Why do Capricorns hate life?
This topic was created in the Capricorn forum by mission on Saturday, December 5, 2015 and has 47 replies.
Just wondering from an Aries point of view.. 
Thats an interesting idea. My mom is a Capricorn and she always does seem quite controlling and dark when it comes to life. She just nitpicked so many little things with my brothers and I growing up that were not issues at all to us anyway.
She just got this obsession about something we HAD to do or something HAD to happen when said it had to happen and she wouldnt bend at all. My dad was much more laid back and just let us be if we weren't up to mischief. Alot of the time I Iiked going places with my dad as he would allow us to be us if that makes sense, without controlling every little thing we did.
She just got this obsession about something we HAD to do or something HAD to happen when said it had to happen and she wouldnt bend at all. My dad was much more laid back and just let us be if we weren't up to mischief. Alot of the time I Iiked going places with my dad as he would allow us to be us if that makes sense, without controlling every little thing we did.
Posted by Heart
High standards and high expectations.
You Aries are so darned cute with your "go with the flow" attitude. When life knocks you, you just roll with it.
Capricorns are control freaks by nature.
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Posted by AmaraP
Thats an interesting idea. My mom is a Capricorn and she always does seem quite controlling and dark when it comes to life. She just nitpicked so many little things with my brothers and I growing up that were not issues at all to us anyway.
She just got this obsession about something we HAD to do or something HAD to happen when said it had to happen and she wouldnt bend at all. My dad was much more laid back and just let us be if we weren't up to mischief. Alot of the time I Iiked going places with my dad as he would allow us to be us if that makes sense, without controlling every little thing we did.
I've come across and known many Capricorns in my life. One was an ex; that ended terribly. The other was a pastor; a truly friendly guy, but also controlling in his own way (note: not manipulative, but he's had stories of people he kicked out of his church because they tried to "take over," as he put it.) I've had a Capricorn friend, who I miss, and a Capricorn female acquaintance.. They both insisted on controlling the conversation. I've also dealt with Capricorn coworkers, who I essentially leave alone unless they're being mischievous. Now my girlfriend's mother is a Capricorn too. I can't escape them, so I've learned to live with them, and part of that is recognizing patterns. There does seem to be a pattern of darkness and mischief in immature Capricorns, for sure. The mature and balanced Capricorns are great people, just don't cross their boundaries
They also have a mischievous tone in their humor but they'd never hurt a fly.Posted by HeartPosted by missionPosted by Heart
High standards and high expectations.
You Aries are so darned cute with your "go with the flow" attitude. When life knocks you, you just roll with it.
Capricorns are control freaks by nature.
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Rams really do like compliments, eh.
At least Capricorns get younger with age.click to expand
We're naive, so we'll gloss over the sarcasm and own it when we can.
Posted by Heart
I think your question hit a nerve.
As an Aries, I find that incredibly easy thing to do.
Posted by champranger
Actually, I shouldn't say they hate their life. I think if they had a plan and have their life together, then I don't think they hate their life.
If they hate their life, I think it would be because things in their life are not how they wanted it to be.
IMO
They need goals. I wish I had the diligence of a Cap.
Because life sucks ass.
But really-
We are hardened people and brutal realists. Usually, even in childhood, very little was magical or easy for us. We see hard work and vitality as one and the same- nothing good happens without pain. I think also a reason for Cap sadness/anxiousness is our extremely repetitive minds- we think in circles, mostly negatively, and tend to generally expect life to be one shitfest after the other until you die. Oddly enough, I don't think this prohibits us from being joyful or optimistic. The only thing that drives us forward is passion, in my opinion.
But really-
We are hardened people and brutal realists. Usually, even in childhood, very little was magical or easy for us. We see hard work and vitality as one and the same- nothing good happens without pain. I think also a reason for Cap sadness/anxiousness is our extremely repetitive minds- we think in circles, mostly negatively, and tend to generally expect life to be one shitfest after the other until you die. Oddly enough, I don't think this prohibits us from being joyful or optimistic. The only thing that drives us forward is passion, in my opinion.
Posted by scorpionmoon
Because life sucks ass.
But really-
We are hardened people and brutal realists. Usually, even in childhood, very little was magical or easy for us. We see hard work and vitality as one and the same- nothing good happens without pain. I think also a reason for Cap sadness/anxiousness is our extremely repetitive minds- we think in circles, mostly negatively, and tend to generally expect life to be one shitfest after the other until you die. Oddly enough, I don't think this prohibits us from being joyful or optimistic. The only thing that drives us forward is passion, in my opinion.
Cool insight, thanks. Appreciated.
Simple, we can't control it.
Posted by champranger
Actually, I shouldn't say they hate their life. I think if they had a plan and have their life together, then I don't think they hate their life.
If they hate their life, I think it would be because things in their life are not how they wanted it to be.
IMO
DING DING DING!!
Life isn't easy, takes work to be happy with yourself. Anybody who disagrees is kidding themselves.
Posted by GreenteaPosted by champranger
Actually, I shouldn't say they hate their life. I think if they had a plan and have their life together, then I don't think they hate their life.
If they hate their life, I think it would be because things in their life are not how they wanted it to be.
IMO
DING DING DING!!
Life isn't easy, takes work to be happy with yourself. Anybody who disagrees is kidding themselves.click to expand
I'm sure there's a few Leos who feel otherwise..
Posted by missionPosted by GreenteaPosted by champranger
Actually, I shouldn't say they hate their life. I think if they had a plan and have their life together, then I don't think they hate their life.
If they hate their life, I think it would be because things in their life are not how they wanted it to be.
IMO
DING DING DING!!
Life isn't easy, takes work to be happy with yourself. Anybody who disagrees is kidding themselves.
I'm sure there's a few Leos who feel otherwise..click to expand
Heh...even they get solemn when they're life isn't going the way they want. Huge egos!! They cry when they're alone without an audience.
Just because we're serious, doesn't mean we hate life.
The two young Cap girls I've known (one my ex, the other a friend of my now girlfriend,) both in their 20's mind you, were very unstable, manipulative, and self-destructive.. Like, if you disagree with them about something they felt passionately about, you were considered an enemy. My aunt, who passed away this year, was also a Capricorn, and she shut herself off from the world, and became a hermit until she lost her parent's house (both deceased) due to financial problems. When depressed, they shut out the world; when angry, they attack it. I think Capricorns are conceited, which is an issue often unrecognized, and when things don't go their way, they overlook the fact that the problem may not be with the world, but with themselves.
Posted by mission
The two young Cap girls I've known (one my ex, the other a friend of my now girlfriend,) both in their 20's mind you, were very unstable, manipulative, and self-destructive.. Like, if you disagree with them about something they felt passionately about, you were considered an enemy. My aunt, who passed away this year, was also a Capricorn, and she shut herself off from the world, and became a hermit until she lost her parent's house (both deceased) due to financial problems. When depressed, they shut out the world; when angry, they attack it. I think Capricorns are conceited, which is an issue often unrecognized, and when things don't go their way, they overlook the fact that the problem may not be with the world, but with themselves.
You're not telling us anything we don't already know...we've gone over this many many times in our heads. Trust me.
Well, Tyrese(Cap) did write a book titled Getting Out Of my Own Way. I think many Caps, with issues, know it stems from within.
Knowing the issue is the easy part. Its figuring out the solution thats a headache....or even if we know the solution sometimes its simply not wanting to change.
Dont hear conceited much, but an old friend did say he thought my biggest issue was that I am spoiled. My Cancer aunt once said its vanity and too much focus on myself, yet not necessarily in a conceited way...I think just more self centered way, if thats much of a difference.
Knowing the issue is the easy part. Its figuring out the solution thats a headache....or even if we know the solution sometimes its simply not wanting to change.
Dont hear conceited much, but an old friend did say he thought my biggest issue was that I am spoiled. My Cancer aunt once said its vanity and too much focus on myself, yet not necessarily in a conceited way...I think just more self centered way, if thats much of a difference.
*Sigh* Hate is a strong word.
The short answer would be: We know life is a fickle bitch, so when dealing with it, we don't play any games.
The long answer:
We're people that grew up too fast, the world of responsibility, consequence, duty and danger colored the world seen by our pure eyes and ravaged the inner sanctuary of our hearts. However, while on the surface this seems cruel and depressing, it's actually a gift in disguise. While most have to grow-up, come to terms with limitations, broken dreams, missed chances and things left undo, Capricorns came out of the gate knowing that limits will always be a constant in the world. Either you find the means and skills overcome them with your drive fueled by your will or you choose to live life subjugated by every failure and every misfortune in life. We thrive off difficulty, the harder the struggle, the sweeter the fruit of victory tastes on our withered lips.
As for control, yes we are controlling. We have high expectations on ourselves and the world at large. When it gets turned on you, there are a few possible motivations for it.
- They see you as an obstacle to be taken down and out of their way.
- They fear you'll fail and want to save you from the humiliating sting of failure.
- They want the best for you and assume they can guide you to your best option.
If you know a Cap that's super controlling, then it's likely they've learned the limitations of their selves and can't cope with the powerlessness they feel toward anyone other than themselves.
If you want a Cap to get off your behind over things, tell them this: "I appreciate your concern over me, you're kind but you don't have to worry. I can handle the consequences from my actions or inactions and grow as well as learn from them. Your advice is valuable, but it feels like you're almost trying to live my life for me."
This is why as we age, he can come to terms with how harsh life was at the start and then beam with pride that we not only survived but thrived.
The short answer would be: We know life is a fickle bitch, so when dealing with it, we don't play any games.
The long answer:
We're people that grew up too fast, the world of responsibility, consequence, duty and danger colored the world seen by our pure eyes and ravaged the inner sanctuary of our hearts. However, while on the surface this seems cruel and depressing, it's actually a gift in disguise. While most have to grow-up, come to terms with limitations, broken dreams, missed chances and things left undo, Capricorns came out of the gate knowing that limits will always be a constant in the world. Either you find the means and skills overcome them with your drive fueled by your will or you choose to live life subjugated by every failure and every misfortune in life. We thrive off difficulty, the harder the struggle, the sweeter the fruit of victory tastes on our withered lips.
As for control, yes we are controlling. We have high expectations on ourselves and the world at large. When it gets turned on you, there are a few possible motivations for it.
- They see you as an obstacle to be taken down and out of their way.
- They fear you'll fail and want to save you from the humiliating sting of failure.
- They want the best for you and assume they can guide you to your best option.
If you know a Cap that's super controlling, then it's likely they've learned the limitations of their selves and can't cope with the powerlessness they feel toward anyone other than themselves.
If you want a Cap to get off your behind over things, tell them this: "I appreciate your concern over me, you're kind but you don't have to worry. I can handle the consequences from my actions or inactions and grow as well as learn from them. Your advice is valuable, but it feels like you're almost trying to live my life for me."
This is why as we age, he can come to terms with how harsh life was at the start and then beam with pride that we not only survived but thrived.
Lol. Capricorns will break down you little aries and make y'all feel like childish
Posted by FrenchKpricorn
BECAUSE THESE ARIES TROLL US
Posted by Lilianni
Lol. Capricorns will break down you little aries and make y'all feel like childish
Mmm, having had close relations with about ten Caps now, I can definitely say that's not the case.
Posted by SirHorns
*Sigh* Hate is a strong word.
The short answer would be: We know life is a fickle bitch, so when dealing with it, we don't play any games.
The long answer:
We're people that grew up too fast, the world of responsibility, consequence, duty and danger colored the world seen by our pure eyes and ravaged the inner sanctuary of our hearts. However, while on the surface this seems cruel and depressing, it's actually a gift in disguise. While most have to grow-up, come to terms with limitations, broken dreams, missed chances and things left undo, Capricorns came out of the gate knowing that limits will always be a constant in the world. Either you find the means and skills overcome them with your drive fueled by your will or you choose to live life subjugated by every failure and every misfortune in life. We thrive off difficulty, the harder the struggle, the sweeter the fruit of victory tastes on our withered lips.
As for control, yes we are controlling. We have high expectations on ourselves and the world at large. When it gets turned on you, there are a few possible motivations for it.
- They see you as an obstacle to be taken down and out of their way.
- They fear you'll fail and want to save you from the humiliating sting of failure.
- They want the best for you and assume they can guide you to your best option.
If you know a Cap that's super controlling, then it's likely they've learned the limitations of their selves and can't cope with the powerlessness they feel toward anyone other than themselves.
If you want a Cap to get off your behind over things, tell them this: "I appreciate your concern over me, you're kind but you don't have to worry. I can handle the consequences from my actions or inactions and grow as well as learn from them. Your advice is valuable, but it feels like you're almost trying to live my life for me."
This is why as we age, he can come to terms with how harsh life was at the start and then beam with pride that we not only survived but thrived.
Great response. Thank you.
Posted by MAGOG92
Life from an Aries point of view is doing dumb shit like bowling, playing pool, gambling, raving, dropping acid and slutting it up until they cant no more.
Life from a Capricorn point of view is work, walking the dog, going to the bar with couple of friends for a few drinks....but we hate partying so Aries says we hate life.
Aries can be more flexible than Capricorns can be, if that's what you mean. I've met hardworking Capricorns, but the two young female caps I knew have done many harder drugs than I ever attempted, and were lazy and dependent upon their parents to boot. I think you just don't know as much about life as your preconceptions tell you that you do.
Posted by Chance_11Posted by missionPosted by MAGOG92
Life from an Aries point of view is doing dumb shit like bowling, playing pool, gambling, raving, dropping acid and slutting it up until they cant no more.
Life from a Capricorn point of view is work, walking the dog, going to the bar with couple of friends for a few drinks....but we hate partying so Aries says we hate life.
Aries can be more flexible than Capricorns can be, if that's what you mean. I've met hardworking Capricorns, but the two young female caps I knew have done many harder drugs than I ever attempted, and were lazy and dependent upon their parents to boot. I think you just don't know as much about life as your preconceptions tell you that you do.
Aries aren't more flexible, they're just more oblivious so their dense reality suits their purposes. The 'lovable caveman' motif is only cute for as long as others' buy into it. Luckily, there will be no shortage of people that are susceptible to shared ego boosting. I find a lot of amusement in itclick to expand
I'm okay with that analysis. I don't have feel the necessity to better than anyone, just to get things done the way I see it should be, and so far life has been a successful cakewalk for me.
Posted by champranger
But I think though, Chance, reality is something that's hard to be oblivious to. Reality catches up to everyone eventually.
IMO
I think very few people really know what reality is, and it's not revealed to you because of a 'star sign'. Sort of as you said "reality manifests differently to each individual," I think we're simply seeing things with a different vision, and regardless of who you are, you're not seeing it for what it really is. Think about it: if Caps truly were more realistic, they wouldn't get so upset that they couldn't control reality, nor the lives of those involved with them.
My sag bro's cap girlfriend is VERY happy-go-lucky. She is all giggly and smiley and happy and squeaky...Yeah, I am emo by comparison.
I don't hate life so much as wanting to be realistic about things. Enthusiasm is a private thing for me also.
I wouldn't say I hate life. I'm just not as extroverted and self-centered as most of the Aries I know. And i say that with love and slight envy, because most of the men close to me are Aries and are definitely "me first" with the exception of my dad when it comes to his kids. They have the ability to pack up all their belongings in 2 carry on cases, move across the country, make new friends and start a new life in a 30 day timespan. Me, on the other hand....it sounds like a dream I'd never see come true because that type of happy-go-lucky, "irresponsible" behavior doesn't come naturally. I'd worry about where my money is coming from, where I'm going to lay my head, what if something happens back home, what if I fail, what if I don't fit in with the culture, is it possible for my dad to fed-ex ribs...all the worrying about "what ifs" are exhausting and debilitating! I think Capricorns need to be told earlier in life that 1)it's okay to have fun and 2)the whole world isn't being held on their shoulders. I've spent so much time being the voice of reason that actually enjoying life has taken a backseat more than it should have.
Plus I've read that capricorns are more prone to depression, so when life doesn't go as planned, things get blurry. What you may see as "hating life" may be an emptiness or level of apathy that they're trying to manage.
Plus I've read that capricorns are more prone to depression, so when life doesn't go as planned, things get blurry. What you may see as "hating life" may be an emptiness or level of apathy that they're trying to manage.
Posted by Everything_Posted by mission
Just wondering from an Aries point of view..
I don't hate it. I'm just skeptical of it. I used to be much more skeptical until I became a grown up and established in it. I used to question its meaning. Think it's abstract or surreal. I know Aries people don't question a lot in the same way. That's because you're not as deep. My mother is an Aries. Everytime I asked her about the meaning of life she gives a completely simple answer like : so that we can have children and be happy. Duuuh. That's like saying "to make tea for guests". That's to not have understood my question.
I've learnt to love life. I mean it. Really. I'm getting better at appreciating the little things, for each day that passes. I truly love life. I love love. I love my mother and siblings.click to expand
I hope you're joking. For such a "deep" thinker, you sure didn't put much thought into how narrow minded your generalization of Aries individuals came off as. Also, if you were to subscribe to the whole idea that an individual's ability for abstract thought is reliant upon their signs, and has nothing to do with genetics and environment, then you would have at least thought to look into which planet supposedly influences intellectual aptitude. If the only Capricorn I knew closely suffered from autism, I wouldn't say that Capricorns are autistic.
Skepticism and pessimism aren't mutually inclusive of one another. Secondly, you could be a realist and optimistic, or you could be a pessimist and deluded about how life really is. Some of the unhappiest people I've met are the ones that think the world revolves around them, and some, who realize they are a small part of a picture, could be just as happy with riches as they would be sleeping under a bridge. Life is not so black and white as you might like to think, and not all Aries, nor Caps, nor Gems, nor Scorpios, and so on, etc., behave the same way. There is far too much going on in reality for us to make such simple classifications.
Posted by Capriunicorn
I wouldn't say I hate life. I'm just not as extroverted and self-centered as most of the Aries I know. And i say that with love and slight envy, because most of the men close to me are Aries and are definitely "me first" with the exception of my dad when it comes to his kids. They have the ability to pack up all their belongings in 2 carry on cases, move across the country, make new friends and start a new life in a 30 day timespan. Me, on the other hand....it sounds like a dream I'd never see come true because that type of happy-go-lucky, "irresponsible" behavior doesn't come naturally. I'd worry about where my money is coming from, where I'm going to lay my head, what if something happens back home, what if I fail, what if I don't fit in with the culture, is it possible for my dad to fed-ex ribs...all the worrying about "what ifs" are exhausting and debilitating! I think Capricorns need to be told earlier in life that 1)it's okay to have fun and 2)the whole world isn't being held on their shoulders. I've spent so much time being the voice of reason that actually enjoying life has taken a backseat more than it should have.
Plus I've read that capricorns are more prone to depression, so when life doesn't go as planned, things get blurry. What you may see as "hating life" may be an emptiness or level of apathy that they're trying to manage.
Aries can very well come of as self-centered. A lot of us who are certainly don't realize it. I honestly will the best for everyone, and sometimes I don't realize how selfish my actions seem. However, what may seem "irresponsible" to you, are simply "calculated risks" to us. You seem to see us as packing two bags and leaving as selfish, but we're not the ones worrying about where our money is coming from, where our bed will be, or if we fail. With or without the help of others, we pick our heads up, and move on the next day. If I had a family, I would give them everything I had. My career would be based on how best I could financially provide for them, and still be around to guide them up in a straight and wholesome way. But while I don't have a family, there is a whole world and life out there that I can experience and synthesize into a great thing for myself, my family back home, and the friends I've yet to meet. Absolutely, there are certain circumstances with aging or unhealthy family where you must take their livelihood and happiness into consideration, but if your friends and family are happy, a part of them wants to see you grow, and a part of them is missing out from the person you would've been if you had taken another path. There are lessons out there in the wild that no one in your circle has learned yet, and sometimes its our jobs to learn lessons simply for the sake of others.
There is so much going on, and we have so little time and little control. The best thing we
Posted by Everything_Posted by missionPosted by Everything_Posted by mission
Just wondering from an Aries point of view..
I don't hate it. I'm just skeptical of it. I used to be much more skeptical until I became a grown up and established in it. I used to question its meaning. Think it's abstract or surreal. I know Aries people don't question a lot in the same way. That's because you're not as deep. My mother is an Aries. Everytime I asked her about the meaning of life she gives a completely simple answer like : so that we can have children and be happy. Duuuh. That's like saying "to make tea for guests". That's to not have understood my question.
I've learnt to love life. I mean it. Really. I'm getting better at appreciating the little things, for each day that passes. I truly love life. I love love. I love my mother and siblings.
I hope you're joking. For such a "deep" thinker, you sure didn't put much thought into how narrow minded your generalization of Aries individuals came off as. Also, if you were to subscribe to the whole idea that an individual's ability for abstract thought is reliant upon their signs, and has nothing to do with genetics and environment, then you would have at least thought to look into which planet supposedly influences intellectual aptitude. If the only Capricorn I knew closely suffered from autism, I wouldn't say that Capricorns are autistic.
Skepticism and pessimism aren't mutually inclusive of one another. Secondly, you could be a realist and optimistic, or you could be a pessimist and deluded about how life really is. Some of the unhappiest people I've met are the ones that think the world revolves around them, and some, who realize they are a small part of a picture, could be just as happy with riches as they would be sleeping under a bridge. Life is not so black and white as you might like to think, and not all Aries, nor Caps, nor Gems, nor Scorpios, and so on, etc., behave the same way. There is far too much going on in reality for us to make such simple classifications.
You're right. It was wrong of me to generalize. What I wrote was based on personal experience, that's what this site is for. If you neither generalize nor tell people about your experience then I don't see the point of writing anything at all? Or of being here.
It's just that I know a lot of aries people and I love them, but they're not as existentially inquisitive as myself. They're not as troubled by the world.
I would love to be proved wrong. To meet an aries who is more like an introvert sign.click to expand
I understand, I've seen the seeming pointlessness of much that goes on. But I also see patterns, and sometimes I like to think that there is a purpose. I question things daily; myself most of all. But I don't think you must be troubled by the world. I think Aries and Caps are both capable of seeing the same depth in life, but we might approach it from a different angles because of our situations. As an Aries, I think my path to maturity involves not trying to embrace life, but by letting it go. It's hard to move forward with the weight of the world on your shoulders, and knowing that the world doesn't serve you means being okay that not everything will go right. I am an Aries, and very little in my life works well for me. Could that be in part because of my behavior and my flaws? Yes, but it's also the cards that life dealt me in the beginning, and continues to deal me every day. The bad things in life are only bad because we see them in bad; in essence, everything is neutral. I think, as an Aries, I choose to apply my own meaning to these little things that could drag me down.
I have empathy for Caps suffering depression. My aunt shut the world off and died alone for the most part because she was dejected. I suffered with depression for years (Cap moon/Cancer in Mars) and it debilitated me. But the more I let go - the more I let the reality around me act freely from my determining them as good or bad - the happier I became. Things I once saw as troubling slowly became less of a burden and more as a curiosity, a neutrality to be understood, respected, and worked with. My ability to bounce around in life, seemingly carefree (it's really not; there's much more brooding beneath the surface,) depends upon my ability to be alert of my present and future, having learned from the past, but not bogged down by the presumed negativities.
I have empathy for Caps suffering depression. My aunt shut the world off and died alone for the most part because she was dejected. I suffered with depression for years (Cap moon/Cancer in Mars) and it debilitated me. But the more I let go - the more I let the reality around me act freely from my determining them as good or bad - the happier I became. Things I once saw as troubling slowly became less of a burden and more as a curiosity, a neutrality to be understood, respected, and worked with. My ability to bounce around in life, seemingly carefree (it's really not; there's much more brooding beneath the surface,) depends upon my ability to be alert of my present and future, having learned from the past, but not bogged down by the presumed negativities.
Posted by Everything_
...ese two signs are probably the two deepest in the zodiac. Not my intention to judge. Just thinking.
I to think of my self (but of course it's very difficult to make objective observations of one self) that I don't care much of the outer circumstances. I don't know if that's a cap thing or whatever. I mean I care, but not THAT much, because it's as though my world is really inside of myself. So I don't really see myself as a part of this world to let it affect me in too high of a degree. This world i surreal to me in a sense. Still. Even though I'm grown up and established. My real world is inside of me. It sounds silly. Don't even know what I'm saying.
I think each sign has its way of affecting our behavior, but I don't subscribe completely to the idea that any sign is "deeper" than another. For example, I think that if we were to pick a constant conclusion that each sign must reach, and they would each reach that conclusion at a different speed and through different methods. I don't think Earth signs, for instance, are more capable to reach, think, or live 'deeper' than any other sign, but because of their tendency to persevere/grow/continue down a path longer, they reach a 'deeper' conclusion much more often. I think sun signs are just as capable to reach an end at any depth, but we're less inclined to continue down the same direction, so we often only breach the surface so far. This has its positives and negatives for both signs. While a Capricorn could, for example, brood longer upon a subject and reach more thoughtful conclusions due to the time spent pondering, an Aries wouldn't be so cemented on that thought, and is more open to change. In some instances this works against the Aries, as we can almost seem ADHD, however, we can jump back and forth down similar paths too, that can help us reach as deep, without cementing us in the conclusion. I believe Capricorns are more conservative than Aries, so while Aries might be a bit explosive and immature, we also aren't so stuck on old things. While a Capricorn could gain new insights by continually digging down, Aries can gain new insights by digging down, then right, then left, the down, then back. We both dig the same amount, but Aries just doesn't dig in the same direction forever. I'm just thinking out loud here, though; just giving ideas.
So with this in mind, I think the Capricorn in me helps to keep my Aries grounded. The Capricorn moon allows me to have fairly controlled emotions. While it helps to tame my Aries excitement, it can also prevent me from getting ambitious when I need to. I have a fairly mild temperament in real life, and I'm not as easily angered and more patient than most Aries because my emotions aren't constantly stirred. However, this also means that if I come across someone who is sad, and I am not, I'm not as prone to empathize, which I feel kinda crappy about. Like, in my thoughts I feel for that person, and I wish I could change things for them with the snap of my fingers, but my emotional state is just more of a constant neutral and not prone to cry with the victim. I am glad I have a Cap moon, though, because it helps me persevere in my work. My Cancer Mars, for sure, is something I wish I could get rid of. If it weren't for my Cap moon, which keeps a largely stabilized emotion, my Cancer Mars would make me prone to massive mood swings. My Cancer Mars works directly against my Aries, and if it weren't for my Cap Moon to balance the two, I'm sure I'd be a giant, selfish baby I have a lot of maturing and work to do in order to turn that Cancer into something productive.
I have a lot of maturing and work to do in order to turn that Cancer into something productive.Also, I have to apologize that I took your opinion about Aries personally. This is, actually, a fault of Aries - to take the opinions of others personally. Something I've come to recognize and need to work on. I'm grateful to your openness to consider my situation
Posted by Everything_Posted by missionPosted by Everything_
I think each sign has its way of affecting our behavior, but I don't subscribe completely to the idea that any sign is "deeper" than another. ….., Aries can gain new insights by digging down, then right, then left, the down, then back. We both dig the same amount, but Aries just doesn't dig in the same direction forever. I'm just thinking out loud here, though; just giving ideas.
I feel a bit confused. Cause i thought one couldn't say that something goes for a whole sun sign population as a rule. Yet you're speaking in terms of these very categorizations.click to expand
I'll give a loose analogy on why I think we can reach the same depth. Let's say we're both on our way to point A. I can take a zig-zag path, going down different roads, and visit different places than you would taking the straight path there, but get there eventually like you would. You might get there sooner, but you have fewer references to different places than that one road. Furthermore, if you were to continue straight, you could go past point A, while I might have just only gotten to point A while visiting other places as well. Could I take the straight road? Easily. I could do the same thing you do. I'm just not inclined to do it. My zig-zag path could be seen as hectic or messy, but it could also be seen as more creative. On the same note, you might go further down the same road, and that might read as perseverance, but it could also be seen as boring, conservative, unlikely to change.. That's why I think they're more prone to depression - their behaviors can loop and seem almost redundant. However, I also think Capricorns are capable to change, too, even if they're not as apt to do it as Aries are. I think they can finally pick a different direction as soon as they hit point A, and finally start a different path. That's why I say we can reach the same depth, I just think Aries are less likely to reach the same depth as often, and Capricorn are less likely to change paths as often. Sure, I agree that Aries seem to be more breadth, Capricorns seem to be more depth, but with determination, either one is capable of either mode.
I'm sorry to confuse you. Of course these are generalizations, I'm just playing along with them. I don't think they're all true, all the time. I've met Capricorns of all types: I've met lonely, depressed Capricorns, I've met extravert Capricorns who have to be with a person all the time. I've met two atheist Capricorns, I've met two Capricorns who are pastors. I've met hardworking Capricorns, I've met lazy Capricorns with destructive habits. I'm unsure why, but I've had a lot of
Capricorns in my life, and while I see patterns, I think it's mostly confirmation bias. I'm not completely sure I even believe Astrology, it's just another theory that I think is interesting to think about, so I'm playing along with the generalizations.
As far as generalizations go, I think we can allow ourselves to point out observations and patterns, but I don't think we can make statements using absolutes, and that's why I had a problem with your generalization. I don't think we can say "all" Aries are that way, or "all" Caps are that way (my title for this thread was provocative, I'll admit, but only for a little fun,) but I think we can say "many" or "few" and get away with it.
Also, I'm INTP and have very few friends in real life. I'm a learned extravert and deal with social anxiety.
As far as generalizations go, I think we can allow ourselves to point out observations and patterns, but I don't think we can make statements using absolutes, and that's why I had a problem with your generalization. I don't think we can say "all" Aries are that way, or "all" Caps are that way (my title for this thread was provocative, I'll admit, but only for a little fun,) but I think we can say "many" or "few" and get away with it.
Also, I'm INTP and have very few friends in real life. I'm a learned extravert and deal with social anxiety.
Posted by missionPosted by champranger
Actually, I shouldn't say they hate their life. I think if they had a plan and have their life together, then I don't think they hate their life.
If they hate their life, I think it would be because things in their life are not how they wanted it to be.
IMO
They need goals. I wish I had the diligence of a Cap.click to expand
I hope this new year makes me get shit done like a Cap
Posted by Everything_ I agree that all signs are capable of reaching any material goal. But not necessarily a spiritual one or an emotional one. Not in the same way. Sometimes they can reach a goal in so different ways that their ways don't cross even once. But you know what. I think we're meant to be different. I don't think the world could evolve with only boring earth signs. I don't think it's better to be deep than to not be. I think it's hard to be deep. It's troubling. Like you're saying, too much depth is paralyzing. It makes you handicapped in the world. That's why I'm so happy for all my crazy other extroverted placements. I was an extremely shy capricorn child. I was moody during all of my adolescence. Today I'm the most extraverted person i know. You wouldn't even know I'm a cap. and I'm thankful because the other stuff was difficult to live with. Maybe we have different kinds of depth. That i could imagine.But we have to decide if we are going to believe in astrology or not and if we are, then we have to generalize somewhere. Don't you think? I totally agree on your way of describing how we reach insight. That's so true. And I think that the world needs both of these ways of reaching insight.
I really like the way you think, by the way. Thanks for handling my opinions gracefully, I have a poor tendency to think -while- I speak/write.
Yes, it's probably best to decide whether or not we believe in Astrology, but I'm not close to making that commitment, so I'm often back and forth between playing along and then contradicting myself by speaking from the opposite camp of skepticism toward Astrology.Posted by SirHorns
*Sigh* Hate is a strong word.
The short answer would be: We know life is a fickle bitch, so when dealing with it, we don't play any games.
The long answer:
We're people that grew up too fast, the world of responsibility, consequence, duty and danger colored the world seen by our pure eyes and ravaged the inner sanctuary of our hearts. However, while on the surface this seems cruel and depressing, it's actually a gift in disguise. While most have to grow-up, come to terms with limitations, broken dreams, missed chances and things left undo, Capricorns came out of the gate knowing that limits will always be a constant in the world. Either you find the means and skills overcome them with your drive fueled by your will or you choose to live life subjugated by every failure and every misfortune in life. We thrive off difficulty, the harder the struggle, the sweeter the fruit of victory tastes on our withered lips.
As for control, yes we are controlling. We have high expectations on ourselves and the world at large. When it gets turned on you, there are a few possible motivations for it.
- They see you as an obstacle to be taken down and out of their way.
- They fear you'll fail and want to save you from the humiliating sting of failure.
- They want the best for you and assume they can guide you to your best option.
If you know a Cap that's super controlling, then it's likely they've learned the limitations of their selves and can't cope with the powerlessness they feel toward anyone other than themselves.
If you want a Cap to get off your behind over things, tell them this: "I appreciate your concern over me, you're kind but you don't have to worry. I can handle the consequences from my actions or inactions and grow as well as learn from them. Your advice is valuable, but it feels like you're almost trying to live my life for me."
This is why as we age, he can come to terms with how harsh life was at the start and then beam with pride that we not only survived but thrived.
Could not be stated better
Posted by Everything_
I actúally have 3 friends born around the time that you were born. aries 91 right? one has taurus moon, one has pisces and one has aqua. i like them all. especially two of them. so they have cancer mars as well and i can't really sense the cancer apart from the fact that they are really nice and kind. pretty lovable. but i guess i don't have a lot of other close aries friends to compare with. my mother has taurus mars. they're not childish or anything but maybe its different with men. i can definitely sense the aries in them. they love listening to their own voices. and they're not the best at listening to others. or even caring too much about others. i think the cancer mars makes them more like a cap in whole. I'm sure it makes them a little more introvert and caring (after all) than the standard aries. I'm honestly unsure of how big of an effect a cap moon (or any moon really) has in a personality. because doesn't it reflect what we look for in a partner? or a friend?
Btw do you realize how much of a cardinal explosion you are?? And how cool that is. theres a lot of power in you. you could do anything you wanted. and then the moon-mars opposition thing is also powerful as hell. what degree is your moon and asc?
Aries '91, indeed
Thank you for pointing that out! I've actually been really down on myself lately because I don't like my placements. I never noticed how 'Cardinal' they are.. Moon is 1 degree and Ascendant is 3 degrees. Not sure what this means.. I've known my placements for a few years, but I haven't looked much into astrology until this Autumn. Funny how you mention the "not best at listening," thing. I didn't realize how much I didn't listen until about a year ago; now, in real life, I practice actively listening and asking more questions about who I'm talking with than I do talk about myself.. Now you're making me realize that I should let others lead the conversation more often anyway. Speaking with Earthy people who I admire, I often enjoy just listening to them - I notice they usually don't like to listen to me, anyway, so I figured I'm going to enjoy time with them somehow, and my first breakthrough with this is to just listen to them talk, and when they stop, just ask them a question about something I'm sure they have experience with. Cancer Mars makes a person's personality/behavior more dependent upon their mood - an immature/undeveloped Cancer Mars, from what I've read, only does things if they feel like it.. I can say from experience that I've felt similar things. A developed Cancer Mars, however, will be more caring and protective of others (again, from what I've read.)I will just add my first original comment to this.
It is one thing to say Capricorns and it is another to say Capricorn energy. Any sign with no other influences will act like that sign but of course few birth charts are that one dimensional that you onku get one flavor to a person.
Further Caps are logical---they recognize limitations exist--- Fire sign (ENERGY does not).
They are optimists.
Caps are realists not pessimists they can are more prone to be pessimistic as fire energy is more prone to being too optimistic.
Limitations and practicality is what fire signs struggle with and same with water signs. Scorpio energy understands limitations best of those signs (Scorp energy is over suspicious and think everyone is our get them and defensive)
Air signs are practical too. They are logical and communicative. They just seek friends more than water or earth especially.
It is one thing to say Capricorns and it is another to say Capricorn energy. Any sign with no other influences will act like that sign but of course few birth charts are that one dimensional that you onku get one flavor to a person.
Further Caps are logical---they recognize limitations exist--- Fire sign (ENERGY does not).
They are optimists.
Caps are realists not pessimists they can are more prone to be pessimistic as fire energy is more prone to being too optimistic.
Limitations and practicality is what fire signs struggle with and same with water signs. Scorpio energy understands limitations best of those signs (Scorp energy is over suspicious and think everyone is our get them and defensive)
Air signs are practical too. They are logical and communicative. They just seek friends more than water or earth especially.
Posted by frostey91
I will just add my first original comment to this.
It is one thing to say Capricorns and it is another to say Capricorn energy. Any sign with no other influences will act like that sign but of course few birth charts are that one dimensional that you onku get one flavor to a person.
Further Caps are logical---they recognize limitations exist--- Fire sign (ENERGY does not).
They are optimists.
Caps are realists not pessimists they can are more prone to be pessimistic as fire energy is more prone to being too optimistic.
Limitations and practicality is what fire signs struggle with and same with water signs. Scorpio energy understands limitations best of those signs (Scorp energy is over suspicious and think everyone is our get them and defensive)
Air signs are practical too. They are logical and communicative. They just seek friends more than water or earth especially.
I'd say, as an Aries, I recognize limitations, but not as readily, and I also don't like to accept that they are there, and I also overestimate my ability to overcome them immediately. I'm not sure I believe Caps are necessarily more 'real,' either, I just think Caps overestimate obstacles and Aries underestimate obstacles, so Caps tend to be more prepared than Aries when they tackle a problem, but also a little more hesitant to do so. Just my opinion.
Posted by missionPosted by frostey91
I will just add my first original comment to this.
It is one thing to say Capricorns and it is another to say Capricorn energy. Any sign with no other influences will act like that sign but of course few birth charts are that one dimensional that you onku get one flavor to a person.
Further Caps are logical---they recognize limitations exist--- Fire sign (ENERGY does not).
They are optimists.
Caps are realists not pessimists they can are more prone to be pessimistic as fire energy is more prone to being too optimistic.
Limitations and practicality is what fire signs struggle with and same with water signs. Scorpio energy understands limitations best of those signs (Scorp energy is over suspicious and think everyone is our get them and defensive)
Air signs are practical too. They are logical and communicative. They just seek friends more than water or earth especially.
I'd say, as an Aries, I recognize limitations, but not as readily, and I also don't like to accept that they are there, and I also overestimate my ability to overcome them immediately. I'm not sure I believe Caps are necessarily more 'real,' either, I just think Caps overestimate obstacles and Aries underestimate obstacles, so Caps tend to be more prepared than Aries when they tackle a problem, but also a little more hesitant to do so. Just my opinion.click to expand
Posted by mission
Aries can very well come of as self-centered. A lot of us who are certainly don't realize it. I honestly will the best for everyone, and sometimes I don't realize how selfish my actions seem. However, what may seem "irresponsible" to you, are simply "calculated risks" to us. You seem to see us as packing two bags and leaving as selfish, but we're not the ones worrying about where our money is coming from, where our bed will be, or if we fail. With or without the help of others, we pick our heads up, and move on the next day. If I had a family, I would give them everything I had. My career would be based on how best I could financially provide for them, and still be around to guide them up in a straight and wholesome way. But while I don't have a family, there is a whole world and life out there that I can experience and synthesize into a great thing for myself, my family back home, and the friends I've yet to meet. Absolutely, there are certain circumstances with aging or unhealthy family where you must take their livelihood and happiness into consideration, but if your friends and family are happy, a part of them wants to see you grow, and a part of them is missing out from the person you would've been if you had taken another path. There are lessons out there in the wild that no one in your circle has learned yet, and sometimes its our jobs to learn lessons simply for the sake of others.
There is so much going on, and we have so little time and little control. The best thing weclick to expand
YOU SOUND SO MUCH LIKE MY BEST ARIES FRIEND THAT IT'S SCARY! We literally just had this conversation last week! His whole life is a calculated risk and he's well aware he'll hurt some feelings in the process, but he genuinely doesn't mean any harm. I'm definitely learning a lot from him, being healthily selfish is growing on me 😊
Posted by Capriunicorn
I'm definitely learning a lot from him, being healthily selfish is growing on me 😊
It's interesting, isn't it?! And at this point, I don't even know if it's selfish, to be honest. I think it's learning to love one's self. I don't think we can actually love others to the fullest capacity until we've learned to actively love ourselves. I also believe there's a difference between loving yourself and being selfish. Loving one's self can hurt: it can come in the form of self-discipline, exercise, waking up when one doesn't want to, being honest with one's own self. I think being selfish can actually entail putting one's desires in front of one's own needs. I think letting others walk all over you in order to please them and not ruffle any feathers - I think that can be selfish, because you're giving up your power, your energy and capacity to make a positive change in the world through self-actualization, in order to allow someone else to impose their will upon you because you feel more comfortable living an non-confrontational lifestyle. I think one must be in good health and in peace of mind to make the most change to the most amount of those in need. You are the gate through which positive change can come about in the world, and sometimes your job - your well-doing unto the world - is keeping that gate open and clean from impurities.
Naturally very detailed, critical, high standards, with a penchant for darkness, dry humor, and pessimism. I've read, although I cannot attest, that many Capricorns were born into very hard lives. etc etc
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