Virgoes and Chauvinism

Would you say that Virgo men show chauvinistic tendencies?

Personally no. I feel that we are different, but equal.

From my knowledge of the Kelts, back before the Kelts became Romanized, there were Powerful Queens and Chieftesses, female warriors, Female trainers who taught men the ways of combat. It was the Romans who changed that, and brought in their ideas of women having their "place" under men.

And christianity, also male centric... the patriarchal socity.

I also think... X and Y aside... that all humans start out in the womb as females, and some are transformed into males. Otherwise... why do we men have NIPPLES? LOL.

So it depends on how enlightened you are, weather you are a chauvinist or not. But upon further reflection... I don't think I EVER felt women to be inferior, even as a child.

🙂 I hope people don't think I'm a feminist or something......

But then, if they do, I don't really care either. 😛

I have noticed that a lot of Virgoes I know have the belief that women need to be protected and all that. Some people would consider that to be a chauvinistic attitude...ya know, 'cause it implies that women are somehow weaker. But obviously Ferghus 😉 you aren't chauvinistic, so...

is Clydelover because you have a love for Clydesdales? 😛

WH,

Virgos had a tendency to be servile and therefore protective by nature.

Ferghus,

Thank you for bringing up the historical truth regarding female warriors. Our contributions and significance have been much maligned on this board from time to time.
Women aren't always the gatherers.

>is Clydelover because you have a love for Clydesdales

Yes indeedy. I have a Clydesdale Filly, three years old. She is the sweetest, and most personable horse I've ever known, but close behind her are her dad, mom, sis, and practally every other Clyde I've known. She's my sweetie = ) I love my dogs also, but horses are a notch above.

I'll put up a pic of her sometime. THe horse in my profile pics is Sultan, an American SaddleBred Gelding.

FC,

whats up with virgos and horses— i mean almost every virguy i know adores horses and i recently met this virguy who calls himself a Stallion and me his pony... hes crazy.....

>I have noticed that a lot of Virgoes I know have the belief that women need to be protected and all that. Some people would consider that to be a chauvinistic attitude...ya know, 'cause it implies that women are somehow weaker.

Women are weaker, it's a fact. In our anatomy, we don't have the same muscles, or, as many. Why would this be considered chauvinistic if it's the truth?

As for, emotionally . . yes, women are weaker and ALL women know this. If it's the truth, then . . .

I guess, my take on this Wheelie, is for someone to say chauvinistic, is really coming from a female who hasn't come to the understanding yet, to be weaker than someone else doesn't mean they are inferiour. Once that realization hits, then they won't see it as chauvinistic.

Besides, I'm not clear why a person in a relationship doesn't want their partner to be protective . . that shows their loyalty and how much they value their partner that they want them to be safe.

If a person doesn't feel protected by their partner, then what?
Would they then say that their partner doesn't care about them enough to safe-guard their heart and body.

It doesn't make sense to me. I can't fathom why a person, male, or female wouldn't want the other to keep them safe in whatever manner is necessary. When a woman needs to cry on her mans shoulder . . is she then coming and saying he's chauvinistic because his emotions are superiour? No, she's saying, he loves me and held me when I'm crying.

I don't get this. Can you explain? You know how I am, it has to make sense, or my head tries to explode.

My dictionary says the definition of chauvinism is one believing they have superiority over the opposite sex.

How does that apply to protecting their love one?

I don't comprehend the similarity.

If what your talking about is the intellictual aspect of the Virgo, then, yes, again, they are smarter than everyone else. The majority of the world's billionaires are Virgo's . . that's proof enough, at least to me.

I'm trying, I don't get it.

"Women are weaker, it's a fact. In our anatomy, we don't have the same muscles, or, as many.

Well, maybe, but we also have a higher threshold for pain. 😉

"As for, emotionally . . yes, women are weaker and ALL women know this. If it's the truth, then . . ."

I disagree. Completely. 🙂

"I can't fathom why a person, male, or female wouldn't want the other to keep them safe in whatever manner is necessary."

Well there you go. No, P-Angel, that's not chauvinistic, because you're taking away the importance of gender and bringing both sexes to an equal level.

"When a woman needs to cry on her mans shoulder . . is she then coming and saying he's chauvinistic because his emotions are superiour?"

Asking for help, or a shoulder to cry on, doesn't necessarily make a person weak. At least not in my opinion.

"My dictionary says the definition of chauvinism is one believing they have superiority over the opposite sex."

I already explained why it could be considered chauvinistic in my second post. I am not on a mission to achieve gender equality, nor did I ever accuse Virgoes of being chauvinistic. I was just pointing out some things I've noticed, and asking for an opinion about them. I know you are a Virgo fanatic, and it's not really something I want to debate.

Oh, and I apologize for confusing you.

It seems that girls are maturing earlier and earlier dyrstr8z. 😛

Ah, the Pink Floyd. Yeah, gotta love 'em. Hehe, thanks for the compliments.

Well, I mean...they were into the hardcore drugs...maybe to some their music comes off as a little strange; that's understandable. And if she can't really relate to their lyrics, well that would explain it even more. 😉

"Not gonna pry"

What would you classify it as then? 😉

No, it's ok. I'm sure it doesn't mean quite the same to me as it did to people when the song first came out. But I relate to it for a lot of reasons. One being that I just graduated and I'm going to college next week. People like music for a lot of different reasons 😛

There are actually more important reasons that I love that song. I just don't want to write them on a public board.

Thanks. 🙂

"nor did I ever accuse Virgoes of being chauvinistic"

I know that . . I was just trying to understand where it was coming from. I'm not necessarily a Virgo fanatic, as much as I am, an awareness fanatic and V's seem to fit this bill, from my perspective.

I looked for that second post, and I think that what I copied, and responded off of was that post. I guess, it's just a matter of the interpreter. You said, "cause it implies", I'm not sure that being protective implies that.

To be honest with you, if I take the definition of chauvinism and look to see it in human interaction, I'd be more prone to say that Scorpio's take on this trait. Sorry, if your a Scorp, Wheel, just how I see it. Not only is there an air about them, but, they have no problems in making the claim that they are higher than others in some way.

Anyway, thanks, for clarifying.

Really? Scorpios, eh? I definitely would have said Taurus.

I'm not a Scorpio, although I do have Scorpio rising. 😉
I'm a Leo...but if you had said Leos, you wouldn't have offended me, either. 😛

Maybe the girls are different from the boys.

My father, brother and son are all Scorps, and they will openly state their superiority over everyone else. Even on here, they state it, usually on the Aries board.

So, I take most of my Scorpio's assessments from the men in my family. And, they are the greatest and most powerful people in the world . . from their eyes.

You can imagine the fights my father and brother had growing up . . who won?

Me, I'd just cry and they both would crumble, so this little fish beat them out.

hahahaha

Don't worry, dyrstr8z, I wasn't laughing at you. hehehe

🙂

I love how this thread went from chauvinism to smoking pot. 😛

hahahaha!!!!!

😛😛
Actually I prefer bowls. lol

Come on! it's puff-puff pass...

Leave it to a "controlling" VirGuy to hijack your innocent post and turn it into a lampoon for some Cheech & Chong dialectic...

yeah, I know 😢 hehehe
Well I guess if anyone feels the need they can always put it in reverse

Hi DY 🙂

How are you — How is that ravaging Scorpgal doing 😉

Nothing more satisfying than hold that "roach clip" and watching the tip burn, baby burn!

psssh, been there, done that. you can actually do the same thing with a bowl, sort of.

I realize I probably sound like a complete pothead right now, but that's not the case. I swear 😛

Awwwww, poor darling ...

Hahaha, virguys love attention but they rarely admit it 🙂

Well, there's a cappy girl I would have got with if she wasn't a stoner. Nothing wrong with smoking every now and then, but ... ya know... stoners...

Are we even on topic anymore? Wait, what was the original topic?

Oh, I'm no chauvinist.

Okay, one more time: puff-puff pass.

Who said I'm from NYC? 😉

Come on dyrstr8z, use that Virgo brain of yours 😉

Hi virgopmoon,

First name cappy, last name sweetie 😛 Please to meet you 😄

So you like capgals, nice to know that some men do. Guys complain about us all the time.

Some of us can be evil, but the general popluation of capgals are good women 😢

No, I'm not from Albany. Not that far north. My mom's family is actually from Queens and Long Island. But we don't live there.

Umm, I've never been called a borrough girl before. I was born and raised upstate. I do talk funny sometimes though. 😉

Here, I'm done anyway. *passes to str8z*

Hey, cappy! Most of us VirGuys dig you Caps, we just don't UNDERSTAND y'all...

LOL!!! You not the only one who has stated this. Capgals are indeed the most misunderstood women in the zodiac.

If I didn't get a few kicks in the rear from reality, I probably would be very indecisive ... but I've learned better 😉 Directness is better ... if that doesn't work, run like heck!!! LOL

Well, since we're off topic anyways, about that "fish girl with her hooks in me" I was wrong, she's an Aries.

And that cap girl is still a good friend, funny story but the Aries girl that I'm now kind of after is her cousin... and I did not know this until recently.

Yeah, Plattsburgh is practically Canada. hehehe

lol, virgopmoon, this thread was pretty much gone after dyrstr8z mentioned Pink Floyd. Do doooon't even worry about it.

"Thanks, young lady! Sweet dreams!"

Kickin' me out, huh? 😛
I didn't mean I was leaving, just over the pot thing...😉

I've got the munchies now...

Oh, I know all about them scorps from experience... but this Aries gal can just about match that scorp I was with last year.

'Tis possible. I don't think I've ever seen that 😛

LMFAO!

hehe..night night

Well, at least I can say I was entertained tonight.

>calls himself a Stallion and me his pony... hes crazy.....

I'm crazy the same way, LOL... and I call my Clydesdale Filly a nickname.... PONY. = )

Ferghus is a Gaelic (pronounced both Gaylick, and Gaulick) name and has several spellings. Ferghus, Fergus, Feargus, Fhearghas, Fhearghais.

I read once, but can't seem to find where it was... that the name means, "Strong male, and virile Stallion". So in essense, my name here means "Strong, Virile, Clydesdale Stallion". My fillys dad was such a stallion, and just as good natured as she. I'll try to post a pic of him sometime.