alkaline water, scam or helpful?

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Well? it's REALLY expensive, like $ 1.50 instead of 0. $ 25 here a gallon....Worth it? Is it really healthy at all?

Anyone use it and feel better or anything?


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no idea what that is but sounds scam to me.
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You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
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It's been a fad for like ~5 years now. They sell it at specialized water stores, here's some links.

http://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/alkaline-water-benefits-risks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-berardi-phd/alkaline-water_b_7762588.html

https://draxe.com/alkaline-water/

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/alkaline-water-legit-or-hoax

The idea is that the normal diet makes your blood acidic and the water can help

I just bought a bunch by accident.. lol, so I'm sort of upset I spent the $ $ , just wondering if anyone actually drinks it.

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Posted by MyStarsShine
You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
hmm.. vinegar is acidic, so it makes the water more acidic not alkaline but I get your idea. maybe i should do that to the alkaline water i just bought...
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Lemon and water.

Is the same thing.
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Posted by rabidtalker
Posted by MyStarsShine
You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
hmm.. vinegar is acidic, so it makes the water more acidic not alkaline but I get your idea. maybe i should do that to the alkaline water i just bought...
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Lemon and apple cider vinegar become alkaline once in the body.....even though outside of it they are acidic.......clever hey?


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Posted by TachibanaSan
Lemon and water.

Is the same thing.
maybe i'll do lemon instead of vinegar, but yeah lemon = citric acid, so should make it more acidic, not alkaline eh?

hmm

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Lots of food like carbs are acidic in nature and fats hold onto acids. There are studies that show some correlation between having higher levels of acidity leading to stroke, heart disease, cancer etc.

Much better to maintain a more alkaline level. I'd suggest taking a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with honey in some water every day. More effective and much cheaper than buying alkaline water.

Make sure its organic. Don't drink it straight, could burn your esophagus.

Or you can get the pill form.


*bonus: its an appetite suppressor.
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Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by rabidtalker
Posted by MyStarsShine
You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
hmm.. vinegar is acidic, so it makes the water more acidic not alkaline but I get your idea. maybe i should do that to the alkaline water i just bought...


Lemon and apple cider vinegar become alkaline once in the body.....even though outside of it they are acidic.......clever hey?


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no, but the water they are selling is alkaline, taking water and making it acidic is not the same, when it goes into your body, your body compensates by various ways. the health folks argue that the compensation your body does to make alkaline water into normal pH is healthier for you than what your body does to make acidic water into normal pH.

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Posted by rabidtalker
Posted by TachibanaSan
Lemon and water.

Is the same thing.
maybe i'll do lemon instead of vinegar, but yeah lemon = citric acid, so should make it more acidic, not alkaline eh?

hmm

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Lemons have alkalizing effect

when digested inside the body.

Chemistry and science.
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Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by rabidtalker
Posted by MyStarsShine
You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
hmm.. vinegar is acidic, so it makes the water more acidic not alkaline but I get your idea. maybe i should do that to the alkaline water i just bought...


Lemon and apple cider vinegar become alkaline once in the body.....even though outside of it they are acidic.......clever hey?


no, but the water they are selling is alkaline, taking water and making it acidic is not the same, when it goes into your body, your body compensates by various ways. the health folks argue that the compensation your body does to make alkaline water into normal pH is healthier for you than what your body does to make acidic water into normal pH.

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I don't know,,I have never seen that water, but I wouldn't buy it, sounds like a con

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Posted by TachibanaSan
Lemons have alkalizing effect

when digested inside the body.

Chemistry and science.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/498141-can-adding-lemon-juice-water-make-water-alkaline/

On the pH scale, a score of 7 is considered neutral. Anything measuring 6.9 or below is considered an acid, and anything rating 7.1 and above is considered an alkali. While water has a pH of 7, lemons are acidic, measuring at 2 to 3. The popular belief that lemons become alkaline during digestion isn't upheld by science. Under no circumstances can an acidic food alkalize your blood, said Kat Day, a chemist and science blogger in Oxfordshire, England. Because foods are not known to alter the pH of your blood or body, lemons won't acidify you either. Drinking lemon juice with water may increase the acid level of your urine, however, which is a sign that your kidneys are doing their job -- ridding you of excess acid.
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If you want to test the lemon/cider vinegar thing, take a sample of your urine and test it with a ph strip.....speaks for itself
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Posted by rabidtalker
Well? it's REALLY expensive, like $ 1.50 instead of 0. $ 25 here a gallon....Worth it? Is it really healthy at all?

Anyone use it and feel better or anything?


Crazy you mention this. I was just researching this.

Waiting..

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Posted by MyStarsShine
If you want to test the lemon/cider vinegar thing, take a sample of your urine and test it with a ph strip.....speaks for itself
the reason why your urine is acidic is because you are adding acid into your system so your body compensates by making your urine acidic, it's expelling what you are adding.

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Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.
Alka-Seltzer contains three active ingredients; aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) (ASA), sodium bicarbonate, and anhydrous citric acid. The aspirin is a pain reliever and anti-inflammatory, and the sodium bicarbonate and citric acid form an antacid by their effervescent reaction with water.

It's the reaction of an acid + base that allows alka-seltzer to work, citric acid is a weaker acid than the strength of the sodium bicarbonate so that is why it's there, to aid in the reaction, it doesnt magically make it an ant-acid. Also your body regulates pH balance by expelling waste in it's kidneys, in this case, extra acid.

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Posted by TachibanaSan
Lemons have alkalizing effect

when digested inside the body.

Chemistry and science.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/498141-can-adding-lemon-juice-water-make-water-alkaline/

On the pH scale, a score of 7 is considered neutral. Anything measuring 6.9 or below is considered an acid, and anything rating 7.1 and above is considered an alkali. While water has a pH of 7, lemons are acidic, measuring at 2 to 3. The popular belief that lemons become alkaline during digestion isn't upheld by science. Under no circumstances can an acidic food alkalize your blood, said Kat Day, a chemist and science blogger in Oxfordshire, England. Because foods are not known to alter the pH of your blood or body, lemons won't acidify you either. Drinking lemon juice with water may increase the acid level of your urine, however, which is a sign that your kidneys are doing their job -- ridding you of excess acid.

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In our science classes

it has long been taught

But I guess my senseis

were all very wrong.
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Posted by TachibanaSan
In our science classes

it has long been taught

But I guess my senseis

were all very wrong.
is your senseis still around can you ask him/her to clarify?

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anyways, regardless the stuff i'm able to find on the alkaline water is that nothing has proven it to work..... so so far seems like a scam Sad

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http://www.vitalitylink.com/article-holistic-health-2055-lemon-juice-acidic-alkaline-body-water

And I guess Asian medicine

has been wrong all this time.

There is a science behind it.
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Posted by rabidtalker
Posted by TachibanaSan
In our science classes

it has long been taught

But I guess my senseis

were all very wrong.
is your senseis still around can you ask him/her to clarify?

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I have long left secondary.

But I still remember some

of what we were taught.

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Posted by TachibanaSan
http://www.vitalitylink.com/article-holistic-health-2055-lemon-juice-acidic-alkaline-body-water

And I guess Asian medicine

has been wrong all this time.

There is a science behind it.
hmm ok, I dont want to disrespect your culture or holistic medicine which is the article you quote so I will leave it at that.

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Total scam. People are idiots if they think that they can control the acidity of their own body. The body does it on its own and to think you can consume food that adjusts the alkaline/acidic levels is lol.

Physiology and science. Look it up silly fantasy land dwellers who argue that this bullshit is legit.
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Posted by Lush
You can also drink warm water with a teaspoon of baking soda. It's not very pleasant, but it wards off oncoming colds/viruses because it can't live in an alkaline body. I have had a cold only once in the last 10 years.
A friend of mine takes half a teaspoon of baking soda mixed with the juice of half a lemon and some water every day and her body has a healthy level of acid/alkaline. She never gets sick
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Posted by MyStarsShine
You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
Wrong again.

When are you going to stop misinforming? You're doing a public disservice with your ignorance touted as "fact."

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Posted by MyStarsShine
You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
Wrong again.

When are you going to stop misinforming? You're doing a public disservice with your ignorance touted as "fact."

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Works for me, thanks

You do what you want with your body and I will with mine

I am joining in with a discussion .... People can make up thier own minds

I am not ignorant

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Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by rockyroadicecream
Posted by MyStarsShine
You can just add lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to normal sping water......does the same thing

I add two teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to a glass of water before each meal. It keeps the body alkaline and also good for weight control
Wrong again.

When are you going to stop misinforming? You're doing a public disservice with your ignorance touted as "fact."

Works for me, thanks

You do what you want with your body and I will with mine

I am joining in with a discussion .... People can make up thier own minds

I am not ignorant

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Yes you are.

Please tell me how many biology based classes you've taken to back up your claims?

Please link all the scientific journals where you get your information.

I'll wait.

And no, "It works for me" is not a real answer. Just anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence =/= fact or legit information, which is just about anything you tout as "health information" on this site.
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Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.


Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.
Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.


Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.
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Just for emphasis for the willfully ignorant.


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Posted by LadyNeptune
Lots of food like carbs are acidic in nature and fats hold onto acids. There are studies that show some correlation between having higher levels of acidity leading to stroke, heart disease, cancer etc.

Much better to maintain a more alkaline level. I'd suggest taking a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with honey in some water every day. More effective and much cheaper than buying alkaline water.

Make sure its organic. Don't drink it straight, could burn your esophagus.

Or you can get the pill form.


*bonus: its an appetite suppressor.
...or just don't eat like shit?

Overweight people tend to be at higher risk for diseases because they eat like shit and/or consume too much of these foods that put them at such risk factors.

Drinking stupified water isn't going to fix those problems. It's another fad put out there for the lazy and stupid that don't want to do it the right way.

"Drink the magic water guise. It'll fix everything! After all, YOU know best and your body's physiology doesn't know fuck all about how to work. Do its job for it and fuck yourself up in the process, yay!"
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Posted by EvilHare
The whole pH balance for inflammation/cancer thing stems from one study that showed that cancer cells couldn't live in an alkaline environment in vitro.

But in vitro is not in situ. In vitro, you can kill cancer cells with all kinds of things. Salt, bleach, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen peroxide, etc. You wouldn't in a million years inject that shit into people in high enough doses to kill cancer cells.

The level of alkalinity needed to kill the cancer cells would cause a great deal of damage to an actual living person since it's outside the range our body needs to function.
The stuff i'm reading says the higher pH is to compensate more for the calcium leeching which occurs when in low pH (which is worse for your bones). The cancer stuff, perhaps but there are better ways to attack cancer anyways.

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ok i have to get back to work,lol. i dont mind doing the fads so long as they dont hurt the body. if you have proof of that then please say.

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Posted by EvilHare
The whole pH balance for inflammation/cancer thing stems from one study that showed that cancer cells couldn't live in an alkaline environment in vitro.

But in vitro is not in situ. In vitro, you can kill cancer cells with all kinds of things. Salt, bleach, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen peroxide, etc. You wouldn't in a million years inject that shit into people in high enough doses to kill cancer cells.

The level of alkalinity needed to kill the cancer cells would cause a great deal of damage to an actual living person since it's outside the range our body needs to function.
Yes they do. It's called chemo haha.

But yeah, I lol anytime I see all this "remedy" bullshit touted by anyone who knows fuck all about basic physiology. People are just so arrogant that they think they have to go and do all this shit for their body when the body works in homeostasis. The only time any of this needs help is because there is something obviously wrong somewhere in the body, and then, fairy water isn't going to fix it.

Eat lots of fruits and veggies, moderate carbs, limit bad fats, keep relatively active,and pray your genes aren't assholes.
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ok i have to get back to work,lol. i dont mind doing the fads so long as they dont hurt the body. if you have proof of that then please say.



Excessive alkaline intake fucks up the body.

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Posted by TachibanaSan
http://www.vitalitylink.com/article-holistic-health-2055-lemon-juice-acidic-alkaline-body-water

And I guess Asian medicine

has been wrong all this time.

There is a science behind it.
hmm ok, I dont want to disrespect your culture or holistic medicine which is the article you quote so I will leave it at that.

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No disrespect taken.

It just proves that

knowledge differs.
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Posted by EvilHare
The whole pH balance for inflammation/cancer thing stems from one study that showed that cancer cells couldn't live in an alkaline environment in vitro.

But in vitro is not in situ. In vitro, you can kill cancer cells with all kinds of things. Salt, bleach, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen peroxide, etc. You wouldn't in a million years inject that shit into people in high enough doses to kill cancer cells.

The level of alkalinity needed to kill the cancer cells would cause a great deal of damage to an actual living person since it's outside the range our body needs to function.
Yes they do. It's called chemo haha.

But yeah, I lol anytime I see all this "remedy" bullshit touted by anyone who knows fuck all about basic physiology. People are just so arrogant that they think they have to go and do all this shit for their body when the body works in homeostasis. The only time any of this needs help is because there is something obviously wrong somewhere in the body, and then, fairy water isn't going to fix it.

Eat lots of fruits and veggies, moderate carbs, limit bad fats, keep relatively active,and pray your genes aren't assholes.
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Chemotherapy is not safe.

A derivative of mustard gas.

It is the reason people die,

not the cancer itself.

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Posted by rabidtalker
ok i have to get back to work,lol. i dont mind doing the fads so long as they dont hurt the body. if you have proof of that then please say.

I had a small freckle on my body which developed into what looked like a melanoma. I visited my GP and she told me to stay out of the sun and keep my eye on it to see if it grew. It started to get larger and redder. I mixed some bread soda and virgin olive oil and kept it coated for a couple of weeks

It disappeared
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Posted by LadyNeptune
Lots of food like carbs are acidic in nature and fats hold onto acids. There are studies that show some correlation between having higher levels of acidity leading to stroke, heart disease, cancer etc.

Much better to maintain a more alkaline level. I'd suggest taking a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar with honey in some water every day. More effective and much cheaper than buying alkaline water.

Make sure its organic. Don't drink it straight, could burn your esophagus.

Or you can get the pill form.


*bonus: its an appetite suppressor.
...or just don't eat like shit?

Overweight people tend to be at higher risk for diseases because they eat like shit and/or consume too much of these foods that put them at such risk factors.

Drinking stupified water isn't going to fix those problems. It's another fad put out there for the lazy and stupid that don't want to do it the right way.

"Drink the magic water guise. It'll fix everything! After all, YOU know best and your body's physiology doesn't know fuck all about how to work. Do its job for it and fuck yourself up in the process, yay!"
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I eat like shit. But I also swim 4-6 miles a week, walk my dog, and haul plants around at the jobsites. But still, if it wasn't for all this physical activity I'd be obese af lol.

My sister is all into health and fitness and she's constantly telling me what I should do differently. If its easy I'll do it. Like having a tablespoon of the apple cider vinegar.
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Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
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Posted by LadyNeptune
Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
Do you douche with it or drink it?
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Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
Do you douche with it or drink it?
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Only drink it. I don't believe in doucheing. Causes more harm than good.
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Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
Do you douche with it or drink it?
Only drink it. I don't believe in doucheing. Causes more harm than good.
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Yes I agree

How much do you take per day?

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Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
Do you douche with it or drink it?
Only drink it. I don't believe in doucheing. Causes more harm than good.


Yes I agree

How much do you take per day?

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A capful. And I try to do it everyday...but really its just whenever I remember.

I'm also a huge believer in taking coconut oil capsules. I do 1-3 per week.
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Glad my water free from the earth already at a 7.5-8ph...

Have a nice day
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Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.


Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.
Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.


Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.
Just for emphasis for the willfully ignorant.


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You are so intense with your responses I am wondering if you fart typing?
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Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
Do you douche with it or drink it?
Only drink it. I don't believe in doucheing. Causes more harm than good.


Yes I agree

How much do you take per day?

A capful. And I try to do it everyday...but really its just whenever I remember.

I'm also a huge believer in taking coconut oil capsules. I do 1-3 per week.
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Whole cup of vinegar???

That's what's wrong with you!!!?
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Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
Do you douche with it or drink it?
Only drink it. I don't believe in doucheing. Causes more harm than good.


Yes I agree

How much do you take per day?

A capful. And I try to do it everyday...but really its just whenever I remember.

I'm also a huge believer in taking coconut oil capsules. I do 1-3 per week.
Whole cup of vinegar???

That's what's wrong with you!!!?
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Go ahead and read that again
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Posted by TachibanaSan
Posted by rockyroadicecream
Posted by EvilHare
The whole pH balance for inflammation/cancer thing stems from one study that showed that cancer cells couldn't live in an alkaline environment in vitro.

But in vitro is not in situ. In vitro, you can kill cancer cells with all kinds of things. Salt, bleach, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen peroxide, etc. You wouldn't in a million years inject that shit into people in high enough doses to kill cancer cells.

The level of alkalinity needed to kill the cancer cells would cause a great deal of damage to an actual living person since it's outside the range our body needs to function.
Yes they do. It's called chemo haha.

But yeah, I lol anytime I see all this "remedy" bullshit touted by anyone who knows fuck all about basic physiology. People are just so arrogant that they think they have to go and do all this shit for their body when the body works in homeostasis. The only time any of this needs help is because there is something obviously wrong somewhere in the body, and then, fairy water isn't going to fix it.

Eat lots of fruits and veggies, moderate carbs, limit bad fats, keep relatively active,and pray your genes aren't assholes.
Chemotherapy is not safe.

A derivative of mustard gas.

It is the reason people die,

not the cancer itself.

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Honey, I've had two parents with cancer. You're not telling me anything I don't already know. But thanks for trying.
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Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by MyStarsShine
Posted by LadyNeptune
Apple cider vinegar is great for vag health. Thats the real reason I'm taking it.
Do you douche with it or drink it?
Only drink it. I don't believe in doucheing. Causes more harm than good.


Yes I agree

How much do you take per day?

A capful. And I try to do it everyday...but really its just whenever I remember.

I'm also a huge believer in taking coconut oil capsules. I do 1-3 per week.
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You want to take it easy on coconut oil. It can raise your LDL, which is the bad cholesterol.
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Posted by rockyroadicecream
Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.


Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.
Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.


Posted by EvilHare
The citric acid in lemons actually has an antacid effect on the stomach, hence why it's used in Alka Seltzer, but your body regulates it's pH balance independent of anything you eat or drink. If your body is swinging one way or the other on the pH scale, then you have serious health problems.
Just for emphasis for the willfully ignorant.


You are so intense with your responses I am wondering if you fart typing?
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I wonder if you're mentally retarded.
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