I've had it with this virgo?

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I've had it with this virgo. He called and we planned to hang out. When it was time to hang out, he was no where to be found. This is so weird and rude. So I'm going to block his number, break contact, and move on.

Question: Are Capricorns naturally drawn to Virgo?


I posted this earlier(just to give you all a background)
I met a virgo man a month ago. He started off texting me everyday. Calling pretty regularly. We've hung out several times. All of sudden, he does not text as much, take forever to return my text messages. I asked if he wanted to go this weekend. He said that he was busy and would not go into what he had to do.

Another thing, he seems like he has a low self esteem. He told me that he knows that he is ugly. I do not think he is. He is always downing himself.


Despite all of this, I will feel drawn to this guy. We've never been initimate or anything.

Please help me understand this virgo guy.
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Yes caps and virgos are drawn to one another but let's stay focused on the reality of things, he blew you off, stood you up, he's an assclown, I would not discourage you from moving on, I mentioned earlier that he is insecure and usually being insecure comes with a slew of problems such as what your dealing with. If you stay with a man that behaves this way you are enabling him to mistreat you, the moment a woman doesn't take action when a man is being ambivalent it's like a sign that says hi I'm desperate, I will enable you when you stand me up, don't call, don't text, I will sit here and deal with it, try to make it work despite your assclownery.

You TEACH him how to treat you and if you accept his behavior then you are telling him you are desperate enough to stick around and deal with his BS and it only gets worse. I'm sure you know your much more worthy than being stood up, unless he's in the hospital in a coma there is no excuse for him to stand you up....chalk it up to he's not that into you and keep it moving....

Being patient is when you have a man that has BOTH feet in the relationship then yes be patient because he's dependable, he's there for you, he's following through with dates, he's calling and texting in a timely manner, the stages of the relationship is progressing slowly but progressing yet to be patient with a man that is this ambivalent is ridiculous, I know your not that desperate.
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You can stay but don't be suprised if your anxious all the time, if your self esteem seems to plummet and your not very happy and that for me is enough for me to step off and focus elsewhere. Women need to feel good about themselves and I don't know how a woman can feel good about herself when a man is behaving ambivalent towards her, it makes her feel as though she can't do a real relationship, her self esteem takes a direct hit when she's not around men that actively pursue her, cherish her and make her feel desirable....Go with how he makes you feel, if how he behaves makes you feel bad, anxious inside then that is a sign to move on.

Whether he's not in a good place due to his own insecurities or chasing ass or just not that into you or all of the above don't sit around analyzing this clown, he will be back but don't make it that easy for him to get back in. Don't be easy, make him KNOW that there are consequences for his actions or he will blow cold again and again because he can and because there are no consequences for his behavior.

What works/ed for me is immediately telling a man I don't take men seriously that are in and out of my life, usually the guy would leave me alone or man up...It doesn't take a lot to get him to understand if a woman know how to effectively reach his mind without drama or talking too much, lesser words the better.
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As always, I completely agree with tiki33. Virgo78, this is not just a VIRGO thing. It is a man thang. No, I take that back. It's human nature. If you allow someone to take advantage of you, more than likely, they will. Not to say you are going to continue with him and I hate to tell peope that they should discontinue a relationship with someone. But I will tell you what I would do...what I have done in this type of situatuon. I walked away completely and never looked back.

One more thing. If he does come back with his tail betwen his legs, you might have a difficult time trusting what he says. It is almost as if he has a set a tone for mistrust. This is also what I have exprienced and it never works out.

I wish you the best of luck. Please remember that you are worth a man's respect and love.
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Sagi, I said that I take that back. I think it is human nature. I think people innately take advantage of others if given the opportunity. Of course, not all people but enough. Not necessarily maliciously or even consciously. I also say this because I have had men and women from various astrological signs attempt to taker advantage of me in different ways. Surely, Virgo's are not the only people who are guilty of having a tendency of taking advantage of others or pushing away from their significant other.
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Posted by sagigoat
i disagree that it's a man thing. it is a virgo thing.

and yes capricorns can be drawn to virgos but once you know what you are dealing with you can block it for good and then you won't give a damn as a capricorn cuz once a respect is lost it's forever gone.




He probably got a lot of Sags on his chart. LOL

You know those Sags and Planning, don't mix very well. 😄
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Posted by virgo78
I've had it with this virgo. He called and we planned to hang out. When it was time to hang out, he was no where to be found. This is so weird and rude. So I'm going to block his number, break contact, and move on.

Question: Are Capricorns naturally drawn to Virgo?


I posted this earlier(just to give you all a background)
I met a virgo man a month ago. He started off texting me everyday. Calling pretty regularly. We've hung out several times. All of sudden, he does not text as much, take forever to return my text messages. I asked if he wanted to go this weekend. He said that he was busy and would not go into what he had to do.

Another thing, he seems like he has a low self esteem. He told me that he knows that he is ugly. I do not think he is. He is always downing himself.


Despite all of this, I will feel drawn to this guy. We've never been initimate or anything.

Please help me understand this virgo guy.




Oh dear ... okay. I will say that I've experienced this before with a virgo(s) and trust me, its not a good feeling. But you know whats funny, when I started doing the same exact thing -- it never fails -- it was turned around to make it look like I was the bad person :O Like I'm so mean and that I'm trying to 'manipulate', I'm like, are you serious? So I've decided to get alive after after they become M.I.A. and I'm wrong for that? Whatever, I'm a capricorn, we don't like waiting around 😉

I will yes, virgos are and capricorns are drawn to each -- especially around this turn of the century. The only time theres any conflict at the beginning is if each other sees the others' bad side early -- neither one would approve of the others darker side. However, if the darker side is shown after the relationship has developed, then the reaction is not so bad and more then likely things can be resolved.

You guy is acting like the typical virgo who has too much going on in his life but he still wants to hold on to you for whatever reason.
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wtf?



You start a thread saying you've had it, you then start off by saying your are finished with him ...... and then expend tons of energy and emotions making expression about how much you fucking want him, and are trying to figure out how to understand him.




People, especially women ... are so fucked up ..... you want to be unhappy ... for if you truly were finished with him, you wouldn't even care to have a care about thinking about him a moment longer, much less start a thread to honor how much you're thinking about him.
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Posted by sagigoat
natural, it's not human nature. ppl with a good level of emotional intelligent and not self-absorb wouldn't have such a problem.


it of course can happen to any sign howevr it is a dominant trait in virgos. search through dxp infact the internet or real life you should see.




virgo78, i have seen when a cap with more fire influences may work better with a virgo or when a cap is playing the field the roles will be reversed.




Sagigoat is sooooooooooooooooooooooo right. When this one virgo guy thought I was screwing around with someone else, everything changed.
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Posted by sagigoat
"You guy is acting like the typical virgo who has too much going on in his life but he still wants to hold on to you for whatever reason."

that reason is called - concerned only witth onself == excessively self-involved == selfish / unawared == self-absorbed



Oh yeah, very, very, very self-absorbed as far as I'm concerned. I'm dealing with a guy with a saggie moon and I'm issuing out a few tricks on this fellow 😉

I don't want anything serious right now -- I did in the beginning but he's far too sketchy at the moment. so thats why its fun 😛 I can't stand being blew off just because you have no idea what you're doing. Its just UGH! lol
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Posted by natural25
"that reason is called - concerned only witth onself == excessively self-involved == selfish / unawared == self-absorbed"

Hmm... So, are you suggesting that only Virgos possess this trait? Virgos might be more notorious for this behavior, but it surely exists within other astrological signs. Unfortunately, I am speaking from first hand experience.




Nope, she's just suggesting that virgos are more notorious for it.
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Posted by hikoro

I think it is maturity thing.

But....a virgo man is already insecure. Add to that more insecurity due to perceived ugliness and you may end up with a very insecure virgo.

Insecurity is not always grounds for sympathy however.
Our flaw as women is that when we encounter insecure men, we want to mother and make them feel better. We think, "oh...poor thing". But insecure people do not necessarily have good intentions.

You can have the insecure man who is shy, lacks confidence but he is still a good man.
Or the insecure man who is so insecure of himself that he brags about his sexual activities and sleeps around as a way to compensate for his insecurities. Overall, his insecurity encourages compensatory behaviors such as arrogance, aggression, or rudeness.

Virgo78

I truly don't know what I would do if I were in your position. My virgo has never done the push-pull thing. But, as I had mentioned, some virgos may do it for different reasons, both positive and negative.
You know your situation better than any of us.



I agree, virgos try to project such a strong, steel-like exterior but in reality its not the way it is. It takes a virgo who is in touch with themselves to know this and admit this.

I rememeber saying once that a virgo is about as good as whoever they are with -- whether it be one-partner or mulitple partners.
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Posted by P-Angel
wtf?



You start a thread saying you've had it, you then start off by saying your are finished with him ...... and then expend tons of energy and emotions making expression about how much you fucking want him, and are trying to figure out how to understand him.



Capricorn women change their minds more than cancer women P-Angel. Thats just the way the astro ball bounces ^_^. Yeah, of course she couldn't stand him yesterday but she feels different today lol
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Posted by sagigoat
yes natural sweetie said it for me. there are virgo men out there who have none of this trait also i knew one well in person. but then i knew another 4 or 5 in real life who had/have this very trait to various degrees.


of course we all need to look at individuals it is just this is an astrology board and this is the virgo board lol 😉.




lol, exactly -- we are looking at things from an astrology point-of-view ^_^.

You know, it kills me when people are like, 'why are you making this a sign issue? This is more of a man/woman issue .. people need to stop looking at signs for answers.' and all that jazz lol.

I think to myself, "This is an astrology board dumbass" LOL!!! Its like, what do they expect, I'm like DUH of course we are going to use signs as a way to explain someone's behavior, its an astrology, DUH yeah hahaha.
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Posted by P-Angel
Well, then ... that makes it the woman who is the actual pusher and puller if she's had it one day, and is all lovely the next.




Women think it's the men, but, here we find out it's actually the woman .... however, she is "saying" it's the man, while her "actions" are proving it's her.




...... hmmmm, no -- I don't agree. True, in some cases its the woman's fault but I'm not sure about this one. If he would use common sense and not try to lead her on while still dealing with whatever he's dealing with, then she wouldn't have to go on this emotional rollercoaster. Its not a fun place to be and she didn't get their by herself.
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...... hmmmm, no -- I don't agree. True, in some cases its the woman's fault but I'm not sure about this one. If he would use common sense and not try to lead her on while still dealing with whatever he's dealing with, then she wouldn't have to go on this emotional rollercoaster. Its not a fun place to be and she didn't get their by herself.

right on hello hallelujah amen (:
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"I think to myself, "This is an astrology board donkey" LOL!!! Its like, what do they expect, I'm like DUH of course we are going to use signs as a way to explain someone's behavior, its an astrology, DUH yeah hahaha."

I am simply contributing another exaplnation for his behavior. Providing a different perspective. Of course, i know this is the "Virgo board". Just providing an additonal componet to the conversation and hopefully providing Virgo78 with some some comforting words.
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Who cares about fucking history?

Well, obviously you all do because you continue to barf it back up to keep swallowing, to only throw it back up again ... why women are so fucked up like that, I've no clue.




In the here and now .......... look at all this emotional outpouring that's going on .. over what?



A man she said she was done with.



Done, my ass ..... she's still here with him .. what do you think the suject of this thread is .. the weather?
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Posted by P-Angel
wtf?



You start a thread saying you've had it, you then start off by saying your are finished with him ...... and then expend tons of energy and emotions making expression about how much you fucking want him, and are trying to figure out how to understand him.



Capricorn women change their minds more than cancer women P-Angel. Thats just the way the astro ball bounces ^_^. Yeah, of course she couldn't stand him yesterday but she feels different today lol
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That's not the man pushing and pulling NOW ... it's the fucking woman.


Who fucking cares what he did in the past, if he's history?

Oh, but, that is an awareness that flies above your empty head.


She is still there with him, eventhough she KNOWS he's a dickhead ... because that was yesterday that she thought so, today she wants to feel differently about him.


That's NOT HIM .... that's HER who is fucked up.
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I agree with P-Angel. If she has moved on, did not care, or was attempting to be done with it..the thread probably would not have been created. I am not saying that it is not hard to let go and be done with it. But the thread shows that Virgo78 is still somewhat still in fact there. It's hard to let go. But when we (women) TRULY do not let go, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Like my teenage cousin says, "game recognizes game". If we know what the guy is up to and his intent and we stick around emotional, spiritualy, phyisically or any combination of the 3....we are putting ourselves in the situation at that point.

I have been there down that. Wrote a book and bought a t-shirt on it. Hahaha!
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She's back and forth but there is a REASON for her behavior, clearly if this man was consistent with her there would be no reason for her to post here

Unfortunately this in and out, silent treatment, forgetful kind of behavior is what ambivalent people do, they force women/men into these dumb ass toxic positions because of his or her lack of inaction and commitment. most women are learned into believing that they should stick around, fix things, understand things before she lets a man go for good, not every woman is a hard ass like me lol and I wasn't always a hard ass, I have messed with enough ambivalent men to know there emotional language.

She's stuck trying to figure out her next move because what if it's the wrong move but realistically that is the exact attitude that he needs her to have so he can slip his way back in and out of her life so easily, clearly the right move is to move on because he's clearly not communicating verbally to her that he's done with her so now she's stuck guessing about it, analzying when really she should listen to herself, follow her own instincts but even that can become distorted with ambivalent men....it goes on and on like this if the women don't cut the cord which means she has to be okay with not getting the verbal closure she needs to feel good about her actions, she has to find the confidence in herself to say this isn't what I wanted with this man, this doesn't feel good and because it doesn't feel good I'm done with it and move on....with men like her virgo there is no closure, he's gone now but he will be back again only to maintain the status quo of the relationship.

Clearly the right move would be to move on but that is the dilemma and the hardest thing to do with no closure, all she's left with is some assclown hiding out and ignoring her which can create confusion, distortions, hurt etc etc
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"She's stuck"




Of course she's stuck .. we are all stuck when we don't want to take responsibility.


Please, Tiki, and the rest .... continue enabling her to be stuck. I mean, heaven forbide that she actually realize that she isn't being FORCED to give this man anything, and actually has a choice.


Oh, no .. don't do that .... please talk more about how she's stuck, being a perpetual victim .... please talk more about this being a valid reason for tolerating this behaviour.




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I think the point is that she should probably leave this guy alone, period. Simply because he obviously is not in the postiion or does not want to offer her what SHE WANTS. She is not happy. There is no reason for a person to stay in situation/relationship where they find themselves unhappy. Easier said than done, but she should walk away.

Things we know:
He displayed hot and cold behavior
His behavior has hurt her on numerous occasions
His behavior might have contributed to her pulling away
She is not happy
She is not receiving the lelvel of commitment that she wants from him
She stated that she is done with him but more than likely is still holding on a bit
If he wanted to be in a relationship with her he would not be playing games with her

Conclusion:
We are too old for games and men who do not know what they want, who consequently want to drag women through the mud while they are trying to figure it out. She needs to drop his ass like it's hot and find someone who will adore, appreciate and love her.
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I think women (I am SOOOO guilty of this) make things overly complicated. Male Virgos on this forum will tell us time again; we are making it harder than it has to be. I am beginning to realize that Virgo men are easy to understand. They have no hidden agendas, unless they are just assholes. In which case, they need to be tossed to the curb anyway. The mature responsible Virgo men will court the woman who they are interested in. If they find a woman who they want a relationship with, they will not play all these silly games of not having the decency to return phone calls and texts, etc. He will WANT to talk to the woman. He will WANT to spend time with her. Simple as that. There might be variety of reasons as to why he is not interested. But it all comes down to ONE thing in the end. Once it has all been said and done. He does not want to be in a relationship! Period! We bog ourselves down with the who, what, when and whys which only makes it HARDER for us to move on. We analyze, dissect and diagnose a man to death, when at the end of the day the outcome is still be the same..he is not interested. Meanwhile we are either consciously or unconsciously breathing life into something that either has died or never really had life to begin with. Wasting time and energy. When a man wants you, eventually you will know it.

Let me just say, that I am being the biggest hypocrite ever! Lol. I analyze way more than i should. But at least I realize it. Lol. I need to go to AAA meetings for it. Hahaha!
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Posted by natural25
"I think to myself, "This is an astrology board donkey" LOL!!! Its like, what do they expect, I'm like DUH of course we are going to use signs as a way to explain someone's behavior, its an astrology, DUH yeah hahaha."

I am simply contributing another exaplnation for his behavior. Providing a different perspective. Of course, i know this is the "Virgo board". Just providing an additonal componet to the conversation and hopefully providing Virgo78 with some some comforting words.




OH NO!!!! natural ^_^. I totally wasn't talking about you. I know what you were doing LOL!!!

Nope, what I wrote had nothing to do with you, your explanation had nothing to do it I promise 🙂
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