Is there a chance he might also feel more than friendship?

This topic was created in the Aquarius forum by Helen29 on Thursday, January 4, 2018 and has 89 replies.
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Hello.


I am a Libra girl and for the past eight months I have known an Aquarian man from work. At first he asked me out and we had a few dates but he quickly switched interest to someone else. He is one of those guys with a bunch of women always after him and a long list of dates going on so I guess we never really got to know each other at all.


He moved on for a few months and then we got thrown together during a work project and spent a bit of time together. Things changed then and we became friends (with a lot of flirtation). At this point I pretty much knew he was kind of a womaniser so I didn't let him get back involved with dating me because I am kind of old fashioned, but he still wanted a relationship to grow with me platonically (although it's not really platonic!) and I was curious so let it unfold a little.


Very slowly over time, things completely changed with us and the evasive social butterfly I thought he was disappeared and instead this really sweet, sensitive, honest and kind of insecure guy took his place. He seemed to get close to me very, very, very slowly, but when he did the way he behaved with me completely changed.


He now talks to me all the time, maybe every day and sometimes several times a day and he seems to want to spend as much time around me as possible. He used to be such a player, but now if I call or text him he replies in seconds and he always wants to talk to me. I tend to take priority over his dates so he only really goes on them if I'm busy or not available.


Before he seemed only interested in surface conversation or flirting, but now he always delves really deep into me, my life, my feelings and he shares his with me really openly almost like best friends I guess but there's definitely a very romantic undertone going on. He's pretty vulnerable with me and he confides in me about everything but our contact together is never platonic in nature. It always involves hand holding and this kind of thing.


He's really kind to me and supportive and kind of bends over backwards to make me happy. He gives me the best compliments; not just the obvious kind like telling me I am beautiful (which he does all the time) but the kind of compliments that make me feel like he's watching and observing everything I do and say and has worked out all the good things about me and know what they are. It's a bit like he really took his time to decide he really liked me, so now I know it really means something. His compliments are always kind of left field, like never cheesy but always stuff that's so personal to me.


He also seems to consider my opinion as the most important question in everything - it's hard to explain that but it's like he wants me to guide him and tell him what I think and then he always listens to me. I let him know I wasn't impressed with the womanising and he kind of told me he wants to change and be different and he's made definite positive improvements on that front and kind of demonstrated to me that it's changing. It's hard to describe properly but it's almost like he wants to just please me all the time and that makes me feel really disarmed because he's kind of like a little kid in a way.


I've fallen in love with him, and while I haven't told him that I have told him that I like him as more than a friend and that I'd like to see what happens with us and he didn't really react in a direct way to that so I don't really know is what he actually feels and wants in return.


His suggestion was really for us to spend time together as friends / on casual and fun dates enjoying our time together which is what we are currently doing and he says maybe that this is his route to actually getting to know a woman for once and being with her for the right reasons. We're not officially dating, but we are technically dating I guess because we go out on the dates and there's lots of affection and a lot of PDA but I still feel a bit like he is not 100% sure.


I feel a bit like maybe because he didn't explicitly say he wanted to date me that maybe he's not sure about what he wants or feels and might be looking around for someone else. It's hard to explain but half of me feel like I am friendzoned and the other half feels like it's crazy to think that because his behavior is very romantic in nature to me.


Do you think from an Aquarian man perspective that he might feel more for me than friendship and that there is potential for him to fall in love with me too? I read that Aqua men just tell you directly if they love you so this has made me feel like maybe it's wishful thinking from me.

Peoples do change.


Dont count him out just because he was a player.
I don’t like that he still goes on dates with other women
If I have to guess at his state of mind it's probably "I like her but I am not sure". This is my guess of things based on who and how he is. He is honest, but I think he is also not certain what he wants or feels otherwise he'd say it.


He has never had a committed relationship with anyone (he's 27) and he has no other close female friends or really anything serious with anyone before apart from a high school girlfriend. His normal pattern is to date women for a week, a month or even six months but there's never any emotional connection or real exclusivity because he says he hasn't met the right person.


He can pick and choose from any women, and he says most of them he meets are happy to date him and sleep with him without commitment or with the hope he will eventually give it (he never does). He says I am really the only woman who's ever refused to accept his terms and set firm boundaries for him and while that was initially a turn off he now likes it.


He says he wants a committed relationship and is ready for it and I explained to him that if he wanted that he had to change. He took this on board and he has cut back on the dating and broken it off with the various women he was seeing casually (not for me but for him). Actually he stayed at home alone on New Years for the first time in years (he usually spends it with a date) and he called me at midnight and said, "see, I am changing!"


He says that up until now he has always had casual relationships with women that were purely sexual and he wants to change things and get out of this pattern but he is not very good at it, so he said he wanted to focus on spending more time growing our "friendship" and less time chasing women and so far he has been true to that and there's been big changes in his behavior. this past week he has been home everyday and talked to me every night. A few months ago this was unheard of, he was never alone and without a woman.


It's good in some ways obviously that I am different or special in some way, because he treats me better than other women and also good that he wants to change and feels ready but I guess while I see I play a role in the changes in him I still don't really know what he feels for me.


It's only been about 7 weeks since I told him I liked him as more than a friend, and in that time he's taken me on quite a few romantic dates and we've had a great time and grown closer and closer but he hasn't said he's stopped looking for other women. Maybe he is!


I really don't know and honestly I don't think he has ever been in love before so even if he was I don't think he'd be great at handling it.
He has also said a few times the last few weeks that he doesn't want to lose my friendship. He does try it on with me (wants to have sex) but I always say "no" because I need commitment for that so at the moment he's accepted my terms of dates together and see where it goes.


He said to be yesterday that I was more than just sex to him now, so he was going to focus on growing that and making sure he did right by me. This is all nice and honorable and everything but I kind of want to scream at him to commit to me lol.


I really just don't know what's going on, it's a bit like I am dating him unofficially and I am not sure if that's good or bad. He's trying to change a bad, womanising pattern with no experience of just dating normally or being committed to anyone.
Yes, he is emotionally unavailable. At least when I dated him he was textbook emotionally unavailable. Now things are very different form that and he's really emotionally available to me. He almost did a 180 from being the coldest most arrogant guy to being basically like a puppy dog in my lap. This is all good and he's obviously connected to me in some way he never has before but I am still unsure all this means he has actual interest in me for a romantic relationship because that's not been expressed.
He values his friends over flings. That’s why your a priority for him, your a friend.
So do you think that means I am JUST a friend?


I know no one can easily answer that but obviously for me there's certain boundaries for friendship too (like no hand holding, kissing and romantic dates!) and I don't want to get badly hurt here.
Sure, it's a compliment and I am really happy he feels this way about me, but also if that's what he feels for me only then it's got to be taken down to a purely platonic relationship smile He can't be going around kissing his friends!
What ta heck it means ‘I like her but I am not sure...’?

Posted by Helen29
Sure, it's a compliment and I am really happy he feels this way about me, but also if that's what he feels for me only then it's got to be taken down to a purely platonic relationship smile He can't be going around kissing his friends!
He can!
Posted by AerialView
Posted by Helen29
Sure, it's a compliment and I am really happy he feels this way about me, but also if that's what he feels for me only then it's got to be taken down to a purely platonic relationship smile He can't be going around kissing his friends!
He can!
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I have been firm Jade. When we were dating and he was flaky I walked away. When we were friends and he hits on me, I say "no". I am calm with him but very firm.


What I can't do is FORCE him to feel romantically for me, so at the moment we are kind of friends which may or may not blossom so I have to really set some kind of limit on that. At the moment, we're pretty much dating and doing romantic activities so I guess if he starts dating someone else then that'll be it, over for me but if we continue as we are for a few weeks then maybe we come to a point of being official.


With him making big changes and positive steps it doesn't feel like the right time for ultimatums.


I'm not afraid of losing him I don't think, I am afraid of my ego / insecurity messing things up maybe. I did walk away from the relationship a couple of months ago (I said he was too mixed up) and he was pretty devastated by it which was the catalyst for all these changes. He was incredibly unhappy and said he didn't want to lose me.


On the other hand, if he really DOES just want to be friends, then this guy is a fantastic person so maybe that can be all it is
No, no don't worry I didn't think you were being mean. I just think I have been quietly firm and held my boundaries with him very carefully (If I hadn't he'd be gone lol)


Ha ha, I know how you feel. I don't feel insecure with him...just puzzled probably He acts like he's in love and then says we're "friends". It's just not what I am used to.
If you can, simply take him at his words and don't try to read between the lines. Let him lead, but don't be afraid to also make your own decisions. I won't tell you which is the better choice, but I can say that it sounds like there's potential for something really good here.


If you're comfortable with this and moving at this pace, then do that. Aqua is ruled by Uranus AND Saturn, and you kind of have to gauge what's dominant at that moment.


You sound like you have the desire to see what happens; go into this with no expectations from him and you'll be fine. Enjoy it while you're in it and when the enjoyment ends (if it does), then it will be pretty obvious to you, him, or both of you.
Lol. @OcJack I'd make a pretty bad FWB if he's been around for 8 months and had no sex from it smile

Posted by JadeAlexander
Posted by sultrykitty
If you can, simply take him at his words and don't try to read between the lines. Let him lead, but don't be afraid to also make your own decisions. I won't tell you which is the better choice, but I can say that it sounds like there's potential for something really good here.


If you're comfortable with this and moving at this pace, then do that. Aqua is ruled by Uranus AND Saturn, and you kind of have to gauge what's dominant at that moment.


You sound like you have the desire to see what happens; go into this with no expectations from him and you'll be fine. Enjoy it while you're in it and when the enjoyment ends (if it does), then it will be pretty obvious to you, him, or both of you.
Can you explain the Saturn and Uranus thing further?


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Uranus (the traditional ruler of Aquarius) is very unpredictable. Hot, cold, outgoing, reclusive

Someone with heavy Uranus can be erratic and confusing; they can often switch quickly from one thought, feeling, or activity (or interest) to another. They are often completely unaware of how frustrating it can be for people, especially those who need stability and consistency. Ironically, that's *exactly* what a Uranian needs - a stable and consistent partner, but one who can handle and adjust to the flighty, all over the placeness that Uranus can bring.


Saturn is "father time", and is considered a modern co-ruler of Aquarius. Like Capricorn, Saturn understands too easily how quick decisions can cause trouble (Uranus just doesn't gaf). So every move, thought, decision has to be carefully analyzed so that they don't get hurt or "ruin" something. Saturn does reward, though. But you *have* to be patient. There's no forcing or even nudging an outcome that you want with these people.



Hmm something is keeping him from seeing you as a romantic prospect, hence the mixed signals and not wanting to take things further.
I'm sure he did have sex with other people - as I said - we are not a couple and only started going on dates over the last few weeks and I outright called him a womaniser. You haven't really read what was written and have come on here with an agenda to try and make people feel stupid and when that failed you've outright called them stupid. Please grow up.

Posted by Moonbutter
Hmm something is keeping him from seeing you as a romantic prospect, hence the mixed signals and not wanting to take things further.
I have thought this. I am not sure what it is though!
Posted by OCJack
Posted by LadyNeptune
He values his friends over flings. That’s why your a priority for him, your a friend.

You of all people are this gullible? His friends ARE his "flings". Aquarius is one of the main denominations among FWB/NSA situations. He "values his friends" in this sense because he can remain at a distance and manipulate 100 women into sex whenever he wants.


Which is why it's hilarious OP is even thinking about this, talk about no standards. She doesn't care that he was face to face with her and had a chance to be with her, but literally right after just skipped on down to pussy creek and stuck his dick in like 10 other bitches. But she's just, cool with that basically. That's how badly he actually DevalUES her but whatevs.


I mean god damn no man has a bunch of bitches after his nuts and he's "just friends" with them. That's the oldest trick in the playa book, and you just fell for it?

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Yawn. You mistake me for someone who cares.
I don't fit into any of your categories there obviously so you disproved your own theory. I suspect you're category three though Big Grin
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Posted by JadeAlexander
Posted by sultrykitty
If you can, simply take him at his words and don't try to read between the lines. Let him lead, but don't be afraid to also make your own decisions. I won't tell you which is the better choice, but I can say that it sounds like there's potential for something really good here.


If you're comfortable with this and moving at this pace, then do that. Aqua is ruled by Uranus AND Saturn, and you kind of have to gauge what's dominant at that moment.


You sound like you have the desire to see what happens; go into this with no expectations from him and you'll be fine. Enjoy it while you're in it and when the enjoyment ends (if it does), then it will be pretty obvious to you, him, or both of you.
Can you explain the Saturn and Uranus thing further?


Uranus (the traditional ruler of Aquarius) is very unpredictable. Hot, cold, outgoing, reclusive

Someone with heavy Uranus can be erratic and confusing; they can often switch quickly from one thought, feeling, or activity (or interest) to another. They are often completely unaware of how frustrating it can be for people, especially those who need stability and consistency. Ironically, that's *exactly* what a Uranian needs - a stable and consistent partner, but one who can handle and adjust to the flighty, all over the placeness that Uranus can bring.


Saturn is "father time", and is considered a modern co-ruler of Aquarius. Like Capricorn, Saturn understands too easily how quick decisions can cause trouble (Uranus just doesn't gaf). So every move, thought, decision has to be carefully analyzed so that they don't get hurt or "ruin" something. Saturn does reward, though. But you *have* to be patient. There's no forcing or even nudging an outcome that you want with these people.



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Posted by sultrykitty
If you can, simply take him at his words and don't try to read between the lines. Let him lead, but don't be afraid to also make your own decisions. I won't tell you which is the better choice, but I can say that it sounds like there's potential for something really good here.


If you're comfortable with this and moving at this pace, then do that. Aqua is ruled by Uranus AND Saturn, and you kind of have to gauge what's dominant at that moment.


You sound like you have the desire to see what happens; go into this with no expectations from him and you'll be fine. Enjoy it while you're in it and when the enjoyment ends (if it does), then it will be pretty obvious to you, him, or both of you.
Can you explain the Saturn and Uranus thing further?


Uranus (the traditional ruler of Aquarius) is very unpredictable. Hot, cold, outgoing, reclusive

Someone with heavy Uranus can be erratic and confusing; they can often switch quickly from one thought, feeling, or activity (or interest) to another. They are often completely unaware of how frustrating it can be for people, especially those who need stability and consistency. Ironically, that's *exactly* what a Uranian needs - a stable and consistent partner, but one who can handle and adjust to the flighty, all over the placeness that Uranus can bring.


Saturn is "father time", and is considered a modern co-ruler of Aquarius. Like Capricorn, Saturn understands too easily how quick decisions can cause trouble (Uranus just doesn't gaf). So every move, thought, decision has to be carefully analyzed so that they don't get hurt or "ruin" something. Saturn does reward, though. But you *have* to be patient. There's no forcing or even nudging an outcome that you want with these people.



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Thank you, sir. I enjoyed writing it. smile


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Posted by AerialView
Posted by sultrykitty
Posted by JadeAlexander
Posted by sultrykitty
If you can, simply take him at his words and don't try to read between the lines. Let him lead, but don't be afraid to also make your own decisions. I won't tell you which is the better choice, but I can say that it sounds like there's potential for something really good here.


If you're comfortable with this and moving at this pace, then do that. Aqua is ruled by Uranus AND Saturn, and you kind of have to gauge what's dominant at that moment.


You sound like you have the desire to see what happens; go into this with no expectations from him and you'll be fine. Enjoy it while you're in it and when the enjoyment ends (if it does), then it will be pretty obvious to you, him, or both of you.
Can you explain the Saturn and Uranus thing further?


Uranus (the traditional ruler of Aquarius) is very unpredictable. Hot, cold, outgoing, reclusive

Someone with heavy Uranus can be erratic and confusing; they can often switch quickly from one thought, feeling, or activity (or interest) to another. They are often completely unaware of how frustrating it can be for people, especially those who need stability and consistency. Ironically, that's *exactly* what a Uranian needs - a stable and consistent partner, but one who can handle and adjust to the flighty, all over the placeness that Uranus can bring.


Saturn is "father time", and is considered a modern co-ruler of Aquarius. Like Capricorn, Saturn understands too easily how quick decisions can cause trouble (Uranus just doesn't gaf). So every move, thought, decision has to be carefully analyzed so that they don't get hurt or "ruin" something. Saturn does reward, though. But you *have* to be patient. There's no forcing or even nudging an outcome that you want with these people.



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Thank you, sir. I enjoyed writing it. smile


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Posted by Moonbutter
Hmm something is keeping him from seeing you as a romantic prospect, hence the mixed signals and not wanting to take things further.

Hmm another dumb chick, not understanding how men tick, pretending like she does. Repeat after me, the only possible situations with a man are:


-He spends time with women because he's fucking them.

-He spends time with only 1 woman because she's the only one he wants.

-He spends time with no women because he is a lone wolf.

-He spends time with lots of women and doesn't fuck any of them, because he is homosexual.


There are no alternatives. A man may have 1 or 2 women that are important for some other significant reason. But there's going to be a deep and rich backstory. Maybe she's like an adoptive mom, or like a sister or whatever. But there is only a couple of these kind of women, if at all.
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Hmm just another misogynistic asshole. Who the fuck wants to listen to your negativity? I’m trying to give perspective. Go back to the titty bar where you get all your action.
Posted by Helen29
Posted by Moonbutter
Hmm something is keeping him from seeing you as a romantic prospect, hence the mixed signals and not wanting to take things further.
I have thought this. I am not sure what it is though!
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Can be anything... life style , depends on the deep convos you had and something just made him think it wouldn’t work out🤷🏻‍♀️
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Posted by sultrykitty
If you can, simply take him at his words and don't try to read between the lines. Let him lead, but don't be afraid to also make your own decisions. I won't tell you which is the better choice, but I can say that it sounds like there's potential for something really good here.


If you're comfortable with this and moving at this pace, then do that. Aqua is ruled by Uranus AND Saturn, and you kind of have to gauge what's dominant at that moment.


You sound like you have the desire to see what happens; go into this with no expectations from him and you'll be fine. Enjoy it while you're in it and when the enjoyment ends (if it does), then it will be pretty obvious to you, him, or both of you.
Can you explain the Saturn and Uranus thing further?


Uranus (the traditional ruler of Aquarius) is very unpredictable. Hot, cold, outgoing, reclusive

Someone with heavy Uranus can be erratic and confusing; they can often switch quickly from one thought, feeling, or activity (or interest) to another. They are often completely unaware of how frustrating it can be for people, especially those who need stability and consistency. Ironically, that's *exactly* what a Uranian needs - a stable and consistent partner, but one who can handle and adjust to the flighty, all over the placeness that Uranus can bring.


Saturn is "father time", and is considered a modern co-ruler of Aquarius. Like Capricorn, Saturn understands too easily how quick decisions can cause trouble (Uranus just doesn't gaf). So every move, thought, decision has to be carefully analyzed so that they don't get hurt or "ruin" something. Saturn does reward, though. But you *have* to be patient. There's no forcing or even nudging an outcome that you want with these people.



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Kinda same.

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Hey Saturn sister! 😂
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Posted by sultrykitty
If you can, simply take him at his words and don't try to read between the lines. Let him lead, but don't be afraid to also make your own decisions. I won't tell you which is the better choice, but I can say that it sounds like there's potential for something really good here.


If you're comfortable with this and moving at this pace, then do that. Aqua is ruled by Uranus AND Saturn, and you kind of have to gauge what's dominant at that moment.


You sound like you have the desire to see what happens; go into this with no expectations from him and you'll be fine. Enjoy it while you're in it and when the enjoyment ends (if it does), then it will be pretty obvious to you, him, or both of you.

Translation: I have no idea what i'm talking about whatsoever. All you need to do is be perfectly content with him havin his dick in some other bitch every 12 seconds cause it's "just sex", even years down the road when you've been married for however long yet it didn't skip a beat that entire time and is still goin. Every wednesday wake up "Good morning honey let me give a goodbye kiss so I can get a wiff of the other bitches juices on yo mouth."


Actually... fuck... now that sounds kinky.
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Ahh, silly Terrapin.


That's not even remotely what I said, and yeah, as long as there's no commitment, both are free to do what they want, with whomever they want. She's not his girlfriend but would like to be. But if she's uncomfortable with him having sex with someone else, then sticking around is her decision to make, and it would probably be a good one to walk away.


Maybe she's out there riding dick even though she really would like something more with the Aquaman? Again, there's no relationship beyond good friends at this point, but that doesn't mean there *won't be*.




@Moonbutter I have thought exactly that myself, that there's something there that is missing for him for some reason. I am not sure what it is but then I can't read minds and I guess seeing as he's actually NEVER thought a girl was right for a relationship that maybe even he doesn't know!


I know the sexual attraction is very strong, he's says that pretty much every day. When we're together physically he is constantly touching me. If we're in the car, he is driving with one hand on the wheel and has the other hand over rubbing my knee. If we're walking he has his hand in mine or around my waist. If we're watching TV, we're cuddling up and he's always stroking me. We kiss and hug for long periods and he always wants more so I guess there must be physical attraction. He sits there and examines me a lot like he's staring at my ankle or eyelashes or something or some obscure part of me and making comments about how little or pretty they are like he's fascinated.


He doesn't act platonic to me really ever to be honest. He was more platonic with me when we were dating, but now he'd really warm and affectionate like a boyfriend would be. The last few months even his texts have changed and he's started to put kisses or cute emojis on them (he is NOT the emoji kind of a guy) and he texts me goodnight with kisses.


He called me at New Years just after midnight and told me even though we were apart it'd be good to spend NY together on the phone and we talked for three hours. He then sent me an email that night which was all about me and what he likes / annoys him about me and it was quite funny. It said..


"Annoyances" -


1) your tendency to long messages (hard to process Tongue)

2) the way you make observations to call me out on things

3) the way you try and get through my emotional armour


"thing I like"


1) You're fun to be with

2) Your good heart

3) You're generous with your love (emotionally not physically)


This is really what he's like with me...it's kind of not like a friend at all! but also not friends with benefits. We actually hardly ever stay home, he always wants to go on dates to great places and he plans stuff (he always pays too) so he generally acts like my boyfriend.


My fear of course is that there is something holding him back but I really don't know what!


Posted by Helen29
@Moonbutter I have thought exactly that myself, that there's something there that is missing for him for some reason. I am not sure what it is but then I can't read minds and I guess seeing as he's actually NEVER thought a girl was right for a relationship that maybe even he doesn't know!


I know the sexual attraction is very strong, he's says that pretty much every day. When we're together physically he is constantly touching me. If we're in the car, he is driving with one hand on the wheel and has the other hand over rubbing my knee. If we're walking he has his hand in mine or around my waist. If we're watching TV, we're cuddling up and he's always stroking me. We kiss and hug for long periods and he always wants more so I guess there must be physical attraction. He sits there and examines me a lot like he's staring at my ankle or eyelashes or something or some obscure part of me and making comments about how little or pretty they are like he's fascinated.


He doesn't act platonic to me really ever to be honest. He was more platonic with me when we were dating, but now he'd really warm and affectionate like a boyfriend would be. The last few months even his texts have changed and he's started to put kisses or cute emojis on them (he is NOT the emoji kind of a guy) and he texts me goodnight with kisses.


He called me at New Years just after midnight and told me even though we were apart it'd be good to spend NY together on the phone and we talked for three hours. He then sent me an email that night which was all about me and what he likes / annoys him about me and it was quite funny. It said..


"Annoyances" -


1) your tendency to long messages (hard to process Tongue)

2) the way you make observations to call me out on things

3) the way you try and get through my emotional armour


"thing I like"


1) You're fun to be with

2) Your good heart

3) You're generous with your love (emotionally not physically)


This is really what he's like with me...it's kind of not like a friend at all! but also not friends with benefits. We actually hardly ever stay home, he always wants to go on dates to great places and he plans stuff (he always pays too) so he generally acts like my boyfriend.


My fear of course is that there is something holding him back but I really don't know what!




When the items in his "Annoyances" list drop down into the "what I like" list is when he'll be ready. I mean it. smile

@sultykitty ha ha, honesty that is probably very true. I think he meant it in an affectionate kind of way but you're right he has to accept those things as things he loves.
Posted by JadeAlexander
I stepped away for a half hour and WTH happened?!


Lordy... I’m confused about what some people here are saying. I appreciate the explanation of Saturn and Uranus....
My day was improved significantly by blocking the jackass woman-hater smile

The uranus and saturn thing was very interesting @sultrykitty and extremely accurate. Scarily accurate. I think our relationship works precisely because I don't really have much of a needy side. I am deeply emotional, but in a way that bounces things back internally and doesn't need constant input from the outside. So when we first knew each other and he'd be very "Saturn" about things I just wasn't materially affected by whatever his moods or actions were.


I remember him questioning me about this and saying other women got angry at him or demanding and how puzzled he was by the fact that I was cool about it, and I just explained to him that I was happy to see him if he came back but wasn't going to take whatever he did or didn't do as a reflection on me. My patient nature just made him relax I think because he was so accustomed to women demanding commitment and consistency and I guess I just said "if you want to go, I'll hold the door open. If you come back, great".


The uranus side is also really evident in him, especially in the way that every decision has to come from him and in his own time. Nothing is going to push him into doing something unless he has chosen it. In a way I almost think that because I told him I liked him romantically first, it put him off because he felt like I was making the decision before he'd decided!


I don't really get that reactive to his complicated nonsense. He's kind of like a cat and you have to just sit there and let him come to you. Chasing just makes him run away the other direction!
Posted by JadeAlexander
It took my aqua 5 years to tell me how he felt...For two of those years we couldn’t shake one another. We just kept finding ourselves pulled together. Then he finally let me in for nine months... nine months he treated me like the most important person to him.


And yet he still ran... but not very far.


I can wait it out. He knows this and I know this...


Ask yourself if you’re okay with the same thing? You don’t have to decide today, but if he doesn’t commit you may eventually need to cut your losses.
No of course I'd not wait for that.


I'd categorise it as 8 months we have known each other. 4 months we've been becoming friends. 2 months we've been hanging out in person. 7 weeks since we've been going on dates. Yes that's very slow progress but in that time I have dated other people.


My view right now is that if he starts dating someone else now, I am out.


If he wants my patience in this dating phase for say another couple of months as long as he isn't dating someone else then that's ok.


We have had I'd estimate 8 dates and a lot of hours on the phone. This isn't that much time for someone to commit I guess, so I can allow a little longer. I don't feel too upset or anything (yet)!
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Posted by Moonbutter
Hmm just another misogynistic asshole. Who the fuck wants to listen to your negativity? I’m trying to give perspective. Go back to the titty bar where you get all your action.

Um, how can it be Misogynist when I'm talking about how Men work? That would be Misandrist, at best. But it's really not, because I'm not blaming genetics and the sexes themselves. Just the all pervasive status quo that the endless hordes of mindless drones adhere to without challenge or question. You're not giving perspective. Not a Man's perspective. You're giving YOUR perspective, and men most definitely do not work the same way as you do. You're trying to come up with your own explanations, and as a man I can tell you that you are oh so hilariously off base.


Which FYI, I'm not taking pride in any of this. If you'd pay attention to anything I've said, it's clear I say all of this with great disdain for how most men are. I can say I'm an exception. But only because I started out as a crybaby girly boy. Even growing as masculine as I am, I will never be able to deny my feminine origins.

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Calling women dumb bitches you fucking half wit. Yeah I have zero respect for douches. ✌️
He may be interested in you only because he hasn’t had sex with you and wants it. Once he has sex, the chase and excitement may be over. I think it’s very risky.
Posted by JadeAlexander
Posted by pinkbird03
He may be interested in you only because he hasn’t had sex with you and wants it. Once he has sex, the chase and excitement may be over. I think it’s very risky.
That’s true as well... although I have a feeling helen won’t get sexual until she feels completely secure.
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Yea, but that doesn’t mean his behavior won’t change once the dead is done. It’s still a fuck boy. But I hope I’m wrong!

I'm not one to dip my pen into the office ink..... unless its a drunk office party kiss LOL.


Anyway, I think you starting to over think things. Let what ever happens, happen naturally. You guys have done a good job at becoming closer already.


Good luck
Posted by Seleukos
Your situation sounds complicated for both sides.

Do you like being friends with him or do you just accept being a friend as a temporary solution while hoping for more?

If being friends is okay, just stay in the are of friends and only do things with him that friends would do. Don't get pulled into this push and pull cycle.

Otherwise you should cut the ties for now and explain to him why and that you do this only to avoid getting hurt. This protects you from possible wounds while giving him enough room to clear things out for himself and in his own pace. Set boundaries to protect yourself and stick with them.

That's the general ad hoc advice I can give for now.


Now to the more personal perspective that may or may not help you. Tongue

I'm 27 years old and never had a normal relationship so far. I also feel the Uranus-Saturn bipolarity probably more that a normal Aquarius due to the fact that my moon conjuncts my Mars and Uranus while my Saturn is linked to my Sun via my Venus.

It takes a very long time for me to allow myself getting closer to someone. To the point of years. Which is the Saturn part.

On the other hand I like interacting with women, espacially talking, and often stumble into situations in which women considered my friendlieness as flirting and dating and want to take the logical next step which I'm unwilling to do because I never even considered this to be possible.

The fact he is going through all of this with you while opening up his softer side means either it's pure coldhearted strategy or he is really tyring to get your relationship to a more stable place.

Thanks for all of that. Yes, I think I am happy about the friendship part - it's very valuable to me. If that's all it turns out to be I don't think that's a bad thing as long as I am prepared emotionally and we get some better boundaries (meaning the romantic flavour ends).


One thing this guy never does is lies or manipulates and the length of time it took to get to where we are was pretty long. Where we are right now ain't bad, he always makes me feel special, loved, important, secure and although it's unconventional I think for him whatever relationship we have has definitely as valuable as it is to me. He's worked for it, changed for it, committed to it and in his own way that might be more difficult. It was such a slow process, and then all of a sudden everything just changed and he's giving me things I know aren't offered to people for nothing. If that's just friendship, then I guess it's a great one based on a lot of genuine caring.


I am trying not to misread the signs.


He said to me a couple of days ago that he was focusing on us having a friendship because he didn't want to lose me, because I was more important to him than just sex and because maybe that's the best way to start a relationship that lasts and he wants to try something different having only had purely sexual relationships before.


I think he's open to the idea, but not sure yet! He always says what he means which makes it easier in a way but he's definitely not sure. Obviously for me, that's kind of an ego blow but I think it's just his personality to make decisions really slowly and try not to get invested without being certain.


Maybe it'll happen, maybe not!
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Posted by Moonbutter
Calling women dumb bitches you fucking half wit. Yeah I have zero respect for douches. ✌️

Actually, it'd be sexist to be willing to insult men I don't like but have some sort of bias that keeps me from doing the same to any and all women because they're women. You want to be treated like an EQUAL right? If anything you should be happy I respect you enough to treat you like you're a PERSON. Because calling people dumb and assholes/bitches/retards, etc. Is how I treat PEOPLE when those descriptions FIT.


In this case I'm saying "Bitches" to be deliberately dismissive. Because the word bitch basically means "Female Dog". Dog in this case, not meaning "servant" or "pet". But rather "Mindless Animal". These "bitches" are just your stereotypical status quo followin mindless dipshits. With a dude you just call em a "Dog". Cause there is no specific variation for "Male Dog". Altho I probably would prefer "Mongrel" if it didn't sound like something a twatwaffle would say.
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I’m actually not one of those feminist that believe men and women are the same. I am traditional in my thinking that we each have roles and should be balanced. Your bitch analysis doesn’t apply to me because I’m not in that group. I would have hoped your mother taught you better. Would you call your mother a bitch?
I don't think it's a feminist issue, you can't go around calling people dumb or cookiemonsters (whatever the reason) and defend your logic. It's rude and offensive.


As a side note to that - rude and offensive isn't subjective, it's an absolute to the respondent. Meaning if someone says you offended them and were rude, you don't get to say you didn't or weren't (unless you live on a planet where communication isn't intended for the person you're directing it at). You just get to take it on board and decide whether you want to continue being rude and offensive or whether you want to change tact. If your objective isn't to be rude and offensive, then people telling you your communication is perceived that way is reason enough to change the method of delivery. For a wise man anyway. You could have made your point without using those words. I still would have disagreed with you, because what you said didn't make much sense but I'd have respected you more if you could communicate in a way that wasn't seemingly deliberately designed to act like you enjoyed putting other people down.
Posted by Helen29
Posted by Seleukos
Your situation sounds complicated for both sides.

Do you like being friends with him or do you just accept being a friend as a temporary solution while hoping for more?

If being friends is okay, just stay in the are of friends and only do things with him that friends would do. Don't get pulled into this push and pull cycle.

Otherwise you should cut the ties for now and explain to him why and that you do this only to avoid getting hurt. This protects you from possible wounds while giving him enough room to clear things out for himself and in his own pace. Set boundaries to protect yourself and stick with them.

That's the general ad hoc advice I can give for now.


Now to the more personal perspective that may or may not help you. Tongue

I'm 27 years old and never had a normal relationship so far. I also feel the Uranus-Saturn bipolarity probably more that a normal Aquarius due to the fact that my moon conjuncts my Mars and Uranus while my Saturn is linked to my Sun via my Venus.

It takes a very long time for me to allow myself getting closer to someone. To the point of years. Which is the Saturn part.

On the other hand I like interacting with women, espacially talking, and often stumble into situations in which women considered my friendlieness as flirting and dating and want to take the logical next step which I'm unwilling to do because I never even considered this to be possible.

The fact he is going through all of this with you while opening up his softer side means either it's pure coldhearted strategy or he is really tyring to get your relationship to a more stable place.

Thanks for all of that. Yes, I think I am happy about the friendship part - it's very valuable to me. If that's all it turns out to be I don't think that's a bad thing as long as I am prepared emotionally and we get some better boundaries (meaning the romantic flavour ends).


One thing this guy never does is lies or manipulates and the length of time it took to get to where we are was pretty long. Where we are right now ain't bad, he always makes me feel special, loved, important, secure and although it's unconventional I think for him whatever relationship we have has definitely as valuable as it is to me. He's worked for it, changed for it, committed to it and in his own way that might be more difficult. It was such a slow process, and then all of a sudden everything just changed and he's giving me things I know aren't offered to people for nothing. If that's just friendship, then I guess it's a great one based on a lot of genuine caring.


I am trying not to misread the signs.


He said to me a couple of days ago that he was focusing on us having a friendship because he didn't want to lose me, because I was more important to him than just sex and because maybe that's the best way to start a relationship that lasts and he wants to try something different having only had purely sexual relationships before.


I think he's open to the idea, but not sure yet! He always says what he means which makes it easier in a way but he's definitely not sure. Obviously for me, that's kind of an ego blow but I think it's just his personality to make decisions really slowly and try not to get invested without being certain.


Maybe it'll happen, maybe not!
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I went through this with a guy for a loooong time. He told me he wasn’t the relationship type, didn’t want marriage but I saw a need in him and softness that I couldn’t deny. We would go on “dates” but never more then a kiss. I finally realized I loved him as a person but it just wasn’t meant to be. Once that clicked for me, I was able to see him just as a friend which opened me to finding the best love of my life❤️
Maybe that will happen @Moonbutter. I am going to give it 6 - 8 more weeks and that would be three months in total of dating. If at the end of that we're still "just friends" according to his judgement then I'll move on with kindness.


Watch this space and wish me luck ha ha!
Wishing you all the best of luck girls!
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Posted by Moonbutter
I’m actually not one of those feminist that believe men and women are the same.

And I'm supposed to give a fuck... why? Of course you fuckin want it that way, because it's "balanced" in women's favor. When a Man cheats, he's a piece of shit. When a woman cheats, it's all HIS fault. When a divorce happens, the man has some sort of magical irrational obligation to take care of her grown ass and give her half of everything he owns. But never the other way around. A man has to chase a woman, she will never do the same way round, etc.


It's not "balance". It's, the man has it "hard" and the woman has it "easy". You just sorta "herpaderp" the idea that any human would have an issue with being on the other side of that spectrum. Of course, because YOU'RE the pampered cunt ass oppressor.


I don't give one goddamn about what you "believe". I believe your kind needs a bullet in the head, prompto. So there ya go.


I am traditional in my thinking that we each have roles and should be balanced.

Except we have FACTS now, in the modern day with modern science, that say that is just flat out retarded brainrape. The roles you're referring to can be interchanged. There's nothing biologically stopping it from being the other way around. It's 100% choice, on part of people being conditioned by the status quo.


All you're really saying is. You believe you are "special" and more important than all men. When your ass probably has contributed less than motherfucking Hitler for fucks sakes. You're just a mindless useless piece of shit, regardless of your physiology. So the only thing you're worth, is licking the dirt off of better people's shoes.


Your bitch analysis doesn’t apply to me because I’m not in that group.

Actually you're right... it doesn't apply to you the same way it does these other bitches. It applies to you, a MILLION fold.


I would have hoped your mother taught you better. Would you call your mother a bitch?

You mean brainwash? Yeah, done that a couple of times. When she was being a bitch. Hence why she got her shit straight. Because I was right, imagine that. Women aren't just magically right just because they want to be no matter how they act or what they say.

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You can just fuck off as there is no hope for you. Lost cause. Bye
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Posted by Senorita_LL
But what I don't understand about you, why can't you be a little more nicer? Why do you have to call everyone names and think that there's nothing wrong with that? Aren't you tired being negative like this?


Even if you're mad over something that had happened to you, that does not gave you any rights to call the rest of us bitches etc etc.


Please make me understand, how do you live your life this way? I don't mean any harm. I just wanna know, why? How? What?

Being nice to people you don't like, is called being fake. I call specific people specific names because I think/feel like it fits. You gotta have rivals, you gotta have enemies. Otherwise life is boring.
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It’s called being a respectful human being, a concept obviously lost on you.
Posted by Helen29
No, no don't worry I didn't think you were being mean. I just think I have been quietly firm and held my boundaries with him very carefully (If I hadn't he'd be gone lol)


Ha ha, I know how you feel. I don't feel insecure with him...just puzzled probably He acts like he's in love and then says we're "friends". It's just not what I am used to.
He seems scared of what he is feeling. Be patient with him 😉
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Posted by Helen29
No, no don't worry I didn't think you were being mean. I just think I have been quietly firm and held my boundaries with him very carefully (If I hadn't he'd be gone lol)


Ha ha, I know how you feel. I don't feel insecure with him...just puzzled probably He acts like he's in love and then says we're "friends". It's just not what I am used to.
He seems scared of what he is feeling. Be patient with him 😉
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I don’t know if you right but who needs a man who is ‘afraid of his feelings’? Not sexy!!! What’s next? Not comfortable to insert? Doubtful about frequency if frictions? Scared to cum? Oh, boy...😂💦😭👎
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Posted by Moonbutter
It’s called being a respectful human being, a concept obviously lost on you.

Typical first world Murican... "Respect me while I'm disrespecting you, herpderp."
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You disrespected me, so I have no respect for you unless You magically learn to get some manners.
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