Virgoan Narcissism

This topic was created in the Virgo forum by VIRGOEXALTED on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 and has 38 replies.
Hello. I've been wondering as of late, are Virgos narcissitic? So we aren't pompous, and self-absorbed at least the way that fire signs are but, is there remnants of that underneat the modesty, and shyness? Are we really in love with ourselves underneath all that? The stubborn, and inflexible character, The dignity, and the intellect? There's plenty to be arrogant about with us, so in what way are you narcissitic, and in what way do you feel the sign is?
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well...the final decision a virgo makes is always a selfish one, so, yeah in the end, virgos must win regardless of what anyone else thinks, says or does, and at least in their own mind.
however, I don't believe they stare in the mirror and fall in love with theirself. I think it is more they fall in love with the "fact" that they're "always right", thus perfect. So it's more the intellect not the looks.
it is somewhat narcissistic.
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I would not call it narcissism... but wth me personally, I try to constantly "perfect" myself whether it be physical, mental, w/e, and as a result of this, it may seem as though I am extremely into myself (as a narcissitic is)...
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But with my Rising in Leo and my Sun in the 1st house, I do tend to have some "narcissitic" occurrences here and there smile
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Well, since a narcassist is always out to supply his own ego at the expense of someone else, and is generally unaffected by any negative outcome of their actions, I would have to say no. Again I would say no because I can't pretend to be something I'm not in order to gain bennifits for myself. I would rather do without. Narcassism is self-serving and uncaring. They would sell a child if it put them in the limelight (or shoot them). It is a me me me mentality that has no reflection of conscious. This doesn't reflect virgo at all, as a whole, Or for myself. I do like to be right. I do have pride in knowing what I'm talking about. My love and service for others far outweigh my love and service for myself.
If receiving gratification for making another happy is narcassistic, I am guilty. Of course I come first sometimes, but really not usually. It's within balance. If you say we are vain to a certain degree THAT I would agree with.
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You know, I believe that every person has a touch of everything, don't they?
Bi-polar, narcassis, conciet .. I mean, to be human means you have to have a degree of self-confidence, and feel proud and satistified for your accomplishments .. at the same time, we all experience rage, selfishness .. everything.
So, if there are labels to be put on people, such as this particular one .. then perhaps it would be more fair to mention the level in which a Virgo possess this trait, rather than just that it is .. for you do, Virgo's, have this trait, but, not as severely as other signs .. yours is a milder case .. but, don't we all have it at some level?

"I do like to be right. I do have pride in knowing what I'm talking about."
I mean .. doesn't everybody, JW? smilesmile
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And then we have the above poster .. who by his answers confirms that Virgo's have to the highest degree, lol smilesmile
Oh, well .. I've been wrong before, suppose it will happen again.
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HI PA: Yeah we all have SOMETHING within the realm of the narcassist. But to be a narcassist you have sevral of these traits, and they are your BASIC personality. Not something you do just once in a while. Narcassism falls within certain outlined boundaries, not just one extract of the personality.
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I am seriously NOT envious of virgos but I PITY them for their ____________ .
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CGWV: I know you like playing in our sandbox, but you don't ALWAYS have to make mud pies!Winking You kinda sound self-important yourself here! Like we actually CARE whether you pity us?
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Perhaps this Cappy should go play in her own box...or boxing ring. Naw, you are too entertaining hahhahhah!!!PLEASE STAY...OH PLEASE!!!!We crave your enlightenment! It's so refreshingly brutal and ummmm...narcisisstic.... (Did you get your SUPPLY)?
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JW -
When will you stop jumping in directly to what I say to others?
OK- you go on, like I do with lots of other virgos, I will ignore you too Winking.
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Pardon me.....I thought I was one of the "others" on the board...Jumping in? What the hell is this a one on one? It's a friggin VIRGO board!
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The males are narcissistic. I've never noticed it with the females however.
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I thought some one said, all men have some of women characteristics and vice versa.
Therefore, diplomatically and "logically" in "supremely intelligent" virgo world -
IF Men are - since they also have some women characteristics, hypothetically the same is true for (virgo) women too :-)!!
Thank GOD I am ***NOT*** a virgo!
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World is my home. I belong to the whole world rather than a particular "narrow minded" small world!
I thought "I" was very intelligent, looks like there is almost always some one better than me in all areas of life. Eureka!!
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small world! == small board!
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CGWV:"Like I always say, virgos will never change. They will go back to the original shape like a rubber, only different when stretched, else back to almost original"
Are you implying I was NOT included in this eh hem...sentence? :p
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And ADD .. I have a touch of that every time my husband asks me to do something I don't want to do .. so, you see, JW .. we're all just afflicted with something or another. It just comes and goes ..
Come to think of it, a lot of men have that, don't they? You know, the "comes and goes" part .. so, that's mainly a man thing, I think.
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Are we really in love with ourselves underneath all that?
NO???.!!
We are in peace and balance with ourselves (at least me) intruders will be suffocated. My peace is my freedom and my freedom is the meaning of my life.. who ever disturb it, shall pay for her/him disturbance!
That's all..!
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To find the peace Q-Bone...is to rise above the disturbance...Look into only ourselves for truth, and try to first purify what is wrong/missing within before we put it outside of ourselves. If we reach the pinnacle of inward peace..no one can take it or disturb it. I am still on that journey, but closer than I've ever been.
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Allow me to clarify/distinctly refer to the two types of narcissism that is present in the world of psychology. The first is the somatic form of narcissism that everyone is most familiar with; this narcissist is the one that possess that over sense of grandiosity; they LIVE for the opruntunity to show off, and exaggerate their ego/acheivements such as their bodies, their careers, their sex appeal ect.....secondly there is the Cerebral Narcissist that is utterly in love with their mind, their beliefs, their philosophies, and devote their time to stroke their 'mental pride/ego' and all that means. One is simply more overt than the other. the cerebral narcissist possesses an 'inverted grandiosity' and a haughtiness that isn't always present on the surface. They are quick to reject others and their beliefs if they clash with their own ideas, and beliefs. the mental narcissist is more at home with being alone, and introverted and dosen't possess the 'need for praise' that the somatic narcissist has.....

P-Angel:So, if there are labels to be put on people, such as this particular one .. then perhaps it would be more fair to mention the level in which a Virgo possess this trait, rather than just that it is .. for you do, Virgo's, have this trait, but, not as severely as other signs .. yours is a milder case .. but, don't we all have it at some level?
We do have this, but the level is simply underneath the surface, not necessarily MILD; most narcissists possess a modest exterior to hide the overt grandiosity from escaping, but they both (the Cerebral & Somatic Narcissist) are 'aware' of the power they weild wether it be in the abstract, such as their knowledge, or in their physical appearence/sex appeal....either way, the grandiosity is there, it's simply a matter of what form of expression that these forms of narcissism take.....one inverted, and subtle, the other more overt, and blatant. I say Virgos are just better at subrogating their weakness, and strengths depending on wether they are 'good' or 'bad'. Narcissism to SOME degree is healthy, but it's when it becomes perfectionistic, (perfectionism is a trait present in most Virgoan, and narcissists alike) and borderlines cold-blooded ruthlessness in the pursuit of ones own aims above all others, it becomes pathological.
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btw, Capricorn is usually of the depressed variety; if there ever was a chance to grab pitty, it'd be from a Cap, Cancer, or Scorpio. I would've said pisces as well, but they bounce back faster, and aren't always beset by personal conflicts.
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Thank GOD I am ***NOT*** a virgo!
If you we're, you'd be one SORRY excuse for one....I too must say THANK GOD becuase DXP is better off without the likes of someone so petty being born under our sign.....heh, and they say, we're small minded? there's gotta be a goat*ahem* joke in there somewhere! lol Tongue

World is my home. I belong to the whole world rather than a particular "narrow minded" small world!
Does that world happen to exist in your own mind? lol Then in fact I'd have to say it is indeed 'narrow and small' lmao Tongue
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I would have to say it's true within myself also DC; I think I'm supperior, or weak, not weaker than anyone, just not shining like I'd like to. The moments that I lack confidence, I'm hurting beyond belief; it feels like I'm dying, and I get paranoid that i'm 'visible' to others; I believe life is a struggle/fight, and all I have are my convictions, and my belief in myself, and without those I feel weakened, and I lash out at anyone in my way to feel better, by dragging someone else down with me. I do feel superior, and most in these moments, I have no problem telling anyone to piss off, and peircing them by turing their weaknesses against them, and watching them squirm, and what's worse, I won't stop, I'll got to any ends to make you realize that you pressed a SERIOUS switch in me, I at one point was responsible for the longest tongue lashings on dxp with a Scorp; it's like I enjoyed letting that side out, that scares me if nothing else ever did....it's sickening when I look back on it becuase it's undignified, and suggests a lack of belief/confidence in myself, and for my sake, and my self-perception, I can't have that. As far as Pisces go, they're water, and water is usually up and down the emotional poll and make it 'visible' for everyone to see, I stuggle with moodiness, and self-confidence, but the point is Vanity is strong within my temperment.
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Even the males are like this. Furious when mad, because we can't stand the idea of someone getting the better of us. I hate that, being 'humbled' dignity, and self-control is important to me....lol I'm still learning to temper that arrogance/vanity. Don't get me all wrong either, I yo-yo, but when I'm calm, I'm calm....you'd think that there was nothing wrong with me, because I have a look in my eye that says 'all clear' but my eyes are black, and then they just get darker, and my eyes slant; my mother told me I have 'snake/crocodile' eyes when I'm mad....It's becuase I've learned to 'master' my emotions to the point of undemonstration or a 'blank' face. We are very firery-tempered souls, and only show a calmer facade.....but when something triggers the well of anger deep down below.....the animal takes over, and that's it there's a tidal wave of emotion that spills out, becuas I speak on things I've held in reserve, and singe everyone....I'll stop at nothing to make you realize I'm NOT your toy, and that you've made a bitter enemy. hold it back because honestly, I'm ashamed of that part of myself, as I think most Virgos are....we don't like feeling naked 'after the fact' but during it, it feels soooooo damned good!. I'm a passionate soul, but I haven't quite learned to deal with the black and white in me yet.
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we're just the best at controling our emotions. I don't always let out 'everything' just enough to please myself. without getting too carried away. Though there are those moments where I explode beyond repair. I'll say this, we've the detatchment of a wind sign, but the depth/strength of feeling of a water sign. We just try to 'suppress' feelings because we're proud of that ability to control ourselves, and show utterly no signs of feeling. But the truth is, underneath it all, I feel, and strongly at that.....some would deny this claim because they aren't as cool with being themselves as I am. I know who I am, and how I work, and I'm not afraid to show it, tell it to anyone. I've got confidence in myself for the most part.
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I'm like Fire and Ice, constantly being thrown between two drives/desires at once...it's frustrating being torn apart by the very confines of your own self...it's like you can't trust yourself, yet all you have is yourself, so you hate yourself, you love yourself, and are thrown between these forces untill you learn how to 'reconcile' everything. It's hell, always keeping your feelings under such a tight lid, but when you don't trust anyone.....what option are you left with?
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I don't think it's acceptable to blow up at people, or to just shit all over them....that's why I keep to myself, and manage my own internal conflicts. I refuse to involve someone else or to hurt them. that's the ONLY difference between a Scorpio, and a Virgo.
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i don't think virgos are necessarily narcistic, they just like t hings to be done right. Many times th ough they criticize from "on high" when their own life is all f-cked up...or at the very least they aren't any better of than the person th ey are criticizing....never understood that about them
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"we're just the best at controling our emotions"
going off at every perceived offense is not controlling emotions very well. The people who are best at emotional control are the ones who are consistently cool, calm, and collect, not high strung. I'd say tauruses are best at that...
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i don't think virgos are necessarily narcistic, they just like t hings to be done right. Many times th ough they criticize from "on high" when their own life is all f-cked up...or at the very least they aren't any better of than the person th ey are criticizing....never understood that about them
lol, that's why I don't bother to critisize....i don't deal with the 'holier than thou' that's the dogmatics in churches, and the blindly optimistic, and the obstinate; you know em, the ones that point fingers, and chastise others for being individuals, and believe that through their dogmatism makes up for their ignorance. I'm only focused on correcting, and directing my own life, and as for others, direct your own, and stop counting on others to deal with it for you. If someone should ask how did I get to where I am today, it was by struggling, and acknowledging the war that's life around all of us. I don't delude myself, and hide behind a veil of lies. It weakens you and opens you wide to a world of self-deception that you VOLUNTARILY/VOLUNTEERED to plunged yourself into.....suicide. Bottom line, life ain't simple and there are only things we can do to, make it simple...connecting with others, and sharing a bit of our lives....daily things that compile to show through our own individual experiences that life is what we observe it....through rose-tinted glasses, or just plain stunna shadez....
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going off at every perceived offense is not controlling emotions very well. The people who are best at emotional control are the ones who are consistently cool, calm, and collect, not high strung. I'd say tauruses are best at that...
I agree: isn't that SOOOO Gemini?! lol I've usually always been a cool, calm, and collected person, but I feel rage, and anger very deeply, but I control my emotions becuase I have to; I am my responsibility, and the strength and intensity of my feelings aren't known to others in my real life becuase I'm so self-contained. I'm not a Mercurial Virgo that's also, so that generalization dosen't always work. it's just an inacurat FAA (Frequent Astrological Answer). Virgo is just an energetic sign, and when they learn to use their energy right, they'll turn out like they should. I've noticed this high strung energy in Geminis, than in anyone else. Most virgos who reconcile their energy with their intellects turn out to be very cool people. I'd like to say I'm one of them.
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I like your comment about "dogmatism not compensating for ignorance". Meanwhile i disagree that geminis are the most high strung. I've noticed virgos and caps to be most like this, although like i say all the time no typical trait is held by every person in a sign. One of the most mellow people i know is a virgo....but so are 5 out of the 7 most difficult people I know.....
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they can be in practice it's true, I won't bs you. the point is, we're like a summer breeze, or razor blades and lemmon juice lmao.....but what're ya gonna do?! lol Tongue at least you're willing to take the chance to get to know us despite our flaws....
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Meanwhile i disagree that geminis are the most high strung. I've noticed virgos and caps to be most like this, although like i say all the time no typical trait is held by every person in a sign. One of the most mellow people i know is a virgo....but so are 5 out of the 7 most difficult people I know.....
I suppose subjective obervation is the real point here.....it's like you said:"all the time no typical trait is held by every person in a sign." guess it boils down to those you know, and those willing to grow....
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narcissitic? VERY. Selfish? No....probably one of the least selfish
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how can one be narcissitic, but not selfish.....??? Narcissism is a defense mechanism designed to turn most, but not all of the libido to the self....ie SELFISH....you didn't seem to have any problem saying that before....now you've switched....I prefer black OR white, not GREY. would I be wrong if I asked you why you're being so indecisive?.
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