Was he really wrong for this?

This topic was created in the Virgo forum by lnana04 on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 and has 35 replies.
And why do Virgos seem to ALWAYS want to play the victim? This is a recurring theme I've noticed from Virgos through-out the years, starting from my sister on down.

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This was last nights scene from Basketball Wives. She's a Virgo and he is a Cancer and they are trying to divorce. She's the one that wants the divorce, yet she seems to be the one holding it up. As soon as she said her attorney sent to letter you could tell she was lying. I'm starting to wonder if Virgo's can be a bit delusional to the buttons they push in others. I see that she didn't have intentions on it going as bad as it did, as her sole purpose for meeting with him seemed to be for an ego boost, in letting the world know how much he's still checking for her, and he's just trying to move on from a woman he still loves.
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I didn't realize the ending cut off, but he walked off and she walked a little after him saying she'd "eff him up" then she start saying that she couldn't believe he would do that, as if she didn't throw the drink first. She played the victim lol.
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Where do you get that she was lying about her attorney sending him the "papers"? Doesn't come across that way to me. Seems like she was being honest. If you've been watching all previous episodes, he seems a bit spiteful so I wouldn't be surprised if he got the papers and tore them up and threw them in the garbage or some shit like that. Remember that this is the same guy who tried to recruit two of her good friends to be in his movie right after she asked him for the divorce, and it was blatantly obvious that he was doing it only to make her jealous.
While it was childish and downright wrong for her to throw the drink at him, he didn't have to go as far as throwing it in her face. Like really? How utterly disgusting and low. What a gentleman.
He's still in love with her and wants her back and can't handle the fact that she pulled no punches and told him straight up that she knew he still wanted to be with her, and he's pissed that she's more than ready to move on with her life (hence the reason he threw the drink in her face) and doesn't want him back. She's a bit uppity and bitchy and still hurting over the fact that he cheated and therefore wants to bruise his ego by showing the world that she's moving on all the while mentioning that he still texts her that he loves her/wants to be with her, blaze, blaze.
They're both playing games (can be very typical in a Cancer/Virgo pairing). I say it's time for them to sign those papers.
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Posted by 25thDecan
Are things only the way a capricorn sees it? Not being defensive because....most of us in here don't know YOU orTHEM....but....it's easy to claim someone is playing the victim when you're the person who often antagonizes and cannot see it.
Jessaying....if "we" always play the victim...why does it GET to you so much? Do you abhor their legitmacy that much?


This has nothing to do with Capricorns lol. We don't bother nobody, so of course I'll antagonize if I'm being messed with. I think posting this video shows a clear example of how she thinks it's okay for her to throw a glass at him and play victim if he does it back. I won't even post or go into detail about my sister and how FRUSTRATING it can be dealing with her. I just have to leave that one to GOD honestly.
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Posted by VirgoVixxxen
Where do you get that she was lying about her attorney sending him the "papers"? Doesn't come across that way to me. Seems like she was being honest. If you've been watching all previous episodes, he seems a bit spiteful so I wouldn't be surprised if he got the papers and tore them up and threw them in the garbage or some shit like that. Remember that this is the same guy who tried to recruit two of her good friends to be in his movie right after she asked him for the divorce, and it was blatantly obvious that he was doing it only to make her jealous.
While it was childish and downright wrong for her to throw the drink at him, he didn't have to go as far as throwing it in her face. Like really? How utterly disgusting and low. What a gentleman.
He's still in love with her and wants her back and can't handle the fact that she pulled no punches and told him straight up that she knew he still wanted to be with her, and he's pissed that she's more than ready to move on with her life (hence the reason he threw the drink in her face) and doesn't want him back. She's a bit uppity and bitchy and still hurting over the fact that he cheated and therefore wants to bruise his ego by showing the world that she's moving on all the while mentioning that he still texts her that he loves her/wants to be with her, blaze, blaze.
They're both playing games (can be very typical in a Cancer/Virgo pairing). I say it's time for them to sign those papers.


I get that she was lying because she could not keep a straight face. You didn't see that smirk right after she made the comment about sending the papers? Eric was serious, but she couldn't keep it together because she's lying. As he said, it was an email she, or her attorney, sent.
Of course he's trying to make her jealous. The fact that she got so emotional when mentioning Royce's name shows that it's not hard to do, as she's not over him either so why the divorce?
My thing is, Eric has not displayed a wishy-washy or fake personality at all through-out this show. From what I know of the story, he cheated on her before they married, confessed to her which was the right thing to do, she STILL decided to marry him, and withheld sex from him after the marriage causing him to stray. He seems hurt because he still loves her, and would rather not divorce, and angry because she's "brand new" and he obviously d
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and he obviously doesn't know who she is anymore. I think all the games would make ANY man spiteful, and she's still playing them. There was no need for them to meet, but she seem to think it's okay for her to flaunt how she's moving on in his face. It's not okay to play with people's feelings. Eric is Eric, and has always been Eric. Jennifer is whoever/whatever she thinks will hurt Eric. That's not being real. She wasn't being real in marrying him, and she's not being real in getting this divorce. He's suffering through it all, as he could have been happily married to someone else by now.
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Posted by 25thDecan
So....one maladjusted virgo woman on a reality tv series...for which both parties receive compensation/release forms/spotlight, etc is examples of your sister..and thus more virgo women. If you didn't antagonize anyone, then why oh why bring this example and say virgos always play the victim? Hopefully you're venting and not antagonizing. Except for one virgo chick I know very well, the rest get flack for being above the groupthink pettiness but very capable and quickle willing to tell an antagonist why bullies get no love.
It's a dramatic show...it ain't that serious. But please...pay no heed to my virgo-critique....goat...("greates ain't in that acronym either)....



I actually got a few examples of Virgos doing this on reality TV. Here's another one, Mrs. Camille Grammer(Virgo) calling out Faye Resnick(Cancer) and when Kyle(Capricorn) calls her out on doing the SAME THING she switches back to her soft voice and tries to act like its wrong for them to switch it on her. I could post plenty of examples of these type of Virgos from reality television.
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I just posted the one from Jennifer because that episode aired last night, which made me think about this behavior from the Virgos I've watched and come in contact with. In all honesty, I sometimes look at these people in attempts to try to understand my sister. She's really thrown me for a loop with her brand of manipulation. I've been trying to figure if she's being honest, manipulative, or just full of BS, and it's a combination of all, with the majority of it towards the last two, and I finally pinned it yesterday. So yeah, it's mostly venting, but interesting and extremely frustrating to deal with nontheless.
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Posted by 25thDecan
In her defense...have you ever been cheated on? Repeatedly? By your husband? In your capricorn mind....is any pain for another person a reason(not excuse..REASON) for acting out? Because...cheating ISN'T, something to haughtily brush away for anyone who values fidelity.
Nevermind.....tv....carry on ladies...


If my fiance tells me he cheated on me, how hers did, 1st of all, I'm not marrying him, and if I do decide to marry him, which I doubt I will, I'm going to forgive and throw the games out of the window. I'm a Cap though, and although I can't speak for all Caps, I like solid foundations. I'm not going to go into something like a marriage hoping things will get better.
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I personally hate reality tv shows. Can't stand them. I think they are fake. I being a Virgo would not want a camera following me around all the time.
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@Inana04,
Ok, so you filled in some bits and pieces that I wasn't aware of as I don't watch the show on a regular basis so the entire situation makes alot more sense to me now.
With that said, no, I didn't see a smirk but if she is lying then well, shame on her. She's trying to punish him for the infidelity because she hasn't gotten over it.
I saw an episode when they went to couple's counseling and Eric told the therapist, "she doesn't communicate with me", and Jennifer told the therapist, "he put me through alot" (paraphrasing).
Guess it's too bad the counseling didn't work.
I can agree that she is playing games and being childish, and it was wrong to marry that man if she knew her sole purpose was to give him hell. On the other hand, after what I saw in that clip, If Eric is suffering so much then he should get smart and serve her with divorce papers and be done with it so that he doesn't have to endure this abuse from her any longer. If he says he hasn't received any papers, then now would be the time for him to be proactive instead of waiting around in the hopes that she will change her mind (or that the papers will eventually come). If he sticks around, he's an ass and deserves exactly what he gets.
Also, I can only hope that he has turned a new leaf and can now be a faithful boyfriend/husband etc., to any future women he ends up with. It goes without saying that a man from any zodiac sign can be a cheater but since we have made mention of the Virgo/Cancer element here, I will say that from my personal observation, while the Cancer man is the ultimate family man, on the flip side, he can also be the ultimate cheat/player. Settling into a marriage with a wife until they are old and grey comes as easy to him as breathing air but, many cheat their asses off and can literally have their eye on/be in love with 5 different women at one time.
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I don't doubt that there's still alot of love between Eric and Jennifer but other than sticking around to punish him, I really don't think she wants to get back with him and possibly give him the opportunity to cheat on her again (and not saying that he will for sure because maybe he has changed) because being cheated on is like...well...just remembering the experience makes me nauseous. I'm not saying it's right, but I can definitely understand her wanting to make him "feel it" just like I could understand it if the cheater was the woman and the cheatee (making up a word here) the man.
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And to answer your question, no, not all Virgos play victim. "Playing a victim" is not some trait that's exclusive to Virgos alone. We do like perfection, have high standards and can be really hard on ourselves moreso than the other signs in the 'diac, yadda, yadda, yadda, so perhaps with that comes a slightly higher propensity for feeling misunderstood because others view us as always having it "together" and when we start to open up to folks about what's going on on the inside, it can come across as us playing victim because they can't believe that "someone so perfect has problems?" *Rolls eyes*
Personally, I don't like feeling sorry for myself. However, because I'm human, I will allow myself to have those "moments", and so occassionally I'll check out the pity party for a minute or so and say what's up to "depression", "sadness", "hopelessness" and any other "ness" that's hang'n around drinking a brewsky, and then I'm OUT and it's back to introspection: "how can I make this better?", "what can I do differently next time?", "what are the positives?" I don't wallow. My motto is there's always a way to change a circumstance. I think the problem for some people is that they don't know how.
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Lets talk about how he moved into the same building that she lives in he playing games to his a cancer.
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Plus she does not need his money she was born rich her people are rich so she was not after his money she not a cap.
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Posted by virgoking
Lets talk about how he moved into the same building that she lives in he playing games to his a cancer.


How do you know who did what first? Besides, he didn't move into her building. He lives in the building next to her.
She is NOT rich, never was. People have already put her on blast about that. And if your not after someone for their money, then why marry someone you'll torture after the marriage? And lets not talk about Camille Grammer literally chasing Kelsey. Virgos are more slick than Caps are about money, trust. Have you seen a Cap on reality show? Natalie Nunn? She made it known that she wants someone with money. We are very upfront with most things.
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Yes, it is the building across from her. I think it was funny as hell and he IS playing games too. Even Suzie and the others picked up on it with his "movie making". LMAO. He might say well, she started it first but it's just ridiculous. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right and they need to cut it out with this tit for tat business already.
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Posted by lnana04
Posted by virgoking
Lets talk about how he moved into the same building that she lives in he playing games to his a cancer.


How do you know who did what first? Besides, he didn't move into her building. He lives in the building next to her.
She is NOT rich, never was. People have already put her on blast about that. And if your not after someone for their money, then why marry someone you'll torture after the marriage? And lets not talk about Camille Grammer literally chasing Kelsey. Virgos are more slick than Caps are about money, trust. Have you seen a Cap on reality show? Natalie Nunn? She made it known that she wants someone with money. We are very upfront with most things.
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Every where I look online show she come from a rich family makes since because she is so uptight. And Eric cheated after they got married not b4. Look virgo women are suckers for love they forgive way more than other women in the zodiac. I should know my wife is a virgo she should of left a well ago but they really believe in working out a relationship. Thats why they act so crazy when it breaks up.
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Posted by 25thDecan
Upfront isn't better than the intent, lnana04.
Anyhew..many of these people are very narcissistic opportunists. Tv celebs....hardly in tune with other realities. Why should they represent us all?


Being upfront is much better because it allows the other half to make the best decision for them. The other person could be like "your all about money, but it doesn't matter because I like you" and continue to pursue that person, or keep it moving. Don't hide your intentions, then leaving someone heartbroken when they find out what your really about. I don't believe in that.
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Posted by lnana04
Posted by virgoking
Lets talk about how he moved into the same building that she lives in he playing games to his a cancer.


How do you know who did what first? Besides, he didn't move into her building. He lives in the building next to her.
She is NOT rich, never was. People have already put her on blast about that. And if your not after someone for their money, then why marry someone you'll torture after the marriage? And lets not talk about Camille Grammer literally chasing Kelsey. Virgos are more slick than Caps are about money, trust. Have you seen a Cap on reality show? Natalie Nunn? She made it known that she wants someone with money. We are very upfront with most things.

Every where I look online show she come from a rich family makes since because she is so uptight. And Eric cheated after they got married not b4. Look virgo women are suckers for love they forgive way more than other women in the zodiac. I should know my wife is a virgo she should of left a well ago but they really believe in working out a relationship. Thats why they act so crazy when it breaks up.
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They busted her bubble about that. Here's copy and pasted comments about people that know where she's from.
"I know exactly where Jen lived with her parents and the HS she attended. as i said from the beginning, she is a poser of the highest order. there are certain areas of South Orange where you can walk a block and your in the West Ward of Newark and other parts that lie next to Maplewood."
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"it's so true that it's a block from Newark and a few from Irvington. She's lived in EO and her fam's from Newark. I guess she likes to front like she's high class old money like she likes to front like she's got gray eyes. shrug.gif Go 'head girl."
Virgos do forgive ALOT!!!! My sister is a Virgo, and she dated a Scorpio, so believe me I know.
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Here is the whole video. She was soooo shocked after he threw the drink in her face, talking about she couldn't believe he did that after she did it first. How is it possible to just flip it like that, and not realize that you were in the wrong first?
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Inana,
Sooooo...because you've been following this Virgo woman on BW and you have a Virgo sister, you believe that we're all like this?
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Posted by VirgoVixxxen
Inana,
Sooooo...because you've been following this Virgo woman on BW and you have a Virgo sister, you believe that we're all like this?


And I've watched Beverly Hills Housewives and witnessed the same behavior from Kim Richards(Virgo) and Camille Grammer(Virgo), watched bad girls club and saw Flo(Virgo) play the victim, mentioned on here before that Micheal Jackson(Virgo) was very manipulative and used his soft tone to manipulate others into believing he had a harmless innocence about him, and played victim...plus there's my sister who I can write a novel on. As I said before, it's just something I'm starting to notice, and whether it's true or not, it surely "seems" that way, as I stated in my initial post.
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Sounds like someone needs to put down the clicker, and get out there into the real world.
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Posted by CLCNY30
Sounds like someone needs to put down the clicker, and get out there into the real world.



LOL! I agree. Reality TV is not Reality!
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Posted by CLCNY30
Sounds like someone needs to put down the clicker, and get out there into the real world.


I just find it extremely interesting, whether reality TV is real or not, that Virgos keep playing these roles. And Micheal Jackson was the epitome of the "whoa is me/I was attacked" attitude.
Even on here, I've read certain posters use the words "attacked" and "abused" even in arguments.
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btw, Kim Richards was a popular actress, so although she was on the show, she still had a story before then. Very similar to Micheal's.
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Posted by CLCNY30
Sounds like someone needs to put down the clicker, and get out there into the real world.


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I see very few answered my initial question. Do you guys think that he was right or wrong n throwing the drink at her?
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I was friends with a virgo female for 10 years and I won't go so far as saying she played victim but she sure wouldn't take responsibility for crapping all over our friendship, she just wouldn't admit to being a complete jerk, I really jumped through hoops for that friendship (shame on me) I was too young to realize I wasn't supposed to do that but she sure didn't have a problem taking advantage of my doormattish behavior and would argue for hours and I mean hours and would twist shit up, deny deny deny, I guess some virgo women hate feeling cornered. I won't go into details but let's say I walked away with my head held high and she was the one on the shitty end in the end.
As for Erik and Jen, SMH I have no idea why they had to meet up, I can only imagine the show had something to do with that scene and he's clearly not over Jen and in some strange virgo way she appears to be attached to him but not in a loving way, more in a suffer die bitch kind of way.
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" Do you guys think that he was right or wrong n throwing the drink at her?"
I'm on the fence, Erik said some very hurtful things, he really went under the belt talking about her age and how she wasn't relevant but that wasn't just a throw, it was more like a slap in the face b/c damn he threw that drink really hard, she did it first, has she not done that then none of it wouldn't have happened.
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Yep! I told my sister a few months ago that she seems to shy away from ANY type of responsibility. She doesn't seem to understand that if you have a child, you as a parent is responsible for her. She doesn't seem to understand that if she wears, or borrows something and messes it up, she's responsible for it regardless of what freak accident happened. Anything concerning her being responsible for something will get twisted and turned into some weird stuff that will have your head spinning from her not "getting it," but I think she does. She's just manipulative imho.
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I have to say I have a deep affection for virgo's, I got along with my ex-friend, we laughed, shared some good times, maybe we were out growing one another and I had my head up my ass and refused to notice it but yeah I did see the darkside of virgo when I could no longer over look past poor behavior but I've definitely seen worse in other zodiac signs. I've also witnessed her taking back a serial cheater time and time again, I believe they are still friends and may even still mess around, the guy she kept taking back was a capricorn.
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Oh and Inana I've definitely experienced "Anything concerning her being responsible for something will get twisted and turned into some weird stuff that will have your head spinning from her not "getting it," but I think she does. She's just manipulative imho." If I hadn't seen it and experienced it for myself I wouldn't believe you but I had definitely been down that road and it wasn't fun.
It's family....You just have to set some strong boundaries and let it be. I do notice if boundaries are set most virgo's won't cross those boundaries but if you have no boundaries they'll shit all over you if you let em.
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Posted by lnana04
Here is the whole video. She was soooo shocked after he threw the drink in her face, talking about she couldn't believe he did that after she did it first. How is it possible to just flip it like that, and not realize that you were in the wrong first?
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My take on the whole situation first of all I dont think she was lieing reasoning behind my opinion is that if you had taken the time out to watch previous clips you would have realised that she only found out that Eric had lived in the next apartment across from her building because she had obtained his address for her attorney's to send the paperwork
Its agreed upon that Jen is wrong for throwing a drink at Eric in the first place but after coming a long way with him from episode 1-3 her has been a complete ass , being the fact that he is out of the spotlight right now and she is at the top of her game i think he i jealous of her ( he keeps repeating who make her be a basketball wife ) why would you say that repeatedly if u dont want any credit from the show or be seen, i think he is really trying to draw out the divorce so he can ride her co-tail to be on the show longer... Regardless of she being wrong though a decent & respectable man would just walk away two wrongs does not make a right....He is more playing the victim than her and looking for hype
I think she was just shocked at the fact that he would have thrown the drink in her face why she reacted like that... I really dont think she is trying to play devil's advocate or she is playing the victim either because anybody who knows the situation would be tired, she has been cheated on many times by this man and i haven't really seen a sincere apology to her , more than he has always tried to make her look bad to get credits or hype
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