PLEASE HELP SAG WITH VIRGO GAMES

me, ima lovestruck sagittarius COMPLETELY clueless to the whole "Virgo charade" when it comes to matters of the heart. Here's the stats, pleading for input! we're talking about a virgo round the age of 22 who about 4 years ago said he wanted somethingwith me but never reallie more than that came out because at the time and for some time i was full of games. time's gone on and out of nowhere it struck me i was madly in love with him. his favorite thing to say is that i beat around the bush at the same time he says he loves me n wants to be with me. his actions at times speak otherwise. im torn between whether he's attempting to play me for a fool or his time is really always conveniently occupied with helping sumbody. either one of those two or he's with someone else. i love him to pieces but i refuse to make a fool of myself. SOS

im a sag sun too, and maybe I've just had a bad experience, but.....if I knew two years ago what i do now...I wish i would have never started a relationship with my Virgo ex-boyfriend (and future father of my child - due in a couple of months) It has always been so off-n-on that it could drive you crazy - for real!! I think the differences in the way the two signs think ad relate make this combo almost doomed. Now, granted there were some very good times during those two years... just not worth the heartache it ends up being! In the beginning, they seem so sweet, shy, helpful and caring. After a while, their critical and mean side comes out. I know it's hard to believe. I never would have thought it either. I know this doesn't hold true for every Virgo, but certain things.... the way they can separate themselves from their emotions, run away from any conflicts...be practical and logical even when the situation calls for more compassion. I wish I would have known. I think they are known for their "dissapearing acts" They seem to leave the scene when you need them most. Without any explanation, usually. Sorry if I'm just sounding off, but I wish someone had told me. He could seem very caring...if he felt like it. I probably wouldn't have listened to anyone either. Being the impulsive Sag, I had to find out for myself. I wish you better luck than I had!

My sister is a sag, and she is 'talking to' a virgo and i told her from the get go that he was a prick! he is all nice and down to earth and sweet but he had a dark side that i could see, he is perverted, and a liar, i hate guys 🙂
~kimberly
PS:point is with the whole "SAG AND VIRG" let it go, let it be, and TRUST ME it will be ALRIGHT, once he is out of your life 🙂

Most Virgos mean what they say - when they are saying it. BUt somehow that analytical side comes into play and they have to THINK it through. Most are out of sync with their emotions anyway. He's young and at 22, no he's not ready to settle down with anyone.

Keep your thoughts to yourself - don't allow him to know what you are thinking. Shy away from any talk about a relationship and how you feel. Ignore him. Sorry to say- but sometimes with a Virgo - you have to get down and dirty. Don't play into his "games" or "tests" I should say. He's not emotionally mature as most of them aren't at that early age.

OMG I COULD CRY FORREAL RIGHT NOW!! to my fellow sagg i sooo feel u. its practically impossible for me to describe y i feel so passionate for this ISH gues thats just my impulsiveness with my sign. man, hes such an a $ $ hole. ijust got back tothe boards today so i definitely missed some vital advice. so check wat i did and feel free to be profane if i was clearly out of line. so i send him a tex (which has een our most popular form of communication lately) saying i wana ask him sumthin and i come all out with stuff about my feelings and he just leaves me hangin like he did the last time. I SOO DONT GET IT!! he chastises me for not responding or being in tune with wat the Fu hes talkin about now wen im open he does me mercilessly. so i try to take in account his shyness that hed swear to death against and his jealousness that hed most likely deny too and keep a level head but its really emotionally disheartening wen i think he feels a way he acts another way and doesnt verbalize NETHING until the ninth hour. glee: i thank you for your concern. so from one desperately trying to repel this creak of heartache u think it definite best for me to just COMPLETELY cut him off? tomarrows his bday but i dont wana cut him offn then talk about bdays and such. i can be such a sap but if i decide im sticking thats automatic. so PUHLEEZ wat to do. i hate to feel so helpless but this insight is really empowering. lol serious tho

No more wasting your precious time and energy....it's curb time for the guy! There really is someone else out there that will enhance you and your qualities, you will feel good when you are with him. This guy isn't it sweetie. Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life...begin it with your self empowerment!

Mdot- maybe it can work for you two. Maybe if you play it different than I did...or are we as Sag's too much the optimist? 🙂 I know with my (ex)Virgo, whenever I would feel comfortable enough to talk ANYTHING about feelings with him....he FROZE. What's the deal with that? BTW -I realy think he would appreciate a small gesture - nothing too over the top, just something thoughtful, for his birthday. For some reason, even though they can be so stonecold hearted sometimes. That stuff seems to mean alot to them. THese guys..! Like Leolady said, can have a very "dark side " that can be oh-so-alluring. Like they've experienced so much pain in their lives...which some of them have... but, weird how my ex used to supposedly have these "crazy ex's"! I thought it was all them (the crazy ladies...or "stalkers"!! Come to find out, the girls probably were "stalking" him because he decided to break up with them byt never bothered to tell them!!!

I'm sorry, looks like I'm still a little bitter 🙂 I'll tyr and keep my mouth shut for awhile. But your guy could be a lot different. My ex was a Scorpio rising, and his moon was in Sag.

I hope this works out for you. I'm sure he'd be lucky to have you!!

I just have to add quick - Glee is right, I think. The nicer I was, the meaner he got. THey say sometimes with a Virgo man, you have to "be mean to keep them keen" I wasn't up for that, but maybe you could try!!

OMG i soo can relate. he so totally had the psycho groupies after him wen he and i first got friendly. i nevr reallie paid them attention but now i begin to wonder. i once joked with him and told him he was gona make me stalk him. but of course thats not in our character as saggs. he said id nevr have to. hear i am venting online on Ish he said that owuldnt ever be. i so was thinking of signing him off but i think i will do sumthin small for his bday. im dying for suggestions because as u know us and our optimism, i dont wana do sumthin overwhelming cause it definitely doesnt take a lot for him to back off wen things get heated. but let it be the other heat, i cant push him away if i wanted to. lol how i ironic.

U no that wood make lots of sene. wen i was goin thru my play the field phase back n the day i didnt reallie give him the time of it. these days i practically beg him to spend time with me but wenver i ease up n give him this space he hints around by action that he wants, he freaks out and starts wanting to no y im ignoring him and having a real hissy fit. i sometimes wonder if his elevator goes to the top floor cause i just completely lose all words wen he throws me like that. i nevr even reallie ignore him ijust dont respond to himf or a little while. and just to add sum more fuel to the fire wana know wat he told me one time wen i got reallie upset and nto it i told him just forget it n forget me cause obviously the love he says he has isnt there n im not gona act like it is. he had the grapefruits to tell me i "act like im special" special as in retarted or sumthin. NO PUN NTENDED but forreal. can u believe that. i was spicy for a few days after that. then he got me to get over it. i hate that cause its so weird, definitely sumthing i dont think my persona alone was designed to understand. its definitely going to need my hearts help if this is wat i decide to do.

hmmm..it's so good to hear that others have experienced the same thing! I can see how we really start doubting ourselves with these guys! Example-I was totally convinced that his ex-wife was a crazy _ itch, but come to find out...it could very well have been him! He just ups and leaves sometimes. Sometimes I'm not even aware we've had a "fight". I only find out when he stops any contact between us. For as long as he feels like it. No explanations. Big contol freak. Doesn't it always seem like it's always when/where/how they think it should be? But boy, I have to admit..when they're "with you", they're really with you. Very potent stuff...sigh... it takes a while to get over them, but I'm a gonna try!!

that was such a crappy thing to say!!(special) see, that's the kinda thing -comments, criticisms)that seems to start happening more and more often as you go out with them. At least for us, it did.

About the present...they are pretty good about picking out gifts for people. Thoughtful and practical. Especially practical. do you know what kind of music he likes? Don't know how practical that is, but if he spends much time traveling, he might like that...my guy seemed to like clothes. Usually mostly black.

OMG talk about bodysnatching! i mean it reallie sounds like im definitely talking to myself! theres most definitely times wen we have spats and after reflection being the intuitive sagg i am i figure out wat it is hes trippin on THEN theres times wen i dont even know were nto it hell just cut off communication n im sitting around trying to figure out wat the Fu i did to push him n2 a hissy fit. such a catch22. its beautiful wen were together. thats all it feels like but wen hes on his mars trips... a whole nother storie. ive been quoted on actually about to put his body in the river severing a particular part on the way lol. no i wouldnt ever but in a much terrible place thats wat would happen in the blink of an eye. i duno where it comes from. i feel like he wants me but i also feel sooo much doubt on his end. im ean he worries about crazie ish!!! ish thats not even true with us i mean hes SOOO the only one i want let him tell it im with everyone BUT him!

LOL!! i was rolling! i totally relate to the wanting to cut something off -comment. they can leave you so fricking FRUSTRATED its unreal!! 🙂 Well, i blieve he probably does want you, but probably keeps doubting himself and analyzing every frickin' thing! He would be gone for good if he decided to, and it sounds like he keeps coming back. If only they could relax!!

DAYUUUM relax is such an understatement with wat they need. they need like round the clock valium type sumthings cause this is so unreal sumtimes. he can make me hate to love him AND love to hate him. wat is that?!?! sounds like sum kind of ricky lake specal. but seriously, this venting thing has done me so good. so much love to you sagg sun n make sure that little crumbsnatcher he helped to make isnt as crazie as his daddie!!! (hope i didnt jynx u n case u want a girl!)lol but forreal i guess once u figure out wat they r its simply whether or not u wana do it and i REALLIE wana do it. the insane part is all these PAINful passion feelings i have for him snuck up on me. about a year n a half ago maybe. uve known him for almost 5 now. *years that is Ive ben no good evr since. but ive definitely gota sharpen my pencil soz i can get him near me long enuff to show him wat i want. i was thinking of a BEST BUY gift certificate. lol wat r ur thoughts

Oh my God!! I can't believe that I'm not the one that's crazy!! - I'm going to try to keep it short - 7 years of knowing this virgo - it took 4 years for us to finally get together (both were married) as soon as I separated from my x he showed up at my door step all excited about our life togehter - I wasn't ready at the time to make a committment - he was in the process of attempting to separate from his wife as well at the time - they got back together and he continued to see me as well. Finally this past winter they ended it - he called all excited that we could be together and then I didn't hear from him for a long while - I thought he needed some space so I gave him time - then he calls all upset that we hadn't talked - he made plans to do something with me then I didn't hear from him again - a month later my friend calls to invite him to a party and he says that he's seeing someone else - I can't see him all of the sudden seeing someone else after he's left the house only for a week - does any of this make sense to you guys? How does this work? What do I do? I wrote him a letter a month later after getting the news and said that this isn't what I had wanted but his happiness meant everything to me and that he needed to do what he needs to do - haven't heard anything and it's been a month? Why wouldn't he just call me to tell me himself? Is he unsure about me? Getting over his failed marriage? All of the above? He's also got teenage kids is he just busy with those? Any advice would be great but a male middle aged virgo who's been through a separation may be able to explain this to me - PLEEEEEAAAASE - This is killing me!!!

TO "CONFUSED FOR SURE" From my esperience with the VIRGO SAGAS they'll show u better than they can tell u on NE account, seeing as tho they are conversation phobic when it comes to emotions and SERIOUS of NEthing type situations. he'll sho u by staying away long enuff if uve done something to turn him off but he definitely will NOT be in your face for a long period of NE time no matter the circumstance.i think the closest thing to guaranteeing this is marriage. they are like society servants or sumthing.always wanting to help those close to them and/or even those that arent so close so dont take it personal if youre not at the top of that to do list of his. Unless he Knows EXACTLY where u stand with him, dont look for him to try and find out he can definitely find better things to preoccupy himself with than possibly setting himself up for failure by coming to u with some uncertainties

wonder if this is still active but anyway here's the deal separation is tough and to a virgo realizing the break up meant the flaws of his or her ex was not humanely accepted.This gives virgos enough pressure to not hurt the next person we fall for. I am inlove with a sag and i think i bore him to death, he has mars in virgo. I don't think he is serious about his feelings though. We are both waiting for each other. He calls our relationship as freezing hot. I wonder what he meant with that😢

Sag are nice people but they make me feel uneasy. this guy likes u we never say such things if we don't like u. he is just waiting on ur reaction think of virgo like playing a game of catch we throw the ball to u and we expect u to through it back at us hope this helps.

virgoking, I have noticed that...why do we make you uneasy?🙂

I dont know its hard to explain sag89 i guess bc u guys are so hard to read than other signs. so its hard to see were ur loyalties are at and thats what a virgo wants.. so when he knows that he should be fine.

I tell you why I think they are hard to read according to virgos...because virgos think the Sags are just nice to everyone...thereby not differentiating between friendship and relationship leading to confusion on the partners side..

I see. That makes sense. I think I made my ex virgo boyfriend uneasy as hell at times cause I was always goin around n about with people and he wanted to make sure I was taking our relationship seriously and staying loyal. Which I was. He just needed to lay down so I knew what was up. Which I liked cause it made me feel more grounded and I had to pay attention to it. He's only an ex because I moved away. But I think we would of had a really deep relationship if I stayed. Such a nice guy he was🙂

I have a sagi friend at work..now she has about 3 girlfriends all the rest of her friends are male..when we go out drinking..while I make my way home however I can, she will ring up one of her guy friends whom she may have had a fling with at some point and go stay over there..more than likely something will happen and I get to hear about it.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but this situation is disaster waiting to happen..why put yourself in that situation if you are in a relationship..why not just call the man you are with?...then she tells the boyfriend about it, who gets insecure..Well he has every reason to doubt and question..I would do the same..being honest is great, but that situation calls for a little sincerity don't you think?

^^ Wow. Well If I had a boyfriend that's not something I'd be doing. Whenever I went out it was with my girlfriends. I don't have many guy friends and I certainly would not stay at their place if I was drinking. It doesn't matter how "good" of a friend the guy is, shit happens when your drunk and you need to be careful. I go straight home to my man where I'm safe. ( I got a cancer rising lol)


I feel bad for her boyfriend ha. But that sounds like something a sag girl would do. I think that situation calls from some TACT! lol. That can be our downfall alot.

I am currently 5 months into a relationship with a Sagittarius woman.
Strange creatures you all are.

Things are great between us, though our thinking is terribly different.

Virgos ARE usually helping people out.
We are not mean when we criticise, we simply point out the facts that would better you as a person. It is not meant to be destructive, but rather CONSTRUCTIVE.

MS: for some time i was full of games.

Yeah, he saw through that. Case closed.

Sag89: I think I made my ex virgo boyfriend uneasy as hell at times cause I was always goin around n about with people and he wanted to make sure I was taking our relationship seriously and staying loyal.

We have zero tolerance for infidelity. We'll give you a lot of freedom, but if you betray our trust, it's over...

I couldn't date the typical SagGal, y'all are too friendly with other guys. Yeah, I know it's probably harmless, but it would sow too many seeds of doubt...