So I've been seeing a Virgo man for a little over a year. About six months ago we stopped sleeping together (my idea) but we still see each other pretty regularly. Anyway, here's my question: why doesn't he ever call me? If I e-mail him he e-mails back right away. If I call and leave a voicemail he calls back right away. If I call and don't leave a voicemail he sees my number on his caller id and calls back right away. And whenever we talk or see each other he always makes it very clear that he's not seeing anyone else even though I don't ask him about that. But he never calls or e-mails me first. Is this just insecurity or what? It's always been like this, sleeping together or not. What's up with that?
virgosgirl I am in the exact same situation as you!!!!
I wish some smart Virgo males (or maybe some females that knew better)posting here would provide the magic answer to what is going on! lol
I just no comprendo nothing, I wish I did.
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Nov 25, 2006Comments: 0 · Posts: 162 · Topics: 17
Welcome to the club!
My Virgo seems interested. Whenever I email him, I get a response. Every time he sees me he acts very friendly. But he doesn't iniate anything.
Sometimes I think it could be because of his Virgic shyness. But, then, I have been pretty explicit about my interest to him. So, there is actually no reason for him to be shy or afraid of being turned down by me.
Sometimes I think he is not that into me. But, then, I have given him at least two clear opportunities to admit to that but he has not admitted it. Also, he seems VERY interested once he sees me.
Then, there are the explanations given here and in astrology websites about the way a virgo acts in romantic relationships. As much as they are relieving to hear, my logic says that something is not right.
Anyways, I am just venting. Sorry, I don't have the answer to your question. I wish I did.
Good luck with your virgo.
FallingForVirgo said "there are the explanations given here and in astrology websites about the way a virgo acts in romantic relationships. As much as they are relieving to hear, my logic says that something is not right."
I also feel like you, my gut tells me something is up, but for now I am going to give my Virgo man the benefit of the doubt and hold on, but I do not know for how much longer...
Hey, it is no fun being a member of this club! lol I may quit soon! 
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Nov 25, 2006Comments: 0 · Posts: 162 · Topics: 17
ESCORPIONA: Hey, it is no fun being a member of this club!
LOL! Tell me about it!
I am also giving the benefit of the doubt to my virgo but I am getting really sick of his inconsistent behavior. I am pretty impatient by nature, and he is for sure pushing my patience limits.
Also, all my friends hate him at his point. They do not believe in the "Virgo wisdom" I have developed reading these things on the internet. I just hope that they are all wrong and that my Virgo starts acting like a grown-up man soon.
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No offence, but please don't believe what your friends say about the man..They don't know him as well as you do..
I can't stand it when people start listening to opinion of others about their own relationships..thats when trouble starts..
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missmorals, at least in my case there is no relationship. And I think I hardly know this virgo any better than my friends. But I do trust my instincts. And I think, my instincts aremy comparative advantage over my friends.
But I do agree that once you're in a relationship you'd better listen to your own heart...
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Yeah instincts are pretty strong for us water signs..and rarely let us down..
Good luck with it all..
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Seriously, I don't understand why it's so hard.
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Nov 25, 2006Comments: 0 · Posts: 162 · Topics: 17
thanks missmorals!
what is so hard p-angel?
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Accepting that another human being is another person and has different needs.
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I accept that everyone has different needs/wants. I am just trying to figure out why this other person who has different needs acts the way he does. And I am trying my best to understand him exactly because I know he's different than me...
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It's because he feels inadequate, inferiour .. being perfectionists is great if you're trying to construct a building .. however, they think they are suppose to be perfect too, in everything they do .. of course, they're human and have a hard time accepting that they err .. they pull away, then .. to analzye what they need to do to be perfect.
Seems pretty silly ..
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But, that is them .. they have to be perfect and can't. It tears them apart inside, and unfortunately, it tears away at the woman who likes him.
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You ladies could always try my method .. I wouldn't suggest it in the beginning, if you're still trying to get him the proper way, but, once you're on the verge of giving up and getting ready to move on .. there's no harm in trying. He might then completely vanish, but, there's nothing lost if you're patience have run out and you're ready to call it quits.
I just took him .. obviously (for whomever in here knows me) I have very little patience and can only tolerate in tiny doses before I lose my shit. So, after an extremely short time with my Virgo, I just told him, "Pack up your shit, you're coming with me" and he did, several months later, I told him, "We're getting married today, call out sick at work" he did. That was 24 years ago.
If you try this - taking complete control - he might tell you to go screw yourself and that's certainly a risk .. but, if you're ready to hit the road anyway, then what harm is done?
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Nov 25, 2006Comments: 0 · Posts: 162 · Topics: 17
LOL @ Shaka! Thank you! He definitely needs a wake up call - or a wake up email! LOL!
Um, I'm not a Virgo male but a female.
I'm guilty of not calling people.
I just don't.
No shyness.
No inferiority complex.
No analyzing the situation.
No fear of being rejected.
No quest for perfection.
I just don't.
I figure once every 3 or 4 days is fine. Sometimes less.
If they want to talk more than that, they can call me.
However, if there's something wrong or some problem I'll call more to be there for them, make sure they're ok, and offer my help if they need it.
If I'm *deep* in a relationship I'll probably call more often 1)because I like that person a lot -and- 2)because they usually *want me* to call them more. It still won't be every day though. I like a little space. I imagine guys are even worse with this.
I don't know if that helped at all.lol
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Nov 25, 2006Comments: 0 · Posts: 162 · Topics: 17
P-angel, wow, that's very courageous what you did 24 years ago. I wonder what my virgo's reaction would be if I did something like that to him! Especially because I am not known for my explicit aggressivity! But I'll keep your suggestion in mind... 
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I figure, what the heck .. if all else fails
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Jan 18, 2005Comments: 0 · Posts: 1857 · Topics: 45
"About six months ago we stopped sleeping together (my idea) but we still see each other pretty regularly. Anyway, here's my question: why doesn't he ever call me?"
Just my birds eye view.....but if I was "intimate" with someone and after six months they suddenly told me they no longer wanted to sleep with me any longer.....I could not help but take that "real, real personal" - a sign that they found me unattractive etc. and I'd begin to detach big time - men have big egos.....women even bigger:-)
Maybe I am talking from last weekend's experience where I was "rejected" by a certain Mr. Virgo for a whole nite because I accidentally spilled and broke some glasses of his........he chose the wrong person to reject! as he soon found out the next morning:-) I digress......but anyway....
alana x
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I thought about that, too, Ax
Why DID you decide to stop sleeping with him?
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As I said,P-A..I accidentally swept some wine-glasses on the floor from table with duvet cover.Up jumps Mr.Virgo like a demon possessed!and immediately gets out brush etc.and picks up broken bits..I say "sorry - it was an accident." In he jumps into bed, clothes still on and sleeps with his back to me all nite-at other side of bed...(the bed can become a battle-field!!)-I make 8! attempts to coax him around but all in vain:-) and am told or snapped at -"It's time to sleep now."In the morning, he's still bundled up like a tortoise in the bed proclaiming to me-"It's time to sleep-I am tired."Never before has this happened to me..on the way home, I ask him what was up?He replies that I never said"sorry" for breaking the glasses.I say you are mistaken for that..you were so busy clearing up, you didn't hear me"..I then say - so you think it's ok to reject me for a whole nite!!!I don't think so!.you chose the wrong person to "reject" with your rejection act!!!!"One word leads to another and Alana begins to raise her voice despite the fact that there are people passing amused!!I thrive on this reaction - Mr. Virgo hates it.He tries to change subject and says-"let's go to the bettingshop to do a football bet".I reply - "The only bet you can be sure of, Mister, is that you won't be seeing me again!!I don't do rejection well - in fact, I don't do it at all!!!One nite of rejection is one too many in my lifetime!! and you know how I will operate if I am rejected - (me alluides to now being with someone else".we stare at each other for what seems eternity - his brown eyes piercing my green!!if looks could kill, he'd be RIP that very instant".I turn on my heel and trot home.He rings a while later asking for an apology..I say you'll be waiting till the end of time till you get that out of me. He's insistent that he is right and I am "very wrong". He centres on the "broken glasses" while I am centreing on the "nite of rejection"!As everyone knows, I have a big issue with "rejection" going way back.He says to me, so are you saying you want to break up because of this?..impulsively, I retort.."consider it already done!..you did it last nite when you chose to reject me"..over and out!!!! Flamin nora, even as I am writing this, I see how childish and dramatic I am being.....we are both on different pages....he's zoned in on his virgo neatness....I'm zoned on about my aquarian detachment.I didn't mean to say I wanted to break up-Oh another silly-moo chapter in the life and
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times of Ms. Alana and Mr. Pony-tail........
And even now, not for all the tea in China, will I now ring and make the first move! Actually, my mobile has rang lots but no-one is speaking when I say hello...I know it's him....I can hear his flamin' pet birds squeaking the background.....if those birds could write....their brains are bigger than this bird! some times:-)
Anyway, I am sure I am boring the socks off everyone with these tit-bits....and sorry for hi-jacking this thread....sometimes i guess it's all about Alana:-)
ciao for now P-Angel.
Alana x
Thanks everyone for your comments so far. It's a big help to be reminded that I'm not the only one feeling like this.
So. We had been seeing each other for a little over six months. He kept going back and forth about being "friends" or being more than friends. I told him that I cared for him a lot but that it was too confusing for me to be intimately involved with someone who couldn't decide if they wanted to be with me or not. After that talk I didn't call him for three weeks. He finally called me then.
Since then, we've been seeing each other just as often as before, talking, e-mailing. But I always call him, or I always e-mail him. He always responds quickly but never initiates.
It's not a problem that I don't hear from him very often. I don't like to talk on the phone much either. I'm constantly wondering though, is he just not that interested? Logically, I should just cut him off and move on. But my instincts are telling me otherwise. Typical Pisces. I mean, even if we were just friends, completely platonic, no history, why doesn't he ever call or e-mail first?
I wish that I knew what to do to assure him that I am interested and think that he's fantastic just the way he is. I guess I'll just be patient and hopefully he'll see my continued contact as evidence of my interest.
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lol, Alana .. ok, here's the thing from a person who is sitting on the outside of this situation, looking in .. so, emotions got a little out-of-hand, I guess we can all do this at the moment, it's perfectly natural for him to anger and you to feel slighted.
But, now that's it said and done .. look at it for what it means .. it was an accident, not an "on purpose" .. seriously, I see no reason why you should apologize for anything. Now, if you picked up the glass and hurled it across the room, that would be different. He's sulking about it, instead of being an adult.
The ONLY reason a person would do what he did was to punish you .. I know that as you look back, you're thinking maybe you were a little hasty in agreeing to not see each other anylonger .. but, really, Ax, think about it .. if it's in him to feel justified to punish you for an accident, then how good of a catch is he?
If you accept this behaviour .. then what happens the next time you're human and have another accident? You will, you know, because you are a human being - NOT perfect. What then? Another punishment?
If it were me, I'd be looking at whether he's even worthy of me to put forth any more effort because he thinks it's up to him to punish me for an accident. He's not my god or my father, so .. wtf??????
Anyway, that's me .. you are you ..
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"I told him that I cared for him a lot but that it was too confusing for me to be intimately involved with someone who couldn't decide if they wanted to be with me or not."
Oh, I feel you on that .. I would likely have the same reaction. Intimacy is a HUGE thing for girls .. I bitch about the lack of it, and passion, nearly everyday in here and in real life. I'd probably pull away sexually, too.
I mean .. if I ain't getting what I need - intimacy, then he ain't getting what he needs - sex. Two-way street, you know?
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"Only a relationship with mutual love and passion would last and is meaningful to me. Finally, he has showed me that he is not there with me (or rather, finally, I could "see" it). I love him and respect his wish, thus decided to leave him alone from that point on."
Wow, scopiogoat .. I'm really sorry he did this to you .. sometimes, you just want to strangle the life out of them for being so insensitive .. mutual love and passion is essential and sometimes I think with these Virgo men and all their "Maturity" bullshit is deserving. Yes, it hurts us at the moment .. but, in the long run .. THEY are the ones alone for the rest of their lives, THEY are the ones who miss out on wonderful and endearing people .. so, it's thier loss .. not yours. 
Screw him, he's not worth it .. there's a man waiting for you, who will turn your world upside down and make you feel like a complete and cherished woman .. to him, your wonderful qualities will be appreciated.
My sanity has returned...
After I spent several hours writing a letter to him that I did not send. It was 5 pages long and it stated all the mixed messages he has been giving me for the last 2 months or so, but since yesterday I took the day off, I sent him a text message telling him I wanted to see him, that I was flexible about the time since I was playing hooky from the office. He called me back and we met for lunch at 2:30 pm. We had lunch, talked about non consequential stuff. Then we went in the shopping center looking for lamps for his bedroom, he wanted my opinion. Then I told him I wanted to talk to him about how I was feeling and we went to my house, it was very near by the center, and I made expresso coffee and told him what was on my mind.
Guess what????
The guy had no idea he was giving me mixed messages... I spoke my mind. Lots of what I had written on that letter. He thanked me for telling him how I felt, he said to start all over again, I told him that is not possible, but ok to continue from where we were...
One thing I did not like, it is he likes to label everything. He kept insisting that he wanted to have a "casual" relationship. I asked him what that meant? And basically he said just date and see where it takes us, and told him that is what I wanted. (I say the label stuff because when he has introduced me to his friends and his family to each individual he introduced me, even if they are all there at the same time, to each person he has said.... This is my "friend" _____. I told him yesterday, hey you just want to make sure everybody sees me as your friend and not your girlfriend. Yesterday the label was "casual"...
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Continuation...
I was reading his body language, and my conclusion the guy is afraid of a serious relationship. I told him he was afraid of me, and he said why do you say that, and I told him well I just know.... His body language was easy to read, arms crossed on top of his chest, keeping a distance, blah, blah blah...
We hugged, kissed lightly and he had to go!
But anyway, I had decided what I am not going to give any more of my time and energy to this relationship, que sera sera! and that will be it, and that is all...
Here is the email he sent me last nite . I am not writing, nor responding to him, let him make the effort if he is so interested. I still got the vibes that he is not into me as I would like so it is time to say NEXXXT.
His emails in the past has had terms of endearment but here just besos, which means kisses.
He wrote...
"Thank you again ____ for sharing your feelings with me. I appreciate your openness. Have a very good night, and I will talk to you soon. By the way, I absolutely love your hair... Besos, ____"
So that is all there is to it, and reading the stories of the other ladies that have posted here, it seems we all are going through very similar insane situations and I can relate but for me I have decided that I can not handle the pull/push and my Virgo man can NOT get into me (for whatever reason, whether because he is a Virgo or whatever) as I would like, so it is time to let go!
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Escorpiona .. this is the fourth entry about a V-man and having to say, I'm sorry about the treatment .. that in itself should say something. We spend more time having to endure bad moments with them, then good .. it's not suppose to be that way, you know?
Another Virgo .. alone in the world .. and it's his own damn fault. I just can't find sympathy for this (him) because they do it to theirselves. What in the world do all us Non-V's have to do to get it through their thicks heads, that it's a FEELING not a THOUGHT?
You can't think the heart .. it's not rocket science to comprehend this.
Oh, well, Es .. you're right .. it's time .. sorry you had to suffer through one of them .. as caring as they claim they are .. they certainly are refusing to grasp that they hurt us more so than love and protect our hearts.
Ok, so I found a passion in them .. they're passionate about rejecting thier partners.
Badge of Honour .. carry it around and be proud .. and the thing is, they've absolutely no clue that this ISN'T a good quality .. they think it's maturity. lol
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However, it seems to just be the males .. if you listen to the female Virgo's, they are very sensitive and endearing .. what's up with that?
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However, it seems to just be the males .. if you listen to the female Virgo's, they are very sensitive and endearing .. what's up with that?
Yep, my 29 yrs old is a Virgo and she is indeed very sensitive and giving! And of course loving, but hey I am mama! lol 
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ESCORP.....Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater....yet. Just ignore him for a while, and if he doesn't come calling, well, then forget it. I think at some point everyone gets rejected somehow. Some people don't even realize they are being that way. The virgo nature, is to to act cool and aloof so that when we are rejected, we've already built us a comfy little wall that says"Aha I was smart! I saw that coming!" But, the joke is on us because we became the the catalyst of our own misfortune. In being afraid of being rejected we actually bring it on. Sensitive to a fault, we need to feel safe, and I know that sounds baby-ish but it's true. Virgo's are in the business of building fortresses around their hearts. We are kind of like a coconut. There's really good stuff in there, if you can just break it open. (Maybe he needs a good wop on the head!)
Scopiogoat -- i am so sorry to hear of your paris trip and his cruel, unfeeling, cold behavior..... they don't get it! and yes, they are afraid of us and our passionate feelings/emotions -- they cant handle it -- that says it all doesn't it?
thanks for your kind words and i agree and feel the same -- thanks to everyone for listening to me (even tho i am the bad person who is being judged --i don't judge those who judged me...)and giving me advice and support when i needed it...
it hurts and makes you cry and listening and talking to others tho going through same/similar things is very helpful... thank you all..
i have stopped all contact and plan on continuing that path....
best wishes to all of you and SG - you will find a real man with real feelings...
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You're welcome scopio .. I feel for you, know exactly what you're going through and if there is ever time you need to talk again .. I'm here everyday. 
"even tho i am the bad person who is being judged"
linda, don't claim this position .. you are far from a bad person. Quite the Contrary, you're sweet and always supportive of people. Don't take that assessment from ANYBODY.
We make mistakes .. all of us .. what's important is that we take what we've learned and use it to make our lives better and happier .. nobody can ask more than that of us, and if that's not good enough for someone .. then the problem is theirs, not yours.
One day soon, I expect all of us to be in here posting about a love so beautiful in our lives that we wake each morning being thankful to live another day.
We can .. we will .. because we love.
Thanks P-Angel, you're great.... thanks for your wisdom and nice words of support... we all have to answer to our God and yes, i too wish us all happiness, strength, wisdom and love...
Linda, I agree, don't let anyone bring you down on what you did! Besides it is done and no way of turning the clock back... Life is live and learn and they are not mistakes, they are lessons!
You seem like a kind caring person!
Virgo men just makes us crazy! lol 
PS Jwalker THANK YOU for your kind advice and words of hope!
PSS Sgoat oh la la, Paris, tres jolie! I hope la cite d'amour was alright even if your Virgo mas was less than desirable... Thanks Escorp and Scopiogoat -- you both seem very nice and kind hearted women as well... yeah, it's too bad we can't all meet up and go out and have fun.... that would be great....
i did get tickets last week to see the band he turned me onto... the band is coming to my hometown at end of march.... i am sure he expected to receive an email from me asking him if he was going to concert too.... but i am proud of myself -- i didn't send him a thing! in fact, i am going to take my oldest daughter to the concert with me... i may see him there but hopefully after another couple of months of no contact i will be happy and healthy (heartwise) and able to withstand seeing him/knowing he's in town... i think so, i feel stronger each day that i don't contact him... i still think about him but know i need to move on and work on my relationship with H.... see if that can be salvaged and find love with him again... that's my goal...
anyway, i don't want to stop talking to you guys but don't want to dwell on Virgos and all their weird psychoses anymore! but it's always fun to chat.... we'll just have to discuss other topics....
Escorp - i do hope it works out for you and your Virgo but i can't help but think/see/hear such similarities that i don't know how promising it is... just be on your guard -- guard your heart that is....
and SG - yes, it is good to have closure, but yet there is that small part of you that still goes over conversations and things and trys to 'figure' him out still.... that too will past with time tho... glad you had fun in paris - but i know it could have been so much more with the Virgo -- his loss though!!
Je suis new ici, sgoat but before joining, I was reading the posts, so I followed lots of you'all stories. I posted while you were on vacation, it was a total drama but pretty under control now...
And c'est la vie! 
PS I agree, it's great to have girls' nite out. A group of my friends used to have "the g/fs club" and it was so much fun but then they started to fall in love and left the club. There are few members left, including me! lol