Serial Killers / Virgo
This topic was created in the Virgo forum by CLCNY30 on Tuesday, December 6, 2011 and has 34 replies.
I've been swamped between work and a school project (due tonight, no less!) on Lizzie Borden.
For those of you who don't know, she's a woman who lived back in the 1800s, who was accused of killing both her father and stepmother with an axe, hacking into their heads 20 and 21 times.
We have this huge caseload of court papers we have to go through, and I swear...I cannot believe all I'm reading. It chills me to my very soul.
Meanwhile, I have a Cap friend, a Taurus co-worker, and a Leo friend who are all, "Omg, I'd LOVE to research this!!!"
I won't even let the paperwork into my house! I'll work on it at work, after work, until the last person before me goes home--and then it's a wrap.
I tried to be little Miss Brave and come in on Sunday morning, while I was doing laundry, to work on it a little. Hand-to-God, I heard noises in the other offices, and whispers, and I wrapped.that.ish.UP!
I've spoken to 4 other Virgos since I've been working on this project, and neither of them wanted to hear more than the basic facts (they could hardly get through that!)
As cold as people claim our sign is, seems like we can't hang in the CSI league?
I don't know why this case bothers me so...the Manson Murders bother me too, but I was more willing to learn about them...I dunno...
What about the rest of you? Do you find yourself drawn to gory cases, and pictures or murder scenes?
For those of you who don't know, she's a woman who lived back in the 1800s, who was accused of killing both her father and stepmother with an axe, hacking into their heads 20 and 21 times.
We have this huge caseload of court papers we have to go through, and I swear...I cannot believe all I'm reading. It chills me to my very soul.
Meanwhile, I have a Cap friend, a Taurus co-worker, and a Leo friend who are all, "Omg, I'd LOVE to research this!!!"
I won't even let the paperwork into my house! I'll work on it at work, after work, until the last person before me goes home--and then it's a wrap.
I tried to be little Miss Brave and come in on Sunday morning, while I was doing laundry, to work on it a little. Hand-to-God, I heard noises in the other offices, and whispers, and I wrapped.that.ish.UP!
I've spoken to 4 other Virgos since I've been working on this project, and neither of them wanted to hear more than the basic facts (they could hardly get through that!)
As cold as people claim our sign is, seems like we can't hang in the CSI league?
I don't know why this case bothers me so...the Manson Murders bother me too, but I was more willing to learn about them...I dunno...
What about the rest of you? Do you find yourself drawn to gory cases, and pictures or murder scenes?
Nope doesn't bother me...I'm more into the psychological aspect...so in order to get to those details you have to hear the stories and see the pictures...don't get me wrong some of it does make my stomach churn but I can deal with it.
Man I love that stuff the phychological part of it is probably the best part.You start wondering what really went thru their heads when they killed.Look up "Pee Wee gaskins". Now that guy was a killer.
No no no! Don't suggest more murder mysteries!!! 
I love serial killers. What I mean is, im fascinated by them, always have.
I have ton of true crime books and movies.
Ive read the Richard Ramirez book like 100 times.
Yeah, nothing creepy about that. LMAO.
I have ton of true crime books and movies.
Ive read the Richard Ramirez book like 100 times.
Yeah, nothing creepy about that. LMAO.
The only piece of history that I don't feel as uncomfortable about, where a mass number of people died, is the Titanic.
For some strange reason, that boat/tale captivates me. I can never hear enough about it.
One friend told me I was probably one of the lost souls on board that night, and that's why I have such a connection to it.
The holocaust also grabs my attention, but I can't think on it for too long--just too much evil to comprehend.
For some strange reason, that boat/tale captivates me. I can never hear enough about it.
One friend told me I was probably one of the lost souls on board that night, and that's why I have such a connection to it.
The holocaust also grabs my attention, but I can't think on it for too long--just too much evil to comprehend.
I get squeamish from graphic stories but when I touch on a topic I want to know all of the details from A-Z. Everything always turns into a research project with me. Like the others I also find the psychological aspect behind the actions fascinating and try to find out whatever information I can to get insight into the minds of the killers.
@Wgamador I always think of Richard Ramirez as the rockstar serial killer because of his looks and all the groupies he had. I've read about neuroscience studies that might indicate a predisposition to serial killing but it seems like his childhood warped him into what he became. I find him super interesting too.
@Wgamador I always think of Richard Ramirez as the rockstar serial killer because of his looks and all the groupies he had. I've read about neuroscience studies that might indicate a predisposition to serial killing but it seems like his childhood warped him into what he became. I find him super interesting too.
I love serial killers as well, especially the psychological part. As most know, I'm a psych major, and my concentration for the past 3 years has been psychology with a focus on criminology and forensics. I'm actually not going into a career in forensic psychology, but it's one of my many passions when it comes to things like crime. However, I think my true fascination with serial killers and their crimes has to do with my love for taboo things, and murder is just one of the many things in our world that is taboo. One night, I went on an entire wikipedia spree researching serial killers.
Right now, I work in a research lab that does a longitudinal study on people who have been incarcerated.
Right now, I work in a research lab that does a longitudinal study on people who have been incarcerated.
Doesn't it ever make your head want to explode, Candeh? Trying to understand the motives behind it, and put yourself in their shoes to retrace steps?
I'm the same way about the Titanic....I cant get enough of it, and I never understood why it got me so much either
Posted by CLCNY30
Doesn't it ever make your head want to explode, Candeh? Trying to understand the motives behind it, and put yourself in their shoes to retrace steps?
Ummmm, I wouldn't say it wants to make my head explode per se lol. Probably explode from how much information I'm taking in. I do really want to figure out their motives, which is why I got interested in forensic psychology, but I was just fascinated in general with what they did, how they did it, who the victims were, figuring out why those victims, ect. I'm learning a lot about criminogenic beliefs. And the main focus behind my research lab is rehabilitation and not focusing on the motives per se. I'm just kind of a weirdo when it comes to things like serial killers. It has connections with my love for horror movies as well.
Actually, serial killers was kind of the reason why my taurus boyfriend and I first started talking about a year ago lol. he was watching a documentary on H.H. Holmes, and I said I was about to watch a documentary on Jeffrey Dahmer, and he was like "Let's discuss this." lol
The thing about serial killers is that they are very rare. Not many murders continue a streak of killing after the first one. So I think that's why they fascinate me even more.
Yeah sometimes weird energy sort of leaves a "stain" on evidence and photos from the past.
Anyway,there is speculation she alledgedly had a boyfriend who was in debt,and that it was actually him that committed the murders.The father was going to leave her some money and she wanted it now.He was leaving some to the step mom as well.Lizzie wasn't happy about that.
The souls in this case aren't resting yet.I knew someone who who people that had lived in the house.He said every couple of days the murder would be re-enacted/relived im the ghost energy loop.The actual house lights shut off ,the step mother screams and moans then the father does.
You are probably just tuned in to the events.If you were truly apart of it ,you would have much more severe reactions to the case.And have vivid flashes that would take you through that night.
I think if Lizzie did the actual crime,she couldn't have had the guts to actually live in the house.
Women used to work as hard as men,so she would have been strong enough to weld that axe.And 17 whacks is definitely a hate killing.They are dead plus...
Keep informed as to what you have concluded...
Anyway,there is speculation she alledgedly had a boyfriend who was in debt,and that it was actually him that committed the murders.The father was going to leave her some money and she wanted it now.He was leaving some to the step mom as well.Lizzie wasn't happy about that.
The souls in this case aren't resting yet.I knew someone who who people that had lived in the house.He said every couple of days the murder would be re-enacted/relived im the ghost energy loop.The actual house lights shut off ,the step mother screams and moans then the father does.
You are probably just tuned in to the events.If you were truly apart of it ,you would have much more severe reactions to the case.And have vivid flashes that would take you through that night.
I think if Lizzie did the actual crime,she couldn't have had the guts to actually live in the house.
Women used to work as hard as men,so she would have been strong enough to weld that axe.And 17 whacks is definitely a hate killing.They are dead plus...
Keep informed as to what you have concluded...
::shivers::
I never thought of that...I mean, I've seen pics of her, she looks sturdy enough to have carried it out
I've had to go through the testimony of all the witnesses, and Lizzie's is the most inconsistent...
Something's rotten in Denmark on this one, and I think she did it.
I never thought of that...I mean, I've seen pics of her, she looks sturdy enough to have carried it out
I've had to go through the testimony of all the witnesses, and Lizzie's is the most inconsistent...
Something's rotten in Denmark on this one, and I think she did it.
Ooh I will be looking up this one CLC I remember reading about her a long long time ago but I must've been about 10 or something.
virgo, the psycho. chapter 1.
Posted by caligula
virgo, the psycho. chapter 1.
We only have two speeds: Boring or downright insane.
Posted by caligula
virgo, the psycho. chapter 1.
Actually Lizzie was a 3rd decan Cancer.
I like CSI type of books, movies, etc. I like ghost shows too. Maybe because we are sensitive. I read one bio, or tried to. I think it was Pee Wee Gaskins, the book was called Final Truth. I wanted to read it but the more I read the more it bothered me, to think someone could do that. The book felt evil to me. It was borrowed from a friend and I gave it back. I didn't even make it to the middle of the book. LOL
Yeah Virgie he was pretty gross. I guess when it comes to torture and mutilation I don't want all of the details lol
Posted by VIRGIE
I like CSI type of books, movies, etc. I like ghost shows too. Maybe because we are sensitive. I read one bio, or tried to. I think it was Pee Wee Gaskins, the book was called Final Truth. I wanted to read it but the more I read the more it bothered me, to think someone could do that. The book felt evil to me. It was borrowed from a friend and I gave it back. I didn't even make it to the middle of the book. LOL
Thats how I felt reading the NightStalker book. Like it had this evil energy to it.
I remember every night i picked it up, I had to do mental stretches cause I was about to enter a dark place.
Well, only one student in our class had the paper last night.
The rest of us looked like zombies, from combing over all the evidence, and we spoke to each other and admitted to nightmares about this crap. It really messed with us.
She gave us until Thursday, but I'm trying to complete it TODAY. I don't want this on my mind another f'n minute past 11:59 tonight.
I REFUSE to let the papers in my house. RE...FUSE.
I feel an evil vibe from them as well.
The rest of us looked like zombies, from combing over all the evidence, and we spoke to each other and admitted to nightmares about this crap. It really messed with us.
She gave us until Thursday, but I'm trying to complete it TODAY. I don't want this on my mind another f'n minute past 11:59 tonight.
I REFUSE to let the papers in my house. RE...FUSE.
I feel an evil vibe from them as well.
Posted by wgamador2Posted by VIRGIE
I like CSI type of books, movies, etc. I like ghost shows too. Maybe because we are sensitive. I read one bio, or tried to. I think it was Pee Wee Gaskins, the book was called Final Truth. I wanted to read it but the more I read the more it bothered me, to think someone could do that. The book felt evil to me. It was borrowed from a friend and I gave it back. I didn't even make it to the middle of the book. LOL
Thats how I felt reading the NightStalker book. Like it had this evil energy to it.
I remember every night i picked it up, I had to do mental stretches cause I was about to enter a dark place.click to expand
EXACTLY! I wanted to read it but it just felt creepy!
Heath Ledger, anyone?
Honestly, I haven't been too spooked by something that made me so uncomfortable that I had to stop altogether and mentally collect myself. I'm just REALLY into things like that. However, when I tried a Ouija board for the first time, that did make me really uncomfortable after I did it. Those things really are no joke.
Posted by Candeh15
Honestly, I haven't been too spooked by something that made me so uncomfortable that I had to stop altogether and mentally collect myself. I'm just REALLY into things like that. However, when I tried a Ouija board for the first time, that did make me really uncomfortable after I did it. Those things really are no joke.
I'M NOT TOUCHING A OUIJA BOARD! LMAO! I like scary movies and stuff. Just certain things don't feel right.
Posted by VIRGIEPosted by Candeh15
Honestly, I haven't been too spooked by something that made me so uncomfortable that I had to stop altogether and mentally collect myself. I'm just REALLY into things like that. However, when I tried a Ouija board for the first time, that did make me really uncomfortable after I did it. Those things really are no joke.
I'M NOT TOUCHING A OUIJA BOARD! LMAO! I like scary movies and stuff. Just certain things don't feel right.click to expand
I have a Ouija board here at work. hahahha.
Many years ago I had a funny experience with one and when I told my current Aries about it, she wanted to see if it was real the Ouija thing......welll one night we went out and bought one at Toys R us and that night it told her the nickname her mom used to call her and it freaked her out.
Especially that I didnt know about the nickname....so i had no idea, so she didnt want the Ouija to stay in the house, so i brought it here to discard it and i never threw it out. Its still here.
If anyone wants it, Ill send it to you free.
Posted by wgamador2Posted by VIRGIEPosted by Candeh15
Honestly, I haven't been too spooked by something that made me so uncomfortable that I had to stop altogether and mentally collect myself. I'm just REALLY into things like that. However, when I tried a Ouija board for the first time, that did make me really uncomfortable after I did it. Those things really are no joke.
I'M NOT TOUCHING A OUIJA BOARD! LMAO! I like scary movies and stuff. Just certain things don't feel right.
I have a Ouija board here at work. hahahha.
Many years ago I had a funny experience with one and when I told my current Aries about it, she wanted to see if it was real the Ouija thing......welll one night we went out and bought one at Toys R us and that night it told her the nickname her mom used to call her and it freaked her out.
Especially that I didnt know about the nickname....so i had no idea, so she didnt want the Ouija to stay in the house, so i brought it here to discard it and i never threw it out. Its still here.
If anyone wants it, Ill send it to you free.click to expand
NO THANK YOU! BURN IT!!!!!!
You know, as disturbing as it is, I'd try it again.
Then again, I go ghost hunting too, so I'd probably try anything once... or twice.
Then again, I go ghost hunting too, so I'd probably try anything once... or twice.
Posted by Candeh15
Honestly, I haven't been too spooked by something that made me so uncomfortable that I had to stop altogether and mentally collect myself. I'm just REALLY into things like that. However, when I tried a Ouija board for the first time, that did make me really uncomfortable after I did it. Those things really are no joke.
This.
I once did one on my own (which you're NEVER supposed to do!)
I actually found this thing called Magic Circle, or something like that, in Waldenbooks years ago--a Ouija type thing.
I was soooo tired--I had come back from taking a final exam, in my freshman year, and I'd had no sleep for a little over 30 hours because I'd been studying.
I broke it out, because I was still too worried about my grade to sleep, and just started playing. No one was home but me, and as I played, I felt myself getting drowsy but the little magnifying piece was still gliding over the game, spelling things out. I think it even laughed at one of my questions (spelled out, H-A-H), and told me the names of my future children...it was freaky.
I got a horrible sense of crushing dread--like being trapped in plastic wrap, and having all the air vaccuumed out, and it woke me up enough to yank my hand back, and jump up.
I closed that board so quickly...and I know there's some sort of parting words, or a chant you're supposed say to close the game and lock whatever spiritual channel you've opened to answer your questions...no clue if I did that. I just know I threw that game the fek out right then and there.
Posted by Candeh15
You know, as disturbing as it is, I'd try it again.
Then again, I go ghost hunting too, so I'd probably try anything once... or twice.
I'd like to try ghost hunting but I'm afraid something would follow me with the Ouija board. LOL
What's funny is that I actually do tarot readings, and I feel perfectly comfortable doing them. No ill feelings, no creepy shivers--if anything, I feel rather protected, like positive spirits are surrounding me as I shuffle...
I am interested in true crime and the serial killer who interests me the most is Fred West the British serial killer: I have read quite a few books about his life and crimes.
It is a surprise to me if Virgos usually get away with things as I know that if I ever do anything wrong I usually end up getting caught and having to "face the music"!
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