V/P . . . connection.

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It took me a while, but, I think I've finally figured out what the attraction is between the Virgo and Pisces. All kinds of different relations can work, but, there's something about these two . . they always seem to have this unspoken connection. Often times, it ends up being that the two can only deal with each other in small doses, but, they always gravitate back. Mainly, there is this attraction of mystery, like the other will please you, then appall you, then please you again and we can't figure out why we love/hate each other . . but, keep going back for more.

It's because we have these same qualities that is hidden from us, most of the time. It's so similar that, and yet, we are so different, that if we take the time to contemplate these similarities, we'd get really upset because neither one of us WANTS to be like the other.

I'm long winded, so anybody who wants to read this, should get settled in.

1) Stand up
2) Aim
3) Fire
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Stand Up

It appears that the other 10 signs are afraid to stand up on their own. They either have to have forces behind them, they will attack in private messages so others don't know they're being assholes, the fear of always wanting to look good in public will prevent them from standing up at all, but, mainly . . they have to have people take sides and will only open their mouths so long as there is someone else backing them up. That seems to be the norm for all signs except us.

Virgo's and Pisces will leap to their feet, perfectly content and confident standing alone without any forces holding their backs. They don't need anyone else . . they're both perfectly capable of holding their own. Not that one of the two can't or won't fall, and somebody is always wrong, while the other is right in a situation . . but, that doesn't scare either one of us. Other signs will go scrambling away, injured and look for others to soothe and kiss their boo-boo's, telling people how cold and cruel we are to them. But, neither one of us will do that. We'll just concede, shake hands and go about our way.

There's this hidden respect we have for each other, because we both know that they other is a contender. One is smarter than the other, one is more intuitive than the other . . but, we respect each other's honor because we aren't afraid to stand alone for our convictions, even if we're wrong.
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Aim

When in looking at the 10 other signs, it appears as though they don't aim as straight as the two of us. If it's an argument, or pleasure seeking, or anything . . there's always some other ammunition being stored away to use.

When the two of us, argue, we keep to point. We don't pull everything out of the past that the other ever did to use against them when we're angry. I'm angry at "this", this is what we are going to fight about. Virgo's are the same way. If a topic is being debated, we can even get hot-headed, but, keep aim on our points we're trying to make. Most people veer off course, and then forget what the debate was even about.

Another thing I see about keeping aim, is in love. Most of the other signs will throw their past loves into the mix for purposes of making their partner jealous. We won't do that . . I'm loving you now . . . my past lovers have no part to play in the way I love you now. Virgo's are the same way. We'll both take experiences and try to apply them to our new love . . but, NOT use a past lover against the current one.

In everything we both do . . if this is the direction we're heading, we stay on course and don't let ourselves be steered astray.
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Fire

Well, I guess I don't even have to say this one. But, a lot of people won't fire, they'd rather remain looking pleasant in public, even if inside they are hating like muther fukers . . pretty superficial for me, but, at least I know that the Virgo wont' do that.

That's not to say that everyone is as sarcastic and harsh in their speech as I am, but, everyone in our two signs will fire away . . even if it's gentle. We aren't afraid to make our point, to have our word heard. We don't fear whether someone else hates us or agrees with us. We may not like it . . but, we aren't afraid.

And it even includes the good things we do too, not just arguements. A lot of signs are too worried about failing, even if they think they are strong and confident . . inside they are terrified and so doubt theirselves. With both our signs, if one of us knows what we're doing, know what we're talking about . . we fire away, we'll do whatever that task is without hesitation.
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"virgo esp being excellent are always re-evelauating their relations rather like as if they are unsure that there could be a human being alive who could actually love them for what they are....they keep on looking for other excuses and are never sure of the love they recieve for being just the way they are...."

This is apparant in a lot of Virgo's . . but, they aren't afraid. They need a lot of time to think about where they are going, or how to proceed . . but, the hold-up ISN'T fear.

The Pisces is the Virgo answer as to "who" is going to accept them for who they are because we keep focus as closely as them. We won't look at . . .

. . who they were in the past, we see them for who they are today.

And that's not just intimates . . these two make excellent friends because we can rest assured that the other understands us. May not agree, may get irriated . . but, we understand whre the other is coming from because we respect each other's integrity.
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archer, I guess I shouldn't have suggested that other signs don't have these qualities, because a lot of people do . . it's just that these things are so similiar to the V/P that it connects us closer than we realize.

I've noticed just with friends, at a gathering, these two find each other to have discussions. Perhaps, the Virgo is looking down it's nose at the Pisces ditsy way of expressing itself, and perhaps, the Pisces is looking at the Virgo, like he's critical, but, both of them are still standing there talking to each other because both realize that they aren't intimidated by the other.
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lol archer . . that sounds like typical Pisces

What it is, actually . . the same as Virgo, just expressed differently.

With V, they will take a step back to analyze whether they want to be with you or not, and in doing this, they seem cold and uncaring. Once a decision is made, the V will take for granted that the other person sitting in the waiting, will accept them

With P, they will overflow with sentiments while they analyze whether they want to be with you or not, and in doing this, they seem overzealous. Once a decisin is made, the P will still have the other happily pleased. It's the same, yet, opposite.

V has you upset in the wait, you feeling indifferent when they decide "No"
P has you happy in the wait, P feeling indifferent to you when they say "No"

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Another thing about the similarity between Virgo and Pisces (and this doesn't mean that either sign doesn't do it, just not as often as other signs) . . we both don't have to come in here and ask a bizillion questions like: does he love me, why did he do that, what did I do wrong, why won't he talk to me, blah, blah, blah

We both think very clearly and deeply about our relationships, we don't NEED input from others on how to proceed. Sometimes, people will come in here, ask a question, get a hundred answers (get with the ones they don't WANT to hear), then two weeks later, ask the same frigging question, like it just went in one ear and out the other.

Or, they'll turn around in another relatioship and do the same damn thing, over and over and over again. Both V's & P's will LOOK VERY CLOSELY at what happened to screw up their union, accept whatever blame was thiers and then apply a lesson to the next encounter.

I've screwed up so many relations in the past, one can't even imagine the severity of some of my burnt bridges . . but, ya don't hear me in here, blaming it on the other person and whining for pity. V's don't do that either, they tighten their belts, lift their heads high and move on.
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Pretty much, Haffo . . it came to me this morning. Our brains are on the same wave length. It just comes out differently, but, how we organize our thoughts when thinking about something . . processes the same.

I wonder if all the opposite signs are like this: C/C, A/L, A/L, T/S, etc. Do they appear different in expression, so nobody sees how similar their internal focus is when processing mentally?
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"I think they are similar. I know the same is true for Aquarius/Leo and Sagittarian/Gemini"

Really? I dont' really pay much attention to other signs, in this much detail. I guess because well . . it's obvious, since I've been in a V/P union for a long time. When the light went off, this morning, I just had to put it out there to see what others thought about it.

Maybe, I should have picked up on this a long time ago since I like to delve into why people do and say the things they do . . but, it escaped me. Maybe everyone else already knew and I'm just catching up.

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Another thing . . I'm now thinking this thing to death, as usual . .

When in a relationship, or just testing the waters to see if a relationship is worth moving forward, neither of us two signs HAVE to have input from other people. In here and in real life, others will post or say the littlest of comments or expressions in order to get everyone elses ideas and interpretations. Not that we don't do it sometimes, because we do . . but, not often. Other signs are continuous in this.

With the V & P's, we pretty much keep our own counsel and form our own views based on our own assessments. What others think is irrelevant to us because they aren't us, they are them, and it doesn't matter how they feel, or what they think.

Usually, if you look at topics in here on our two boards, it's rare that we are asking the questions on how to proceed . . it's usually another sign, asking why V or P is doing something, or behaving a certain way. I don't hear any Virgo in here asking why their potential partner is acting a certain way, or a Pisces, except once in a great while. Looking at the other boards, they're bombarded with this.

Curious . . indeed.
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archer, because it's so obvious, I can't believe I've NEVER in all my digging seen this before. Just look at me here, how I started my last post and it's so true. The horse could be completely dead and rotting and still . . I'm thinking about it.


Message posted by: P-Angel on 9/11/2006 9:04:41 AM

"Another thing . . I'm now thinking this thing to death, as usual . ."


Thinking something to death . . who does that sound like?

Albeit, the Virgo will do it silently and may never verbally give one iota that they are in complete contemplation, while the Pisces, on the otherhand, is voicing these thoughts . . but, it's the exact same thing . . we just go about it differently, but, it's for the same purpose.



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I'll bet if you did a deep analysis, that you'd find there are a lot more similarities because it doesn't seem feasible that this is strickly a V/P thing. Because the expression is so different, one would really have to only focus on motives to see the traits.

This is freaking me out . . I DON'T want to be like a Virgo. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just . . damn, I need to calm down and think about something else.

Yeah, right . . like that's possible.
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"Pisces, they tend to want to always overwhelm people with confusion and mystery to stop anyone from seeing who they really are. Some people do figure out Pisces, but Pisces feel naked without their ambiguity and inconsistancy."

Even this Branh, though absolutely the truth, is still similar to the Virgo. At least the motive . . . "to stop anyone from seeing who they really are"

yes, we most certainly will overwhelm people with confusin and mystery in order to stop anyone from seeing who we really are . . does that sound familiar in any way?

Have you not heard people say that they are confused because the Virgo pulls away and becomes a different person when prodded about feelings? Or, that the Virgo is one difficult creature to understand because they don't reveal feelings . . mystery?

Different approaches, different actions . . same purpose.

> Wonders if her head will explode soon.
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virgogotme,

I hear ya. My father, brother and son are all Scorpio's, so I know full well about the strength in your kind and the ability to make a stand. That's why I came back and said,

Message posted by: P-Angel on 9/11/2006 7:40:11 AM
archer, I guess I shouldn't have suggested that other signs don't have these qualities, because a lot of people do . . it's just that these things are so similiar to the V/P that it connects us closer than we realize.

Looking at the Scorp's in my life and my best friend being a Taurus, I can see more similarities in the T/S than I can in the Scor/Vir. Virgo and Scorpio are completely different, they have a lot of the same reactions and actions, but, their intentions stem from a different source.

Example I see in the T/S connection:

Scorpio's need privacy, they HAVE to have their secrets. Only until they feel the need, or have the trust to share, will they open up and come forth with the information. It's just a part of how they process whether somebody can be trusted, or not and will look for a partner who will respect this trait.

A Pisces would attempt to exploit that, a Virgo would deem the Scorpio not worthy of their efforts if they aren't forthcoming with the information.

A Taurus, on the otherhand, is the epitome of respecting others privacy. They would go beyond all excessive means to protect someone who had an issue they weren't ready to dicuss. A Taurus wouldn't snoop, or pry into something they were told is private, if their life depeneded on it. On The Contrary, they would uphold this as an honor.

Of course, there are exceptions, so not every person is going to react. There are plenty of S/V relationships out there. I'm talking about as a whole, the majority.

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Well, other signs notwithstanding, I have to agree with most of these V/P empirical, personal studies. When things are great between us, they are brilliant! When they are bad, it's a real mess. It takes longer to mend a V/P riff than any other sign I've connected with. There is an inherent intuitiveness between both signs so I sense we get very annoyed with the other when someone?s radar is jammed, loads of static.

I never have to repeat myself with a Virgo, except for my Mom every once in a while. Both signs are good listeners and have fantastic memories, which cut out a lot of extra BS and keep the dialogue open and economical. Despite our insecurities with one another, and there are many, we don't feel the need to fill any empty space or fill up conversations with useless banter.

As mentioned above, the need for space and privacy is crucial and is completely understood by the other. And, I don't think it can be said enough, when one is not completely honest or open with their partner, it's hellish trying to decipher the unwritten text. The love is there, but if trust is weak it undermines the bond.
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"Hi einstein...... great to see you
i have been missing you"

I have school now, so I don't get to waste as much time on DXP as I would like to.😛

"Both signs are good listeners and have fantastic memories, "

Are you certain? Piscean seem to have a somewhat selective memory.

Anyway, I think the main difference between those two signs is based on belief-Pisces have tons of it a Virgos have none.
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Thanks Lady,

When this came to me, I wasn't thinking so much about my marriage, as much as my friends that are Virgo's. But, thinking about intimate relationships, I can see how the events would work.

There's this instant attraction, for many reasons, mainly the other's sense of pride. The new union goes well because opposites attract and it's the beginning of partnerships that's so wonderful, getting to know each other, experimenting, exploring. At first, this seems wonderful because to the Pisces, this Virgo creature is so in need of the fish to gently pull him/her out of it's cave and give it a safe place to express it's fears and desires.

Then, once you get to know each other, you find out you're not opposite at all. Like notso07 said, the only difference is in expression. The fish realizes that there isn't anybody to rescue, the Virgo is just as solid, just as aware, just as deep . . seems in most relationships, it becomes boring because there isn't anything new to learn about each other because the other is your mirrored image, just in different form.

Virgo's can look at Pisces - this is them, if they were to let themselves be zany and carefree to how they appear in public . . maybe that's why they remain incognito.

Pisces can look at Virgo - this is them, if they were introverted and kept everything locked up and didn't let things out . . maybe that's why they let everything rip.

No matter how I look at it, I see the same person on the inside. Even sexually, everyone has heard me say a million times that Virgo is just sexual, no passion, no romance . . they just go straight for the spot and know nothing about stimulation, about feeling the swooning of antipication . . blah, blah, right? Well, look at Pisces and how we communicate about sex. Most of us are very blunt in our approach, we aren't seductresses . . we'll just say, "suck cock", use crude terms and when it comes to doing a lover, we'll go right for the kill, also. We don't talk about lighting candles and romancing, we talk sex organs and fucking. Virgo's aren't so crude, but, they are thinking it. Pisces talk about sex in a vulgar manner, Virgo's think about sex in a vulgar manner.

Of course, everyone is different and it's not fair to say all Virgo's and all Pisces, but, that seems to be the majority. We're not opposites at all, we're exact doubles and that's why unions can't make it . . . we're too much alike on the inside.
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"we'll just say, "suck cock", use crude terms and when it comes to doing a lover, we'll go right for the kill, also. We don't talk about lighting candles and romancing, we talk sex organs and fucking. Virgo's aren't so crude, but, they are thinking it. Pisces talk about sex in a vulgar manner, Virgo's think about sex in a vulgar manner."

That's the truth. I used to HATE it when she said used the term "fuck" when it came to us, or other crap. And yes, I may have been thinking about it, but to utter it cheapened the whole experience.

Still never got over that butt of hers....whew!