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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


Once she murders everyone else, she'll be the only one left.


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Common. The McDougals aren't dead.


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False, and history proves it.

The USA was founded as a Constitutional Republic. The only thing the US government is technically supposed to finance through the taxpayer is the military.

However, over the years the US Constitution has been "adjusted" by socialists to make the taxpayers finance even more government programs than the Founding Fathers originally intended.

Without the socialists, the US would probably be even more successful economically.


So without socialist.. how do we pay for roads, EMS, LEO, etc?


The state governments are responsible for that.

In Florida, there is no state income tax on area residents since tourism and other similar businesses generate enough tax revenue to sustain what you described.

In other states, they choose to tax their citizens to pay for stuff.

If socialists had their way in Florida (like they nearly did with Gillum trying to become governor), there would be new state income taxes in Florida (and ultimately piss everyone with a brain off).


Yet Florida is a blue state...

Interesting analysis
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Florida is Balkanized by racial and ethnic demographics.

South Florida is Balkanized between blacks, Puerto Ricans, jews, and other regressives who vote for the democrat party in lockstep. If Satan himself runs on the democrat ticket, then these losers are going to vote for Satan.

South Florida also thankfully has the Cuban-American population, which votes overwhelmingly for Republicans (since they favor free and open society devoid of the Communism they fled from in Cuba).

Central Florida is more of the same as South Florida.

North Florida is mostly Republican (except for Tallahassee, AKA Crime City). Were it not for Crime City, then North Florida would pretty much be a lock for Republicans.

The state has a turbulent past when it comes to elections, and the democrats are always the ones who cheat and try to steal elections here.
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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet
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I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.
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False, and history proves it.

The USA was founded as a Constitutional Republic. The only thing the US government is technically supposed to finance through the taxpayer is the military.

However, over the years the US Constitution has been "adjusted" by socialists to make the taxpayers finance even more government programs than the Founding Fathers originally intended.

Without the socialists, the US would probably be even more successful economically.


So without socialist.. how do we pay for roads, EMS, LEO, etc?


The state governments are responsible for that.

In Florida, there is no state income tax on area residents since tourism and other similar businesses generate enough tax revenue to sustain what you described.

In other states, they choose to tax their citizens to pay for stuff.

If socialists had their way in Florida (like they nearly did with Gillum trying to become governor), there would be new state income taxes in Florida (and ultimately piss everyone with a brain off).


Yet Florida is a blue state...

Interesting analysis


Florida is Balkanized by racial and ethnic demographics.

South Florida is Balkanized between blacks, Puerto Ricans, jews, and other regressives who vote for the democrat party in lockstep. If Satan himself runs on the democrat ticket, then these losers are going to vote for Satan.

South Florida also thankfully has the Cuban-American population, which votes overwhelmingly for Republicans (since they favor free and open society devoid of the Communism they fled from in Cuba).

Central Florida is more of the same as South Florida.

North Florida is mostly Republican (except for Tallahassee, AKA Crime City). Were it not for Crime City, then North Florida would pretty much be a lock for Republicans.

The state has a turbulent past when it comes to elections, and the democrats are always the ones who cheat and try to steal elections here.
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Just shut up

You said if socialist had their way... there would be an income tax.

Florida is blue. There is no income tax.

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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.
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False, and history proves it.

The USA was founded as a Constitutional Republic. The only thing the US government is technically supposed to finance through the taxpayer is the military.

However, over the years the US Constitution has been "adjusted" by socialists to make the taxpayers finance even more government programs than the Founding Fathers originally intended.

Without the socialists, the US would probably be even more successful economically.


So without socialist.. how do we pay for roads, EMS, LEO, etc?


The state governments are responsible for that.

In Florida, there is no state income tax on area residents since tourism and other similar businesses generate enough tax revenue to sustain what you described.

In other states, they choose to tax their citizens to pay for stuff.

If socialists had their way in Florida (like they nearly did with Gillum trying to become governor), there would be new state income taxes in Florida (and ultimately piss everyone with a brain off).


Yet Florida is a blue state...

Interesting analysis


Florida is Balkanized by racial and ethnic demographics.

South Florida is Balkanized between blacks, Puerto Ricans, jews, and other regressives who vote for the democrat party in lockstep. If Satan himself runs on the democrat ticket, then these losers are going to vote for Satan.

South Florida also thankfully has the Cuban-American population, which votes overwhelmingly for Republicans (since they favor free and open society devoid of the Communism they fled from in Cuba).

Central Florida is more of the same as South Florida.

North Florida is mostly Republican (except for Tallahassee, AKA Crime City). Were it not for Crime City, then North Florida would pretty much be a lock for Republicans.

The state has a turbulent past when it comes to elections, and the democrats are always the ones who cheat and try to steal elections here.


Just shut up

You said if socialist had their way... there would be an income tax.

Florida is blue. There is no income tax.

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How about you shut up?

Gillum, had he won, would have turned Florida upside down with his socialist policies.

Florida is NOT a decidedly blue state.

It is a Battleground State, and could go either way with major elections.
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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.


You're scared to be wrong
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Hahaha, YOU are the last thing I would be scared of.

Fine, fine.

I will bet you a cup of tea that Hillary Clinton runs for the 2020 ticket.

Will you take this bet?
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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.


You're scared to be wrong


Hahaha, YOU are the last thing I would be scared of.

Fine, fine.

I will bet you a cup of tea that Hillary Clinton runs for the 2020 ticket.

Will you take this bet?
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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.


You're scared to be wrong


Hahaha, YOU are the last thing I would be scared of.

Fine, fine.

I will bet you a cup of tea that Hillary Clinton runs for the 2020 ticket.

Will you take this bet?


1,000 dxp points
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Alright, so we agree that the loser has to provide the winner with a cup of tea.

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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.


You're scared to be wrong


Hahaha, YOU are the last thing I would be scared of.

Fine, fine.

I will bet you a cup of tea that Hillary Clinton runs for the 2020 ticket.

Will you take this bet?


1,000 dxp points


Alright, so we agree that the loser has to provide the winner with a cup of tea.

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1,000 dxp points. Yay or nay?
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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.


You're scared to be wrong


Hahaha, YOU are the last thing I would be scared of.

Fine, fine.

I will bet you a cup of tea that Hillary Clinton runs for the 2020 ticket.

Will you take this bet?


1,000 dxp points


Alright, so we agree that the loser has to provide the winner with a cup of tea.

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1,000 dxp points. Yay or nay?
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What the hell are dxp points?
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What blows my mind is this pervasive,irrational fear in the minds of many Americans who have been brainwashed enough to equate socialism with communism. Most developed countries in the west have some form of socialism to varies degrees.

So before you start spewing your ignorance and at hominem attacks which arose from said ignorance, do educate yourself on that matter.


Socialism is to Communism as Bud Light is to Budweiser.

It's the less violent version of the same platform.


Who pays for roads? EMS? LEO? Firefighters?

Surely you don't think private entities keep them afloat?


People who work for a living have to keep the tax money flowing to the government coffers.

It is the taxpayer who finances all of that, professor.


So... socialism?


That isn't socialism, thats just good government policies looking after its people but inside a capitalist system (liberal policies). In some countrys there are still private company's doing the work, making profit off the job, on tax payer dollars. Socialism would be if all of the private corporations fell into government ownership, and people are no longer working for themselves, they are working for government. Its not really a good system, people don't want to work for no returns or to have their returns given to the reigns of the government to do as they please. The government is always corrupt, wtf would we give them more power over us than they already have.

Btw the current capitalist model is just as bad, basically giving rich corporations the same power that communism gives the government. At least there is an opportunity to work your way up in this model.


Nobody is wanting all corps under government control though. Who wants that?


Fuck, the irony of it is that the majority of right voters are probably poor lower middle class folks who would benifit the most from all that good stuff. I know they do over here.
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I want to point this sentence out particularly..

Be up this is a lot of what I see in Arkansas.

Folks living paycheck to paycheck, on SSI.. living in their 40 year old trailers. Voting Republican..

Makes no sense
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P.S. Socialism has failed every time it has been tried.


How you figure capitalism hasn't?


Aren't you from a failed socialist state originally?


You are confusing socialism with nationalism.


Nope.

Answer the question, dickhead.
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I literally answered the question. Socialism had nothing to do with the downfall of Yugoslavia. Do your homework
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I just wish the Socialist Justice Wackos would pay attention to what is happening in Venezuela.

The people there are literally breaking into the nation's zoos, chasing down and attacking the animals, and taking them home for dinner.

Socialism is a failure when one sees people chopping up Flamingos from the zoo to eat.


Sure. Let’s just completely ignore the US’s role in Venezuela all together. It’s ‘socialisms’ fault.




The USA is trying to overturn Maduro and his Socialist regime.

Before the Venezuelans suffered through Maduro, they had all kinds of Socialist wackos like Chavez ruling over them.

Before Socialism, Venezuela was a flourishing economic power which used natural resources to bolster their economy.

You should educate yourself on what Venezuela was like before the Socialists took over.
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question, how old are you? venezuela socialism goes way before chavez, he just was a populist that took advantage of the idiots that didn't know their own political system,

and do you mean this? what about it? the world has change way too much since the 70s, how do you know this would have continued? not even the US is what it was back then

btw 1977 is the point when the oil industry was nationalized

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AND, where did this info that people are eating zoo animals come from? did anyone see these animals eaten?

first they say staving people get into zoos to eat the animals then they say the animals are dying and starving themself cuz, you know, why would someone feed the animals when there are people starving

https://qcostarica.com/ruperta-the-face-of-animals-starving-in-venezuela/

the news just come and go, always contradicting, never thinking. P.S that elephant is dead now. and not eaten by anyone! mind you.

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"Sure. Let’s just completely ignore the US’s role in Venezuela all together. It’s ‘socialisms’ fault"

It doesn't matter if the US is involved, how did they manage to be unable to raise food in a tropical country? that shouldn't be possible, it makes no sense, that's just the government fault, especially after the whole land takeovers

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5716

in 2010 the chavez government nationalized the biggest agricultural supply company responsible for supplying fertilizer, seeds and agrochemicals to the country, and renamed it "agropatria" literally "agrifatherland" because ofc >,> and lo and behold, now theres food scarcity, I can understand that US sanctions would make venezuelans unable to get technology and shit but, and fucking directv is still working in the country!? oh common, you got to be kidding me, I'm not researching anymore.

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"What happened in Venezuela or socialism?"

are they not related? is there an example of socialism not managing to end into the dirt?

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is crazy that now everyone can point at venezuela, but I don't remember anyone talking shit 10y ago, specially while the entire globe was shitting bricks during the 2008 economic crisis, but now, that the entire country has a new dictator and the economy flopped in the last 6 years, everyone is like AH HA!!
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You have to agree on terms before you can have this discussion.

Simplified:

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Socialism

Socialism:

An economic and social theory that seeks to maximize wealth and opportunity for all people through public ownership and control of industries and social services.

Most economies are mixed to some extent.

Too many conflate politics with economics.

They're two different entities although they do intertwine (von Mises has a seminal work to explain under what economics this happens more, aka socialism).

Despite the excuses for Venezuela on this thread, it did follow the textbook. Chavez was democratically elected, after all.

Then there is socialism's sibling, known as fascism. IMHO, every time you see an example of crony capitalism (bank bailouts where their debt is socialized, the GM bailout, Solyndra, et al ), that's fascism.

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I just wish the Socialist Justice Wackos would pay attention to what is happening in Venezuela.

The people there are literally breaking into the nation's zoos, chasing down and attacking the animals, and taking them home for dinner.

Socialism is a failure when one sees people chopping up Flamingos from the zoo to eat.


Sure. Let’s just completely ignore the US’s role in Venezuela all together. It’s ‘socialisms’ fault.




The USA is trying to overturn Maduro and his Socialist regime.

Before the Venezuelans suffered through Maduro, they had all kinds of Socialist wackos like Chavez ruling over them.

Before Socialism, Venezuela was a flourishing economic power which used natural resources to bolster their economy.

You should educate yourself on what Venezuela was like before the Socialists took over.

question, how old are you? venezuela socialism goes way before chavez, he just was a populist that took advantage of the idiots that didn't know their own political system,

and do you mean this? what about it? the world has change way too much since the 70s, how do you know this would have continued? not even the US is what it was back then

btw 1977 is the point when the oil industry was nationalized

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AND, where did this info that people are eating zoo animals come from? did anyone see these animals eaten?

first they say staving people get into zoos to eat the animals then they say the animals are dying and starving themself cuz, you know, why would someone feed the animals when there are people starving

https://qcostarica.com/ruperta-the-face-of-animals-starving-in-venezuela/

the news just come and go, always contradicting, never thinking. P.S that elephant is dead now. and not eaten by anyone! mind you.

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Posted by LadyNeptune

"Sure. Let’s just completely ignore the US’s role in Venezuela all together. It’s ‘socialisms’ fault"

It doesn't matter if the US is involved, how did they manage to be unable to raise food in a tropical country? that shouldn't be possible, it makes no sense, that's just the government fault, especially after the whole land takeovers

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5716

in 2010 the chavez government nationalized the biggest agricultural supply company responsible for supplying fertilizer, seeds and agrochemicals to the country, and renamed it "agropatria" literally "agrifatherland" because ofc >,> and lo and behold, now theres food scarcity, I can understand that US sanctions would make venezuelans unable to get technology and shit but, and fucking directv is still working in the country!? oh common, you got to be kidding me, I'm not researching anymore.

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"Posted by Boring"

"What happened in Venezuela or socialism?"

are they not related? is there an example of socialism not managing to end into the dirt?

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is crazy that now everyone can point at venezuela, but I don't remember anyone talking shit 10y ago, specially while the entire globe was shitting bricks during the 2008 economic crisis, but now, that the entire country has a new dictator and the economy flopped in the last 6 years, everyone is like AH HA!!


Social democracy is a form of socialism and you have plenty of good examples.

It feels like the definition of terms, or the lack thereof, is in the core of most of our misunderstandings in this conversation.

For those thinking social democracy is capitalist, maybe you should accept that some apply a broader definition of socialism, which is totally in coherence with political theory, as we should accept you apply a narrower definition. Hat could be beneficial for the development of the discussion .
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by that logic wouldnt socialism just be a branch of liberalism or progressivism? both are the reason "christian democracy" exist and share the emphasis on the community, social justice, welfare state, labor unions and support for regulation of market forces, a socialism without social ownership of the means of production is not socialism, is just anything else with a welfare state, something that predate socialism himself.

"For those thinking social democracy is capitalist, maybe you should accept that some apply a broader definition of socialism"

capitalism is an economic model, is not a political model per se, social democracy can have a capitalist economy, but then would it really be socialism? is like calling someone in a diet a vegan, is not.

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and do you then agree with @Neshama list of countries as example?

even danish prime minister rasmusse said "denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. denmark is a market economy" and I just can't believe people think norway or denmark can be considered something near socialism, they are still monarchies, there's nothing more far to socialism than having a freaking monarch.

also, according to the oecd the US did spend more than canada in "public and mandatory and voluntary private social expenditure at programme level"

https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=SOCX_AGG
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I don't agree with her list because "social democracy" can be established in the framework of different economic philosophies (or vice versa).

It is also true tho that social democracy was established as a transition ideology from capitalism to socialism. After Marxism was rejected by most social democracies they turned to other economical systems to apply their otherwise non-econonical ideology. If you see my comment on Neshama's post you'll see I disagreed on the list.

What I'm trying to say is that the terminology in this case is stained by lots of different perspectives and approaches which have added to different definitions and changed them. There can be a social democracy in a socialist economy model and there are such in a capitalist model.

My point is that instead of using "socialism", "capitalism" etc as clearly determined definitions within our debate, it would make more sense to try to understand what everyone is actually saying when they use a certain word and reflect on the substance of the message instead of the semantics.

Apart from the frames of this particular conversation, nuanced by the participators, I agree that the popular definition of socialism is the economical system characterised by state ownership on the means of production, capital, land etc.

I also agree that social democracy can be implemented both in a capitalist and a socialist economic systems.

My personal preference, without being an expert on anything else but law, is a social democratic society within a liberal economy with few but some important restrictions on the free market and private ownership.

truly social democracy is supposed to be a transition period, but it has stayed that ways for decades now, that's why I compared to someone doing a diet, and the only reason the term is stained is cuz "RED MENACE!!!" in america anything that even rimes with welfare is considered communism, but trump is president so, who takes american ideologies seriously these days.

but I insist that socialism without that economic system, just don't offer anything to differentiate from other politicals movements that existed before.

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"My personal preference, without being an expert on anything else but law, is a social democratic society within a liberal economy with few but some important restrictions on the free market and private ownership"

well there's more than a couple of examples for that.

but do you rank higher the nordic model, extremely dependant on janteloven imho or the dutch polder model, depending on consensus and actually following that consensus.

I presume you would rather the more welfare oriented government of the pacific pumas to the very neoliberal economy in the asian tigers, after all, in the likes of peru the gov covers about 60% of the people access to health services.

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"There is a part of communist theory that assumes capitalism naturally evolves into communism"

and it makes sense, some people are extraordinary, some are more cunning, some have more beuaty, if they get more material gains because of that, there's no guarantee that anyone will just accept it, greed and envy are natural part of the human psyche, social classes will always born out off human individualism.

yet it always follow two path, if a revolution takes places and eliminate the social classes a vacuĂźm follows, if communism (where there's no state, or money or yadayada) then you have to hope that no one with a particular lets call it "gift" will take advantage and manage to place themself above the average, in which case mediocrity may follow (lack of motivation generally) to the point of disaster and a change is required in order to even maintain the means of productions in the first place

the second path would be the socialist state following the revolution, where the state controls the means of production, corruption start to become rampant, the people who are responsible for overseeing the state becomes the new dominant class, so inequality follows again, and a new revolution is proposed.

the problem is not the system, the problem is mankind, and the system doesn't take that problem in consideration.
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You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.


You're scared to be wrong


Hahaha, YOU are the last thing I would be scared of.

Fine, fine.

I will bet you a cup of tea that Hillary Clinton runs for the 2020 ticket.

Will you take this bet?


1,000 dxp points


Alright, so we agree that the loser has to provide the winner with a cup of tea.

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1,000 dxp points. Yay or nay?


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Posted by _Dazed

Posted by Effortless

Posted by _Dazed

Posted by Effortless

You clowns realize that Hillary Clinton is going to steal the nomination from Sanders again, right?


She's not running


The hell she isn't.

She is being quiet about it, but it's going to happen.


Let's make a bet


I don't bet.

But if I did, I would bet 10,000 dollars that the evil bitch is gonna make a run for 2020 and steal it away from Sanders and the other wackos.


You're scared to be wrong


Hahaha, YOU are the last thing I would be scared of.

Fine, fine.

I will bet you a cup of tea that Hillary Clinton runs for the 2020 ticket.

Will you take this bet?


1,000 dxp points


Alright, so we agree that the loser has to provide the winner with a cup of tea.

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1,000 dxp points. Yay or nay?


What the hell are dxp points?


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/5/18251637/hillary-clinton-2020-bernie-sanders-not-running
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Hahahahaha!!!!

Americans, no matter who you are or where you are, win MASSIVELY today!!!!