Liars? Throw me a bone.
This topic was created in the Virgo forum by crudemood on Friday, December 1, 2006 and has 20 replies.
So you might know I had this thing with this virgo. I never said it but it was quite obvious I liked her, I think she knew too. I know at the time she was into this other guy although she said to me "No, I'm not talking to him anymore."
Okay, I believed her.
Lies. All of it. Turns out they still talk and are possibly dating. If there's one thing I hate, I hate being lied to, I'd rathar she be brutally honest than lie to me.
She doesn't know I know. So, I'm thinking should I confront her about why she would hide this from me? Or should I just brush it off and forget about it like it never happened? Any advice on what to do next.
Okay, I believed her.
Lies. All of it. Turns out they still talk and are possibly dating. If there's one thing I hate, I hate being lied to, I'd rathar she be brutally honest than lie to me.
She doesn't know I know. So, I'm thinking should I confront her about why she would hide this from me? Or should I just brush it off and forget about it like it never happened? Any advice on what to do next.
Dear CM,
I don't like being lied to either.
On the other hand, what right did you have to expect the truth from the Virgo lady when a) you were not dating her and b) did not even tell her you fancied her?
It doesn't sound like you guys were the closest of friends! She may have felt the need for privacy re: her feelings for this man. The situation may have not been clear to her, and she did not feel safe revealing her feelings.
This is what I would do....
Have a nice conversation, and at the end mention casually and gently that your feelings were a little hurt when she didn't confide in you. Say that you like her as a friend and you enjoy communicating with her. That will get you what you want, and reframe the whole thing in a positive light.
Good luck!
Eaglegirl
I don't like being lied to either.
On the other hand, what right did you have to expect the truth from the Virgo lady when a) you were not dating her and b) did not even tell her you fancied her?
It doesn't sound like you guys were the closest of friends! She may have felt the need for privacy re: her feelings for this man. The situation may have not been clear to her, and she did not feel safe revealing her feelings.
This is what I would do....
Have a nice conversation, and at the end mention casually and gently that your feelings were a little hurt when she didn't confide in you. Say that you like her as a friend and you enjoy communicating with her. That will get you what you want, and reframe the whole thing in a positive light.
Good luck!
Eaglegirl
Eaglegirl. Thank you for that.
Do you really think that telling her that I liked her that way would have made a difference? I thought she was a better guesser than that.
I guess thats the next step because I'm really running out of ideas on what to do with her. Yeah, I really do need the luck. Thanks again.
Do you really think that telling her that I liked her that way would have made a difference? I thought she was a better guesser than that.
I guess thats the next step because I'm really running out of ideas on what to do with her. Yeah, I really do need the luck. Thanks again.
CM,
I dont know...
It may have made her a bit more sensitive to your feelings...
But that's all in the past...
If you still like her, be her friend. That means thinking of her feelings first.
Noone, especially a Virgo, likes someone to come on too strong! If you make her feel guilty about some mistake she made in the past, she will retreat...
The light touch is always appreciated. "Ya know, I had a bit of a crush on ya way back when," you say, with a smile on your face and a twinkle in your eye. Make sure that *you* feel good about yourself when you're with her...then you can say anything you want.
But don't try to pin her down, or make some final declaration. Enjoy the journey...
Let me ask you this...if your communication is uncertain at this stage, do you really, *really* want this girl?
Becoz a great relationship is all about communication!
Eaglegirl
I dont know...
It may have made her a bit more sensitive to your feelings...
But that's all in the past...
If you still like her, be her friend. That means thinking of her feelings first.
Noone, especially a Virgo, likes someone to come on too strong! If you make her feel guilty about some mistake she made in the past, she will retreat...
The light touch is always appreciated. "Ya know, I had a bit of a crush on ya way back when," you say, with a smile on your face and a twinkle in your eye. Make sure that *you* feel good about yourself when you're with her...then you can say anything you want.
But don't try to pin her down, or make some final declaration. Enjoy the journey...
Let me ask you this...if your communication is uncertain at this stage, do you really, *really* want this girl?
Becoz a great relationship is all about communication!
Eaglegirl
Bad communication? She's the one who came up to me first. She's the one who totally opened herself up to me, told me about her past and life.
I don't know we got along great until I messaged her asking if she liked me. I think thats when it got weird.
Was that too strong? I made the wrong move. They're bad at guessing games, me asking her if she liked me could have meant anything, really.
I am starting to rethink things. Maybe I am wasting my time. A journey you say, that means a long time ahead of us.
I don't know we got along great until I messaged her asking if she liked me. I think thats when it got weird.
Was that too strong? I made the wrong move. They're bad at guessing games, me asking her if she liked me could have meant anything, really.
I am starting to rethink things. Maybe I am wasting my time. A journey you say, that means a long time ahead of us.
Thanks Eaglegirl. Now with some guidance, I know what to do next.
Couldnt have done it without the help. Thanks. We'll see how it goes from here.
Couldnt have done it without the help. Thanks. We'll see how it goes from here.
You know what Dyrst, I think that message did scare her off. How I didnt know virgos were good at guessing games. All this time I thought they couldn't read between the lines. That txt could have meant anything, me being curious as to how she felt? Maybe thats the mistake right there.
Maybe I did push it a bit too fast. I never brought it up again anyway.
Even after that message I sent her, she gave me the long virgo stare, as if I still existed. I wonder what she was thinking.
Now I'm thinking whether I ever had a chance with her to begin with and maybe she was just messing with me. Thats not a very nice virgo..
Ahh shit. My brain is going to explode.
Anyway, Dy I appreciate it.
Maybe I did push it a bit too fast. I never brought it up again anyway.
Even after that message I sent her, she gave me the long virgo stare, as if I still existed. I wonder what she was thinking.
Now I'm thinking whether I ever had a chance with her to begin with and maybe she was just messing with me. Thats not a very nice virgo..
Ahh shit. My brain is going to explode.
Anyway, Dy I appreciate it.
CM - As a Virgo woman I can tell you that I never, never, never, never, NEVER admit that I like someone FIRST! lol I just feel like I'm putting myself too far out there to say that before I know it from the other person first.
As far as your friend saying she was done talking to some guy and you finding out the contrary - I tend to be pretty volatile in my relationships. So you could ask me if I'm talking to someone and the answer at 9am will be different from my answer at 12pm and totally contradictory to the answer you get at 10pm at night. Unless I'm in a very serious, committed relationship, my status could change by the hour depending on our last conversation. lol
Also, your Virgo friend might not be good at reading between the lines, or even if she kind of does, she might feel unsure and not want to assume that she's right about you liking her. I know if someone hadn't told me they liked me first, but asked if I liked them it would have freaked me out(especially if I DID like them
). I'd feel completely vulnerable and probably wouldn't want to answer the question.
I'm sorry you're having a hard time, but maybe if you two are able to discuss things like Eaglegirl suggested and try to let her know how you're feeling things could work themselves out.
As far as your friend saying she was done talking to some guy and you finding out the contrary - I tend to be pretty volatile in my relationships. So you could ask me if I'm talking to someone and the answer at 9am will be different from my answer at 12pm and totally contradictory to the answer you get at 10pm at night. Unless I'm in a very serious, committed relationship, my status could change by the hour depending on our last conversation. lol
Also, your Virgo friend might not be good at reading between the lines, or even if she kind of does, she might feel unsure and not want to assume that she's right about you liking her. I know if someone hadn't told me they liked me first, but asked if I liked them it would have freaked me out(especially if I DID like them
). I'd feel completely vulnerable and probably wouldn't want to answer the question.I'm sorry you're having a hard time, but maybe if you two are able to discuss things like Eaglegirl suggested and try to let her know how you're feeling things could work themselves out.
You're definately right roxi, they are scared about feelings. She's always changing the subject when I'm talking about how I feel, or how she feels. Its okay though, I understand.
leo/virgo you say: "I'd feel completely vulnerable and probably wouldn't want to answer the question."
Assuming they do like you, they'd completly avoid the question.
She could either spare my feelings or be direct. But they are pretty direct people too, right? She called me the other day, she never does, and I said straight out, "What would you do if I told you I liked you?". The answer was in rejection form but I got it. Weird she still denied having feelings for him because they're all over each other at work. Mind games I tell you.
What does it take to scare a virgo off? Must have been something I did, or she wanted to play with me. My bets on she wanted to play with me.
Don't actually know why she stared at me that time though. I hate her.
I'm going to try to forget this whole ordeal happened and put it behind me. We did have a dicussion and turns out she's not interested in me. I suppose. If she's playing games, I want to forget about it anyway, she's not worth my time. I'm moving on.
It hurts to but I've been here before and I think I'm going to forget about it. If she changes her mind she knows my number.
All these idea's pop into my head. I've been used, stands out most.
leo/virgo you say: "I'd feel completely vulnerable and probably wouldn't want to answer the question."
Assuming they do like you, they'd completly avoid the question.
She could either spare my feelings or be direct. But they are pretty direct people too, right? She called me the other day, she never does, and I said straight out, "What would you do if I told you I liked you?". The answer was in rejection form but I got it. Weird she still denied having feelings for him because they're all over each other at work. Mind games I tell you.
What does it take to scare a virgo off? Must have been something I did, or she wanted to play with me. My bets on she wanted to play with me.
Don't actually know why she stared at me that time though. I hate her.
I'm going to try to forget this whole ordeal happened and put it behind me. We did have a dicussion and turns out she's not interested in me. I suppose. If she's playing games, I want to forget about it anyway, she's not worth my time. I'm moving on.
It hurts to but I've been here before and I think I'm going to forget about it. If she changes her mind she knows my number.
All these idea's pop into my head. I've been used, stands out most.
CM: I don't know how old the Virgo girl is that you like, but I'd have to agree that she's probably immature.
That OR you two are just misreading each other.
I know I've been accused of "playing games" because I was capable of being friendly and even affectionate with someone **without** having any romantic feelings. Sometimes a guy will take it as me being interested in them on a romantic or sexual level when I was just being friendly. And I'm NOT a flirt or good at flirting AT ALL. I don't bat my eyelashes or go into sexual innuendo or anything like that, just friendly interested conversation with genuine concern and care for the other person.
I've had to pull away from many "friendships" that I thought were being established because a guy took my kindness the wrong way and then got mad about it. I still don't understand that because even if I'm single, it doesn't mean I want to date everyone I talk to. And to be honest, I don't understand why you "hate her" just because she stared at you? I know I stare at people all the time. I like to look at people. Period. I like to see who they are and what they're doing just by observation. I guess if I looked at the wrong guy he would hate me too? lol
And "What would you do ***IF*** I told you I liked you?" might not be seen as straightforward by her. There's a BIG difference between saying that and, "I really like you, why don't we get together some time for coffee/drinks/dinner/etc.?" When I was younger I might have seen what you asked as just a question, not a declaration of "liking".
I've known a few other Virgos and I KNOW that the guys play games. Without a doubt. But I haven't seen too much of the same with the girls. They (I) tend to attract guys that are either brash and outspoken who manage to be direct enough to communicate what they want & get an answer(or scare someone away lol) -or- very sensitive guys who are indirect and as shy to communicate as we (I) can be and there ends up being a lot of misunderstanding and hurt feelings.
I'm hoping that this girl isn't playing games with you, from what I'm reading it *looks to me* like a misunderstanding. But of course I could be wrong.
Hope things get better for you.
That OR you two are just misreading each other.
I know I've been accused of "playing games" because I was capable of being friendly and even affectionate with someone **without** having any romantic feelings. Sometimes a guy will take it as me being interested in them on a romantic or sexual level when I was just being friendly. And I'm NOT a flirt or good at flirting AT ALL. I don't bat my eyelashes or go into sexual innuendo or anything like that, just friendly interested conversation with genuine concern and care for the other person.
I've had to pull away from many "friendships" that I thought were being established because a guy took my kindness the wrong way and then got mad about it. I still don't understand that because even if I'm single, it doesn't mean I want to date everyone I talk to. And to be honest, I don't understand why you "hate her" just because she stared at you? I know I stare at people all the time. I like to look at people. Period. I like to see who they are and what they're doing just by observation. I guess if I looked at the wrong guy he would hate me too? lol
And "What would you do ***IF*** I told you I liked you?" might not be seen as straightforward by her. There's a BIG difference between saying that and, "I really like you, why don't we get together some time for coffee/drinks/dinner/etc.?" When I was younger I might have seen what you asked as just a question, not a declaration of "liking".
I've known a few other Virgos and I KNOW that the guys play games. Without a doubt. But I haven't seen too much of the same with the girls. They (I) tend to attract guys that are either brash and outspoken who manage to be direct enough to communicate what they want & get an answer(or scare someone away lol) -or- very sensitive guys who are indirect and as shy to communicate as we (I) can be and there ends up being a lot of misunderstanding and hurt feelings.
I'm hoping that this girl isn't playing games with you, from what I'm reading it *looks to me* like a misunderstanding. But of course I could be wrong.
Hope things get better for you.
Roxi: I've never lead anyone on while on my own "rollercoaster."
However, I HAVE had to deal with guys who would mistake my being single as an open invitation to be with THEM. Like just because I'm single and we get along I automatically want sex or a relationship with them, but I don't work that way. AND I tell them this. I guess being guys, they think I'm playing "hard to get" or their egos won't let them believe that even though I'm single and available that I **DON'T** want to be WITH THEM.
I don't cheat or overlap my relationships or sexual interactions. Even if I'm going through a "down" time with whoever I'm with, I wait a good amount of time after things are completely ended(usually weeks - months- sometimes years) before beginning any kind of romantic interaction with another person.
I feel like it's a disservice to get involved with another person so soon after a breakup or during a relationship. THAT would be purely "below the waist."
For me a lot of the "mixed signals" and "ruthlessness" that I've been accused of was a result of someone else mistaking my kindness or friendliness as romantic interest. I've never pressed my tits against a guy, kissed and made out with a guy, or engaged in sexual banter with someone that I wasn't interested in in a romantic way. But I DO enjoy conversation and friendship and hanging out with people whose company I value.
We all need to walk around with signs on us saying, "Just because I'm nice to you doesn't mean I want to sleep with you or marry you!"lol
Men AND women of all ages make this mistake and end up hurt when they don't need to be.
However, I HAVE had to deal with guys who would mistake my being single as an open invitation to be with THEM. Like just because I'm single and we get along I automatically want sex or a relationship with them, but I don't work that way. AND I tell them this. I guess being guys, they think I'm playing "hard to get" or their egos won't let them believe that even though I'm single and available that I **DON'T** want to be WITH THEM.
I don't cheat or overlap my relationships or sexual interactions. Even if I'm going through a "down" time with whoever I'm with, I wait a good amount of time after things are completely ended(usually weeks - months- sometimes years) before beginning any kind of romantic interaction with another person.
I feel like it's a disservice to get involved with another person so soon after a breakup or during a relationship. THAT would be purely "below the waist."
For me a lot of the "mixed signals" and "ruthlessness" that I've been accused of was a result of someone else mistaking my kindness or friendliness as romantic interest. I've never pressed my tits against a guy, kissed and made out with a guy, or engaged in sexual banter with someone that I wasn't interested in in a romantic way. But I DO enjoy conversation and friendship and hanging out with people whose company I value.
We all need to walk around with signs on us saying, "Just because I'm nice to you doesn't mean I want to sleep with you or marry you!"lol
Men AND women of all ages make this mistake and end up hurt when they don't need to be.
Ms. Roxi (full of opinions and bereft answers - I like that )
I wasn't trying to be patronising by assuming that someone wouldn't know the difference between being romantically interested or otherwise. It's happened to me SO MANY TIMES that I'm just entirely too aware of how easily it happens.
I don't doubt for a second that you, Ms. Roxi with your Scorpio womanly wiles, has confuddled many a man and left him thinking "maybe things will happen between us" when all you did was smile and say, "Good morning." lol ***YOU*** might not have realised it at the time, but he was already picking out China patterns(or at least sexual positions ) while you went on your merry way, oblivious to what *HE THINKS* just happened.
It's happened to myself as well as many men and women I've known. You smile. Show some kindness and some interest and BOOM! You're supposed to be a couple.
And to be honest, if a guy tells me he's single, I'm going to think he *meant* that he was single. I'm not going to read into it that he meant we should get together for a candlelit dinner and long romantic walks followed by an evening of fun and games in bed. When I tell someone I'm single, I usually just meant that "I'm single." It's NOT an invitation. Even if there IS a connection.
But that's just me.
)I wasn't trying to be patronising by assuming that someone wouldn't know the difference between being romantically interested or otherwise. It's happened to me SO MANY TIMES that I'm just entirely too aware of how easily it happens.
I don't doubt for a second that you, Ms. Roxi with your Scorpio womanly wiles, has confuddled many a man and left him thinking "maybe things will happen between us" when all you did was smile and say, "Good morning." lol ***YOU*** might not have realised it at the time, but he was already picking out China patterns(or at least sexual positions
) while you went on your merry way, oblivious to what *HE THINKS* just happened.It's happened to myself as well as many men and women I've known. You smile. Show some kindness and some interest and BOOM! You're supposed to be a couple.
And to be honest, if a guy tells me he's single, I'm going to think he *meant* that he was single. I'm not going to read into it that he meant we should get together for a candlelit dinner and long romantic walks followed by an evening of fun and games in bed. When I tell someone I'm single, I usually just meant that "I'm single." It's NOT an invitation. Even if there IS a connection.
But that's just me.
YIKES! That **IS** some bullshit Ms. Roxi!
What that guy said was very clear! He was definitely putting his bait out there, no mistaking it. I read your earlier post about what happened at the party. I would not have been as dignified as you were. I would have flung them out or had the ex throw them out, especially in front of the children!!! I would have killed someone!
I think there is a difference between people who are friendly and people who are just blatant assholes.
The Virgo guy you know(knew) was a major asshole for leading you on and then acting that way in YOUR home at YOUR party in front of YOU and YOUR CHILDREN!
I don't know the entire story about what happened between CM and the Virgo girl that he was interested in, but from what he did share, it just sounded like they had some friendly conversations, exchanged some glances, and she was not forthcoming about where she stood with the other guy -or- him. Maybe like virgoangoat she doesn't feel comfortable (or doesn't know how) to let CM down easy if she doesn't feel the same way about him. Maybe she was just being friendly and he took it the wrong way? The only thing I see that she *definitely* did wrong was to not be clear about what is going on with her and the other guy. But then again, maybe *SHE* isn't even clear about what's going on between her and the other guy. I don't really have enough info to know if she was just being friendly and he developed feelings that weren't reciprocated -or- if she's just an asshole.
Personally, I tend to be pretty open with people I feel comfortable with - male or female. I enjoy conversations and personal issues can and do come up, including relationship status. So, to me, it's not a far stretch or a flirting tactic to discuss whether you're single or in a relationship. I mean if you're going to tell your life story, why would you leave out whether or not you're seeing someone at the present time? I don't get that.
But then again, there's a lot that I don't get.
Sleep tight Roxi, Sweet Dreams.
What that guy said was very clear! He was definitely putting his bait out there, no mistaking it. I read your earlier post about what happened at the party. I would not have been as dignified as you were. I would have flung them out or had the ex throw them out, especially in front of the children!!! I would have killed someone!
I think there is a difference between people who are friendly and people who are just blatant assholes.
The Virgo guy you know(knew) was a major asshole for leading you on and then acting that way in YOUR home at YOUR party in front of YOU and YOUR CHILDREN!
I don't know the entire story about what happened between CM and the Virgo girl that he was interested in, but from what he did share, it just sounded like they had some friendly conversations, exchanged some glances, and she was not forthcoming about where she stood with the other guy -or- him. Maybe like virgoangoat she doesn't feel comfortable (or doesn't know how) to let CM down easy if she doesn't feel the same way about him. Maybe she was just being friendly and he took it the wrong way? The only thing I see that she *definitely* did wrong was to not be clear about what is going on with her and the other guy. But then again, maybe *SHE* isn't even clear about what's going on between her and the other guy. I don't really have enough info to know if she was just being friendly and he developed feelings that weren't reciprocated -or- if she's just an asshole.
Personally, I tend to be pretty open with people I feel comfortable with - male or female. I enjoy conversations and personal issues can and do come up, including relationship status. So, to me, it's not a far stretch or a flirting tactic to discuss whether you're single or in a relationship. I mean if you're going to tell your life story, why would you leave out whether or not you're seeing someone at the present time? I don't get that.
But then again, there's a lot that I don't get.
Sleep tight Roxi, Sweet Dreams.
First I'd like to say thank you roxi. We are definately on the same, resent virgo boat.
You're probably right, total waste of time. Roxi, seems like you've been hit by the same virgo tornado as I have. Our situations are more simliar than I thought. You mentioned the whole "as soon as something could happen" they back off and I couldn't agree more. They're afraid of commitment, and go for people who they know won't commit and they're comfortable with that? That's really confusing, really. I know shaka2 had told me to grow a backbone if I wanted to get with a virgo but is it really -I- that needs to grow a backbone?
Does initiating a possible romantic relationship with her by asking her the 'if you like me question', not count as a backbone? I think doing that is pretty brave seeing as I'm putting myself up for rejection and not the virgo.
"they've TOLD you their single and yet they dont mind behaving very much the opposite when you are around.........did they FORGET they told you???"
What is up with that? I know virgos aren't all for being flaky but sometimes I forget that when they start to act as if nothing happened, when you fully had a conversation about it.
leo/virgo, you said "I know I've been accused of "playing games" because I was capable of being friendly and even affectionate with someone **without** having any romantic feelings." -- So where do you draw the line? If thats not playing mind games then I don't know what is. If thats not showing you're interested, then tell me, what is it that virgos do that show interest? Really, I want to know. I asked my virgo the same question and naturally she eased the conversation away from that topic. I didn't push it, though that gets really annoying. Being a libra, I'm totally whipped for my partner or potential partner, so I'll do anything.
virgoangoat you've said " I am an extremely private person. So if I'm dating someone and I'm unsure about the relationship, not everyone needs to know it. That's maybe why the Virgirl hid her dating status from you." -- How private is private? You've said this before and maybe you're right. But does the meaning of privacy mean tell libra about all your past and vent out about this guy and then later deny ever liking him? Thats pretty cold or I was being used to 'solve' her guy problem. I bring it up again and she acts like she never wigged out to me about him before.
You're probably right, total waste of time. Roxi, seems like you've been hit by the same virgo tornado as I have. Our situations are more simliar than I thought. You mentioned the whole "as soon as something could happen" they back off and I couldn't agree more. They're afraid of commitment, and go for people who they know won't commit and they're comfortable with that? That's really confusing, really. I know shaka2 had told me to grow a backbone if I wanted to get with a virgo but is it really -I- that needs to grow a backbone?
Does initiating a possible romantic relationship with her by asking her the 'if you like me question', not count as a backbone? I think doing that is pretty brave seeing as I'm putting myself up for rejection and not the virgo.
"they've TOLD you their single and yet they dont mind behaving very much the opposite when you are around.........did they FORGET they told you???"
What is up with that? I know virgos aren't all for being flaky but sometimes I forget that when they start to act as if nothing happened, when you fully had a conversation about it.
leo/virgo, you said "I know I've been accused of "playing games" because I was capable of being friendly and even affectionate with someone **without** having any romantic feelings." -- So where do you draw the line? If thats not playing mind games then I don't know what is. If thats not showing you're interested, then tell me, what is it that virgos do that show interest? Really, I want to know. I asked my virgo the same question and naturally she eased the conversation away from that topic. I didn't push it, though that gets really annoying. Being a libra, I'm totally whipped for my partner or potential partner, so I'll do anything.
virgoangoat you've said " I am an extremely private person. So if I'm dating someone and I'm unsure about the relationship, not everyone needs to know it. That's maybe why the Virgirl hid her dating status from you." -- How private is private? You've said this before and maybe you're right. But does the meaning of privacy mean tell libra about all your past and vent out about this guy and then later deny ever liking him? Thats pretty cold or I was being used to 'solve' her guy problem. I bring it up again and she acts like she never wigged out to me about him before.
leo, perhaps she was just being friendly, looking back I could see how she was just being friendly and that I just read too much into it. She could be a player she might not.
A few minor details that lead me to believe other wise:
She came all the way home with me once on bus, and once she drove me home then had to take the bus home. So thats two times coming with me knowing she would have to take the bus home alone for an hour and a bit.
She'd asked me once if I wanted to hold her hand, a bit forward, considering it was our first time out together. Perhaps a test.
She had asked me if I liked anybody at work, then went ahead and asked me if I liked her. Perhaps another test.
Last but not least she asked me if I shaved below the belly button. Could have been curiosity.
She's a real friendly virgo.
A few minor details that lead me to believe other wise:
She came all the way home with me once on bus, and once she drove me home then had to take the bus home. So thats two times coming with me knowing she would have to take the bus home alone for an hour and a bit.
She'd asked me once if I wanted to hold her hand, a bit forward, considering it was our first time out together. Perhaps a test.
She had asked me if I liked anybody at work, then went ahead and asked me if I liked her. Perhaps another test.
Last but not least she asked me if I shaved below the belly button. Could have been curiosity.
She's a real friendly virgo.
CM: I'd say that your Virgo friend *did* cross that line. Holding hands and asking about pubes is probably NOT platonic behaviour. She seems flirty and possibly more than a little bit fickle.
As far as my own behaviour: I don't do or discuss anything with my male friends that I wouldn't do or discuss with my female friends or with my brother. That is where I draw the line. I don't consider it mind games to be friendly or show that you care about someone and are interested in knowing them better(not necessarily sexually). All interest is ***NOT*** romantic interest. The last time I thought that way was in high school.
Men and women are capable of being friends. Every discussion or act of kindness is NOT an invitation to romance. Some of the things your friend did, sound exactly like things I have done and would do again - FOR A FRIEND. Yes, I would give them a ride or go out of my way to see them home, especially if we're having a good conversation. I would also help them pick out furniture and clothes, prepare them a meal when they're ill(or just to be nice), accompany them on doctor visits, and many other things just "because." That is the type of person that I am.
If someone misreads it as "mind games" then I would just have to feel sad for them that they haven't had too many friends who would do those things just because they care.
Again, I think we should all wear signs saying, "Just because I'm nice to you does NOT mean I want to sleep with you or marry you" for those people that automatically equate kindness with sexual/romantic interest. It would save a lot of people a lot of pain.
Oh, and how would a guy know that I'm interested in a romantic way? We would discuss it. If he said he liked me then either he or I would suggest getting together for a "date." I would make sure to use that word so that we're clear as to exactly what it is. Not a friendly outing, not just a meal or a movie, a DATE. If I wasn't interested in that person and I wanted to be friends I would tell them that I feel very good about them being a FRIEND and I don't want anything else with them.
MS. Roxi: Good to know those dreams were sweet. It was a blessing that the party was at a venue so that you could continue to enjoy your sweet dreams in your own bed.
That football match sounds like a dream come true! There were times when I would have **PAID** to see some
As far as my own behaviour: I don't do or discuss anything with my male friends that I wouldn't do or discuss with my female friends or with my brother. That is where I draw the line. I don't consider it mind games to be friendly or show that you care about someone and are interested in knowing them better(not necessarily sexually). All interest is ***NOT*** romantic interest. The last time I thought that way was in high school.
Men and women are capable of being friends. Every discussion or act of kindness is NOT an invitation to romance. Some of the things your friend did, sound exactly like things I have done and would do again - FOR A FRIEND. Yes, I would give them a ride or go out of my way to see them home, especially if we're having a good conversation.
I would also help them pick out furniture and clothes, prepare them a meal when they're ill(or just to be nice), accompany them on doctor visits, and many other things just "because." That is the type of person that I am. If someone misreads it as "mind games" then I would just have to feel sad for them that they haven't had too many friends who would do those things just because they care.
Again, I think we should all wear signs saying, "Just because I'm nice to you does NOT mean I want to sleep with you or marry you" for those people that automatically equate kindness with sexual/romantic interest. It would save a lot of people a lot of pain.
Oh, and how would a guy know that I'm interested in a romantic way? We would discuss it. If he said he liked me then either he or I would suggest getting together for a "date." I would make sure to use that word so that we're clear as to exactly what it is. Not a friendly outing, not just a meal or a movie, a DATE. If I wasn't interested in that person and I wanted to be friends I would tell them that I feel very good about them being a FRIEND and I don't want anything else with them.
MS. Roxi: Good to know those dreams were sweet. It was a blessing that the party was at a venue so that you could continue to enjoy your sweet dreams in your own bed.
That football match sounds like a dream come true! There were times when I would have **PAID** to see some
Oops, got cut off.
What I was saying is that there were times when I would have **PAID** to see someone who hurt me get knocked on there azz!!! LOL
What I was saying is that there were times when I would have **PAID** to see someone who hurt me get knocked on there azz!!! LOL
leo that kind of 'I'm just doing what I'm doing, don't read beteween the lines' behaviour can really mess, someone who reads into things alot, up. You guys are supposed to be blunt. I didn't know you all are that bad at playing the old guessing game.
Yes, I realize that she might be immature 22 yr old. I've always seen virgos more mature than me. To think being 2 years older than me would make a difference. I guess not in this case...
Well roxi, I guess thats a virgo thing to do, you know, act as if you don't exist at times. They'll come up with excuses as to why they did it, but I doubt they stop to think they're behaviour can affect other people too. I like how you make the virgos seem like the wrong one's all the time, not that I have a problem with it but it makes me feel less bad, you know about all the things I might have done to her.
Oh roxi, I have much to learn from you.
Yes, I realize that she might be immature 22 yr old. I've always seen virgos more mature than me. To think being 2 years older than me would make a difference. I guess not in this case...
Well roxi, I guess thats a virgo thing to do, you know, act as if you don't exist at times. They'll come up with excuses as to why they did it, but I doubt they stop to think they're behaviour can affect other people too. I like how you make the virgos seem like the wrong one's all the time, not that I have a problem with it but it makes me feel less bad, you know about all the things I might have done to her.
Oh roxi, I have much to learn from you.
So Roxi, what happened with the Virgo guy for 3 years -- just friends, both of you married or with others, and just see each other in community but never, touched, kissed or been intimate? But what, you always kinda had a thing for each other -- the famous Scorpio/Virgo stare at each other? Then he tells you one day out of blue he's single, knowing your single, and then after major txting, the party thing happens? What a ****ing Virgo A-h! I tell ya, they are all so similar its freakin scary! I know Scorpios can be similar as well -- but at least were not weird -- i mean not in the way of feelings/emotions and showing them -- when we like someone we let them know it, we go after them or at least if they stop pursuing us, then we go after them..... oh god, it's all so draining...
So Roxi are you going to get back with your Aries H? It sounds like you shouldn't, but what is that all about?.....
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