Controlling?
Posted by Snippet
I think letting your s/o know your whereabouts is common decency in a relationship lol. Like I’ve seen others say, I wouldn’t just leave whenever and not tell you where I was going. I would expect the same exchange from my partner.
If you told me that you’re going to hang with your friend Josh and that you’ll be home around 4, but yet 5:30 rolls around and you’re still not home, absolutely I’m texting or calling you to find out what’s going on. If I’m running later than what I said, I’ll send a text to update my partner. I worry, I care, and I’ve never been with someone who was bothered by this or didn’t do these same things themselves. I’ve never seen it as controlling and I know for certain that my partners didn’t either. We let each other be while out with other people, only when time frames didn’t match did we start inquiring about whereabouts.
Will you sit up and wait to see if your partner comes home at that time?
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Posted by AbbyNormalI was addressing the part where this cry baby calls Nano a toxic feminist spouting bs when she shared how she moves through her day to day life worried about her safety and aware of men around her and how she could be harmed.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by nanobotzPosted by GobbiePosted by nanobotzPosted by GobbiePosted by nanobotz
I think it’s more about the domestic violence component, and how no one wants to have a conversation about it or act like it’s happening. When it’s happening all the time, everywhere. How relatable it is for so many of us women, who have had relationships where it starts off with maybe him taking your phone, or not wanting you to go out with your friends, maybe he’s drunk and pushed you for the first time. And seeing how it can escalate, how dangerous it is. Cases like these, help women identify red flags and keep them safer. I can’t wrap my head around so many cases like this…. that so many men think they can just kill women when they get in their feelings? It’s insane to even fathom.
Maybe it's an issue in the US but you've lost perspective on the real issue here.
The real issue is stamping out any type of abuse regardless of gender. Acting as if all forms of abuse originate from men is both factually incorrect, naive and very dangerous.
I literally never said or implied that only just women experience abuse. I’m speaking on this case, and the many women before who have had partners murder them.
Are you suggesting that statistically, women aren’t abused more by men, than the other way around. And that men in general aren’t a much bigger threat and danger to women, then women are to men? Have you had a significant other, way taller, bigger, stronger attack you? The fights not very equal. We don’t stand much of a chance, unless specially trained in defense.
When’s the last time you had to feel unsafe knowing you’ll be walking down a street after sun down, or felt uncomfortable walking across a dark parking lot at night. For me - it’s very often. In a few months, I even have to change my work hours to avoid putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation of walking to my car after dark because of a strange man who works 1 building over. Men don’t really have to worry about that shit as often as far as I know, yea??
Your entire previous post labelled women as victims and men as the perpetrators, so please stop the backtracking.
Anyone who uses size and strength as an excuse to sweep the issue of female-generated abuse under the carpet obviously refuses to see the issue from a humanist perspective (irrespective of gender).
What, so all men should be made accountable but not women? Size shouldn’t matter – if a woman slaps a man’s face, she should be prosecuted in the same way that a man would for punching her. And there should be no leniency because the woman is, theoretically, of a smaller frame.
This isn’t just about physical abuse, but verbal, emotional and psychological abuse as well. Denying other forms of abuse inflicted upon others is ignoring THE MAJORITY of incidences relating to abuse. But I suppose that just provides a distorted perspective on the actual truth, which greatly favours women in general (thus moving the spotlight away from women’s abusive tendencies).
Research has been conducted that concludes women are just as likely (if not more likely) to be abusive towards their male partners. Also, in many cases where domestic situations escalated into violence, it was the female partner who aggravated the situation – through verbal abuse, blocking their male partner from escaping or walking away, damaging personal property, etc. While physical abuse is never right, most cases are never cut and dry enough to be simplified.
And what about all the emotional and psychological harm that women inflict on men? What about the false sexual assault allegations that ruins reputations (which such women are never arrested and convicted for)? What about the lies told in divorce and custody courts (mostly out of spite or for financial gain)? What about the physical abuse that men tolerate (and don’t reciprocate) but never officially report? What about the proven fact that most cases of child cruelty is inflicted by mothers and not fathers?
And cut the crap about how unsafe you feel – everyone is in danger every single day. Any one of us, regardless of gender, could die or be maimed at the hands of someone else.
So, please, take your flawed, toxic, feminist propaganda elsewhere.
You are taking a lot of time and effort to argue in defense of something that was never disputed in the first place. This thread is about Gabby Petito and has diverged to the other topic, of women being victims. Men have exploited, abused, raped, murdered women without consequence for millennia. Do you think that just goes away the past 50-100 years? It doesn’t. These are facts.
What research? Where are you getting your stats that it’s equal or more likely that women abuse men? Because we aren’t seeing the same ones at all. You live in the UK right? https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/domestic-abuse-is-a-gendered-crime/
Tons of stats here. Domestic abuse is experienced by men and women. But generally speaking, again, it’s a gendered crime ^
I personally don’t agree at all that if a woman slaps a man “romantic comedy style ” for lack of better description, it should be charged the same as a man full strength punching a woman and blacking her eyes and knocking teeth out. And there’s nothing grosser to me than women who lie about rape or abuse to manipulate/financially gain. But let me ask you how often are these lies happening vs the truth being told, or female victims staying silent all together though? I also don’t agree for a second that men and women are in the same exact danger of walking down a dark alley at night. There’s no way you can believe that. You’re seeming to minimize how many women get murdered/kidnapped/raped/assaulted under those very same circumstances. Every day. That’s virtually not happening when genders are swapped.
The way the system seems to work, doesn’t really account for emotional or psychological abuse. It should. Because a lot of female victims get restraining orders granted to them due to those very reasons, and men kill them anyway.
No one said men aren’t abused, Gobbie 🙄🙄 I think you and I are basically arguing the same side when you aren’t putting words in my mouth. But you want to play the role of contrarian, I get it.
He's the type of dude who wants to comment "not all men" on posts where women talk about abuse and assault.
Read the room. This thread is about the abuse and resulting murder of a WOMAN at the hands of a MAN.
Idk what opinion articles he's looking at as 'research' but its widely known and acknowledged that men commit assault and homicide at much much MUCH higher rates then women. Out of the women who are murdered 58% are killed by a partner or ex partner. 3 women are murdered every day in the US by their spouses or intimate partners. And this is the statistics from SOLVED cases... 1/3rd are unsolved. Violence against women is pervasive and deadly.
The most dangerous place for a woman is still in her own home.
Imagine how fragile your masculinity must be that you feel threatened by women sharing how they must approach a world that doesn't prioritize their safety.
He's such a fucking baby.
Look, I think it’s fair to say a lot of women hit men well knowing they won’t hit them back. So when they do, why be surprised? It goes both ways! That’s all I think this is.click to expand
Literally no one in this thread has asserted that women are angels and never hit their partners.
So the fact he has this take is very telling of his defunct character.
Lets never forget that cops beat their wives at higher rates than the average American and have a history of siding with perpetrators of violence.
We clearly see that here with them labeling her as the "primary aggressor" despite two 911 calls reporting he was the aggressor. They were called there to investigate reports of this woman being hit, slapped, and shoved by her bf, and instead of showing proper concern and care they take his side and even fist bump him at the end.
Also lets remember that sexual assault is the second highest complaint against police. And that every major police department has a backlog of untested rape kits.
Police and the justice system have never cared about violence against women.
We clearly see that here with them labeling her as the "primary aggressor" despite two 911 calls reporting he was the aggressor. They were called there to investigate reports of this woman being hit, slapped, and shoved by her bf, and instead of showing proper concern and care they take his side and even fist bump him at the end.
Also lets remember that sexual assault is the second highest complaint against police. And that every major police department has a backlog of untested rape kits.
Police and the justice system have never cared about violence against women.
Put yourself in her shoes. He’s already done it he’s locked her out without water in the heat for who knows how long taking away the spare keys,
Phone so she can’t get help.He does it againIt’s enough to cause any human being Triggerfor a fight or flight mode to survive.Reminder there are laws in regards to disconnecting phone lines and I see taking away her phone is the same way.
I see a self-defense for survival so she doesn’t get stranded and then killed!Because every woman would have that fear in their mind.
Phone so she can’t get help.He does it againIt’s enough to cause any human being Triggerfor a fight or flight mode to survive.Reminder there are laws in regards to disconnecting phone lines and I see taking away her phone is the same way.
I see a self-defense for survival so she doesn’t get stranded and then killed!Because every woman would have that fear in their mind.
Posted by nanobotzPosted by LadyNeptunePosted by nanobotzPosted by GobbiePosted by nanobotzPosted by GobbiePosted by nanobotz
I think it’s more about the domestic violence component, and how no one wants to have a conversation about it or act like it’s happening. When it’s happening all the time, everywhere. How relatable it is for so many of us women, who have had relationships where it starts off with maybe him taking your phone, or not wanting you to go out with your friends, maybe he’s drunk and pushed you for the first time. And seeing how it can escalate, how dangerous it is. Cases like these, help women identify red flags and keep them safer. I can’t wrap my head around so many cases like this…. that so many men think they can just kill women when they get in their feelings? It’s insane to even fathom.
Maybe it's an issue in the US but you've lost perspective on the real issue here.
The real issue is stamping out any type of abuse regardless of gender. Acting as if all forms of abuse originate from men is both factually incorrect, naive and very dangerous.
I literally never said or implied that only just women experience abuse. I’m speaking on this case, and the many women before who have had partners murder them.
Are you suggesting that statistically, women aren’t abused more by men, than the other way around. And that men in general aren’t a much bigger threat and danger to women, then women are to men? Have you had a significant other, way taller, bigger, stronger attack you? The fights not very equal. We don’t stand much of a chance, unless specially trained in defense.
When’s the last time you had to feel unsafe knowing you’ll be walking down a street after sun down, or felt uncomfortable walking across a dark parking lot at night. For me - it’s very often. In a few months, I even have to change my work hours to avoid putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation of walking to my car after dark because of a strange man who works 1 building over. Men don’t really have to worry about that shit as often as far as I know, yea??
Your entire previous post labelled women as victims and men as the perpetrators, so please stop the backtracking.
Anyone who uses size and strength as an excuse to sweep the issue of female-generated abuse under the carpet obviously refuses to see the issue from a humanist perspective (irrespective of gender).
What, so all men should be made accountable but not women? Size shouldn’t matter – if a woman slaps a man’s face, she should be prosecuted in the same way that a man would for punching her. And there should be no leniency because the woman is, theoretically, of a smaller frame.
This isn’t just about physical abuse, but verbal, emotional and psychological abuse as well. Denying other forms of abuse inflicted upon others is ignoring THE MAJORITY of incidences relating to abuse. But I suppose that just provides a distorted perspective on the actual truth, which greatly favours women in general (thus moving the spotlight away from women’s abusive tendencies).
Research has been conducted that concludes women are just as likely (if not more likely) to be abusive towards their male partners. Also, in many cases where domestic situations escalated into violence, it was the female partner who aggravated the situation – through verbal abuse, blocking their male partner from escaping or walking away, damaging personal property, etc. While physical abuse is never right, most cases are never cut and dry enough to be simplified.
And what about all the emotional and psychological harm that women inflict on men? What about the false sexual assault allegations that ruins reputations (which such women are never arrested and convicted for)? What about the lies told in divorce and custody courts (mostly out of spite or for financial gain)? What about the physical abuse that men tolerate (and don’t reciprocate) but never officially report? What about the proven fact that most cases of child cruelty is inflicted by mothers and not fathers?
And cut the crap about how unsafe you feel – everyone is in danger every single day. Any one of us, regardless of gender, could die or be maimed at the hands of someone else.
So, please, take your flawed, toxic, feminist propaganda elsewhere.
You are taking a lot of time and effort to argue in defense of something that was never disputed in the first place. This thread is about Gabby Petito and has diverged to the other topic, of women being victims. Men have exploited, abused, raped, murdered women without consequence for millennia. Do you think that just goes away the past 50-100 years? It doesn’t. These are facts.
What research? Where are you getting your stats that it’s equal or more likely that women abuse men? Because we aren’t seeing the same ones at all. You live in the UK right? https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/domestic-abuse-is-a-gendered-crime/
Tons of stats here. Domestic abuse is experienced by men and women. But generally speaking, again, it’s a gendered crime ^
I personally don’t agree at all that if a woman slaps a man “romantic comedy style ” for lack of better description, it should be charged the same as a man full strength punching a woman and blacking her eyes and knocking teeth out. And there’s nothing grosser to me than women who lie about rape or abuse to manipulate/financially gain. But let me ask you how often are these lies happening vs the truth being told, or female victims staying silent all together though? I also don’t agree for a second that men and women are in the same exact danger of walking down a dark alley at night. There’s no way you can believe that. You’re seeming to minimize how many women get murdered/kidnapped/raped/assaulted under those very same circumstances. Every day. That’s virtually not happening when genders are swapped.
The way the system seems to work, doesn’t really account for emotional or psychological abuse. It should. Because a lot of female victims get restraining orders granted to them due to those very reasons, and men kill them anyway.
No one said men aren’t abused, Gobbie 🙄🙄 I think you and I are basically arguing the same side when you aren’t putting words in my mouth. But you want to play the role of contrarian, I get it.
He's the type of dude who wants to comment "not all men" on posts where women talk about abuse and assault.
Read the room. This thread is about the abuse and resulting murder of a WOMAN at the hands of a MAN.
Idk what opinion articles he's looking at as 'research' but its widely known and acknowledged that men commit assault and homicide at much much MUCH higher rates then women. Out of the women who are murdered 58% are killed by a partner or ex partner. 3 women are murdered every day in the US by their spouses or intimate partners. And this is the statistics from SOLVED cases... 1/3rd are unsolved. Violence against women is pervasive and deadly.
The most dangerous place for a woman is still in her own home.
Imagine how fragile your masculinity must be that you feel threatened by women sharing how they must approach a world that doesn't prioritize their safety.
He's such a fucking baby.
Thanks for posting those actual numbers, I was beginning to wonder if I was crazy or referring to some old stats that no longer apply. Because I was 99.9% that they were something like that. That’s what I’m talking about… the CONTEXT of the thread!
I’ve been assaulted by men multiple times, and I would be willing to bet EVERY woman in this thread has too. More than once. In the very places we were supposed to be safe. It’s the sad reality.
We can discuss domestic violence against men in a thread when something like this comes up when roles are reversed….. oh wait…. That might be awhile 😵💫😵💫 Because this simply just doesn’t happen to men but at a tiny fraction.click to expand
"I’ve been assaulted by men multiple times, and I would be willing to bet EVERY woman in this thread has too. More than once. In the very places we were supposed to be safe."
And by the very people we were supposed to feel safe with!!
The most dangerous time for a victim of abuse is when they try to leave their abuser resulting in them snapping and murdering. I think its likely that's what happened here.
Their relationship was obviously toxic. And whose to say she didn't also fight back when he got physical, either in anger or to protect herself. In the bodycam footage the cops comment on the myriad of scratches on his face and arms. Only Brian and Gabby know the truth of that.
The major factor here is that the toxic relationship led to her death by his hands!
The crybaby is right about one thing when he said "everyone is in danger every single day. Any one of us, regardless of gender, could die or be maimed at the hands of someone else."
What he neglects acknowledging is those hands are statistically far greater to be hands belonging to a man.
75% + of homicides are committed by men.
When it comes to rape and sexual assault 99% of perpetrators are men.
Men are murdered at a much higher rate then women overall... by other men.
Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by LentoBull91Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by jazzykidPosted by AbbyNormal
Where’s the body cam footage?
Thank you! I’d be surprised to find out that the Moab couple killing was connected to this. Also, that this was anything other than accidental. I could very well see this as a heated couple fight gone wrong, he accidentally kills her and then flips out and doesn’t know what to do. Unlike the murderer someone mentioned above, I don’t get the same feeling when I watch this guy. He doesn’t just scream “He did it!” like with other dude, the Taurus. I watched the footage of them searching the home and he looked so guilty it wasn’t even funny! Of course, that was watching someone after the fact rather than before like in this footage.
I got the same feeling from Brian as I did for Chris watts right away, this guy is guilty, his portrayal of innocence is so fake in police stop video. His mask was easy to see in that situation, it’s a shame they didn’t monitor his movements 24/7 once he came back home without her like they should have.
I see nervousness yes, but not like Chris Watts. It’s hard to explain, but I just don’t get the same feeling here—now that’s literally after watching one encounter with him when she’s still alive! So I couldn’t say truly without watching an after the fact video of him. What I see is a passionate young couple, no real malice. Just two kids who can’t keep their feelings under control, I think we are all guilty of that at some point. There isn’t a reason or motive to speak of! They seem to love each other! Or at least be codependent. Either way, it doesn’t scream to me murderer. Maybe I’m missing something but I could totally see this as heat of moment, crime of passion such. Like maybe they were fighting and she tripped and fell and hit her head! There’s not even a clear means of death yet, just homicide. I’m interested to hear what they find out.click to expand
I have a feeling it’s going to be determined to be death by strangulation, he looks like someone who would do that.
Posted by GobbieYou do know that when you’re trying to counter an argument to the point of becoming biased it no longer has reasonable value, right? Regardless of gender. People are abused and killed everyday. What’s the point in trying to argue who gets the worse of it at the risk of not only disregarding each other’s experience but sounding hateful to the opposite gender?Posted by nanobotzPosted by GobbiePosted by nanobotzPosted by GobbiePosted by nanobotz
I think it’s more about the domestic violence component, and how no one wants to have a conversation about it or act like it’s happening. When it’s happening all the time, everywhere. How relatable it is for so many of us women, who have had relationships where it starts off with maybe him taking your phone, or not wanting you to go out with your friends, maybe he’s drunk and pushed you for the first time. And seeing how it can escalate, how dangerous it is. Cases like these, help women identify red flags and keep them safer. I can’t wrap my head around so many cases like this…. that so many men think they can just kill women when they get in their feelings? It’s insane to even fathom.
Maybe it's an issue in the US but you've lost perspective on the real issue here.
The real issue is stamping out any type of abuse regardless of gender. Acting as if all forms of abuse originate from men is both factually incorrect, naive and very dangerous.
I literally never said or implied that only just women experience abuse. I’m speaking on this case, and the many women before who have had partners murder them.
Are you suggesting that statistically, women aren’t abused more by men, than the other way around. And that men in general aren’t a much bigger threat and danger to women, then women are to men? Have you had a significant other, way taller, bigger, stronger attack you? The fights not very equal. We don’t stand much of a chance, unless specially trained in defense.
When’s the last time you had to feel unsafe knowing you’ll be walking down a street after sun down, or felt uncomfortable walking across a dark parking lot at night. For me - it’s very often. In a few months, I even have to change my work hours to avoid putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation of walking to my car after dark because of a strange man who works 1 building over. Men don’t really have to worry about that shit as often as far as I know, yea??
Your entire previous post labelled women as victims and men as the perpetrators, so please stop the backtracking.
Anyone who uses size and strength as an excuse to sweep the issue of female-generated abuse under the carpet obviously refuses to see the issue from a humanist perspective (irrespective of gender).
What, so all men should be made accountable but not women? Size shouldn’t matter – if a woman slaps a man’s face, she should be prosecuted in the same way that a man would for punching her. And there should be no leniency because the woman is, theoretically, of a smaller frame.
This isn’t just about physical abuse, but verbal, emotional and psychological abuse as well. Denying other forms of abuse inflicted upon others is ignoring THE MAJORITY of incidences relating to abuse. But I suppose that just provides a distorted perspective on the actual truth, which greatly favours women in general (thus moving the spotlight away from women’s abusive tendencies).
Research has been conducted that concludes women are just as likely (if not more likely) to be abusive towards their male partners. Also, in many cases where domestic situations escalated into violence, it was the female partner who aggravated the situation – through verbal abuse, blocking their male partner from escaping or walking away, damaging personal property, etc. While physical abuse is never right, most cases are never cut and dry enough to be simplified.
And what about all the emotional and psychological harm that women inflict on men? What about the false sexual assault allegations that ruins reputations (which such women are never arrested and convicted for)? What about the lies told in divorce and custody courts (mostly out of spite or for financial gain)? What about the physical abuse that men tolerate (and don’t reciprocate) but never officially report? What about the proven fact that most cases of child cruelty is inflicted by mothers and not fathers?
And cut the crap about how unsafe you feel – everyone is in danger every single day. Any one of us, regardless of gender, could die or be maimed at the hands of someone else.
So, please, take your flawed, toxic, feminist propaganda elsewhere.
You are taking a lot of time and effort to argue in defense of something that was never disputed in the first place. This thread is about Gabby Petito and has diverged to the other topic, of women being victims. Men have exploited, abused, raped, murdered women without consequence for millennia. Do you think that just goes away the past 50-100 years? It doesn’t. These are facts.
What research? Where are you getting your stats that it’s equal or more likely that women abuse men? Because we aren’t seeing the same ones at all. You live in the UK right? https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/domestic-abuse-is-a-gendered-crime/
Tons of stats here. Domestic abuse is experienced by men and women. But generally speaking, again, it’s a gendered crime ^
I personally don’t agree at all that if a woman slaps a man “romantic comedy style ” for lack of better description, it should be charged the same as a man full strength punching a woman and blacking her eyes and knocking teeth out. And there’s nothing grosser to me than women who lie about rape or abuse to manipulate/financially gain. But let me ask you how often are these lies happening vs the truth being told, or female victims staying silent all together though? I also don’t agree for a second that men and women are in the same exact danger of walking down a dark alley at night. There’s no way you can believe that. You’re seeming to minimize how many women get murdered/kidnapped/raped/assaulted under those very same circumstances. Every day. That’s virtually not happening when genders are swapped.
The way the system seems to work, doesn’t really account for emotional or psychological abuse. It should. Because a lot of female victims get restraining orders granted to them due to those very reasons, and men kill them anyway.
No one said men aren’t abused, Gobbie 🙄🙄 I think you and I are basically arguing the same side when you aren’t putting words in my mouth. But you want to play the role of contrarian, I get it.
“You are taking a lot of time and effort to argue in defense of something that was never disputed in the first place.”
Ah, so now you’re dictating how I should reply to your post? That sounds pretty controlling [or is that abusive?], doesn’t it?
You’re the one who started this, not me. Maybe if you actually expressed some of these sentiments earlier on we wouldn’t be here. But, of course, it’s much easier for you to gaslight me than to admit that the context of your post wasn't balanced enough and sent out the wrong message, eh?
As for statistics, why would anyone rely on biased stats from a charity organisation that exists ONLY for female victims of domestic abuse? Let’s not forget that virtually all charities are corrupt in some way. Are you seriously THAT naive? LOL!
How about relying on independent sources instead. Try reading ‘Domestic Violence: The 12 Things You Aren't Supposed to Know’ by Thomas B. James. Based on extensive research, it’s a real eye opener. And then there’s the research paper ’Man up and Take It: Gender Bias in Moral Typecasting’, which examines gender bias and how social conditioning greatly contributes towards that.
Btw, the term ‘gendered crime’ is nothing more than a political device to place all importance on female abuse victims, whilst DENOUNCING male abuse victims. And believe me, it will be exploited by many evil women. All those who coined and put this term into action deserve to burn in hell for all eternity.click to expand
Posted by LentoBull91PLOT TWIST - What if he ended up killing her the same way as the other Moab woman? What if he is the "creepy guy"!?Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by LentoBull91Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by jazzykidPosted by AbbyNormal
Where’s the body cam footage?
Thank you! I’d be surprised to find out that the Moab couple killing was connected to this. Also, that this was anything other than accidental. I could very well see this as a heated couple fight gone wrong, he accidentally kills her and then flips out and doesn’t know what to do. Unlike the murderer someone mentioned above, I don’t get the same feeling when I watch this guy. He doesn’t just scream “He did it!” like with other dude, the Taurus. I watched the footage of them searching the home and he looked so guilty it wasn’t even funny! Of course, that was watching someone after the fact rather than before like in this footage.
I got the same feeling from Brian as I did for Chris watts right away, this guy is guilty, his portrayal of innocence is so fake in police stop video. His mask was easy to see in that situation, it’s a shame they didn’t monitor his movements 24/7 once he came back home without her like they should have.
I see nervousness yes, but not like Chris Watts. It’s hard to explain, but I just don’t get the same feeling here—now that’s literally after watching one encounter with him when she’s still alive! So I couldn’t say truly without watching an after the fact video of him. What I see is a passionate young couple, no real malice. Just two kids who can’t keep their feelings under control, I think we are all guilty of that at some point. There isn’t a reason or motive to speak of! They seem to love each other! Or at least be codependent. Either way, it doesn’t scream to me murderer. Maybe I’m missing something but I could totally see this as heat of moment, crime of passion such. Like maybe they were fighting and she tripped and fell and hit her head! There’s not even a clear means of death yet, just homicide. I’m interested to hear what they find out.
I have a feeling it’s going to be determined to be death by strangulation, he looks like someone who would do that.click to expand
The police are keeping a tight lid on cause of death.
Posted by saggurl88Posted by LentoBull91Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by LentoBull91Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by jazzykidPosted by AbbyNormal
Where’s the body cam footage?
Thank you! I’d be surprised to find out that the Moab couple killing was connected to this. Also, that this was anything other than accidental. I could very well see this as a heated couple fight gone wrong, he accidentally kills her and then flips out and doesn’t know what to do. Unlike the murderer someone mentioned above, I don’t get the same feeling when I watch this guy. He doesn’t just scream “He did it!” like with other dude, the Taurus. I watched the footage of them searching the home and he looked so guilty it wasn’t even funny! Of course, that was watching someone after the fact rather than before like in this footage.
I got the same feeling from Brian as I did for Chris watts right away, this guy is guilty, his portrayal of innocence is so fake in police stop video. His mask was easy to see in that situation, it’s a shame they didn’t monitor his movements 24/7 once he came back home without her like they should have.
I see nervousness yes, but not like Chris Watts. It’s hard to explain, but I just don’t get the same feeling here—now that’s literally after watching one encounter with him when she’s still alive! So I couldn’t say truly without watching an after the fact video of him. What I see is a passionate young couple, no real malice. Just two kids who can’t keep their feelings under control, I think we are all guilty of that at some point. There isn’t a reason or motive to speak of! They seem to love each other! Or at least be codependent. Either way, it doesn’t scream to me murderer. Maybe I’m missing something but I could totally see this as heat of moment, crime of passion such. Like maybe they were fighting and she tripped and fell and hit her head! There’s not even a clear means of death yet, just homicide. I’m interested to hear what they find out.
I have a feeling it’s going to be determined to be death by strangulation, he looks like someone who would do that.
PLOT TWIST- What if he ended up killing her the same way as the other Moab woman? What if he is the "creepy guy"!?
The police are keeping a tight lid on cause of death.click to expand
He was called creepy by the people at the bar he was at in the 26th I believed
Posted by TruemaraGUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!Posted by saggurl88Posted by LentoBull91Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by LentoBull91Posted by AbbyNormalPosted by jazzykidPosted by AbbyNormal
Where’s the body cam footage?
Thank you! I’d be surprised to find out that the Moab couple killing was connected to this. Also, that this was anything other than accidental. I could very well see this as a heated couple fight gone wrong, he accidentally kills her and then flips out and doesn’t know what to do. Unlike the murderer someone mentioned above, I don’t get the same feeling when I watch this guy. He doesn’t just scream “He did it!” like with other dude, the Taurus. I watched the footage of them searching the home and he looked so guilty it wasn’t even funny! Of course, that was watching someone after the fact rather than before like in this footage.
I got the same feeling from Brian as I did for Chris watts right away, this guy is guilty, his portrayal of innocence is so fake in police stop video. His mask was easy to see in that situation, it’s a shame they didn’t monitor his movements 24/7 once he came back home without her like they should have.
I see nervousness yes, but not like Chris Watts. It’s hard to explain, but I just don’t get the same feeling here—now that’s literally after watching one encounter with him when she’s still alive! So I couldn’t say truly without watching an after the fact video of him. What I see is a passionate young couple, no real malice. Just two kids who can’t keep their feelings under control, I think we are all guilty of that at some point. There isn’t a reason or motive to speak of! They seem to love each other! Or at least be codependent. Either way, it doesn’t scream to me murderer. Maybe I’m missing something but I could totally see this as heat of moment, crime of passion such. Like maybe they were fighting and she tripped and fell and hit her head! There’s not even a clear means of death yet, just homicide. I’m interested to hear what they find out.
I have a feeling it’s going to be determined to be death by strangulation, he looks like someone who would do that.
PLOT TWIST- What if he ended up killing her the same way as the other Moab woman? What if he is the "creepy guy"!?
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