soooo how accurate is astrology?
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I mean what would yousay to a person who asks "do you believe people's personalities and lifes are shaped by the date they're born"?
btw looking at my sign's personality...I was shocked to see how can most be that true. But I don't like/and believe shouldn't use astrology to judge people.....what do you think?
btw looking at my sign's personality...I was shocked to see how can most be that true. But I don't like/and believe shouldn't use astrology to judge people.....what do you think?
Well, I can understand why some people see astrology as simply ENTERTAINMENT. They believe SOME of it, & shake off other parts of it, knowing deep down that every person born on the same day as them are NOT exactly the way a website or some book says they are. People generally read horoscopes or their chart (describing the personality characteristics for their particular sign) & forget that Culture, religion,past experiences, & other things play a much BIGGER factor in the accuracy of astrology. I do believe it IS interesting, and do find alot of truth in it. But then you've got some people who get their zodiac sign tattoed on them, won't date anyone of any sign that they are supposedly "not compatible" with & brings up astrology the minute things go good or bad. See, no I'm not that type of person. Religion plays a big part in why alot of people mentally don't accept astrology.
In the New testament, Deuteronomy 18:10 says that God detests astrology. So, some people will only allow astrology to take a part in their lives to a certain extent, if at all
In the New testament, Deuteronomy 18:10 says that God detests astrology. So, some people will only allow astrology to take a part in their lives to a certain extent, if at all
For those who know where to look and how to look, astrology is a bigger surprise than dna. For those who dont know how to look past the various social factors, astrology is a belief system. For religiously blind and skeptically retarded people, astrology is a joke.
((If you think that we all have in our charts a little bit of everything.. then all the discriptions apply to you.))
Only if you think so. You can also think that the professional astrologers are frauds who are in for the money part and they just designed a birth chart thingy to make it look confusing to public. What you or others think doesn't change the truth.
Only if you think so. You can also think that the professional astrologers are frauds who are in for the money part and they just designed a birth chart thingy to make it look confusing to public. What you or others think doesn't change the truth.
I 've read many many differing sun/planet combo's, aspects and the like, and none of them are me, except the actual combo's i was BORN with. i live my chart everyday and i know mine is 100% true, and 'scarily' accurate. No, astrology is not a buffet of generalities, it's very delianated if you are familiar with more indepth, serious concepts. No two charts are exactly alike or ever will be, either. It's said that pisceans have a bit of every sign in them, that came before us, yet we are still uniquely our own sign. Anyone could make anything seem phony or benign if they really wanted to or dug hard enough. That's the nature of the beast. I agree, human perception or cynicism doesn't change the ultimate truth.
...form, structure and rhythm of functional wholes. This is also why we have the four seasons, the rising tides, the waning and waxing of the moon, and so forth. Life i don't think is by-guess-by-goshum, whichever way the wind blows. To me, this would definately be the harder concept to understand. Everything of the Earth and in the Universe has energy, form, pattern, precision and function.
(also one should never confuse astrologers and psychics, they are completely different.)
...form, structure and rhythm of functional wholes. This is also why we have the four seasons, the rising tides, the waning and waxing of the moon, and so forth. Life i don't think is by-guess-by-goshum, whichever way the wind blows. To me, this would definately be the harder concept to understand. Everything of the Earth and in the Universe has energy, form, pattern, precision and function.
(also one should never confuse astrologers and psychics, they are completely different.)
I would say more accurate than a god ... in which we have no proof, only blind faith in an existance. We know for an absolute fact that planets exist, and that the earth, as well as it inhabitants are influenced by magnetic energy pulls of planets on the ecliptic plane.
(("No, astrology is not a buffet of generalities"
I disagree.))
Your ignorance about the subject will compel you to disagree. Because you dont have sufficient information to doubt your current perspective. No one can help you in that department. You can see if you learn how to see. Else it will all look like spooky stuff.
I disagree.))
Your ignorance about the subject will compel you to disagree. Because you dont have sufficient information to doubt your current perspective. No one can help you in that department. You can see if you learn how to see. Else it will all look like spooky stuff.
((I would say more accurate than a god))
yup.
Astrology, along with few more undiscovered natural laws = God. Its the architecture that integrates the entire set of natural laws into one. Its just that religious idea of God as a king or a president is more easy for people to imagine and digest than a complex system of cosmos and how it controls everything.
yup.
Astrology, along with few more undiscovered natural laws = God. Its the architecture that integrates the entire set of natural laws into one. Its just that religious idea of God as a king or a president is more easy for people to imagine and digest than a complex system of cosmos and how it controls everything.
Well said, P and TL, i agree..
Ther are no absolute truths.
Your truth is different from my truth, is different from her truth. We make our own truths, often unknowingly.
Your truth is different from my truth, is different from her truth. We make our own truths, often unknowingly.
*double posts*
Screw the truth. Tell me lies! Tell me sweet little lies!
How often have you witnessed a person who was under the impression their rising sign was in Virgo, and then suddenly discover it is actually in Gemini? What brings about the common reaction: "No wonder I am so [temperamental]! THAT explains everything!"?
((Your truth is different from my truth, is different from her truth. We make our own truths, often unknowingly.))
Its called perception. not truth. i cannot help if you choose to label your perceptions as truth.
Its called perception. not truth. i cannot help if you choose to label your perceptions as truth.
truth = perception
that's what i'm saying. sorry if you didn't pick up on that.
that's what i'm saying. sorry if you didn't pick up on that.
nope. Trust is not equal to perception. Its deducted out of multiple perceptions.
""nope. Trust is not equal to perception. Its deducted out of multiple perceptions.""
You mean a consensus? Like the "consensus" that concluded that Pluto was no longer a planet?
You mean a consensus? Like the "consensus" that concluded that Pluto was no longer a planet?
** truth i mean.
((No. My non-ignorance in many OTHER subjects will compel me to disagree with you. We've had this discussion. You didn't factor in probability , remember?
What are your degrees in, the libran?))
Degrees in what?
Your non ignorance in many other subject will make you obtuse. be mindful of that. Say if you learned psychology, you will reject astrology openly. Because you got too much involved with an alternate man made structure of analysis which is far more easier to comprehend. If you learned football first, you will not like cricket. If you read a book first, you will not like the movie which was made based on that book.
What are your degrees in, the libran?))
Degrees in what?
Your non ignorance in many other subject will make you obtuse. be mindful of that. Say if you learned psychology, you will reject astrology openly. Because you got too much involved with an alternate man made structure of analysis which is far more easier to comprehend. If you learned football first, you will not like cricket. If you read a book first, you will not like the movie which was made based on that book.
((what the hell kind of comparison is that?))
Basic human nature. Why is that every one in this world keep saying that their moms food is the best, their native country is the best, their religion is the best and so on??? Think about it for a while before you allow your existing set of past patterns and prejudices influence you to reject it.
Basic human nature. Why is that every one in this world keep saying that their moms food is the best, their native country is the best, their religion is the best and so on??? Think about it for a while before you allow your existing set of past patterns and prejudices influence you to reject it.
Why does science accept electricity without knowing what it is?
Because we have proved its demonstratable effects that it exists.
Science also accepts magnetism without knowing exactly what it is?
Yes, although we do not know whether it is force, fluid, or quality- we have proven it by its demonstratable effects.
And life itself, science says, it doesnt know its cause- but it recognizes its existence.
Of course, anything that has a demonstratable effect must be accepted!
Then the demonstratable effects of astrology are entitled to serious scientific consideration, arent they?
Certainly not! Science will not accept astrology on the basis of mere demonstratable effects!
Because we have proved its demonstratable effects that it exists.
Science also accepts magnetism without knowing exactly what it is?
Yes, although we do not know whether it is force, fluid, or quality- we have proven it by its demonstratable effects.
And life itself, science says, it doesnt know its cause- but it recognizes its existence.
Of course, anything that has a demonstratable effect must be accepted!
Then the demonstratable effects of astrology are entitled to serious scientific consideration, arent they?
Certainly not! Science will not accept astrology on the basis of mere demonstratable effects!
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((Certainly not! Science will not accept astrology on the basis of mere demonstratable effects!))
It cannot be demonstrated within the narrow minded methods of science. And everyone who have tried to explain astrology to scientists in the past were astrologers who blindly follow the traditional system of astrology.
It cannot be demonstrated within the narrow minded methods of science. And everyone who have tried to explain astrology to scientists in the past were astrologers who blindly follow the traditional system of astrology.
"soooo how accurate is astrology?"
you're the only person who can answer that question.
you're the only person who can answer that question.
You stole the words from my mouth krysrenee. I always knew that bible states nowhere about the astrology not being true, rather not being the right way. That is, because the people don't know how to use it properly, sort of a "forbidden information". For me, astrology, religion, spirituality, all go hand-in-hand. They are all a part, a slice of the truth that is not governed by science, or which science can't explain (as of now). Personally, I think the only thing that I let be a part of my life is truth. From whatever source it comes from. I always declare myself as a believer. To me it's an important thing, an important way of dealing with my spiritual substance. At the same time, denying the obvious part of the truth is not a way.
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Well, in that same verse (Bible), God talks about detesting mediums & spiritualist (all of which serve as the TRUTH-tellers to some people. Some people might go to a medium or psychic & be told certain things that only a "pyshic" would know, & thus make what that medium said, their truth. And in terms of a Biblical prospective, that is WRONG & detestable by God. I think everyone comes into astrology with a certain curiosity but for those who have deeply transitioned themselves through the word of God, they STILL only allow for certain things to be "their truth" and if God says astrology is wrong (science or not), then they take his word for it & only let themselves feed into all of the hocus pocus of it.
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Well, in that same verse (Bible), God talks about detesting mediums & spiritualist (all of which serve as the TRUTH-tellers to some people. Some people might go to a medium or psychic & be told certain things that only a "pyshic" would know, & thus make what that medium said, their truth. And in terms of a Biblical prospective, that is WRONG & detestable by God. I think everyone comes into astrology with a certain curiosity but for those who have deeply transitioned themselves through the word of God, they STILL only allow for certain things to be "their truth" and if God says astrology is wrong (science or not), then they take his word for it & only let themselves feed into all of the hocus pocus of it.
and if God says astrology is wrong (science or not), then they take his word for it & only let themselves feed into all of the hocus pocus of it to a certain extent. And most of these people don't let astrology be the basis for alot of their decisions (rather it's choicing the right mate or learning more about themselves). And not to mention, most people aren't 100% educated on astrology, it's history & the true explanation behind it. Some people read 1 book or go to a few sites & assume that they know EVERYTHING about this thing called "astrology", without really being educated on the entire science of it all. and rather people want to believe it or not, astrology IS a science---There are equations, measurements of star alignments, & through the use of numbers & dates, out comes this "truth" that most people either barely, somewhat or completely believe in.
and if God says astrology is wrong (science or not), then they take his word for it & only let themselves feed into all of the hocus pocus of it to a certain extent. And most of these people don't let astrology be the basis for alot of their decisions (rather it's choicing the right mate or learning more about themselves). And not to mention, most people aren't 100% educated on astrology, it's history & the true explanation behind it. Some people read 1 book or go to a few sites & assume that they know EVERYTHING about this thing called "astrology", without really being educated on the entire science of it all. and rather people want to believe it or not, astrology IS a science---There are equations, measurements of star alignments, & through the use of numbers & dates, out comes this "truth" that most people either barely, somewhat or completely believe in.
It's no different than the ACT or SAT tests they made us ALL take in high school that were suppose to measure intelligence, as a means of a gateway into a college university. Some people say that those tests are not fair & literally cannot be the basis for if someone is WORTHY of getting into the school of their dreams. What about the person or people who made up the test? Are they genius' & if they are, how do we know that the specific questions THEY picked out for the test ARE actually the BEST means of measuring a student's worth to a certain college or university? And this is a valid arguement. I think it's the same mentality for those who have a little bit of distrust in astrology. It's no different than the Psychic arguement...if they're so psychic to where they can tell us what we had on yesterday and can even go as DEEP as telling us what our dead ones have to say to us, why didn't they already know the WINNING lottery number? I think most people find SOME truth in astrology & based off of HOW MUCH truth they find in it, choose to incorporate it into their own lives. I think astrology should be noticed & taken seriously, but shouldn't be the basis for how we believe we know ourselves. Because when it comes down to it, you DO have to consider, who created that particular astrology website or WHO wrote that book on astrology. It IS true that sometimes we assume that just because something sounds good & truthful, we assume it to be true. And astrology is not the FIRST subject that humans have had this philosophy with...
Anyone could make anything seem phony or benign if they really wanted to or dug hard enough. That's the nature of the beast. I agree, human perception or cynicism doesn't change the ultimate truth.
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It goes BOTH ways. Anyone could make anything that seems real or even 5% truthful, their truth as a whole. That's the nature of the beast also. The problem is, there is a difference between FACTS (things proven), & beliefs/opinions. The point is, it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to prove that astrology (as a science) is accurate enough that it can be considered the "truth." One person might live & think the EXACT same way their chart says they will, but then again there's another 1 million people who do not (once so ever) see any truth in their chart or what some website or book says about them. People that believe in astrology often forget that one thing that works for you may not work for someone else or be someone else' "truth" and just because it isn't someone else' truth, doesn't mean they are being cynical or naive to the truth. There is nothing wrong with completely believing in astrology (after all, we were raised to believe that there are actually 9 planets in our solar system, but 99% of us have NEVER seen them---and just because there was a picture of suppoed "pluto" in a textbook doesn't mean it's REAL & that it's there.)There is nothing wrong with believing in astrology to the point that one incorporates it into their own lives as a means of making choices & knowing more about themselves, but for the people that DO NOT believe in it, I can completely understand because they're reasons for not being the same believers you are are just as valid.
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It goes BOTH ways. Anyone could make anything that seems real or even 5% truthful, their truth as a whole. That's the nature of the beast also. The problem is, there is a difference between FACTS (things proven), & beliefs/opinions. The point is, it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to prove that astrology (as a science) is accurate enough that it can be considered the "truth." One person might live & think the EXACT same way their chart says they will, but then again there's another 1 million people who do not (once so ever) see any truth in their chart or what some website or book says about them. People that believe in astrology often forget that one thing that works for you may not work for someone else or be someone else' "truth" and just because it isn't someone else' truth, doesn't mean they are being cynical or naive to the truth. There is nothing wrong with completely believing in astrology (after all, we were raised to believe that there are actually 9 planets in our solar system, but 99% of us have NEVER seen them---and just because there was a picture of suppoed "pluto" in a textbook doesn't mean it's REAL & that it's there.)There is nothing wrong with believing in astrology to the point that one incorporates it into their own lives as a means of making choices & knowing more about themselves, but for the people that DO NOT believe in it, I can completely understand because they're reasons for not being the same believers you are are just as valid.
(("Jupiter in Aries
She attracts the most good fortune when she takes the lead, initiates, inspires, and demonstrates enthusiasm and courage."))
Thats just stupid. Its only meant to make people feel better by promising them fortune without defining what is fortune. If you care to cross check most of astrological attributes to planets, it deals with similar words which has no detailed explanation - Powerful, Mystical, secretive, Blessing, Fortune and so on. Its just plain bs.
((The Pluto thing is the stupidest argument with sceptics. ))
That alone make the skeptics look like absolute morons. I love it when they say all those stuff. lol...
If constellations have no role, then most of the birth chart and its human interpretations is just nonsense. We still have to find out what all really affect us. Also it has to be noted that there are many similarities in physical appearance of similar zodiac signs/groups. Which means its somehow influences biological aspects.
Any test of intelligence fails by itself because its only a test.
She attracts the most good fortune when she takes the lead, initiates, inspires, and demonstrates enthusiasm and courage."))
Thats just stupid. Its only meant to make people feel better by promising them fortune without defining what is fortune. If you care to cross check most of astrological attributes to planets, it deals with similar words which has no detailed explanation - Powerful, Mystical, secretive, Blessing, Fortune and so on. Its just plain bs.
((The Pluto thing is the stupidest argument with sceptics. ))
That alone make the skeptics look like absolute morons. I love it when they say all those stuff. lol...
If constellations have no role, then most of the birth chart and its human interpretations is just nonsense. We still have to find out what all really affect us. Also it has to be noted that there are many similarities in physical appearance of similar zodiac signs/groups. Which means its somehow influences biological aspects.
Any test of intelligence fails by itself because its only a test.
""The Pluto thing is the stupidest argument with sceptics. What we call it, makes no significant difference on it's influence. ""
The "pluto thing" was in support of my argument against the existence of absolute truths, not the influence of planets.
Brushing up on your 2nd grade reading comp skills might benefit both you and thlibran.
The "pluto thing" was in support of my argument against the existence of absolute truths, not the influence of planets.
Brushing up on your 2nd grade reading comp skills might benefit both you and thlibran.
I wasnt replying to your pluto post. I didnt even noticed that you posted about pluto. 
No, pretty sure it's a fluid.
"They said no. Where was my Jupiter?"
...I had to.
"They said no. Where was my Jupiter?"
...I had to.
Magnetism? Force? What's next, gravity?
((You look much more like your family members than you do other libras. Do you know why?))
Do you know why you think way different than your parents and your facial gestures look like million others who are no way related to you?
Do you know why you think way different than your parents and your facial gestures look like million others who are no way related to you?
((It's whatever you want it to be.))
its never whatever u want it to be. Its always meant to be understood as how it exists in its natural form. Now since there is facebook and myspace and all, why not u try to go to each members page and start observing the similarities u can find in them. Just similarities and forget abt the differences. Once u see those similarities, try to see if u can find same set of similarities with another zodiac group. You will be surprised.
its never whatever u want it to be. Its always meant to be understood as how it exists in its natural form. Now since there is facebook and myspace and all, why not u try to go to each members page and start observing the similarities u can find in them. Just similarities and forget abt the differences. Once u see those similarities, try to see if u can find same set of similarities with another zodiac group. You will be surprised.
((I think it is incredibly limiting and ignorant to believe that everything must be proven by our limited perception of science, in order to be true.))
EXACTLY!!!. People still carry the idea that if it cannot be proven as per humans requirements of proof, it doesn't exist. How can they be so sure that everything in this universe can satisfy the requirements?
If a person escapes from an accident at one time in a 'miraculous' way which science cannot explain, it doesn't mean that he didn't escaped. Can he repeat the same over and over again and escape all the time to prove that its scientific? Probably not. Why? the time has moved on and they were doing the same experiment on a different time with different stored informations in the persons brain.
EXACTLY!!!. People still carry the idea that if it cannot be proven as per humans requirements of proof, it doesn't exist. How can they be so sure that everything in this universe can satisfy the requirements?
If a person escapes from an accident at one time in a 'miraculous' way which science cannot explain, it doesn't mean that he didn't escaped. Can he repeat the same over and over again and escape all the time to prove that its scientific? Probably not. Why? the time has moved on and they were doing the same experiment on a different time with different stored informations in the persons brain.
(("Especially considering it was fairly recent ago, when humans thought the earth was flat..."
Heh, this is a great sentence which denies the point of denying...))
Yup. the simplest example to explain what some people dont wish to understand.
I do think that its possible to deduct back the missing link if we can align rest of the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle with its acceptable set of probabilities within a speculated framework. But still it would be quite a work too prove everything without proving the missing link.
Heh, this is a great sentence which denies the point of denying...))
Yup. the simplest example to explain what some people dont wish to understand.
I do think that its possible to deduct back the missing link if we can align rest of the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle with its acceptable set of probabilities within a speculated framework. But still it would be quite a work too prove everything without proving the missing link.
Look, people are going to have their different beliefs on what they considered to have SOME truth to or on something they consider their "absolute truth." One way or the other, people must understand that astrology is not as effective in the minds of some while it is very important & useful for others. Hell, there are alot of people who don't believe Jesus was the son of God. There are people who don't believe Jesus OR God exists at all. Astrology is not the FIRST subject discussed with these set of circumstances. BUT when it comes down to it, I respect those who believe in astrology to the point that it has become 'their truth' and I can ALSO understand those who think it's a bunch of balogne. And for the people that don't believe in it, we can't always assume that "well, they just don't know everything about astrology, that's why"...No, that's not true. It's not different than the common atheist. Some of these people have read the Bible more than the average Catholic or Christian & YES, some people still come out of the experience still not believing. And all that matters is that, in THEIR minds, & how they see it, it's not real. And it goes the same for the believers. Either way, we can sit & Argue all day about a topic that has been debated for centuries, but in the long run, it's rare that a believer's mind is changed (especially when you attempt to change 'their truth') and it goes both ways---When someone doesn't believe, they just don't (and we have to assume that they are just as educated as the believers on astrology & that even AFTER, they've still decided to not involve themselves in it.)
Witchcraft is HUGEEEE in Southern Africa! In that part of the country, witchcraft is "their truth"..They believe in it, they believe in it's magic & there is NOTHING any of us over here in the U.S. can do about that. Sure, witchcraft hasn't necessarily been proven scientifically or morally to be accurate or correct, but how these people believe in it so strong, some of us might say OH PLEASE, That's BULL! Well it goes both way when talking about astrology.
Witchcraft is HUGEEEE in Southern Africa! In that part of the country, witchcraft is "their truth"..They believe in it, they believe in it's magic & there is NOTHING any of us over here in the U.S. can do about that. Sure, witchcraft hasn't necessarily been proven scientifically or morally to be accurate or correct, but how these people believe in it so strong, some of us might say OH PLEASE, That's BULL! Well it goes both way when talking about astrology.
I thinks there's a tremendous amount of stubborness when it comes to trying to change a believer's mind or hell, even an unbeliever's mind. Believers will sit & argue with you all day & attempt to conjur up in their own heads why the unbelievers just don't have all the facts or are just "naive to the truth" all together. And the whole time, the unbeliever (who TRULY see astrology as everything BUT their truth) is sitting around with the same "I'm not changing my mind, I have the same facts you do" stubborness to them. IT's all about being open minded. Hell in the year 2090, astrology might be something that was ONCE accepted as something that was true, just like the "earth as flat" theory was. It's okay to be a believer or a non believer but when others don't have the same "truth" as you, people get offended & trying to stress all day while THEIR truth is the ONLY way to go is a form of denial & an rejection to being open minded & this same theory goes to the people who completely have their radars shut off to the subject of astrology.
A believer = stupid. Its that simple. bcoz belief is something which happens when u cannot touch truth. If it was true, no one will care to say I believe. Believe expresses doubt and unclear concepts. So whoever believes in religion or astrology is in the same position. Point is to get past the beliefs and actually begin to verify everything to see if it all exists in the way we believe it. Does it have any rational base? Is the cause of so and so consequences the same as the one i wish to believe or can it be something totally different. Its very simple to do this step by step if u keep an open mind towards searching for truth than believing.
Well YOUR definition of "Belief" is something you are taking into a LITERAL sense. If you said, "I believe my name is John" that you are implying that you THINK your name is John versus KNOWING your name is John. When I say I BELIEVE in God that means exactly what it sounds like! Would it make you feel better if people said words like, "I KNOW" or "The TRUTH IS.."...Either way, your talking about word usage more than the actual concept of believing. I BELIEVE in God, I KNOW there's a GOD & in MY mind, there is PROOF that there is a God. You may see things differently & that's ok because hey, if God made all 7.8 billion of us alike in appearance & in thoughts this world would be WHACKKK!
"If it was true, no one will care to say I believe"
And it's the same for non believers. If something didn't seem to have atleast SOME truth to it then the non believers wouldn't be on the same board debating something that supposedly doesn't exist. And to an extent, this board consists of mainly astrology & subjects in correlation with astrology so the fact that YOU'RE HERE on this board discussing issues about something you supposedly don't "believe in" is a direct contradiction to what you're saying.
"If it was true, no one will care to say I believe"
And it's the same for non believers. If something didn't seem to have atleast SOME truth to it then the non believers wouldn't be on the same board debating something that supposedly doesn't exist. And to an extent, this board consists of mainly astrology & subjects in correlation with astrology so the fact that YOU'RE HERE on this board discussing issues about something you supposedly don't "believe in" is a direct contradiction to what you're saying.
A believer = stupid
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And since you're so into word usage, then let's take a minute & look at the definition for Stupid & then skip over to the defintion of believer. I'm pretty sure they BOTH have completely different definitions. If you're going to be a nonbeliever, that's fine (you're not hurting ME by not believing in something I believe in) but don't be ignorant in your non belief theories because the FIRST step in convincing a believer that you have a valid point is to come with the facts & come with a better explanation for why we should think the way you do. And what you're saying is contradictory & doesn't make much sense. So how do you think us believers are looking at you? In our case, we see you as just someone who DOES NOT have all of their facts, does not have enough facts to support your OWN thesis, thus what you're saying just becomes
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And since you're so into word usage, then let's take a minute & look at the definition for Stupid & then skip over to the defintion of believer. I'm pretty sure they BOTH have completely different definitions. If you're going to be a nonbeliever, that's fine (you're not hurting ME by not believing in something I believe in) but don't be ignorant in your non belief theories because the FIRST step in convincing a believer that you have a valid point is to come with the facts & come with a better explanation for why we should think the way you do. And what you're saying is contradictory & doesn't make much sense. So how do you think us believers are looking at you? In our case, we see you as just someone who DOES NOT have all of their facts, does not have enough facts to support your OWN thesis, thus what you're saying just becomes
Right. It's no different than taking a test for a company so that they can determine if you have the right skills to work for their company. Sure, that ONE test may not tell them everything you need to know about you & may not accurately detail what you can provide for the company, but I bet you'll still take that test if you want that job bad enough. Colleges make people write essays as another tool of admission to their university. And sure, it's not logical that that ONE essay can possibly hold the key into your future at that university or at another but it does. And astrology is the same way. There are ALOT of things in life that we cannot deem as "the truth" because we can't physically touch it or see it but the aspect of astrology & God are in the same, when it comes to the amount of mental openess it takes to believe in it. Believing in astrology means that you have accepted the fact that planetary movements & rotations have an effect on one's personality in life. It's no different than hearing a doctor say, if you sing to your child, it soothes them in the womb OR hearing the phrase "athletics run in the family" as a means of some genetic comparisons. Sure, there is no way to PROVE that singing to babies is soothing to them when they're in the womb, but guess what, there has been ENOUGH research & enough belief in this theory that they decided to go ahead & put this in baby books, now didn't they? The philosophy is the same
"Aquarius was said to be the one who likes it the most"
And see even then, I can read what you just posted & make that statement my truth & go tell the whole world that Aquarians are the most likely to like astrology. And in reality, some people might take your statement & make it their truth & their opinion from here on out & then there's the people who will say, "Well wait a minute, did they survey EVERY SINGLE Aquarian on this planet? Because if they didn't, how do we know that this is a "fact" and not just results from only 15 Aquarians that were polled?" Get my drift...Different people have different ways in determining what their "truth" is. I do agree that it doesn't hurt to be knowledgable about astrology but actually & completely saying those who believe even a little bit in it are stupid is a pure statement of ignorance. And like I said once before, I can understand why some people transition astrology into their own lives (because in THEIR minds it is a learning tool) just like an SAT or ACT is or just like an IQ test is. But it seems like the people who are 100% against it don't have the same validity in their reasons WHY they don't believe in it. They usually just say, "Oh it's fake" and "It's bull" but never really have any evidence to back up their claims (which is fine because that's their choice), but if your argument is going to be lame & filled with everything BUT rationality & intelligence, then it becomes pointless for you to try to WIN this "is it real or is it fake" war against those who actually do believe in it & actually have VALID reasons for their beliefs. That's all.
And see even then, I can read what you just posted & make that statement my truth & go tell the whole world that Aquarians are the most likely to like astrology. And in reality, some people might take your statement & make it their truth & their opinion from here on out & then there's the people who will say, "Well wait a minute, did they survey EVERY SINGLE Aquarian on this planet? Because if they didn't, how do we know that this is a "fact" and not just results from only 15 Aquarians that were polled?" Get my drift...Different people have different ways in determining what their "truth" is. I do agree that it doesn't hurt to be knowledgable about astrology but actually & completely saying those who believe even a little bit in it are stupid is a pure statement of ignorance. And like I said once before, I can understand why some people transition astrology into their own lives (because in THEIR minds it is a learning tool) just like an SAT or ACT is or just like an IQ test is. But it seems like the people who are 100% against it don't have the same validity in their reasons WHY they don't believe in it. They usually just say, "Oh it's fake" and "It's bull" but never really have any evidence to back up their claims (which is fine because that's their choice), but if your argument is going to be lame & filled with everything BUT rationality & intelligence, then it becomes pointless for you to try to WIN this "is it real or is it fake" war against those who actually do believe in it & actually have VALID reasons for their beliefs. That's all.
((but don't be ignorant in your non belief theories because the FIRST step in convincing a believer that you have a valid point is to come with the facts & come with a better explanation for why we should think the way you do.))
There are things which everyone have to learn on their own. There is no one who can teach you truth. You will have to find it out by yourself. The moment you try to buy my theory after i provide rational explanations, that only makes you a believer. Can you see the difference? Another option is to reject my theory and remain where you remain and think no further. And a third option is to make yourself think about the possibilities for another theory to be true.
What if everything you knew about astrology is not the way it is but you cannot see it simply because you believe in a higher power? Since your details on various zodiac traits looks way similar to that of other astrologers who are religious, its a higher possibility. May be thats the very same reason why it cannot be proved as a science. Can you see the logic?
There are things which everyone have to learn on their own. There is no one who can teach you truth. You will have to find it out by yourself. The moment you try to buy my theory after i provide rational explanations, that only makes you a believer. Can you see the difference? Another option is to reject my theory and remain where you remain and think no further. And a third option is to make yourself think about the possibilities for another theory to be true.
What if everything you knew about astrology is not the way it is but you cannot see it simply because you believe in a higher power? Since your details on various zodiac traits looks way similar to that of other astrologers who are religious, its a higher possibility. May be thats the very same reason why it cannot be proved as a science. Can you see the logic?
I think some people might be cynical because they don't reach out or investigate past their sun-signs quite enough. Has anyone ever checked their own cosmodynes, for instance? That in itself is very eye-opening and quite mathematical. I believe there's human perception of truth, and i also believe there is an ultimate (universal-law) of truth. At the same time, never to negate that human perception or a mix of human perception can share in that ultimate universal truth. (For many various reasons, i will always believe in astrology. Mainly by common sense principles.) i also believe greatly in human will and desire ..astrology is alot about personal potentials and tendencies, yet not neccessarily absolutes.. Knowledge and self-awareness is power, and the power to rise above any challenges you may face.
And just to restate, because i think it's really important:
(Universal Law) ...form, structure and rhythm of functional wholes. This is also why we have the four seasons, the rising tides, the waning and waxing of the moon, and so forth. Life i don't think is by-guess-by-goshum, whichever way the wind blows. To me, this would definately be the (much) harder concept to understand. Everything of the Earth and in the Universe has energy, form, pattern, precision and function. Life in all forms, is of patterns and rhythms, not mere coincidences.. --i truly believe this to be a basic first principle.
And just to restate, because i think it's really important:
(Universal Law) ...form, structure and rhythm of functional wholes. This is also why we have the four seasons, the rising tides, the waning and waxing of the moon, and so forth. Life i don't think is by-guess-by-goshum, whichever way the wind blows. To me, this would definately be the (much) harder concept to understand. Everything of the Earth and in the Universe has energy, form, pattern, precision and function. Life in all forms, is of patterns and rhythms, not mere coincidences.. --i truly believe this to be a basic first principle.
I just want to make sure that everyone understands that I am NOT by any means pointing the finger through my post at any one person in particular. I was clearly stating my opinion on something I feel VERY strongly about & if any of you feel that what I'm stating about "some people" applies to them specifically, then it's out of my hands. Once again, I can completely understand both sides of the arguement. I can completely understand why some just quite simply DO NOT accept the ideology of astrology. Hell, in my eyes, what they DO or DO NOT believe in is not harming me in any way. I am the FIRST person to look at the facts & faults of a situation, but just because I've decided to put a little bit of faith in astrology doesn't mean I haven't ALREADY taken notice to it's faults. Like I said before, everybody's version of the "TRUTH" is different & I'm glad it is. Some non believers who are always trying to make their point that we're all being falsely led on actually make those who ARE believers just that much more satisfied with their decision to believe. And it's the same both ways. Some people base their "truth" on what they can actually see & what has actually been scientifically proven while others base their "truth" on how they believe something accurately effects them the way the book says it should. Either way, both parties have valid points. Its normal for the believers to call the non believers naive to the truth & not as educated on the subject the way the believers are (which is NOT always true because some people 'like me' actually know how to do the same research everyone else does & STILL come up with my own belief). And while I might read one line in a texbook & interpret it the way I want to interpret it, someone else can read the same exact line & get something completely opposite from it. Astrology is just 1 of a million subjects that can be debated all day, but in the end, everyone's opinion will STILL differ. When Jesus rose from the dead (and was their PROOF that he really was the sun of man) some people STILL didn't believe & hey, it was like that millions of years ago, and I'm not suprised things are still the same way today
I am in no way refuting the conjecture that various concepts extend beyond human understanding. In fact, I believe modern-day astrology is a human attempt to make sense of an undecipherable phenomenon.
Of course, all objects are drawn to one another, from the sub-units of atoms, to the revolving planets in space. A basic principle of physics says that we attract one another by means of a gravitational pull. We are influenced by damn near EVERYTHING around us, and vice versa.
However, when you begin to presume traits such as levels of intelligence, temperament, and resourcefulness, based *solely* on a month, date, or time of birth...then I will say you are being irrational.
Of course, all objects are drawn to one another, from the sub-units of atoms, to the revolving planets in space. A basic principle of physics says that we attract one another by means of a gravitational pull. We are influenced by damn near EVERYTHING around us, and vice versa.
However, when you begin to presume traits such as levels of intelligence, temperament, and resourcefulness, based *solely* on a month, date, or time of birth...then I will say you are being irrational.
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