Virgos & Religion

All the Virgos I know (myself included) are Christians; and yet, from a practical Virgo point of view, religious faith makes no sense. It is not based in facts. It does not lend itself to analysis. It is definitely a matter of feelings and intuition...

So, my fellow Virgos, why do we believe?

Most Virgos are amoral and we believe in ourselves more than anything else because we get things done in a practical way
its hard for vireos to put they're faith in god because its not practical enough to put our faith in something we cannot see and hear that's because Virgos is an earth sign ruled by tha senses even knowing Virgos do their best to stay pure in some way Virgos are naive to a lot things but curious at the same time blame planet mercury for dat lol

we believe in ourselves more than anything else

And yet, Mother Theresa was a Virgo.

As a boy, I felt The Call to be a pastor, but I could not imagine standing up in front of a congregation and preaching, so I chickened out...

I would say: We learn to believe in our competency.

And yet, even this old Virgo believes that there's more to the universe than mere matter. More to existence than a job well done.

Hummm i wonder the same thing i'm 50\50 just bc all the evil i see in church gives me a bad taste. and i know the history behind the word like who wrote it and why. like king james bible is not that good bc he rewrote the bible so he can be divorce. man has change the word to many times to take it at face value.

To me the church is simply a product of man to bring order of morals, sexuality and the human condition. I am too practical and "God" makes no sense to me. I am facts and science based in thought.

I try to be moral and treat others as I would want to be treated. We are all human and do our best. Religion cannot dictate morals or actions. People will do as they will and going to the church on Sunday to confess and ask for forgiveness does not take away the pain we cause others when we act immoral, wreckless and well human.

I see the church, more so the Catholic church as a self-contained, self-serving entity that abuses not only its members.. but takes advantage of its self-appointed sham to acquire assets, land, power and keep the masses controlled and feeling guilty about being human beings with higher animal instincts.

I have a friend who was a long time Professor of Theology at Harvard, a father of the Catholic Church. I had the opportunity to sit down with him one afternoon and ask him what the its really like. He was at retirement age. He said although for many years the church allowed him to live a moral life, the entity itself is corrupt to the core. He equated it to the likeness of the "Mafia" in the way it operates and takes advantage of the masses for its own benefit.

I have my own thoughts on the matter, however I respect others' rights to their own faith and beliefs.

Sorry if this offended anyone.

tondalea your another Virgo that thinks like me ur right religion has been twisted to fit mans view of how life should be not gods i don't think people have the right to hurt others and go to church and act like all is forgiving that doesn't stop the hurt or pain or suffering that the person is going thru just my personal opinion i don't think ur offending anybody ur just being true to yourself i think everybody should be like dat but its sum people occupation to be fake.

I have studied theology and philosophies of all available organized religions at intermediate level for some years only to find that (freedom of my own soul and purity and independencies of my own thoughts and actions) worth more than anything else in this world and my supposedly destination is somewhere else.

Organized religion is man made to gain control of the crowds, to poison the soul and brains of the innocent with fears and horrible lies.

But if someone wishes is to believe in that stuff, I don't see why not.

I am not religious, but I am spiritual. I personally think that religion is a means of control...And full of hypocrisy. I have no issue with people believing whatever they want to believe, so long as they don't try to push it on me (because I don't try to push my beliefs on others either).

Why do most people believe there is something more out there? I dunno, maybe most people feel that pull, that calling...And to live without it often causes an emptiness in people, and yeah I have seen people go down some pretty dark roads when they don't believe in anything. It's like they seem to lose meaning and purpose in life?

I think when you see pictures such as the most famous one from the hubble telescope, showing heaps and heaps of galaxies and stars, and stars that would be suns in other solar systems etc along with evidence of other planetary bodies...It's very humbling, and I think most people realise that the prospect that we are "it" and that there is nothing beyond us...Well, it's a stale and narrow-minded view of life and the universe...

How also does one explain gut feelings, intuition etc? Some things can be sensed within us, but not necessarily detected by any of our other senses. Is that not a sign that there is more out there than simply what we can see, touch, taste, smell and hear?

Just my view 🙂

Hehe im a virgo, so I figured id give my input. I agree how Qbone person put it, as for myself - yeah not religious.

I believe there are other forces at work in this world... so many other possibilities to life... its hard to say just ONE of them is the answer and the end.

Im stuck with when im dead... im dead, the only thing I can do is, try hard to live as long as I can.

Also agree with Odd... it is narrow minded to think that way.

tondalea: "I am facts and science based in thought."

oddball73: "I am not religious, but I am spiritual."

I think most Virgos are both spiritual and fact based people, but they are hardly ever religious.

Dyr, my Virgo is not religious at all.


In fact, I think I only know one Virgo out of many who are .. just because Mother Teresa was a Virgo, doesn't mean all Virgos are .... as you can see from the responses in your thread.


However, my Virgo is very intuned with the energy of the universe ..... he has awareness that he is apart of the Grid of the Collective, and that 99% of humans believe that their powers of this unity of energy, is too unbelievable to believe that they could possess it, so there must be a God.


So, I wouldn't even call it being spiritual necessary .... more like ... he knows the truth of our existence.

I am a Roman Catholic, and I take great pride in my faith.

During my teenage years as my awareness grew, I became discouraged in living. The Virgo mind analyses everything, and it is pretty easy to come to the conclusion that we are in and of ourselves, insignificant.

My grandmother, a Gemini, was raised highly religious, and ensured I was brought up with knowledge of my faith and the morality in life.

The golden rule she would say " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you "

I was incredibly depressed as a teenager. I failed to qualify for one of the "prestige" schools where I live and ended up in public school. I was a mute, angry at the world and how unfair it was. How my friends had made the "cut" by whatever means of links with people in high places, bribes and so on.

Suicide sounded great. I was living in a house with animosity towards me. I was born a bastard, parents never wed and my father half way across the world.

My grandfather is an old Virgo with little regard for religion and lots for corporal punishment. I was raised and fear and had nothing to ground me, except my faith.

The church was the only constant, God was the only constant. Just the thought of one being loving you, no matter what is incredibly attractive. HOPE and guidance is what religion provides.

People are truly like sheep, often mislead by those false prophets and submit to the wolves of society.
No religion is perfect because people drive it. Sure there is lots of corruption in the Catholic church, but I implore, where is there NO CORRUPTION.

I believe in my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I love God.

"Put not your faith in man, but trust only in God"

Religion does control the masses, it does influence people, it does instill morals and goodness in people. People love to overlook the positives of religion in favour of lambasting it every opportunity they get.

Here are organisations that choose to stand up for positive life style s!
It's an overused saying, however, it always holds true.

The only thing people like more than seeing a Hero rise is to see them FALL.

Sure they may be preaching positive things, but when a priest screws up, all that was done right suddenly accounts for NOTHING?

What hypocrisy!

People just like everything to go along to their beat and on their agenda. People don't like to be told what they are doing is WRONG and Unacceptable.

That's why evils such as peer pressure

I always hear Cancer people talk about their struggles with faith.
The same goes to a lesser extent with the other water signs.

Much like Dyr, I too have oft felt like I was being called to be a priest, but alas, it is not strong enough to compel me to make such a big step.

As a Virgo, I will testify, that Religion from our understanding makes no sense.
But this is where we have to accept our humanity... and as humans we need hope, guidance, a moral compass and a pillar by which we are held together are reminded that GOODNESS is true, LOVE is powerful and LIFE is based on choices.

I agree with tondalea, I would put my self in the agnostic box though, I'm too curious to follow any one religion I enjoy the mystery of life and really don't like to have all the questions answered for me. I have my own set of morals and try my best to not hurt anyone, do unto others and all that jazz! The older I get though the more I'm finding my feet in my beliefs and I get further and further away from religion, I like facts and also progression!

Cajun, you made me think, and is true.

If it is one thing I love to do, it is to provoke thought.

Society is made up of regulations to give everyone a seemingly fair chance. It is a means of control.
Governments, Schools, Prisons, Police departments, Fire Offices.

We humans are sheep who go astray ever so often and need to be brought back to the herd.

There are regulations for everything, so why not the Moral aspect of life?

Ultimately, the Christian bibles all state we will be judged for our actions as people.
Jesus Christ said He would ask

"Did you feed me when I was hungry?"
"Did you clothe me when I was naked?"
"Did you provide shelter for me when I needed it?"

We are all brothers and sisters, how we treat each other means the most to God.

The church is simply an instrument through which we learn, meet, discuss and are reminded of what it means to be a good person.

Posted by satori

Cajun, religion is about keeping people sheep- as it is not believed we are capable of thinking for ourselves. It is this blind faith that keeps us all unaware of the fact that we don't need to work to please God- we will not be judged by God- God is already within us. The more we realize this, the more magical and alive we all become.

We should not be motivated to do good to please God but instead because it makes sense to be good. It is the rational decision for others and ourselves.

How can you say the faith is blind?
We have a book full of teachings and accounts of things people have done in the past, the very same things we all must go through at one point or another.

We ARE Sheep! We need guidance. Otherwise the world would simply fall into chaos, run by people who are stronger, or have more money or have more weapons.

At no point in my argument did I once claim the motivation is to please God. It was completely about how we interact with each other.

Yes we have the capacity of goodness but also for evil! That is why there are so many institutions to regulate the populace!

Not everyone learns the same, not everyone feels the same, not everyone is comfortable with themselves. Not everyone is made to do the things you can do.

Religion is uniform and all encompassing. Many atheists and people who attack religion were brought up in it. Yet they refuse to give it any credit towards their growth as a person.

In and of itself, religion is an instrument.
It is the PEOPLE who misuse it that cause the problems. Blaming the religion on someone's personal failures is just circumventing the real issue THAT person has.

Yes you??ve made your point.. thank you.

Why don't you leave popel with their belief alone??_?

From Moses to Jesus and the Muhammad...!

Religions were created to make us civilised and use (the human fear factor) to controlling our most feared version of ourselves!

Human is the most feared/destructive opponent to any GODS or EVILS out there.

But then??_

Who knows humans better than humans..?

Satori wrote

That is because Religion is hammered into people's heads at birth. They are brought up being told that there is something incomplete in them- a God-shaped hole in them that needs to be filled. They aren't given the opportunity to find the truth within, that far exceeds the truth that you can find from without.

Everyone is capable of finding that truth if they are taught how to.

I am happy you brought this up, because I often see it around me and in myself.
Look at how many movies stars fall victim to drugs and alcohol. They have all this money, fame, nice things yet there is STILL something missing in their life.

I too have felt it, and I would be damn shocked if you have not experienced it yourself. No matter how far we go, how much we gain, how much we do... there is always this longing for more. I know this feeling of emptiness well and the answers my faith has provided for me has worked wonders.

I am very pleased you claim to have this whole feeling as well... Surely you learned something during your time with religion. Or have all your revelations been post this time?

You said that someday we will all be judged by God. It is a leap for me to say that you desire to please him because of this?

This is really a very strong point in people's lives.
Often time they become fixated with "Pleasing God" and formulate their own ways to do so.
With further personal introspection and reviewing of the teachings we come to realise it is how we deal with the people around us that affects our relationship with God.

Like you said, God is in us, he made us wholesome and perfect. But, original sin has diminished our ability to truly interact with Him and understand our relationships with everything around us.

Tell me the words I quoted from the Bible about what Jesus will ask on the day of judgment, do they not strike you as how we relate to each other?

It encompasses empathy, caring, kindness, piety and love.

The Bible says we will be judged on our own merits of how well we treated our brothers and sisters NOT how many times we went to church, or how great we were in not sinning.

Faith is something that calls one to action!
If you knew you were going to end up in a car accident, you would take ACTION to not go out on the roads or in a car.
If we truly believe in our faith we are called to act and as such treat our brothers and sisters with the very same values you hold dear to you.

"people who love one another need no such threat to behave."


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People with the God program cannot understand this, Satori ... your efforts are valiant, however futile.

I really laud your argument Satori, it's very mature and insightful...

Pity most people can't understand these things.

I agree with Satori and P-Angel here.

The mind is a powerful tool open to suggestion or manipulation. I recall in the late 70's, several cults... Jim Jones, the Hare Krishna, etc. Some of the constant, deliberate tactics of some of these sects are to have the followers believe that the only way of acceptance is in the church and surrendering your soul to "God". Some do go as far as to alienating them from their families, depriving them of food and water in the name of "God" in order to "find the way". If they had no family, all the better. Some had to be kidnapped by their own parents to be deprogrammed. In Jim Jones' case, 900 perished. This was repeated in the 90's with the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. This tragedy, 76 perished.

Then you have societies like the Mormons where polygamy, interbreeding with their own children and certain dictations from "God" that are part of the religion.

Another, the Church of Scientology. There's a huge example for a cult right there. Here in Los Angeles, many of the acting classes are sponsored by the C of S and they catch 'em naive and ripe for the pickin' right off the bus to stardom.

To me, the mere fact that Religion as a concept is manipulated by man to create its own sects, purpose and rules shows me right there that "God" itself is a matter of FAITH of the heart and mind. (I feel like I am back in University philosophy class).

Humans by nature do not want to be lonely or alone. This is why we pick mates, have children and create families. Life is certainly not perfect for all of us. This is clear as we see in our daily lives. A void longs to be filled.

The Church is very good at this only because it was created by man and put in a place of wealth and dictation by the elite societies. Not that the Roman Empire was not also controlled by the elite, except without a church...but "Gods". After the multi god societies, it was used to de-bastardize children, stop the Paganism, control sex and bring the masses to order. The British monarchy is a perfect example of this. The King of England didn't drop a dookie without asking the Church's permission first.

Again, I am not trying to say that people aren't entitled to believe what they want. I just don't buy the "program". I'd rather have a good soul and treat people kindly, with good intentions as I would expect to be treated.

Posted by Jason2213
I will try to be the best person I can be, because I believe in my own heart, my own mind, my whole being that it is right.

This is essentially one of the core things in Catholicism. This is how we love God.
The Church is supposed to serve as a meeting place for brothers and sisters and guide us on our journey to do what is right.

tondalea: I see the church, more so the Catholic church as a self-contained, self-serving entity that abuses not only its members.. but takes advantage of its self-appointed sham to acquire assets, land, power and keep the masses controlled and feeling guilty about being human beings with higher animal instincts.

Youch! Harsh!

I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I have great respect for the Church as a vessel for the message of Jesus Christ - bearer of The Good News for going on two thousand years...

I do agree that all organized religions are subject to the same failings as individual human beings. Because of their centrality and importance, when a church screws-up, it hurts the whole Body Of Christ to some degree. And as a Christian, it often hurts me, too...

FYI: I want to thank all y'all for contributing to this thread - it's exceeded my wildest expectations!

Cajun,

Thank you for your thoughtful, eloquent expressions of your faith in this thread. I admire you for your contributions to this discussion.

As for me: I don't believe in God because I desire to go to Heaven, or because I'm afraid of going to Hell.

I believe because my faith is an essential part of who I am as a human being - I would feel incomplete with it.

I was baptized before my 10th birthday - and that was too young for me. I'm considering being baptized again on my 50th birthday - assuming I make it to 22 SEPT 2010! Not because I don't think it stuck the first time, but because I see it as an adult act of worship - a personal sacrifice for the One who was beaten, scourged, humiliated, and nailed to a cross for expressing his faith...

I had to contribute Dyar, no one else seems to be fond of or involved in the faith.

Always happy to see a thread from ya.

My religion completes me as well.

* I would feel incomplete with it. = I would feel incomplete without it. *

I'm Virgo and although I might be in the minority here for what I have read, I am not afraid to share the fact that I am a Christian.

I don't put my faith in religion or people, but I firmly believe in God and in who Jesus said He was and is.

I also think faith can involve analysis and a choice of faith, in my case, did involve real facts and real things as well...not just emotions. There are phases in my walk in which blind faith, per say, was existent, but in order to believe in God I did my in-depth analysis, research, investigation, and study...so for me, believing what I believe does defenitely count with facts and in-depth understanding...

I just started with questioning creation, all the different theories, and the magnitude and complexity and yet pattern in the universe....those facts, for example, are one of those start points towards faith...for some Virgos who are believers like myself.

I have many agnotics and atheist friends though, as well as some jewish, buddist, muslim, new age-ish, quakers, mormons, witness of jehova and anything in between...I love conversations with anyone in this kind of subjects, since the second master degree I am working is in theology and exegesis....so when it comes to understanding this are I am open to listen to every and all thoughts.

I have enjoyed reading everyone else's here 🙂

Virgo is a sign called to serve. I have known many Virgo priests because of this urge to serve. For those Virgos who don't feel called, most find some other outlet -- usually through their jobs and families.

I take exception to people who call the Roman Catholic church corrupt -- usually the same people who don't know anything about it. Most of the people I meet who are RC, priests included, are very kind, giving, and trying very hard to live up to what Jesus taught.

As for the person who said that they want life to be mysterious and don't want their questions answered, I can assure you that after being a Christian for many years, and also a Catholic, that I have more questions than before. Just because you know your catechism doesn't mean you have all the answers.

I converted to Catholicism because it is the religion of the mystics -- and having had many, many mystical visions and experiences over the years, I felt it was the one for me.

And Hitler was catholic and killing of the 75 millions in both world wars, who were behind the killing of 10 millions in India alone by the way? I am not talking about the American murdering Christians. That's another story!

So fuck you and your fucking religion??_

Posted by Qbone
And Hitler was catholic and killing of the 75 millions in both world wars, who were behind the killing of 10 millions in India alone by the way? I am not talking about the American murdering Christians. That's another story!

So fuck you and your fucking religion??_

Oh hell no, u didn't bring Hitler and Catholic together lol.. no I'm kidding. But really Hitler? Catholic?...no Way. I don't believe it. I'm a Catholic, lol. But not religious...

What ? They don't teach history in your schools nowadays..? Damn you guys are stupider that I thought.

Here??_

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=hitler+was+catholic&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8<BR>
And 3,000,000 pages more ??_

Whets next..? Make the Hitler and the Nazi Muslim..?? you americans are damn good to fake history but not when I am around or people like me??_

I haven't had history for like 5 years, lol.. I had no idea. Hm, I guess I learned something new today ----> Hitler was a Catholic, Hell No .. lol....I'm not that religious anyway, so I guess I never really cared to know to begin with :\

You guys certainly know a lot about religion though, I can learn a thing or two from you! 🙂

Domino

It's a funny thing, people just like to jump to conclusions and draw a common thing out of every situation that thus that must be a reason. That is called a scapegoat. Interesting stuff really. I guess because each of these people had toothpaste in their homes too, at the time, must mean that toothpaste is the ultimate evil too. I say down with toothpaste! DOWN WITH IT!



Not as easy as you might think, remember 9/11? Who was to be blamed for..?

Arabs and then the Muslims in general that's how start both Afghanistan and Iraq wars. 19 supposedly highjakers with box cutters were identified as Muslim 3 hours after the attack.


And al qaeda is actually fighting for control over the territories there, believing that it was their land to begin with.

Alqueda (CIA made organisation) are not afghans (Afghans are not Arabs they are mostly part Persians and part Indians and part Turkmen) Alqueda are made of whabie Muslims the most fanatics and most hated sect by the other Muslims around the world.

And then the same Alqueda trained by the CIA (under the name of mujahedin) to fight the Soviet military back in 80??s and to take control of the opium productions (the most profitable business).

That's were the (black budget) comes from, free money to finance revolutions/wars and unrest around the world by the same assholes in the Whitehouse/CIA and DOD.

Under the name of God..?? sure why not these idiots have no shame.Thanks god that pat patterson is dead and eating his asshole in hell just follow this nazi bitch Newt Gingrich you??ll know what I mean.

Maybe not all Muslims are terrorists, but certainly all terrorists are Muslims. this is the mentality of the western hemisphere the same was about the German people back in 50??s-60??s and 70??s hell even now! All are Nazi and racist even they don't have anything to do with the nationalist party.

People are sheeples and following the mainstream media the mainstream media is controlled by the governments and certain groups, what they say is the ultimate truth.