Is Astrology all B. S???

This topic was created in the Astrology forum by FullFrontal on Saturday, March 10, 2018 and has 42 replies.
Posted by AnotherTaurusGuyReturns
Astrology is more than sun signs.
Okay, But I don't really get the point of Sun Signs if nobody acts anything like their description.



EDIT next day: to those saying there's other placements


You never see anybody saying I hate all Scorpios with Gemini moons and Sag Venuses and Aries Mercurys, they all always do this or do that. Blah, blah, blah. It never goes like that. Its just the sun sign. Astrology to most online is mainly the sun when they talk about each other. People think they know each other, but zodiac sun signs, which is what they're using, is the least way to find out. None of the signs describes anybody how they really are. Its all bull.
Celebrities aren't people you fool
Kourtney is really stubborn and self sufficient, it doesn’t surprise me that she’s an aries
Posted by Koniuchaa
You are also referencing actors. These people get paid to act a certain way.


No, they're not all actors. I'm just using some of them as a description so other people know what I'm talking about. If I gave names of family and friends only, you would have no clue. Both the Taurus and the Scorpio I gave as an example are personal acquantices and the Scorpio was a friend. Who some might know because their jobs is a DJ. They're not actors.



EDIT next day: to the people who's excuse they're all celebrities they're not. Only 4 are


Not all of those people are celebrities. If I used friends and family names you would be completely clueless right? I only used some as an example so everybody else who knows them would know what I'm talking about, and I only used one example for each. I could name many more with the same different personalities. That's not a coincidence. How could all of these people act the exact same different way than their zodiac descriptions and not know each other if it's all about acting? Some are also YouTuber's, like Alyssa Sharpe, who are just being themselves while vlogging. So what are these people's excuses? This answer has already been disproved and said too many times. And the couple of people on that list who happen to be seen on TV weren't acting at the time. So what's the excuse for the 2 DJ's who are personal acquantices on that list, and Alyssa Sharpe a vlogger, who aren't actors? .



And like somebody else said under here, they found out that most comedians are Virgos. Which is the last sign out of the whole zodiac who would describe as funny. If we go by astrology their stereotype is uptight and reserved. Its just all bull.


Posted by hellohowareyou
this is why I take sidereal astrology and progressed charts into consideration


I need to look into that. Is it less b.s than regular astrology or western?. Because western is not that believable. I think it's all bull.
And does anybody really know how they got each zodiacs description, from like what ?, a thousand years ago?.
Posted by Koniuchaa
You are also referencing actors. These people get paid to act a certain way.
Some are also YouTuber's, like Alyssa Sharpe, who are just being themselves while vlogging. So what are these people's excuses?

Posted by sierra_
kelly is libra mars + libra dominant.. social life


kourtney is pisces rising +pisces venus.. calm and cool


michelle is leo mercury.. powerhouse


cameron is cancer rising + cancer venus + cancer dominant.. emotionally volatile or is that psychotic to you?


So then what is even the point of sun signs? And why do people only talk about sun signs while trash talking if nobody's even acting like it. Honestly, sounds like bull

Posted by SassyKiwi
Celebrities aren't people you fool
Not all of those people are celebrities you fool. I only used some as an example so everybody else who knows them would know what I'm talking about. I only used one example for each. I could name many more with the same different personalities. That's a not a coincidence. How could all of these people act the exact same different way than their zodiac descriptions and not know each other if its all about acting? If I used friends and family names you would be completely clueless, right?
Posted by Shadowcat
Forsake astrology and embrace science.
Honestly, I used to think that was bull. But I'm starting to think that.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
What are their moons? Mercury?


Ppl never think I'm a cancer. They think I'm more Leo


But inside i cry all day


And I'm needy for attention. Most crabs don't want attention like i do


This is exactly what I'm talking about. So sun signs atleast are bull.
Posted by Nevamore
You created for the third time of this thread.


What are you implying of aside of astrology bs?
The first 2 didn't post in the lobby. I had to wait.
Posted by Koniuchaa
Posted by FullFrontal
Posted by Koniuchaa
You are also referencing actors. These people get paid to act a certain way.
Some are also YouTuber's, like Alyssa Sharpe, who are just being themselves while vlogging. So what are these people's excuses?

Well earlier I mentioned other placements, aspects, and the houses. Have you looked into that yet?
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I know about other planets but I guess I just don't get why all we ever talk about is the one planet that nobody acts like. Anybody ever thought of that lol?
Posted by Redbull
Posted by FullFrontal
And does anybody really know how they got each zodiacs description, from like what ?, a thousand years ago?.


Good question. But astrology books or sites that go more indepth, say more than one paragraph per sign will give a much more detailed and probably accurate description than those described here. Those descriptions, throw those out and look up the signs and you can see it more clearly. For instance since Taurus was singled out, James Brown was a flamboyant performer. Doesnt seem so Taurean but look deeper and he loved music and was an artist and did it to the fullest and expressed. Begins to look more Taurus. I know a lot of pretty patient Sags, comedian Scorps, comedian Caps, etc. So its there and makes sense because nowhere says signs are locked into cartoonishly narrow boxes. thats misinterpretation. People are individuals first and there's all kinds of ways that can manifest. People want to be able to figure people out and put em in boxes and think they have it all figured out but it doesnt work like that. but if someone is oblivious to it then...
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Right. It's like people think they know each other, but zodiac sun signs, which is what they're using, is the least way to find out. None of the signs describes anybody how they really are. Its all bull.

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Im good with figuring out ppl sun sign based on behavior


But now I'm finding in even better at knowing their moon sign


Moon sign is where the real person is at


Last week at my hygenist she's Sag we talked


She said she's moody herself and hates talking to new ppl not close knit friends


I was like you're a Scorpio moon. Bang.


During the Oscars or some show i was guessing stars astrology based on how they talk


And what they say


3/3
Maybe it needs to be switched. The old Astrology is too old to fit anybody.
Posted by Koniuchaa
Posted by FullFrontal
Posted by sierra_
kelly is libra mars + libra dominant.. social life


kourtney is pisces rising +pisces venus.. calm and cool


michelle is leo mercury.. powerhouse


cameron is cancer rising + cancer venus + cancer dominant.. emotionally volatile or is that psychotic to you?


So then what is even the point of sun signs? And why do people only talk about sun signs while trash talking if nobody's even acting like it. Honestly, sounds like bull

The other placements are based off of your sun sign.
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What other placements?


Posted by Nevamore
Posted by FullFrontal
Posted by Nevamore
You created for the third time of this thread.


What are you implying of aside of astrology bs?
The first 2 didn't post in the lobby. I had to wait.
Yet, you still keep going for this where everyone finally noticed of this thread (in which congratulation, you got it! have some cake!), even after you posted something a few things.


Why?
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They never got posted at all. I had to wait until 24 hour lag. It only shows in my profile no where else.

If it was obvious, we would be guessing sun signs without mistake.


People are complex human beings. How "they come across as" is not necessarily how they are when nobody's looking.


The Libra description you just gave is me to the T
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Posted by FullFrontal
Posted by Koniuchaa
Posted by FullFrontal
Posted by sierra_
kelly is libra mars + libra dominant.. social life


kourtney is pisces rising +pisces venus.. calm and cool


michelle is leo mercury.. powerhouse


cameron is cancer rising + cancer venus + cancer dominant.. emotionally volatile or is that psychotic to you?


So then what is even the point of sun signs? And why do people only talk about sun signs while trash talking if nobody's even acting like it. Honestly, sounds like bull

The other placements are based off of your sun sign.
What other placements?


I thought you said you knew about the other placements? Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars etc.
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Oh, I thought you were saying something else. Like, the other descriptions.

Posted by FullFrontal
Posted by Koniuchaa
Posted by FullFrontal
Posted by Koniuchaa
You are also referencing actors. These people get paid to act a certain way.
Some are also YouTuber's, like Alyssa Sharpe, who are just being themselves while vlogging. So what are these people's excuses?

Well earlier I mentioned other placements, aspects, and the houses. Have you looked into that yet?
I know about other planets but I guess I just don't get why all we ever talk about is the one planet that nobody acts like. Anybody ever thought of that lol?
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Well I guess because you never see anybody (or hardly see anybody) saying i hate all Aquas with Aries moons and Scorpio Mercurys, they all always do this or do that. Blah, blah, blah. It never goes like that. Its just the sun sign. Astrology to most online is mainly the sun when they talk about each other.

Posted by heliumfiasco
The Libra description you just gave is me to the T
I have never met this " Peaceful Libra" that astrology describes. Do they even exist? I have plenty of Libra friends too. I'm just starting to think it's all bull.
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Posted by heliumfiasco
The Libra description you just gave is me to the T
I have never met this " Peaceful Libra" that astrology describes. Do they even exist? I have plenty of Libra friends too. I'm just starting to think it's all bull.
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I like peace mostly when I'm not involved. We are great mediators. However, when I'm involved I can be down right aggressive. I can easily see both sides of a situation however, and am very indecisive.
Nope, it true...


All saggis are loud and obnoxious.
Yeah, really. I found out most comedians are Virgos. They're the last people who you would think would top the charts as funny people. They're supposed to be uptight and reserved.
You are talking about celebrities that act a completely different way on TV. You are watching a packaged product on screen.
Posted by miriyahhh
You are talking about celebrities that act a completely different way on TV. You are watching a packaged product on screen.


Nope, read it again and my replies to this same comment that's being nothing but repeated. This answer has already been disproved and said too many times. And the couple of people on that list who happen to be seen on TV weren't acting at the time. So what's your excuse for the 2 DJ's on that list, and Alyssa Sharpe a vlogger, who aren't actors? It's a lot of bull.

Posted by SassyKiwi
Celebrities aren't people you fool
Lol
Posted by Undine
If it was obvious, we would be guessing sun signs without mistake.


People are complex human beings. How "they come across as" is not necessarily how they are when nobody's looking.


seriously. lol




look at this topic, OP


https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/miscellaneous/guess-strangers-zodiac-sign-10377755/



this guy is obviously and old man, been doing astrology a very long time and he still guesses wrong!!

not even 6 out of 12, 4 out of 12.




edit he seems like a sweet old guy though. aw.


he does go into the "generic" stuff too easily though. such as when he thought the cancer man was a virgo man. and he said ohhh you carry your virgo mother in the womb. -_-

but still coolio.
Sun sign astrology can be generic but as soon as I began to look into the natal chart, I am now convinced there is some creedence to astrology


I've met people for example with sun in Leo who have been both extrovert and introvert because other placements in the chart have been very different


Posted by hanslaude
Posted by FullFrontal


Kelly Clarkson, a Taurus, is the most attention seeking, loudmouth, blunt, fun, sarcastic, full of personality, socially adept Taurus around. Have you ever seen her on The Voice, and her snapchats showing the real Her? Shes a huge jokester. She's like everything they say Taurus aren't. She's more like energetic Fire or Air I immediately think of Sagittarius after seeing her. While Aquarius Alicia Keys has always come off as overly serious, deep, and quiet and a little shy compared to Kelly. None of those things are written about us Aquarius. Alicia acts like what they describe a Taurus as, and Kelly acts more like what they describe her sign. When I think of friends and family members, none of the usual stereotypes show either. I've been into astrology for a while but lately, have been thinking a lot of the descriptions and labels especially said online, don't describe people I know irl.


No Aries I know is aggressive or loud or likes fighting: they're like Kourtney pretty calm and cool.


No Taurus I know is boring or dull: they're like Carter Cruise ( a known DJ who I actually know personally) social and a little rebellious


No Gemini I know is overly chatty: they're like Angela a little shy and awkward. I know a lot of Geminis with anxiety issues though, social anxiety, definitely in my family, they actually are the total opposite of what they say Air signs are socially.


No Cancer woman I know is submissive or quiet: God no to this one! These women are powerhouses and a little bossy like Michelle Rodriguez


No Leo I know is egotistical or brash: They're like Sandra Bullock a lot more reserved than than what Leos are always said to be.


No Virgo I know is quiet or shy: They're like Cameron Diaz very psychotic acting (no offense Virgos) but the ones I know are very psychotic and in your face with it.


No Libra I know is peaceful or a people pleaser: They're like known astrologer Alyssa Sharpe, sarcastic and to the point to where they hurt feelings. I've never ever seen any Libra go out of their way to please anybody to spare their feelings.


No Scorpio woman I know is evil dark and negative: They're all good hearted flirty social positive people like DJ Tracy Young the bi woman known for dating Kim Zolciak on Desperate Housewives Atlanta someone else I know personally.


I don't know any Sags personally or Capricorns but I doubt sags are all loud and obnoxious and all Capricorns are serious and reserved.


Can anybody actually name people who act just like the description of their zodiac sign and actually back it up with proof of a person? Or are we just fooling ourselves and playing games with it. I'm starting to think its all bull.

You dont know taurus bad side.


Taurus bad side is that


"Behind their peacefull nature theres a person who want to possess you, want power, want authority and did not hesitate to use force to get it if necessary".


Thats why chris brown, pol pot etc looks peacefull outside but actually on the inside-...


Dont be fooled by their peaceful nature.
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lol. that's ALGOL.

I have always been very cautious about it.... And of course it's ridiculous to believe every Sagittarius on this earth is going to behave the same. You need to analyze in depth the whole chart. I have been analyzing my own chart the last 3 years. I add new knowledge all the time. I started from 0 and I know quite a lot of stuff now. You need good and valid sources to get information from which is even more difficult online. Personally I find that the more I dive into it the more scary it's accuracy becomes and that surprises me. Currently I believe it more than ever before. I also have become famous on this around my friends, interpreting their charts.


Plus the best and most professional astrologer I have come across till now is Jewel Mayberry. She has a YouTube channel called Truth in Aspect. You should check her out. Winking
Posted by Fantum
Yeah, probably. Conveniently, each natal chart has so many points of interest, one can explain almost any behavior with almost any chart.


The question I care more about is does it do harm to people who believe? If you've known you're a Gemini since the age of 10, for example, will you act Gemini-like just because you know that? And if so, what are the consequences?
This is what I wonder too haha. But I think I was like that before I learned anything about charts. I knew I am a Sag sun but never have acted as one.

Seeing my chart and all the Capricorn I have threw some light on this.
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Yeah, probably. Conveniently, each natal chart has so many points of interest, one can explain almost any behavior with almost any chart.


The question I care more about is does it do harm to people who believe? If you've known you're a Gemini since the age of 10, for example, will you act Gemini-like just because you know that? And if so, what are the consequences?
This is what I wonder too haha. But I think I was like that before I learned anything about charts. I knew I am a Sag sun but never have acted as one.

Seeing my chart and all the Capricorn I have threw some light on this.
I had the same experience as a Gemini who couldn't relate to the generic Gemini sun description. I just thought it was bullshit for years. When I found out I'm water dominant and saw my other placements, things started to seem to make sense. So I studied astrology a lot, and I think it's a lot of fun.


I know for a fact that on one occasion I put up with behavior from someone based on his horoscope that I wouldn't have tolerated otherwise. So, it did hurt me in that way. Lesson learned.
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I get it. That's bad. It's like we think we know what's going on with the person based on the chart... But as you said that doesn't automatically mean it's ok for them to act in a bad manner. I go through periods that I am too affected by astrology too and maybe I make decisions upon it lol.

Posted by Lala1393
Posted by FullFrontal


Kelly Clarkson, a Taurus, is the most attention seeking, loudmouth, blunt, fun, sarcastic, full of personality, socially adept Taurus around. Have you ever seen her on The Voice, and her snapchats showing the real Her? Shes a huge jokester. She's like everything they say Taurus aren't. She's more like energetic Fire or Air I immediately think of Sagittarius after seeing her. While Aquarius Alicia Keys has always come off as overly serious, deep, and quiet and a little shy compared to Kelly. None of those things are written about us Aquarius. Alicia acts like what they describe a Taurus as, and Kelly acts more like what they describe her sign. When I think of friends and family members, none of the usual stereotypes show eithself and whats going on in her headI've been into astrology for a while but lately, have been thinking a lot of the descriptions and labels especially said online, don't describe people I know irl.


No Aries I know is aggressive or loud or likes fighting: they're like Kourtney pretty calm and cool.


No Taurus I know is boring or dull: they're like Carter Cruise ( a known DJ who I actually know personally) social and a little rebellious


No Gemini I know is overly chatty: they're like Angela a little shy and awkward. I know a lot of Geminis with anxiety issues though, social anxiety, definitely in my family, they actually are the total opposite of what they say Air signs are socially.


No Cancer woman I know is submissive or quiet: God no to this one! These women are powerhouses and a little bossy like Michelle Rodriguez


No Leo I know is egotistical or brash: They're like Sandra Bullock a lot more reserved than than what Leos are always said to be.


No Virgo I know is quiet or shy: They're like Cameron Diaz very psychotic acting (no offense Virgos) but the ones I know are very psychotic and in your face with it.


No Libra I know is peaceful or a people pleaser: They're like known astrologer Alyssa Sharpe, sarcastic and to the point to where they hurt feelings. I've never ever seen any Libra go out of their way to please anybody to spare their feelings.


No Scorpio woman I know is evil dark and negative: They're all good hearted flirty social positive people like DJ Tracy Young the bi woman known for dating Kim Zolciak on Desperate Housewives Atlanta someone else I know personally.


I don't know any Sags personally or Capricorns but I doubt sags are all loud and obnoxious and all Capricorns are serious and reserved.


Can anybody actually name people who act just like the description of their zodiac sign and actually back it up with proof of a person? Or are we just fooling ourselves and playing games with it. I'm starting to think its all bull.



Heyyyyyy. Scorps arent evil necessarily. We're only evil when crossed and even then, sometimes we can just not bother reacting.


We also aren't dark. We're just obsessed with what's dark and mysterious.


And quite frankly , you haven't mentioned anyone's full charts. Nor are you in your Scorp friend's head (thank goodness for that...).


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Yep that's what I said. And like I already said, full charts don't matter when people throw the labels and stereotypes around at each other. Nobody's saying I hate all Scorpios with Gemini moons and Sag Venuses and Aries Mercurys. That's not how it works. They just say I hate sun scorpios because they're all this and that. Blah, blah blah. Astrology to most is mainly the sun sign when they talk about each other. And I've known my friend for over 20 years, if she is hiding her true self, or what's really going on in her head, then that would just be another personality that scorpios aren't known for. Just being themselves. But you're right maybe she is being fake. She's a true friend so I've pretty much seen everything and she tells me everything. For all the years I've known her she hasn't even gotten angry around me well enough have some evil scorpio streak that she's hiding for 20 years. Its just a lot of bull.




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Yeah, probably. Conveniently, each natal chart has so many points of interest, one can explain almost any behavior with almost any chart.


The question I care more about is does it do harm to people who believe? If you've known you're a Gemini since the age of 10, for example, will you act Gemini-like just because you know that? And if so, what are the consequences?
This is what I wonder too haha. But I think I was like that before I learned anything about charts. I knew I am a Sag sun but never have acted as one.

Seeing my chart and all the Capricorn I have threw some light on this.
I had the same experience as a Gemini who couldn't relate to the generic Gemini sun description. I just thought it was bullshit for years. When I found out I'm water dominant and saw my other placements, things started to seem to make sense. So I studied astrology a lot, and I think it's a lot of fun.


I know for a fact that on one occasion I put up with behavior from someone based on his horoscope that I wouldn't have tolerated otherwise. So, it did hurt me in that way. Lesson learned.


I get it. That's bad. It's like we think we know what's going on with the person based on the chart... But as you said that doesn't automatically mean it's ok for them to act in a bad manner. I go through periods that I am too affected by astrology too and maybe I make decisions upon it lol.

I don't know. Maybe it's chickenshit to be half in, half out, but I feel like I make better decisions when I leave astrology out of it. I still enjoy the discussions. We can use the categories to talk about personality and differences and commonalities among people.
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I agree on this. Even if astrology was proven in some way ...our knowledge on it is pretty basic to actually take it into serious consideration.
Posted by halalbae
Posted by Nevamore
You created for the third time of this thread.


What are you implying of aside of astrology bs?
Lol youre always in peoples post history, exposing the full picture
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That person didn't expose anything. They thought this question was posted more than once. It never was. I tried posting it during a 24 hour lag where it was never listed or shown in the lobby, only in my profile. That's why they haven't responded since my last reply about it. Honestly, I think they felt a little stupid asking it. Plus asking somebody why they're asking more than one question is not exposure. That's just being annoying.


Posted by meraki
In the grand scheme of things, everything is bs.

todos son textos.


Multiple choice or superposition? Causality, synchronicity or confirmation bias?


same person, lots of texts to describe her:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidant_personality_disorder?


life path 11=2?


cat?


Pisces Moon?


spoiled useless superficial liberal ?


ENFP-T? ENTJ? ENFJ.?
Posted by _gg
... anyone can get a godaddy account for $ 20 and spread whatever lies or misinformation they want.



I found a few astro sites that belong to a few people here on dxp and their attitude towards geminis or other signs they dislike and the things they say here on this site is reflected on their astro site.....

I recently read somewhere on the net in a text how extroverts (people who are labeled as such by other people) often feel void inside.


I really did not think if I agree or disagree with that sentence. But I immediately thought the author must have been Water sign, most likely Scorp dominant.
millions of peeps believe in vedic astrology (india, eastern astrology)

and millions more, even billions more just believe in animal astrology and risings.
Astrology is what you make of it.

You can use it to chase a man who does not want to commit.

You can use it to bash your friends, roommates or colleagues.

You can use it to analyse your own character for a while.

You can use it to find out what is the gift you give to your child for the next celebration.

You can use it to find our your calling and your next profession provided that you were not happy with your current job.


I've learned from Tiziani what it is to have three planets Out of Bounds. And how this affects my life. This is neither Sun sign, nor Planets placement, Houses nor Aspects.


I've learned from bricklemark what Quindecile is. Which could be the reason for my obsessions.


Still it's up to me. what do I do with the knowledge about OOB or Quindecile? can I do anything about them or am I doomed to continue being the way I am? is there any necessity to change?
Posted by hanslaude
Posted by FullFrontal


Kelly Clarkson, a Taurus, is the most attention seeking, loudmouth, blunt, fun, sarcastic, full of personality, socially adept Taurus around. Have you ever seen her on The Voice, and her snapchats showing the real Her? Shes a huge jokester. She's like everything they say Taurus aren't. She's more like energetic Fire or Air I immediately think of Sagittarius after seeing her. While Aquarius Alicia Keys has always come off as overly serious, deep, and quiet and a little shy compared to Kelly. None of those things are written about us Aquarius. Alicia acts like what they describe a Taurus as, and Kelly acts more like what they describe her sign. When I think of friends and family members, none of the usual stereotypes show either. I've been into astrology for a while but lately, have been thinking a lot of the descriptions and labels especially said online, don't describe people I know irl.


No Aries I know is aggressive or loud or likes fighting: they're like Kourtney pretty calm and cool.


No Taurus I know is boring or dull: they're like Carter Cruise ( a known DJ who I actually know personally) social and a little rebellious


No Gemini I know is overly chatty: they're like Angela a little shy and awkward. I know a lot of Geminis with anxiety issues though, social anxiety, definitely in my family, they actually are the total opposite of what they say Air signs are socially.


No Cancer woman I know is submissive or quiet: God no to this one! These women are powerhouses and a little bossy like Michelle Rodriguez


No Leo I know is egotistical or brash: They're like Sandra Bullock a lot more reserved than than what Leos are always said to be.


No Virgo I know is quiet or shy: They're like Cameron Diaz very psychotic acting (no offense Virgos) but the ones I know are very psychotic and in your face with it.


No Libra I know is peaceful or a people pleaser: They're like known astrologer Alyssa Sharpe, sarcastic and to the point to where they hurt feelings. I've never ever seen any Libra go out of their way to please anybody to spare their feelings.


No Scorpio woman I know is evil dark and negative: They're all good hearted flirty social positive people like DJ Tracy Young the bi woman known for dating Kim Zolciak on Desperate Housewives Atlanta someone else I know personally.


I don't know any Sags personally or Capricorns but I doubt sags are all loud and obnoxious and all Capricorns are serious and reserved.


Can anybody actually name people who act just like the description of their zodiac sign and actually back it up with proof of a person? Or are we just fooling ourselves and playing games with it. I'm starting to think its all bull.

You dont know taurus bad side.


Taurus bad side is that


"Behind their peacefull nature theres a person who want to possess you, want power, want authority and did not hesitate to use force to get it if necessary".


Thats why chris brown, pol pot etc looks peacefull outside but actually on the inside-...


Dont be fooled by their peaceful nature.
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😆😳😆@ Chris Brown looking peaceful


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