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.... and I find that disturbing.


When a member came several months ago, I told him that soon it would suck to be you in here ... he laughed, and has since then said he knows what I was saying ....

But, not really ... none of you really do. And I find that disturbing for you, or any person, who doesn't care. It's like, threads even get made by Virgos to glorify in how people love to hate them, as if their proud.

wtf — .... is that a product of not ever accepting how you feel, so you can grow/learn and enjoy these feelings, so the end result is not knowing that it is sucking to be you?

This thread is only in place because it appears to me only one, maybe two Virgos are even capable of understanding what I'm saying, while probably 90% of the eleven signs .... and mere existing of this kind ignorance is mind boggling.

It's like, dudes, you don't even know what it is that you're feeling, much less able to live it .... if you don't know the difference between honor and disgrace is. Not just now that a thread was made to rejoice in hatred from others, because you believe this others hate you, there's been dozens of them made.

You guys ACTUALLY relish in the feeling of believing someone hates you ... and the only logical explanation is because you don't know what you feel.

I feel sorry for you ... truly
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Posted by LostinmyMind11
I think you take those threads to heart P....they are meant as a joke. If people hate us, then they hate us...nothing you can really do to change their minds.






I'm not talking about the threads. The threads were used as an example to drive my point across ....


... I'm talking about you, as a people.


And I'm not talking about people hating you, which you believing it to be true, proves why I used that particular example ...

... I'm talking about that that is what you so believe, that you've integrated it into your lives as if it's normal .. and that's because you don't know what it is you feel, because if you did .. you would understand that none of your answer had a thing to do with my point.

Which proves my point.
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It's not normal to feel like people hate you ... and you have no clue that that kind of feeling is so fucked up that it should be paramount to your emotional health.

But, you don't know that .... you even relish in it ... and the only logical explanation is because your whole life long, you have refused to let your feelings wash over you, so you are unable to recognize how fucked you are.

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Speaking for myself: I have my flaws. Probably a lot of them. But deifying short-comings seems just as pointless as wallowing in them. So I'm trying to take the middle path and do neither. Acknowledgement and recognition without glamorization and blind acceptance.

...We'll see how well I do with that







You are an exception to the rule ... there are a few others who you might not have never met

Candeh is an exception to rule also
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I'm am fully aware that you three (who posted) feel offended .. and that's because you have no clue what I'm saying.

Here's an example:

There are newcomers, right? There always are .... so they look at the state of the Virgo room and in how people seem to hate the fuck out of them, and bash them ... most of the time, the newbies end up making a thread addressing what the hell is going on in here, that people are so hateful to them.

When it's brought up, like now, and I've done it many times in the past .. it ends up the same way, with Virgos getting their panties wadded instead of hearing what I'm saying.

shouldn't it be that when people come here, the Virgos are awesome !!!!

It isn't this way in here because of non-V's ... it's like this in here because of Virgos ... because they have no awareness that nobody hates them, at all.

They truly so believe that they'd decorate their room with it .. such as it's present condition.

and they don't know ..... they don't know that it's not normal
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I think you take those threads to heart P....they are meant as a joke. If people hate us, then they hate us...nothing you can really do to change their minds.






I'm not talking about the threads. The threads were used as an example to drive my point across ....


... I'm talking about you, as a people.


And I'm not talking about people hating you, which you believing it to be true, proves why I used that particular example ...

... I'm talking about that that is what you so believe, that you've integrated it into your lives as if it's normal .. and that's because you don't know what it is you feel, because if you did .. you would understand that none of your answer had a thing to do with my point.

Which proves my point.
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I must be dumb but Im not getting your point lol
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Hmm, but you don't seem to accept that the world will never be as you think it should and this lack of acceptance leads you to be overly argumentative over things that don't matter. This isn't heaven, no one has to be perfect. Because of your refusal to see this and simply accept, you're always finding excuses to go to various topics at various forums here to rip on everyone. It would be one thing if you were merely expressing an observation and asking why they behave like this, but instead of leaving it at that, you suggest something is inherently wrong with these people because of how they have chosen to react to the shit people talk about them.
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Are you saying that even when people hate on us...they really dont hate us?







I'm saying that you create how people treat you .. you're not a victim.

If you look around at the other 11 signs, you will find the residents engaging in pleasantness with each other. There are a few odd balls .. but, the majority of the residents are allies with each other.

Every year on the Virgo board, without fail since I've been here which is a long ass time, a Virgo has started thread around this time, to talk about how is better ... Aug or Sept Virgos. And nobody else does that .. everyone else is a community, their not divided.

Virgos create the environment for people to get a bad taste in their mouth the moment they enter the room. I'm not saying that nobody ever hates on you, I'm saying that it's so normal for you to believe this that you're pitted against each other.

Aug or Sept .. neither is better or worse ... but, that's your mindset. It is in the very essence of this room .. and newbies come, look around and go .. holy fucking shit, why so much hate.


There is so much because you think it's so normal to believe you are hated that you've adapted your world to revolve around it, you ask for people to bring it to you, so you can embrace the energy.

And you don't know how fucked up that is for you .... you think it's another walk in the park
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I think you are taking that to heart...I personally dont believe or take it personally. To me...we are all virgos, all 3 decans, Aug, Sept....(im using your example)

We like to have fun..and I'm pretty sure majority of the other virgos take it all in a joking matter too...but I can see how outsiders or newbies might take it differently *shrugs*



oops this was meant for P
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... we can give criticism but not take it and we get the idea that people hate us when they criticize us.







It's not even that ^^^ as much as it's that you don't seem to notice that that elephant is in the room.

You appear to think it's perfectly normal to be hated on ... so normal that it becomes a laughing matter to you ... and you don't seem to notice that either
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To me it seems like the people on here are obsessed with virgo's emotions, meaning you guys need to know what gets us emotional for some reason.



This is something that I've never been able to understand. If someone really and truly wants to open up, they'll find a way to do so. If they don't, pushing for an emotional response will eventually have an adverse effect. Otherwise, it isn't anyone's business or relative.
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we are the negative side of mercury....I mean we are who we are. I dont expect people to hate me...but if the do, then so be it.

Im not afraid of being hated...and Im not afraid of being liked...I can not dictate others intentions. I could be the most positive person to ever be alive...and some one out there is going to take that the wrong way...its impossible to please everyone...and I for one, will not take on that task.


^^^that may have nothing to do with the topic at hand but fuck it...I wanted to say it anyway lol
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Personally, I don't particularly feel "hated" or disliked here on DXP or out in the general world, the exception being a small handful of people who do, in fact, hate my guts and have every reason to. If anything, I like to think that I get along with most people I encounter, and that more often than not, those I don't click with are primarily apathetic to my existence over developing an irritation.

Those among the Virgo population who do feel unpopular would do well to analyze why they feel so and examine the mechanics of self-fulfilling prophecy. There are only so many times that a person can read threads about Virgo did this, Virgo did that, Virgo is a d-bag while posters sign bash away, and study descriptions that amount to you're hyper critical, you're a nag, you have a stick up your ass before it begins to sink in and affect the psyche. Some individuals react by becoming flippant. Others form a sense of humor about it, and still others do their best to find a novel way around any perceived problem.

Otherwise leave it to the words of another Virgin and keep doin' your thang. 🙂

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To me it seems like the people on here are obsessed with virgo's emotions, meaning you guys need to know what gets us emotional for some reason.



This is something that I've never been able to understand. If someone really and truly wants to open up, they'll find a way to do so. If they don't, pushing for an emotional response will eventually have an adverse effect. Otherwise, it isn't anyone's business or relative.



lol then they wonder why virgo's do the disappearing act.



That's actually very immature and very painful. I don't think it's funny at all.
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And maybe a Virgo somewhere out there thinks it's immature and painful every time you call them a marker, or heartless, or dead inside. Maybe there's a Virgo out there who doesn't think it's funny at all to constantly get cookiemonstered at about how they feel.

IJS
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From what I'm reading and I maybe wrong but it seems like she is saying that we can give criticism but not take it and we get the idea that people hate us when they criticize us. Basically we can do that talking but once it comes at us we get the feeling that non-virgo's hate us.




YES x 1000

THAT is exactly what frustrates the hell out of those of us who are not Virgo's. We get that you criticize. We get tired of it. When we address it with a Virgo, it's the rest of us who are wrong for not understanding or embracing unfounded criticisms.

I applaud you unlimitedinfinite....you are a rare breed. So is Ixion120.

I can't speak for anyone else. But I personally don't hate Virgo's. Fact is, I have several who are near and dear. But it's the fact you guys are so difficult to comprehend that might make it appear that we don't like you. When I am frustrated and want answers, I go to the source. I've done that on this board.
Some have responded with genuine and respectful replies; others go into their usual "attack" the poster who dares to ask a question about a Virgo's behavior.

Whether it's intended or not, often the message being sent by some Virgo's is "We're the only ones who can criticize. It's our nature and our right."

Non Virgo's see that as total arrogance and hypocrisy.
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Why is it so hard to just accept us?

I accept cancers and their crabby way
I accept scorps and their suspious nature
I accept gems for being talkative
etc...


why are we the only sign that is not allowed to be who we are?

yes Im generalizing but so are most of you...I actually keep my criticisms to a minimum in RL...people dont care what I say...they are going to do what the fuck they want...so why bother?!
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Why is it so hard to just accept us?

I accept cancers and their crabby way
I accept scorps and their suspious nature
I accept gems for being talkative
etc...


why are we the only sign that is not allowed to be who we are?

yes Im generalizing but so are most of you...I actually keep my criticisms to a minimum in RL...people dont care what I say...they are going to do what the fuck they want...so why bother?!



This is exactly why I would rather be alone than be with someone who cant accept all of me
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From what I'm reading and I maybe wrong but it seems like she is saying that we can give criticism but not take it and we get the idea that people hate us when they criticize us. Basically we can do that talking but once it comes at us we get the feeling that non-virgo's hate us.




YES x 1000

THAT is exactly what frustrates the hell out of those of us who are not Virgo's. We get that you criticize. We get tired of it. When we address it with a Virgo, it's the rest of us who are wrong for not understanding or embracing unfounded criticisms.

I applaud you unlimitedinfinite....you are a rare breed. So is Ixion120.

I can't speak for anyone else. But I personally don't hate Virgo's. Fact is, I have several who are near and dear. But it's the fact you guys are so difficult to comprehend that might make it appear that we don't like you. When I am frustrated and want answers, I go to the source. I've done that on this board.
Some have responded with genuine and respectful replies; others go into their usual "attack" the poster who dares to ask a question about a Virgo's behavior.

Whether it's intended or not, often the message being sent by some Virgo's is "We're the only ones who can criticize. It's our nature and our right."

Non Virgo's see that as total arrogance and hypocrisy.



ok the next time you get into a altercation with a virgo, try to think using logic, trust me it's much easier than thinking with your heart and tell the virgo to try to think emotional
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I try to think logically during an altercation. I get about 30 seconds into it and get emotional. I don't cry or anything, but I feel it inside and it comes out when I speak. When I truly care about someone, it's extremely difficult to hide those feelings. I know you can see it in my eyes. When I look at the virgo's eyes, I can't see pain, sadness, or anything really. It's like a black void. I can't fathom being like that.
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Posted by LostinmyMind11
Why is it so hard to just accept us?

I accept cancers and their crabby way
I accept scorps and their suspious nature
I accept gems for being talkative
etc...


why are we the only sign that is not allowed to be who we are?

yes Im generalizing but so are most of you...I actually keep my criticisms to a minimum in RL...people dont care what I say...they are going to do what the fuck they want...so why bother?!



You share mercury with us. So you have the communication bug too. We engage, and you criticize. 😉 J/K
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But it's the fact you guys are so difficult to comprehend that might make it appear that we don't like you.



Sometimes I wonder if people think we're difficult to understand because they don't know how to listen. If I say something, I really mean what I say. If I criticize something, then I'm telling a person point blank what I think and feel--generally not to harm as many take it, but in my mind to point out what I think is a flaw so that it can be tweaked and made better. And if I say nothing at all, it's because I have nothing relevant or helpful to say, and nothing I feel like sharing. Period. The end. That's all she wrote. All the information is right there, up front, with no hidden meanings or additional interpretation needed.

But so often that doesn't pass for acceptable for reasons far beyond my understanding. Some people seem to feel a strange need to overcomplicate what doesn't need to be complicated at all, or attempt to drag out information that either just plain doesn't exist, or that I don't want to let go of which automatically puts me on the defensive because it's like a mental assault so out comes the mercurial tongue to slash away at the threat.

In my mind the best way to approach anything is just to keep it simple. If you don't want an honest answer that might sting, don't ask a question. If you don't appreciate my critiques or think something I've said is inappropriate, say so. If you want to vent without interruption or advice, say so. If you want to know what's going on inside my head or heart, ask, but then be willing to accept my answer whether you like it or not. Hell, you can even say the most offensive markerish bullbutter in the world to me if you want so long as you have the courtesy to warn me ahead of time so I can pull up the shields. Really, if you want to understand someone, you just have to be direct about it instead of trying to play a head game. And if they would rather screw with your head, they probably aren't worth knowing.

Just my two cents.
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Why is it so hard to just accept us?

I accept cancers and their crabby way
I accept scorps and their suspious nature
I accept gems for being talkative
etc...


why are we the only sign that is not allowed to be who we are?

yes Im generalizing but so are most of you...I actually keep my criticisms to a minimum in RL...people dont care what I say...they are going to do what the fuck they want...so why bother?!



This is exactly why I would rather be alone than be with someone who cant accept all of me



lol it's whatever to me, every human has their own opinions about every different subject, if we all agreed on everything then this would be a very boring world. Hate no hate or whatever the case maybe I can only continue being me and if I change it's because I'm not comfortable with the way I used to do things. I was trying to see P-Angel point but I still don't get it lol maybe I'm not smart enough.
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Im with you on that...I guess what she said went right over my head lol
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That's the thing tho Virgos typically dont' attempt to solve problems, they passively aggressively pay you back, by silent treatments, disappearances, etc etc. They never reveal their feelings or thoughts. They expect you to know what irks them. I don't have that kind of focus.



Is that really how it is though? Or is that just how you are perceiving things?

Every story has three sides. Person A's side. Person B's side. And the truth.
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lol I don't expect anybody to know what pisses me off unless I say something. LIke TMV all there is to do is ask but other people get so emotional ya tend not to make sense, just a whole lot of crying, screaming and overreacting to something that has little to no value to the virgo but you think it means something to them, ya don't listen because ya choose not to listen, when people act out on emotions they tend not to listen to logic there for ya talk and we stay quiet.



Precisely.

Every experience is colored by individual perception. When I approach a problem, I remove myself from it emotionally because I believe logic is the solution and that an emotion based response will not solve an issue. Whenever another person reacts to something emotionally rather than logically, I have trouble understanding them and their action, and they, likewise, do not understand me because our mindsets are in two completely different places. Then misunderstanding and miscommunication ensues, which typically escalates the emotions involved. By that time I'm so damn confused about what the hell is going on that I can't focus on anything and start shutting down.
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TMV

You make many valid points, and I appreciate them.

Here's the deal, at least with my situation. I too say what I mean and mean what I say. When I tell someone I appreciate and respect them, I do. When it's someone whose known me for a long time, they know where I'm coming from. However, it's when that person has an opinion on something and thinks only their way is the right way. And I'm talking about something they brought up, nothing I asked them their opinion about. Then you see this same person hold different standards to your peers from you, you start questioning their motives and reasoning. As you said, I addressed this up front and to the point with the individual. The reaction I got was not a positive one.

My issue with the Virgo's I know well isn't that they don't show all the lovey dovey crap others do. Even I don't feel comfortable with that. But I do want someone who is honest and genuine. I'm not afraid to tell someone I care about how I feel about them. Sometimes I feel as if Virgo's would rather not be told how someone feels about them, other than their spouse or SO. I don't think most are comfortable with the impact that makes on them. I could be wrong.

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Then you see this same person hold different standards to your peers from you, you start questioning their motives and reasoning. As you said, I addressed this up front and to the point with the individual. The reaction I got was not a positive one.

My issue with the Virgo's I know well isn't that they don't show all the lovey dovey crap others do. Even I don't feel comfortable with that. But I do want someone who is honest and genuine. I'm not afraid to tell someone I care about how I feel about them. Sometimes I feel as if Virgo's would rather not be told how someone feels about them, other than their spouse or SO. I don't think most are comfortable with the impact that makes on them. I could be wrong.



I hold different standards for my peers than I do myself. I don't expect half as much out of them. I can't speak for the Virgos in your life, but someone in mine thinks I'm hard on them, they would never survive what I do to myself on a daily basis. And I would say that if you're in a position where you don't want to deal with a Virgo's butter, then don't. Irreconcilable differences happen.

Honestly, I don't think I want to know how others really feel about it, for better or worse, the sole exception being close loved ones. Partly because I don't care, and partly because those kinds of things affect my performance. It causes me to second-guess myself even more than I already do and I don't need the extra burden. It's inefficient, and it also colors my views of the person holding said feelings.

*shrug*

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TMV

You make many valid points, and I appreciate them.

Here's the deal, at least with my situation. I too say what I mean and mean what I say. When I tell someone I appreciate and respect them, I do. When it's someone whose known me for a long time, they know where I'm coming from. However, it's when that person has an opinion on something and thinks only their way is the right way. And I'm talking about something they brought up, nothing I asked them their opinion about. Then you see this same person hold different standards to your peers from you, you start questioning their motives and reasoning. As you said, I addressed this up front and to the point with the individual. The reaction I got was not a positive one.

My issue with the Virgo's I know well isn't that they don't show all the lovey dovey crap others do. Even I don't feel comfortable with that. But I do want someone who is honest and genuine. I'm not afraid to tell someone I care about how I feel about them. Sometimes I feel as if Virgo's would rather not be told how someone feels about them, other than their spouse or SO. I don't think most are comfortable with the impact that makes on them. I could be wrong.



lol my head hurts
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How do you think I feel? Crap there's only one of you; I have to deal with two of me. 😉

You're alright. Even though virgo's often drive me nuts, you guys always suck me in. It's like being a mosquito drawn into the bug zapper.
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Why do you equate being logical with being right? Emotions = Human. It's ok to be that once in a while.



Why do some people equate being emotional with being right? Logic is another side of humanity. It's okay to be that way too once in a while. 😉

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That's the thing tho Virgos typically dont' attempt to solve problems, they passively aggressively pay you back, by silent treatments, disappearances, etc etc. They never reveal their feelings or thoughts. They expect you to know what irks them. I don't have that kind of focus.



VERY TRUE. Passive Aggressiveness........
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You say that Virgos don't attempt to solve problems. Alright, well let me ask you what makes you think that these Virgos have an answer? Why do you place responsibility on them to be the ones who solve a problem? Does the Virgo also agree that there's a problem in the first place?

Why do you think you get the silent treatment? Why do you assume that the Virgo has anything to say at all? Why do you assume that this person is disappearing on you and not simply having other things to do? Why do you think they should reveal their feelings or thoughts? Why do you think those things are relevant or any of your business?

And more importantly, if someone is continuously treating you with such disrespect, why in the hell do you put up with that butter?
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