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Posted by ArgusIt's definitely a tool for oppressions for millions of Islam women. Even if half the population like it, it's still oppressive to the ones that don't and are forced to wear it. Islam treats women horribly, any denial of that is pure delusion and brainwashing. They treat non Islam women even worse too. There are many Islamic men who do believe that all women should wear a Hijab. An Islamic woman might not wear a Hijab, then might come a across a man who will treat her like dirt.Posted by Walk_on_byPosted by TemporaryAccommodationPosted by Walk_on_byPosted by TemporaryAccommodationPosted by SoulPosted by TemporaryAccommodationPosted by SoulPosted by TemporaryAccommodation
The US has sent Israel thousands of munitions.
They are launching hellfire missiles (designed to take out tanks) into refugee camps (people living in tents).
One of the many, many atrocities they do.
You're either against the genocide of the Palestinians or for it.
There is no middle ground.
I'm not for that, but I am curious what the other hand is? Like what do you think should be done?
As much as it sounds like I picking sides, I feel the weaker side should surrender, and try to save their people in any way possible. That is a hot take people will absolutely hate, but it's true. The weak side that can't stand up for themselves and will lose 100% should simply surrender in attempt salvage innocent lives. To keep it going and forcing people to die is pretty sad tbh. Unless you think the whole world should get involved at large. Which in that case, amplify the innocent death toll to unfathomable numbers.
Also I'll make a little edit to make it known I'm not saying Palestine is weak because I hate Muslim, or worship Israel because I think they are powerful. I despise this situation. What I'm saying is the evidence is on the table and clear. The US and Isreal clearly aren't going to stop. So what is the best solution? If you can find one that doesn't bring the innocent death toll to record numbers I'll actually be surprised.
You are taking the position that Israel is being fair and would treat surrender fairly.
The same Israel that is bombing, schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, refugee camps, bakeries and anything else.
They are not. They are an oppressive force that has broken hundreds of international laws.
Israel are the land invaders, the illegal occupiers.
Like I said, you're either for the genocide of Palestians or you aren't.
Israel have "arrested" thousands of Palestinians. They are held in military courts without trials and kept in prisons for years. Many are children who are taken. These men, women and children and then beaten and sodomized by Israeli guards.
This has been happening since before Oct 7th.
So no. Palestinians peacefully surrendering their land and homes will not end their suffering at the hands of Israelis.
You are extraordinarily ignorant of the real situation at hand but then try to play it off like there's an achievable middle ground.
This does not exist. You either want Palestinian genocide or you stand against it.
No, I want you to tell me the other hand of the situation. A situation with no innocent death that can exist within reality. That is your main argument right? The death of innocent people? Because we can all agree if Palestine was given the exact same power Isreal has, the tables would turn, and because of that the statistics of innocent death would continue to rise. So what is the solution?
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No. We cannot agree the tables would not turn. Because it absolutely would not. Israel is run by Fascists with a clear ethnic cleansing ideology.
Your islamaphobic rhetoric is no doubt as a result of consuming Zionist media for decades.
Palestinians lived in peace before "Israeli migrants" appeared.
Palestine comprised of Jews, Christians and Muslims living in harmony. So no, the tables would not turn. You live in the Star Wars empire friend and you don't even know it.
Israeli government should be charged for war crimes for the butcher of Palestinians (and their own citizens).
That's the first thing that should happen.
The settler movement in Israel needs to be disbanded and the Murderers within it put into jail is the next.
All stolen lands and properties to be returned to the Palestinians is the next step. There is a lot.
All apartheid laws abolished. Palestinians given back their genuine self governance again (so they can create a military, set their own laws etc)
That's the peaceful resolution.
See the problem with this is why you won't get your deal, you've only specified what Israel have to do and how it's all their fault. Where is the peace in that, you're on that attack. You do realize Israel doesn't have to have a ceasefire, they can have it on their terms because they have the fire power, they can eradicate Palestine. Why will they accept your terms, when they don't need to.
You're trying to pick fights you aren't equipped for. Strange behaviour.
Who said anything about Israel wanting to accept these proposals that I have made?
I was asked what the solution to stop violence is, I have answered it.
Nothing can be done until these war mongering bastards are rotting in jail. Nothing will be done because Israel are paying tens of millions to western politicians and own several hundred media outlets. Keeping sheep quiet.
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You going to tell us how you think women should wear Hijabs yeah? What else, you're right I'm not equipped for it, I know fuck all. Except Hijabs bad.
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Why does Hijab trigger ppl so much!? Baring in mind it is most assuredly not the only religion in which women -as well as men - are required some form of headware. I mean, nuns cover their heads no!? And until the 60s or so one could not enter a church without a hat at least. Also, Hijabs aren't specifically a "religious" parifinila as they are cultural/ethnic markers given every region with Muslim pupilation wears them differently if at all.
I mean really, it boggles my mind why ppl are so triggered by a Hijab? Is it because there's nothing to oogle on? Can't be the old worn out "oh, it's a symbol of oppression" because eif they were so oppressed, millions of of women wouldn't ware them. But nahhh, western society yet again has to impose their own value systhem on others as per usual!click to expand
Posted by Walk_on_bySo let me get this straight, you are outraged over a Hijab as a symbol of oppression but deaths of over 11000 leave you unfazed. Got it!Posted by ArgusPosted by Walk_on_byPosted by TemporaryAccommodationPosted by Walk_on_byPosted by TemporaryAccommodationPosted by SoulPosted by TemporaryAccommodationPosted by SoulPosted by TemporaryAccommodation
The US has sent Israel thousands of munitions.
They are launching hellfire missiles (designed to take out tanks) into refugee camps (people living in tents).
One of the many, many atrocities they do.
You're either against the genocide of the Palestinians or for it.
There is no middle ground.
I'm not for that, but I am curious what the other hand is? Like what do you think should be done?
As much as it sounds like I picking sides, I feel the weaker side should surrender, and try to save their people in any way possible. That is a hot take people will absolutely hate, but it's true. The weak side that can't stand up for themselves and will lose 100% should simply surrender in attempt salvage innocent lives. To keep it going and forcing people to die is pretty sad tbh. Unless you think the whole world should get involved at large. Which in that case, amplify the innocent death toll to unfathomable numbers.
Also I'll make a little edit to make it known I'm not saying Palestine is weak because I hate Muslim, or worship Israel because I think they are powerful. I despise this situation. What I'm saying is the evidence is on the table and clear. The US and Isreal clearly aren't going to stop. So what is the best solution? If you can find one that doesn't bring the innocent death toll to record numbers I'll actually be surprised.
You are taking the position that Israel is being fair and would treat surrender fairly.
The same Israel that is bombing, schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, refugee camps, bakeries and anything else.
They are not. They are an oppressive force that has broken hundreds of international laws.
Israel are the land invaders, the illegal occupiers.
Like I said, you're either for the genocide of Palestians or you aren't.
Israel have "arrested" thousands of Palestinians. They are held in military courts without trials and kept in prisons for years. Many are children who are taken. These men, women and children and then beaten and sodomized by Israeli guards.
This has been happening since before Oct 7th.
So no. Palestinians peacefully surrendering their land and homes will not end their suffering at the hands of Israelis.
You are extraordinarily ignorant of the real situation at hand but then try to play it off like there's an achievable middle ground.
This does not exist. You either want Palestinian genocide or you stand against it.
No, I want you to tell me the other hand of the situation. A situation with no innocent death that can exist within reality. That is your main argument right? The death of innocent people? Because we can all agree if Palestine was given the exact same power Isreal has, the tables would turn, and because of that the statistics of innocent death would continue to rise. So what is the solution?
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No. We cannot agree the tables would not turn. Because it absolutely would not. Israel is run by Fascists with a clear ethnic cleansing ideology.
Your islamaphobic rhetoric is no doubt as a result of consuming Zionist media for decades.
Palestinians lived in peace before "Israeli migrants" appeared.
Palestine comprised of Jews, Christians and Muslims living in harmony. So no, the tables would not turn. You live in the Star Wars empire friend and you don't even know it.
Israeli government should be charged for war crimes for the butcher of Palestinians (and their own citizens).
That's the first thing that should happen.
The settler movement in Israel needs to be disbanded and the Murderers within it put into jail is the next.
All stolen lands and properties to be returned to the Palestinians is the next step. There is a lot.
All apartheid laws abolished. Palestinians given back their genuine self governance again (so they can create a military, set their own laws etc)
That's the peaceful resolution.
See the problem with this is why you won't get your deal, you've only specified what Israel have to do and how it's all their fault. Where is the peace in that, you're on that attack. You do realize Israel doesn't have to have a ceasefire, they can have it on their terms because they have the fire power, they can eradicate Palestine. Why will they accept your terms, when they don't need to.
You're trying to pick fights you aren't equipped for. Strange behaviour.
Who said anything about Israel wanting to accept these proposals that I have made?
I was asked what the solution to stop violence is, I have answered it.
Nothing can be done until these war mongering bastards are rotting in jail. Nothing will be done because Israel are paying tens of millions to western politicians and own several hundred media outlets. Keeping sheep quiet.
click to expand
You going to tell us how you think women should wear Hijabs yeah? What else, you're right I'm not equipped for it, I know fuck all. Except Hijabs bad.
click to expand
Why does Hijab trigger ppl so much!? Baring in mind it is most assuredly not the only religion in which women -as well as men - are required some form of headware. I mean, nuns cover their heads no!? And until the 60s or so one could not enter a church without a hat at least. Also, Hijabs aren't specifically a "religious" parifinila as they are cultural/ethnic markers given every region with Muslim pupilation wears them differently if at all.
I mean really, it boggles my mind why ppl are so triggered by a Hijab? Is it because there's nothing to oogle on? Can't be the old worn out "oh, it's a symbol of oppression" because eif they were so oppressed, millions of of women wouldn't ware them. But nahhh, western society yet again has to impose their own value systhem on others as per usual!
click to expand
It's definitely a tool for oppressions for millions of Islam women. Even if half the population like it, it's still oppressive to the ones that don't and are forced to wear it. Islam treats women horribly, any denial of that is pure delusion and brainwashing. They treat non Islam women even worse too. There are many Islamic men who do believe that all women should wear a Hijab. An Islamic woman might not wear a Hijab, then might come a across a man who will treat her like dirt.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/feb/06/iran-protesters-police-rapes-beatings-and-tortureclick to expand
Posted by AstrobynIt is actually quite disconcerting!
I think that there are some scary things that are going within our media and our laws, that make it more and more apparent that our freedom is an illusion only exist because people generally collectively believe it does.
Posted by LoverOfTheSea
It depends on your beliefs and values. I believe in the "I AM".
Earth to me is a learning and growing place. We have our trials and tribulations. Each one is different during our stay here. There is a time to fight and a time to surrender. In my eyes everything is filtered through Gods hands. We are all chosen for something. Good or Evil.....You will know when that time comes.
Fear not for he is with you. If I am chosen to sacrifice then so be it. I have gained something.
Something Good will come out of it. "Take Heart"
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