GET IT YOUR DAMNED SELF!!

This topic was created in the Virgo forum by VIRGOEXALTED on Tuesday, October 3, 2006 and has 23 replies.
This is an angry board about/for Virgos, and people who just plain expect more of themselves than just 'service'....I hate that!! People saying we are the servants, and the lowlys....bs, I don't buy into it at all.....that isn't the FULL EFFECT that I give off, or want....When I think of 'service' I think of 'slavery' and the loss of will in oneself....digusting to even ponder; no one, NO ONE can be made a servant, becuase you cannot possess their will, and their desire; so shouldn't virgo be about hidden desires, hidden passions, feelings and the expression of the depth of those feelings? The stock piling of power/potential? I am a freedom-loving soul, and don't SERVE, I offer, I give, I am generous, but I don't serve IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT TO TRANSPIRE; also, I hate doing day-to-day living and things; just too mundane for me......I need time to think, imagine, freedom really!! If virgo is about the discovery of self-autonomy, and the expression of will, then depending HOW one directs that will is the most important thing; couldn't one just CHOOSE to be a servant of some type, and just COINCIDENTALLY be Virgo?! Isn't there more to the sign than this?! the sign of Virgo itself seems to be the one more than Scorpio whom is unfairly judged; I feel as though I've been repeating myself, and not getting enough thought from my peers in relation to the subject....I for one, will not suffer for anyone, and lay down for anyone but a loved one; When I hear the word servant, I think of a person bound by something and lacking the will/power or both to break themselves of it; that sounds contradicting to virgo in the WHOLE if you ask me....what I'm saying is we really deserve our time to shine, and I wander why we didn't get it.....it seems very biased to me, and I don't like it! Everyone deserves their shot, their fair share and it's about time somebody stood up for it!
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Alot of thingz that 'would appear virgoan' aren't present in my expression or 'will'; my will is one of the freedom loving, exuberant, broad minded, humane type; yet all I hear is virgo is the 'other way around' granted, yes I have a lot of exaltations in my chart, but then what's to say that Virgo isn't fiery, or watery, or windy, or something other than what is stated about it? I mean the zodiac that most of us have come to know is based off the positions of the stars almost (I think) a half millenium ago, and the human nature is muteable in the whole anyway; that trancends any defintion of any ONE sign to categorize the human nature; it limits, and splits the possibilities of 'other optimal approaches', becuase you don't seek the truth for yourself. I may show a side to one person, that the other might not get which is only situational, and not consistent; what is consistency then anyway if the human nature is based on these situational responses, and happenings? I am one way to one but not to the other....this seems to be a science of not truth, but popularity.....I think I've had enough of high school politics....Winking
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sure, I'm stubborn, but that's partly becuase I believe in my point of view, and am in no way modest about it....this sign I read is about the 'expression of christ consciousness' it is also refered to as the 'hidden light of god' so, why must we be only modest mouseys, if we have such a noble, honest, and dignifed job to do?; yes, I admit my actions are sometimes founded on reality, but this is only becuase I see the big picture, rather than getting locked up in emotions; you must be able to see farther down the road, than just your short-temper anger; for example, If I were to fight someone at 18 years old, chances are if the damage is severe enough, I could 1, kill them, get thrown in the pokie for mad yearz, or get a bookoo fine!!! That isn't worth fighting somebody for just becuase they said something I didn't like; someone whom only payed attention to the smaller details couldn't see that, and would be easily taken in by those little things such as 'he said, she said', where as I have made sense of the situation in a whole, leaving you feeling like an ass becuase you thought this fight would aid you somehow....I see into depths FAAAAR beyond even your consciousness, and can plot my methods from there; Virgo I've read is the 'combination of the spirit, and the body, the syntheisis of the mind, soul, and the physical realms of contact, and life' she is about the cultivation of the soul in it's most spiritually real way; in the TRUE way.....why were labeled so injustly (which pisses me off merc. in Libra)is beyond my understanding, hell I could even make a few guess, but I think that it's time for an up-to-date astrological report, not a played out, rendition of old world philosophies......time for a change!
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becuase we have the ability to see potential problems/possibilites farther down the road, we can see the avenues to take, and avoid, and make possibilites available for ourselves or others; some people say we are 'critical' becuase we see the big picture; THE TRUTH; we pick on people becuase they say we are obsessed with order, no, we want the big picture the expression of the TRUTH; for example I may tell my mother the brutal truth about a dress she is wearing becuase she runs the risk of not looking good, and being made fun of....this is taking a realistic/tasteful/tactful approach and letting her know 'a head of time' that a problem exists, or something 'may jump off'. The truth is usually not something people like, which is why I now know why Virgos are considered the 'eternal loners' of the zodiac.....they don't pull punches for the sake of tact, and feelings, becuase overall, these things matter, but cannot change the truth/reality that exists, or can; we have a certain idealism as well becuase we can see the potential avenues that a venture can take us down, especially with a discriminating virgo....why do I need to 'feel' everything, when the answer is as plain as day, and right in front of me? All I have to do is brave my own insecurites, and fears to actually SEE it...
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seeing things realistically, and taking acutal, logical acessments is a sure fire way to MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR YOURSELF, AND OTHERS; it's a very important source of advice for anyone in a high-powered postion.....being able to almost 'see' a problem or possibility if this 'intuitive' power is developed/evoleved within the Virgo will help them seize anything the may want.....the big picture is gain control over yourself, and your abilities, and you'll be one step closer to perfection......
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I think I am reserved becuase I usually know what gifts i've inside of myself, and I wait for the day others can see me in my total form.....why the crying need for others to approve this, or an need to dominate/control them? I know my limits, my powers, my abilities.....I am at home within myself; there is no internal wars, or struggles within the Virgoan mind....my soul and body have become one within themselves, and in turn love is born within......and without to share with another....
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"what I'm saying is we really deserve our time to shine, and I wander why we didn't get it.....it seems very biased to me, and I don't like it! Everyone deserves their shot, their fair share and it's about time somebody stood up for it!" Isn't Adam Sandler a Virgo? He's out there "shinning" all the time Winking love his humour too!
"time for a change!"
Enjoyed reading your post VE....my only words of wisdom for you would be, "Be the change you want to see happen."
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wow....that's like incredible.....That's the way I feel; however, one virgo, or two, can't be enough....there has to be a change, and I'd like to lead it.....I guess I think no one could do it better than me....I'm such a perfectionist.....Winking lol

(scrubs dishes untill the speck of imaginary lint is gone, and the world stops spinning because of the inhaled chemicals) lol Winking
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"for example I may tell my mother the brutal truth about a dress she is wearing becuase she runs the risk of not looking good, and being made fun of....this is taking a realistic/tasteful/tactful approach and letting her know 'a head of time' that a problem exists, or something 'may jump off'. The truth is usually not something people like, which is why I now know why Virgos are considered the 'eternal loners' of the zodiac...."
When you tell your mother the truth about a dress which is only your opinion, has she asked for your thoughts or do you just give it to her? This is the difference why some view Virgos as critical...when you offer your opinion without someone asking for it. It is usually better to offer your creative thoughts when asked.
Me being an Aries...I will wear whatever I choose and I don't really care what anyone thinks of my choice of clothing - if I am happy in my clothes that is all that matters. I am sure the Virgo would be thinking he is trying to save me from being embarrased but I do not embarrass easily so this type of thing would not effect me. I think that Virgos are maybe more sensitive in that area? I don't really know - just asking.
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Honestly, you pave your own path. I would also refuse to see it any other way, but...maybe the way virgos see things, the only beneficial way is to give. Servant, like I've been saying, I think is used very loosely. I think what they mean is that giving is the true way of happiness. To see others happy is what TRULY makes you happy. Just shooting something out there for u virgos.
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VE - it only takes ONE to begin. Don't limit yourself. Ever watch a drop of water hit the pond and see how it causes all the ripples? It took ONLY ONE DROP - that drop is you!
Begin what you came here to do - make those changes Mr.! I'm rootin' for ya big time smile
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Virgos aren't the ones doing menial things in my experience. Almost every Virgo I know has some sort of leadership position in either their work or with friends. Virgos are more like the description of Saggitarians, as they seem fiery and bold dreamers. Saggitarians are more like the traditional "Virgo" description. They're young at heart and always doing menial jobs because they drink their youth away.
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"When you tell your mother the truth about a dress which is only your opinion, has she asked for your thoughts or do you just give it to her? This is the difference why some view Virgos as critical...when you offer your opinion without someone asking for it. It is usually better to offer your creative thoughts when asked.
Me being an Aries...I will wear whatever I choose and I don't really care what anyone thinks of my choice of clothing - if I am happy in my clothes that is all that matters. I am sure the Virgo would be thinking he is trying to save me from being embarrased but I do not embarrass easily so this type of thing would not effect me. I think that Virgos are maybe more sensitive in that area?"

Freebird,
That was a KEY point that you made. One person's "truth" is often just their opinion. And shoving it down others' throat unsolicited will often just annoy people.
There is no one more irritating that a person who is "convinced" that they are "saving you" with their (own personal interpretation of) the TRUTH. There is no such thing as a human being who holds the key to absolute truth. We all see the world through opinion-colored glasses.
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Absolutely CancerLA!
"One person's "truth" is often just their opinion. And shoving it down others' throat unsolicited will often just annoy people." I believe that when this happens, people are often wanting to help but what is actually happening is their insecurity is being projected - it is how they would be feeling if in that situation.
We are only human and mistakes we will and need to make - whoever thought we came here in perfect condition? and then again, we are perfect for who we are in each moment. Perhaps what we need is understanding that everyone is "different" and they are only walking to the beat of their own drummer Winking Now, they become - "intersting" smile
"We all see the world through opinion-colored glasses." Point well taken CancerLA Winking
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"I believe that when this happens, people are often wanting to help but what is actually happening is their insecurity is being projected - it is how they would be feeling if in that situation."
This would especially the "true" (lol) in the case of virgos----but not because they are insecure----nothing could be further from the "truth". What they DO tend to be, however, is worriers. And many of them complaints and criticisms are really just them projecting their worries ON TO another person. They feel that they're just getting "the truth" off their chest or "venting" while the other person feels vomited on, because they neither asked what was said nor do they necessarily feel the exact same way about it.
Lol....both my mother and ex will do this: They'll be all worried about some situation. I will be aware of the potential problems and therefore, concerned; however, staying cool is the way that I tend to handle difficult situations because it allows me to think more clearly and execute the proper plan of action more effectively. My virgo will share their "truth" (read: THEIR worries), vomit all over me with every nitpicky thing they see wrong (as if they are the only ones that see it)...then after they're done they feel, well GREAT! And why now, they've just "given it to you straight"...."communicated the 'truth'" (and as long as its "true" then ANY crass delivery is justified, right? Because MY truth is absolute, right?)...."SAVED you".
Meanwhile, My cool has just been interrupted and flustered with their bitchiness...and now I have to separate from them or ignore them to bring myself down to even keel so I can actually think and DEAL with the problem rather than just complain about it.
Gotta luv' em...but I can't stand it when they do that.
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Free, If you're asking can we take the 'I don't need your advice I'm fine on my own' line, yeah, I do take it just fine; I'd actually prefer to give my advice when asked; I am opinionated, but I don't just shoot my mouth off for any one reason at all; usually I'm ok with everyone doing what they want, becuase I respect people and their opinions, and I don't intrude at all; normally it's the UNSAID things that people want to know of me; for instance, when I don't speak with my friends, or family they grow interested in what I think on subjects; I don't just jump in all blunt and tactless, I give the truth out of slight preference, BUT ONLY IF I'M ASKED!! smile But the inferiority not at all, mr. nice you've once again astounded me with your fanctastic-dead-on Libran analysis lol Allow a Virgo/Gemini to do the analysis o.k.? The one thing about being a virgo is we usually have the ability to reflect in on ourselves, and see the truth; most run away from it, while we accept it and change; mr. nice are you taking a interest in me? lol I've gotta say not intrested, or impressed in the least; I don't TRY to be better than anyone, and just becuase you feel the need to play modest mouse, when instead you proabably lack the strength of character/conviction to play center-stage is your fault/decision; I am not a Libran, and therefore cannot tell you to what to do, but I do ACCEPT/RESPECT that you have your opinion, even if I don't agree with it;some people just generally have more crowd/fan appeal; don't criticize me for that.....I don't think that 'fair' and is that not what librans are about? Fairplay, and justice? Also, I feel you are trying to psychoanalyze me; why the interest in VE? Do you find my personality interesting, and wide-ranged?
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I don't do a balancing act for people to like me; they either do or don't; take it or leave it; I've found out even further when you try (through my Libran bro) to impress people, you're basically denying yourself, and lying to the core of your being by jazzing yourself up to be someone that is illusory, and bound to earn you disrespect, and disregard; stand up, have some back bone, and show the world where you stand; they're counting on you becuase that one individual can make all that difference; I've had no trouble getting friends, and keeping them, but it's the constant need of them needing me that drives me up a wall!! lol but they're my friends; what cha gonna do?! my buisness is not in the interest of people liking me, and having my world crushed becuase they don't; not my sphere of involvement mr. nice, as my sign is the development of the relationship between oneselve(s) the soul, and the body....and yet you say I have an inferiority complex? lol, please do yourself a favor and lay of the late-night Adler; I find it hard to take advice from someone who makes such blatantly obvious off-base asumptions, becuase they don't see what truly 'exists' that is the truth. Some of what you said is valid; just not the big picture mr. nice. some people say I am tactless, becuase I convey the truth so clearly, that it SEEMS as if I disregard their feelings; on the contrary, I love that person so much that I want to open their eyes, and show them what is TRULY there so they may evolve, and gain the strength of character to fight it off, and grow stronger still.....it is out of love we behave this way......I know most don't see it that way, which is why they are critical of us, but they can't EMPATHIZE with us the way we do them, and so, we, the VIRGOS, are lonely......that is the story for this one.
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The ONLY friend I'd say makes me feel less lonely is my Aquarian friend; he knows who he is; I feel more alive when I talk to him, and life isn't such a blur, and it slows down; he's one of my good friends that I'd say really gets me, becuase he UNDERSTANDS, AND DOES NOT JUDGE; and if you mr. nice prefer quantity to quality; I'd have to say your're a fool who has no buisness offering his opinion, becuase you obviously lack a depth, and understanding to go to the depths of something, and understand it at it's core, and see it totally.....now, I think I understand Scorpios alittle better BigD.....
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I suppose mr. nice, you're one of the people who does not understand.....merely claiming to....also, your preference to quantity to quality is based of the gender of your sign; mine is feminine, meaning I'd prefer a few close REAL friends, not a slew of frauds, and groupies posing to be friends; I want to go to sleep at night knowing that I don't have to watch my back for the friend that will stab me as I turn it; got enough of that in the world already don't you agree? There's just so much I clearly understand through discernment what is important, and what is not; why focus on things that aren't and are only trivial? That is a TRUE virgoan who understands the HIGHEST form of their gift, and the possibilites it may bring.
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did you skip over my post? I said I want real friends, not a slew of people I can't place my trust in; but, the only way to get/gain trust is with time, and going out on a limb, I COULD go clubbing with them, if I by I met them there, but I don't just TRUST anyone over a couple of drinks; that's foolish, and that is something uncharacteristic of me; I never accused water signs in the WHOLE to be liars, and now your just spewing your guilt over other people....why? The only thought that matters is your own, even though others are entitled to their opinion, you must DISCERN between what is your truth, and theirs, I mean YOU seem to just project onto others what you find unacceptable in yourself; I found this out as you just gave it away in your lecture; also understand mr. nice, I don't believe in hollow victories, so I help as many people as I can, in hopes that I bring a little light into their life, and in doing so, I bring light into my own; I suppose it's a concept that perhaps a water sign such as yourself fails in or simply lacks; If by you mean I have conviction by your saying "you think too highly of yourself" than yes, it's true; I believe in myself enough to know that I am all I need to atempt to change this world; that I can say with no ego, since it seems to threaten yours. I too, also helped people mr.nice, I didn't want to say this, but my best friend was suicidal, and I talked with him, and risked my own life to wrestle the blade from him....It was terrible, I couldn't believe he would do that, but I understood that hurt inside him, and I wanted to heal it; I have realatives that have problems with drug addiction, and people I know that I help; i've had to fight for them in every sense of the word, and I care for them even when they give up on themselves; I want to change the world, and you tell me I think to highly of myself? then accuse me of not taking action!! lol na, I just think I'm expansive mr. nice....lol, how can you expect to give advice if you don't take it? perhaps you just aren't as willing to grow/understand as yours truly, and that is a horrible weakness; tell ya what, take two depherol, and see me in the mornin' maybe you'll be in higher spirits then? lol
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I don't think I'm going to play down to you, or condecend to your behavior; you just seem to be a less awakened form of yourself, and probably (just speculation, not analysis) suffer inferior feelings yourself, becuase you seem to 'sink rather than swim' life presents us with oprutunities, and I believe in MAKING opurtunities, not letting them come to me...ya dig? I hope we CAN come to understand each other one day when your not so defensive, and withdrawn; I THOUGHT you wanted to get on with everyone? how can you be true to you words if you don't back them, by following them mr.nice? I may be a teenybopper, but at least I'm no easy-going hypocrite who is ruled by this pervasive need to have people like me; I kinda pity you....sad mr.nice, you presented yourself rather nicely, but delivery-wise, you still got alot of kinks. lol smile

btw, I'm not shoving the advice down your throat, or forcing you to live by it; I am tolerant of your views, and I can even admire them becuase they are different from my own; I think that is actually great really.....you say i'm a teenybopper, but who's really the teeny bopper here? Ask yourself, and tell yourself the TRUTH.
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If bipolarity would get your thong out of a twist so you could get your head out of your ass and see who REALLY is suffering from a 'split personality' then sure....why not mr. nice? If the pill will turn down this mind-numbing, cancer-inducing argument/discussion, sure, sign me up!! lol I mean with a name like 'mr.nice' and the emotional outbursts one could only do everything in their power not to subject you to speculation, and the classic 'dr, jekyll, and mr. hyde' phenomena what with being 'mr.nice' and stating my so-called inferiority lol; also, don't lie, I know you aren't exactly smitten with my ways, and I know you have your moments of anger; rather than lying about it, beat it, tame it, and finally, own it. I also am just that genuinely humanitarian; just becuase it is outside your emotional range of understanding doesn't mean it isn't truth; you haven't learned to see beyond your own feelings into the truth....I just can't get past the fact that you call me inferior, yet you only blast your emotional outbursts time and time again to simply call me 'stupid' lol mr.nice this is really a low moment for you, I suggest you tend to your own fish, becuase they are starting to stink up the board....lol I have a moon in cancer, and a pluto in scorpio; trust, I know all about emotions; I've just tried to get a lid over my own long enough to actually hear the truth of another.

btw, I am a male; my sign is female dude.
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Just my 2 cents:
I think we should all be in service to one another within our individual capacities.
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