Elon’s revenge

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by Stardustmopped on Sunday, February 9, 2025 and has 133 replies.
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Being mindful that some people probably don’t want to see bitching back and forth in the comments for 4 years.

Im mostly interested in DOGE and what Elons doing. Is this brilliant government streamlining or short sighted political theater?

❌USAID is frozen. USAID represents roughly .6% of the annual federal budget. Of that .6% they’ve found some spending that they don’t agree with. So a fraction of a fraction of the budget has been “misused” yet the entire agency is gone. If this is about the principle, why not audit and fix the fraud? Investigate and tell me who’s responsible for the fraud. Are they being held accountable? How does shutting down an agency fix the problem within the government? It will just continue to happen in new less transparent ways.

Bernie who in December said “Elon is right…” is now saying “We can stop him…”

Bitchhhhhhhhh 🤣

(I thought I had more to say but I have to go do a baby valentine photoshoot)

It's coup #2.
Likely doing irreparable damage to our government. Deleting shit and all that. Who knows if there are any copies of anything or if they're just deleting that too. Years of work. Data.


I can't comment much on USAID because, in the spirit of full disclosure, I do not possess enough information to cast an opinion. That being said, it appears Trump just recently announced that Pentagon will be next to which I give my wholehearted blessings seeing how trillions of dollars have vanished (unaccounted for) year after year yet congress kept inreasing their budget far beyond of what was quested. What gives?
It's manipulation. On a high level.

Project 2025 is very real. Also ironically the deep state Trump was speaking to is the Heritage foundation...they basically are getting ride of anyone who willn't fall in line and do as thier told in government. Will see how this plays out.
I think it's odd how much people focus on politics, and that none of us can change. It's actually quite depressing. All I see around is me people focused on what rich people you will never meet are doing. It's like people are stuck in a perpetual state of sadness and anxiety. I really wish people could look past all that, and focus on themselves and what actually matters in life while they still can. The news and social media is evil by nature imo, and has control over what seems like everyone at this point. Everyone today thinks they need, and even lives by a warped political opinion that was made by corrupt politicians. People care more about their meaningless political alliance then almost everything else at this point. I find it such a sad way to spend ones time here. People could be spending time with family, friends, developing to talents, or just enjoying hobbies and experiences. Instead everyone is too focused on what Elon and Trump are doing. Fuck those guys.
Posted by Soul
I think it's odd how much people focus on politics, and that none of us can change. It's actually quite depressing. All I see around is me people focused on what rich people you will never meet are doing. It's like people are stuck in a perpetual state of sadness and anxiety. I really wish people could look past all that, and focus on themselves and what actually matters in life while they still can. The news and social media is evil by nature imo, and has control over what seems like everyone at this point. Everyone today thinks they need, and even lives by a warped political opinion that was made by corrupt politicians. People care more about their meaningless political alliance then almost everything else at this point. I find it such a sad way to spend ones time here. People could be spending time with family, friends, developing to talents, or just enjoying hobbies and experiences. Instead everyone is too focused on what Elon and Trump are doing. Fuck those guys.
I understand where you’re coming from. People can get consumed by politics and it can fuel anxiety and division. I’m not obsessed with every headline but I do like to stay informed. I was engaged at 20 years old and my fiance went to Iraq and did not come back the same person. He earned a Purple Heart. Wars just don’t start out of nowhere. Policies don’t just affect “other people”. I still focus on my family (you’ll see I mentioned my niece in my OP) and my passions, and what truly matters. I also know that being informed is part of being engaged in the world we live in. Its about balance. I also enjoy debating (Sagittarius mars) and I know that is very draining for a lot of people which is why I kept it out of the comments. If you feel it affect your well being in a negative way, by all means please step away. Your peace of mind matters more than headlines.
Posted by Argus

I can't comment much on USAID because, in the spirit of full disclosure, I do not possess enough information to cast an opinion. That being said, it appears Trump just recently announced that Pentagon will be next to which I give my wholehearted blessings seeing how trillions of dollars have vanished (unaccounted for) year after year yet congress kept inreasing their budget far beyond of what was quested. What gives?
I think I also saw Dept of Defense which I’m interested in. But are we actually going to see anything? I still don’t understand how these saved funds are going to be reallocated. I’ve not seen anything about this money going back to taxpayers even though they keep saying “this isn’t how taxpayers want their money spent”. So it’s just going to be reabsorbed back into the federal budget for what exactly?

The tariffs were supposed to lower the federal deficit so it’s not for that? Or is it? Unclear.

Just saying “we’ll use your tax dollars more efficiently” is not an answer.

I would like to have more than a “trust me bro”

Posted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol

He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
It's Trump saying, "if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours".. so Elon gets to poke around in government affairs since he funded Trump's campaign.
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by Argus

I can't comment much on USAID because, in the spirit of full disclosure, I do not possess enough information to cast an opinion. That being said, it appears Trump just recently announced that Pentagon will be next to which I give my wholehearted blessings seeing how trillions of dollars have vanished (unaccounted for) year after year yet congress kept inreasing their budget far beyond of what was quested. What gives?


I think I also saw Dept of Defense which I’m interested in. But are we actually going to see anything? I still don’t understand how these saved funds are going to be reallocated. I’ve not seen anything about this money going back to taxpayers even though they keep saying “this isn’t how taxpayers want their money spent”. So it’s just going to be reabsorbed back into the federal budget for what exactly?
The tariffs were supposed to lower the federal deficit so it’s not for that? Or is it? Unclear.
Just saying “we’ll use your tax dollars more efficiently” is not an answer.
I would like to have more than a “trust me bro”

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All valid questions, answers to which I wish I had. I am highly skeptical of all our elected as well as unelected officials (got really jaded after Bernie's loss & now I feel even he sold out) but that's unfortunately neither here nor there. What I have learned over the years is that Trump has an uncanny ability to (unwittingly) slip bits and pieces of truth here & there aaaand contradict himself...all at the same time lol

Too much noise and distraction on multiple fronts (by design might I add) so I'm waiting for the dust to settle at least a little before casting any final judgement.

I'll most likely will be speaking to the choir here, but much of the turmoil we've been experiencing the past few years is just our chickens coming to roost... unfortunately. In '21, it was estimated that more than 60% of our manufacturing industry was/is military industrial complex. If that alone doesn't make one scratch their head, I don't know what would.

Meanwhile countries across the globe are moving away from the US dollar & forming their own economic alliances (like APEC) and so on... All that to say, tarrifs or no tarrifs, democrat or republican, our predicament was inevitable thanks to many shitty policies since the Clinton era... dare I say. Now it's just the matter of do we brace for a catastrophic impact or are we going to escape relatively unscathed!

Edit to include deep sigh 😕
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.

Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.

Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
@Argus can you source the 60% of manufacturing? can't find that
If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.

For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.

If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?

We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.

We need transparency, and we need accountability.

I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.

If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.

For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.

If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?

We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.

We need transparency, and we need accountability.

I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.

Posted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.

I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.

The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.

Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.

Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃


I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
Posted by Astrobyn
If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.
For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.
If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?
We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.
We need transparency, and we need accountability.
I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.

https://www.usaspending.gov/agency/agency-for-international-development?fy=2025

or are you not gonna believe this because it's "from the gubmint"

Posted by Solo
Posted by Astrobyn
If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.
For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.
If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?
We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.
We need transparency, and we need accountability.
I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.


https://www.usaspending.gov/agency/agency-for-international-development?fy=2025
or are you not gonna believe this because it's "from the gubmint"

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STFU nobody wants to talk to you.
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.


People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃

I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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Let's be clear here. There are NO ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE IN A GOVERNMENT. THEY ARE ALL ESTABLISHMENT BY NATURE. What people like Bernie Sanders are, are people who want more accountability and reform for the general people AS IT SHOULD BE. He's literally trying to do the job that he signed up for, working for the people. He's STILL establishment. And YES, Trump supporters DO think that he's ANTI-establishment which is fucking HILARIOUS. This dude had or has a fucking gold apartment and is a purported Billionaire and they think he's exactly like them and hates the government because he eats McDonald's and talks shit about the government EVEN THOUGH HE'S THE FUCKIN' HEAD OF STATE LOL. They think that's big brain, not just making us look like fucking fools on the international stage.

Democrats are basically right-light or somewhere around there. We don't even have an extreme left in the US that has ANY sort of grasp on national politics or representation. I'm not even sure we really have a left! I'd have to look a bit more.

I think I'm working on a winning platform, personally, but idk if I'll pass it out to anyone, maybe I will. Idk. I'm trying to do a bit more than just general ideas though, I'm trying to literally figure out if shit could work or not and it's hard lmao.

I think Bernie needed to hold his ground and say that Musk has no business doing that shit. He's been a vocal critic of people like Musk. That looks terrible.
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Posted by Solo
Posted by Astrobyn
If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.
For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.
If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?
We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.
We need transparency, and we need accountability.
I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.


https://www.usaspending.gov/agency/agency-for-international-development?fy=2025
or are you not gonna believe this because it's "from the gubmint"
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STFU nobody wants to talk to you.
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So you're not gonna. Goddittttttt
Come on, say it, I know you want to! It's gotta be bubblin' up in the deepest depths of you!

"CAN'T. TRUST. FROM. THE. GOVERNMENT. THEY. WOULDN'T. REPORT IT!!!!!!"
Posted by Solo
@Argus can you source the 60% of manufacturing? can't find that
It's been quite a while I read the article so it may take time for me to locate it but here is another one that purports the earlier estimate.

https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/you-go-to-war-with-the-industrial-base-you-have-not-the-industrial-base-you-want/

If you cant be bothered reading the whole article, scroll down to just above the 2nd image

The long process of de-industrialization in the country and the development of global supply chains has allowed for the movement of more labor-intensive manufacturing jobs overseas while keeping, to a degree, finished goods manufacturing. The clearest example is the decline of manufacturing employment from 34 percent of all U.S. jobs in 1950 to roughly 9 percent today. This is reflected across the board in other key areas like forging (lost half of all businesses since 2002), foundries (lost half of businesses since 1984), or machine tools (28 percent of global market share in 1968 to 5 percent in 2019).

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Posted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol


He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
Posted by Argus
Posted by Solo
@Argus can you source the 60% of manufacturing? can't find that


It's been quite a while I read the article so it may take time for me to locate it but here is another one that purports the earlier estimate.
https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/you-go-to-war-with-the-industrial-base-you-have-not-the-industrial-base-you-want/
If you cant be bothered reading the whole article, scroll down to just above the 2nd image
The long process of de-industrialization in the country and the development of global supply chains has allowed for the movement of more labor-intensive manufacturing jobs overseas while keeping, to a degree, finished goods manufacturing. The clearest example is the decline of manufacturing employment from 34 percent of all U.S. jobs in 1950 to roughly 9 percent today. This is reflected across the board in other key areas like forging (lost half of all businesses since 2002), foundries (lost half of businesses since 1984), or machine tools (28 percent of global market share in 1968 to 5 percent in 2019).

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Thankya thankya. Much appreciated.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/vought-orders-cfpb-to-stop-investigations-and-suspend-new-rules-from-taking-effect

Fuck it, let's stop something that was made to help protect everyone after the crashes in 2007-8. All the better for us, right?
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.


People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃

I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.


People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃

I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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Okay. I thought I remembered you posting a video or maybe just an article about Bernie’s criticisms of the Democratic Party so I might have misunderstood you to be a Bernie fan.
Posted by Solo
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol


He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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What is it
Posted by Solo
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol


He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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What is it
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by Argus
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.


People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃

I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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Okay. I thought I remembered you posting a video or maybe just an article about Bernie’s criticisms of the Democratic Party so I might have misunderstood you to be a Bernie fan.
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Oh no lol you understood correctly that I used to be Bernie supporter... operative word... user to. I since moved on
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Posted by Solo
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol


He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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What is it
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just tweeting out the word cisgender. I wonder if that's true or not, never bothered to try to fact check it
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Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by Solo
Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol


He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
click to expand


Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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What is it
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just tweeting out the word cisgender. I wonder if that's true or not, never bothered to try to fact check it
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I tweeted it but I didn’t leave it up for long.

On another note though they are on Twitter and other social media trying to lay the guilt trips already. It’s not even been a month lol. “Why are we letting politics divide us?”. *air wank*

Please. My mom is Catholic. I was forged in the fires of guilt. I am immune.
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Posted by Stardustmopped
Posted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol


He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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What is it
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just tweeting out the word cisgender. I wonder if that's true or not, never bothered to try to fact check it
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I tweeted it but I didn’t leave it up for long.
On another note though they are on Twitter and other social media trying to lay the guilt trips already. It’s not even been a month lol. “Why are we letting politics divide us?”. *air wank*
Please. My mom is Catholic. I was forged in the fires of guilt. I am immune.
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Sounds like some snowflake shit. They can't deal with consequences lmao.
Jill Steins campaign manager: of course Trump is bad, there was no illusion that he would be terrible…we can fight Trump….Now let’s organize to bury fascism.

I like how everyone is pretending this is exactly the outcome they wanted. “We wanted to dismantle the system and that will be easier to do under Trump ya seeeee. We made a mess but it’s a revolutionary mess so actually you’re welcome!”

Wild pivot
https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5QaflSn7zZwHkBT243Hhqdhq4A0h5dcH8XZilc6cT0ZkbskIE_5Uce7rg3VffmC0R7PeBERXIbw8ZGZ33-PG9OpNkrRChmNgOo1AmAAuynbDCzMFJebTPb_oE70Fv5PQ_klZVUJ7ZgFzh1HgV9uIKZuirB278WjZek_8fw5yZHKWKN1BWkr-lisIiM9Gi8FkQe-TZZLLj3aMgmtVNSgN2Z3EGkhj27nYfvY5Vjtv0SCht5kcg5TEO-CMeee9V3KC2XbLYucTi

NILES' REGISTER-OCT. 9, 1930.-GOV. MILLER'S SPEECH.

The resolution proposes to submit this controversy on our side to the assembled wisdom of the state in convention. Shall we declare we will lay down our opposition, or take the intermediate course and go for convention? - Respect for ourselves, a regard for our rights, require us to support the latter proposition. A capitulation in convention will put an end to the controversy, or the assertion in convention that the tariff of protection is void, would carry sufficient weight of authority to make every Carolinian subscribe to it, or leave the country. It is impossible to enforce a law of congress where the great mass of the people believe it founded in fraud and (enacted?) against the constitution. Let me not be misunderstood. There are three and only three ways, to reform our congressional legislation. The representative judicial and belligerent principle alone can be relied on; or as they are more familiarly called, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartouch box. The two first are constitutional, the last revolutionary. If it can be shewn that a convention will aid either of the two first schemes of reformation, then it ought to be adopted-unless the gentleman furnishes a substitute.

This man was talking about tariffs lol.

Anyway, this is where the idea of the boxes of liberty is thought to have started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

The soap box represents exercising one's right to freedom of speech to influence politics to defend liberty. The ballot box represents exercising one's right to vote to elect a government which defends liberty. The jury box represents using jury nullification to refuse to convict someone being prosecuted for breaking an unjust law that decreases liberty. The cartridge box represents exercising one's right to keep and bear arms to oppose, in armed conflict, a tyrannical government. The four boxes represent increasingly forceful methods of political action.
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BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.


People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃

I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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He never sold out. He was trying to hold Elon's feet to the fire by showing Elon to be a hypocrite about Doge's aims. Same as vocally supporting Trump saying he'll cut credit card Apr's to under 10% . They won't do it as it will just be another lie. The Republicans like to grandstand on being fiscal conservatives despite the fact Trump and W ran up the debt more than any President. Go read Bernie's Instagram. He's one of the only politicians speaking out while the rest of the Democrats are conspicuously silent. He has to work within the framework just as he did when running for President. They still colluded against him but he still wields some power as he's not gone so far as to be completely ostracized. Bernie has it correct - it's not left or right, it's class. The question is whether we are going to let the wealthy turn society into a sort of modern day feudalism where they control all the levers of power. They enrich themselves while eliminating the middle class and making everyone else serfs. The corporate Democrats keep the status quo while the Republicans are the definition of greedy, power hungry psychopaths.
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BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.


People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃

I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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He never sold out. He was trying to hold Elon's feet to the fire by showing Elon to be a hypocrite about Doge's aims. Same as vocally supporting Trump saying he'll cut credit card Apr's to under 10% . They won't do it as it will just be another lie. The Republicans like to grandstand on being fiscal conservatives despite the fact Trump and W ran up the debt more than any President. Go read Bernie's Instagram. He's one of the only politicians speaking out while the rest of the Democrats are conspicuously silent. He has to work within the framework just as he did when running for President. They still colluded against him but he still wields some power as he's not gone so far as to be completely ostracized. Bernie has it correct - it's not left or right, it's class. The question is whether we are going to let the wealthy turn society into a sort of modern day feudalism where they control all the levers of power. They enrich themselves while eliminating the middle class and making everyone else serfs. The corporate Democrats keep the status quo while the Republicans are the definition of greedy, power hungry psychopaths.
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I'm not even sure why Republicans are being brought into this argument since I never mentioned them, but I'll grant the consideration that it was done so as to make a point.

In the same vein, if you've ever concerned yourself with the content of my politcial/economic beliefs, you would've also known that I never held any particularly favourable views of the systhem that strievs to reward the (ùber) wealthy & punish those of little to no means. In other words...."social support for thee, but not you and me!".

That being said, instead of lecturing me on how Bernie did not "sell out", perhaps heed your own advice & hear out overwhelming majority of progressives (including those those who ran his champaign(s)) as to why they share my view. Didn't Bernie fold & fall in line endorsing Biden when it was evident Biden had no business running again!? Why didn't he use his platform to call for the primaries or did I miss that? I am curently unsure of his position on the R.H. 6090 bill, but I also can't claim I heard much in a sense of opposition and why it is vital if one is in favor of free speech. Also, didn't Bernie just vote in favor of Marco Rubios' confirmation!? Should I go on?

I am fully cognizant of great many obstacles established framework poses & why ppl feel compelled to defend Berni. As a once fervid Bernie supporter, I am all too familiar with the lawsuit his campaign filed against DNC & the consequent judge's rulling & I gave him great many passes since. However, at this point, I am not going to pretend that all im hearing from him is nothing more than mere platitudes.

Furthermore, given how rigged our (electoral) system is, I am questioning why not more ppl, instead of expending extraordinary amounts of energy either in-fightign, fighting Republicans/MAGA or even 3rd party voters, forcus/organize around policies/measures that would effectively rectify the systhem.

By the by, I should note that one need not be a Republican to support some of their policies and one also can be someone's supporter but still call out their short comings!

Having said all of the above, it is funny (as in ironic)... here we are arguing the difference(s) even though our convictions overlap by at least 97% . Oh well...


@Nightcap ... not sure how & if the following will be relevant to much of anything but I felt compelled to underscore that many moons ago I posted a link to movetoamend.org in hopes of folks donating their signature for a movement geared towards overturning 2010 Supreme courts decision thus removing corporate money out of politics. There was a grand total of 2 folk who signaled their support of it.
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@Nightcap ... not sure how & if the following will be relevant to much of anything but I felt compelled to underscore that many moons ago I posted a link to movetoamend.org in hopes of folks donating their signature for a movement geared towards overturning 2010 Supreme courts decision thus removing corporate money out of politics. There was a grand total of 2 folk who signaled their support of it.
I was one of them. And if somebody were to do it again, I would sign as soon as I found out about it.
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BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.


People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃

I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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He never sold out. He was trying to hold Elon's feet to the fire by showing Elon to be a hypocrite about Doge's aims. Same as vocally supporting Trump saying he'll cut credit card Apr's to under 10% . They won't do it as it will just be another lie. The Republicans like to grandstand on being fiscal conservatives despite the fact Trump and W ran up the debt more than any President. Go read Bernie's Instagram. He's one of the only politicians speaking out while the rest of the Democrats are conspicuously silent. He has to work within the framework just as he did when running for President. They still colluded against him but he still wields some power as he's not gone so far as to be completely ostracized. Bernie has it correct - it's not left or right, it's class. The question is whether we are going to let the wealthy turn society into a sort of modern day feudalism where they control all the levers of power. They enrich themselves while eliminating the middle class and making everyone else serfs. The corporate Democrats keep the status quo while the Republicans are the definition of greedy, power hungry psychopaths.
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I'm not even sure why Republicans are being brought into this argument since I never mentioned them, but I'll grant the consideration that it was done so as to make a point.
In the same vein, if you've ever concerned yourself with the content of my politcial/economic beliefs, you would've also known that I never held any particularly favourable views of the systhem that strievs to reward the (ùber) wealthy & punish those of little to no means. In other words...."social support for thee, but not you and me!".
That being said, instead of lecturing me on how Bernie did not "sell out", perhaps heed your own advice & hear out overwhelming majority of progressives (including those those who ran his champaign(s)) as to why they share my view. Didn't Bernie fold & fall in line endorsing Biden when it was evident Biden had no business running again!? Why didn't he use his platform to call for the primaries or did I miss that? I am curently unsure of his position on the R.H. 6090 bill, but I also can't claim I heard much in a sense of opposition and why it is vital if one is in favor of free speech. Also, didn't Bernie just vote in favor of Marco Rubios' confirmation!? Should I go on?
I am fully cognizant of great many obstacles established framework poses & why ppl feel compelled to defend Berni. As a once fervid Bernie supporter, I am all too familiar with the lawsuit his campaign filed against DNC & the consequent judge's rulling & I gave him great many passes since. However, at this point, I am not going to pretend that all im hearing from him is nothing more than mere platitudes.
Furthermore, given how rigged our (electoral) system is, I am questioning why not more ppl, instead of expending extraordinary amounts of energy either in-fightign, fighting Republicans/MAGA or even 3rd party voters, forcus/organize around policies/measures that would effectively rectify the systhem.
By the by, I should note that one need not be a Republican to support some of their policies and one also can be someone's supporter but still call out their short comings!
Having said all of the above, it is funny (as in ironic)... here we are arguing the difference(s) even though our convictions overlap by at least 97% . Oh well...
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I didn't say you mentioned Republicans but that's the alternative in a 2 party system. Why wouldn't anyone vote for Biden's corpse over Trump. Progressives don't share your view because context matters when you lack choices. What platitudes? That the system is rigged in favor of the ultra wealthy and their interests to the detriment of everyone else? It is. The electorate can barely comprehend more nuance than that, given that Trump was elected. So that's the message. If that's platitudes then so be it. 'Need not be Republican to support some of their policies.' What policies? They don't have any. Getting rid of DEI as an example. That and affirmative action counterbalanced decades of racist policies where qualified minorities weren't even considered. Somehow they turned that into meaning the opposite..some anecdotal trope about knowing a black guy that isn't good at his job. Nothing like reintroducing racist policies under the guise of merit. Tariffs pass the costs to consumers and enrich favored corporate interests. All this stuff is regressive. Where's the health care or workable job solutions? Wealth inequality? The environment? Inciting culture wars while they and their cronies steal from everyone. We already saw this script last time. Anyone with half a brain should be opposing everything they do if aware of their motives. That's why the rest of the educated world is shaking their heads at us. The long term effects of this will be extreme.
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@Nightcap ... not sure how & if the following will be relevant to much of anything but I felt compelled to underscore that many moons ago I posted a link to movetoamend.org in hopes of folks donating their signature for a movement geared towards overturning 2010 Supreme courts decision thus removing corporate money out of politics. There was a grand total of 2 folk who signaled their support of it.


I was one of them. And if somebody were to do it again, I would sign as soon as I found out about it.
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That you did & I appreciated that greatly!


@Nightcap, so it would appear you insist on arguing for the sake of arguing? OK! I can go toe to toe but apparently not tonight as it took me several attempts to post my earlier comments.
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@Nightcap ... not sure how & if the following will be relevant to much of anything but I felt compelled to underscore that many moons ago I posted a link to movetoamend.org in hopes of folks donating their signature for a movement geared towards overturning 2010 Supreme courts decision thus removing corporate money out of politics. There was a grand total of 2 folk who signaled their support of it.


I was one of them. And if somebody were to do it again, I would sign as soon as I found out about it.
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That you did & I appreciated that greatly!

@Nightcap, so it would appear you insist on arguing for the sake of arguing? OK! I can go toe to toe but apparently not tonight as it took me several attempts to post my earlier comments.
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I'm not arguing. No need to get offended. Just piggybacking on things that have already been said to make my points. I replied to you because I know you. Sorry to have wound you up. We'll give you a chance to recoil in the morning :p
Ahh the USAID "corruption"....

-In Sokoto, Nigeria, toddlers are starving because emergency feeding centers supported by U.S.A.I.D. have run out of the nutrient-rich paste used to save the lives of severely malnourished children. Nearby warehouses have the paste but can’t release it without a waiver from the agency. “Thousands of children can die,” said Erin Boyd, a former U.S.A.I.D. nutrition adviser who told me about the situation there.

-An Ebola outbreak in Uganda has spread to three cities. The Ugandan government has pleaded with medical staff members previously paid by U.S.A.I.D. to continue working.

-More than $ 489 million in food aid has been left in limbo and is now at risk of rotting, the U.S.A.I.D. inspector general warned.

-China has long criticized U.S.A.I.D., and the Chinese internet erupted in cheers at the agency’s demise. That’s because — as Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, observed in 2021 — agencies like U.S.A.I.D. are “strategic instruments to beat China” in a global competition for influence.

-The cutoff is causing some 130,000 women to lose access each day to contraception, according to the Guttmacher Institute (condoms are now in short supply in Zimbabwe). If the aid freeze continues for three months and family-planning access is not restored this year, there will be 4.2 million unintended pregnancies and 8,300 deaths of women in pregnancy and childbirth, the institute estimated.

But someone probably paid too much for a stapler or some inconsequential outlier that the morons can point to as justification. Yes, the scammy grifters are going to save us from corruption! You can't make this stuff up. In 3 weeks, the rest of the world has lost all confidence in the U.S. even close allies like Canada. The dummies seem to revel in the fact that people elsewhere are suffering more than them. Victory! I can't wait for the Pentagon/Military audit. I'll give you the pre-synopsis -> 'The corrupt cronies we like are doing nothing wrong but anyone that opposes our grift must be brought to justice for their waste.'
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Ahh the USAID "corruption"....
-In Sokoto, Nigeria, toddlers are starving because emergency feeding centers supported by U.S.A.I.D. have run out of the nutrient-rich paste used to save the lives of severely malnourished children. Nearby warehouses have the paste but can’t release it without a waiver from the agency. “Thousands of children can die,” said Erin Boyd, a former U.S.A.I.D. nutrition adviser who told me about the situation there.
-An Ebola outbreak in Uganda has spread to three cities. The Ugandan government has pleaded with medical staff members previously paid by U.S.A.I.D. to continue working.
-More than $ 489 million in food aid has been left in limbo and is now at risk of rotting, the U.S.A.I.D. inspector general warned.
-China has long criticized U.S.A.I.D., and the Chinese internet erupted in cheers at the agency’s demise. That’s because — as Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, observed in 2021 — agencies like U.S.A.I.D. are “strategic instruments to beat China” in a global competition for influence.
-The cutoff is causing some 130,000 women to lose access each day to contraception, according to the Guttmacher Institute (condoms are now in short supply in Zimbabwe). If the aid freeze continues for three months and family-planning access is not restored this year, there will be 4.2 million unintended pregnancies and 8,300 deaths of women in pregnancy and childbirth, the institute estimated.
But someone probably paid too much for a stapler or some inconsequential outlier that the morons can point to as justification. Yes, the scammy grifters are going to save us from corruption! You can't make this stuff up. In 3 weeks, the rest of the world has lost all confidence in the U.S. even close allies like Canada. The dummies seem to revel in the fact that people elsewhere are suffering more than them. Victory! I can't wait for the Pentagon/Military audit. I'll give you the pre-synopsis -> 'The corrupt cronies we like are doing nothing wrong but anyone that opposes our grift must be brought to justice for their waste.'
Some people criticizing these programs think that the US shouldn't "fight" for influence, any money helping someone else is money that could be put into domestic programs (which they mostly don't support anyway), and that it's good that others are unsure of what we're doing, even allies.
@Nightcap

Are you trying to be cute with me!? 🤨 You seem to forget (*placements made me do it excuse incoming*) I do have Mercury conjunct Mars in Aqua Sextile Venus in Aries.... werbal sparing is my love language & devils advocate my middle name Crying

Anyhoot...as promised...

I didn't say you mentioned Republicans but that's the alternative in a 2 party system.

Right, the Durverger law! So, am i to understand that what you are saying essentially is ppl should bend over & take it (mostly raw). In other words accept that the way things have been, shall continue (I almost quoted Kamala "unburdained by what has been* ) & there is nothing one can do about it?

Which leads me to the democratic party's persistent & insistent skirting of universal Healthcare issue. Any and every time there is any meaning progress to be made & not so e watered down version of it, democratic leaders act all helpless trying to convince the public how their hands are tied coz Republicans (meanwhile its been dems sabotage all along & for that plz refer to the exhibit John Lieberman... for example) &/or how country isn't ready for it eventhough over 62% of population across the political isles are in favor of it meanwhile, miltary is spending millions for sex change. Can't make that shit up! And before someone tries to come in and accuse me of being transphobic, lemme clarify, for all I care folks can attach their reproductive organs to their foreheads..more power to them. But to pay for it with tax payers money while others are having their life saving medication denied is indeed a cruel and unusual punishment.

While on the subject of Healthcare, didn't Biden adopt & expand Trump's Medicare privatization plan?

Same with tarrifs!? In May of last year he announced tariff hikes on an additional $ 18 billion of Chinese goods, including semiconductors and electric vehicles.

Did he not continue Trumps policy by baking out of Iran nuclear deal? Oh right, I almost forgot, remember back in November last year how he approved use of ATACMS missle system on Russia inching us sooo much closer to a nuclear war which he apperently was just fine and dandy with?

Made childcare cost nearly double the rate of inflation!

Instantaneously shut down rail road workers strike! Need I continue?

wouldn't anyone vote for Biden's corpse over Trump.

Evidently not and plenty of reasons as to why (see above & below argumenst). Now, Im actually glad you phrased your question that way coz it rasies an incredibly sensitive conundrum, given Bidens condition, who really was running the country & should ppl have just turned a blind eye to it as well? How many blind eyes should we turn?

Progressives don't share your view because context matters when you lack choices. What platitudes? That the system is rigged in favor of the ultra wealthy and their interests to the detriment of everyone else? It is.

Funny you should say that too because if my memory serves me well, neither Bernie nor the entire democratic party seem to have had any problems with boasting how much money they were able to raise for the presidental race with the help of all the "good billionaires".

To add insult to the injury, Hakeem Jefrees just went to Silicone valley to "mend relations" with the tech-coons. Speak of calling the cattle black!

The electorate can barely comprehend more nuance than that, given that Trump was elected.

Easy there, bud! Let's not throw stones in glass houses, ya? mighty snooty accusing wast swats of folk of stupidity. Granted, US populace isn't generally known to be the brightest bulb in the box compared to the rest of the world, but when your campaign is clearly signaling to the working class that they don't give rats ass about you, blatantly calling ppl garbage, unedcated... sending Bill Clinton to Michigan to tell arab/Palestinian community, and i am paraphrasing here, "yeah its genocide but suck it up buttercup! We want your offshore oil and it is your fault that you exist! Or having Obama accuse black men of being sexist or Biden saying "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" ... racist, corporate shill that he is with a thin, blue colar veneer has the gall to take black/minority votes for granted.

So that's the message. If that's platitudes then so be it. 'Need not be Republican to support some of their policies.' What policies? They don't have any.

It' seems democratic party had even fewer, unless of curse you count wars (quick sidenote, Zelensky just recently told in the interview with AP he only received 75billion which leaves over 100 billion unaccounted for lol) and genocides and illegal weapons shipments (breaking our own laws in the process nevermid international ones)... expending cop cities... demolishing native lands under the guise of green new deal. Unconstiutional vaccine mandates while the lawmakers profit from passing siad mandates. Sicking FBI on ppl/orginazatios in desperate attempt to curb 1st amendment (see Uhuru 3, Snowden, Assange etc ...Again, need I go on? i'll grant you this thoguh, both parties are equally shity on 1st amendment rights and insider trading. Free speech for as long as they agree with you.🙄

Getting rid of DEI as an example.

In an ideal world things would be merit based. Alas, that is not the reality of the state of these great United States so I get the need for it, but let's look at who benefited from the DEI the most... 80% white women. Nothing against women ...go wiminz powaaa ✊️ , but likewise, let's not pretend that it benefited minorities/ ethnicities to the extend they try to pretend that it did/does.

That and affirmative action counterbalanced decades of racist policies where qualified minorities weren't even considered. Somehow they turned that into meaning the opposite..some anecdotal trope about knowing a black guy that isn't good at his job. Nothing like reintroducing racist policies under the guise of merit.

On the subject of racist policies, remember when our dear Joe referred to state-mandated school integration “the most racist concept you can come up with,”. Or Obama “the first sort of mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean.” Should we just push aside how staunchly opposed he was to “forced busing” and the leading crusader for mass incarceration throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s. Wasnt he integral to witting the 1994 crime bill that had malignant generational efects within black community while funneling nearly $ 13billion in construction of prison facilities. He even went as far describing African-American felons as “predators” too sociopathic to rehabilitate while buddying up with white supremacist senators calling them his friends. And if you think he changed over the decades, please refer to his recent momeoir in which he excitedly reminisce how those policies aged really well.

He didn't even want Kamala as his running mate but went along coz of the preassure from the Obamas and the DNC.

Furthermore, under his Presidency, PPP denied 90% of applications to black owned businesses during the pandemic.

Conversely, Trump signed bartisan First Step Act. Called on congress to pass school choice legislation. Restored and increased funding for historically black collages. I can get behind the proposal of reducing the size/funding of the military. I also wholeheartedly support term limit with some modification(s). Or Matt Gaets single bill proposal. Love him or hate him, one thing cannot be denied is that Trum is delivering to his base. Now, if progressivess could have someone that is not the lowest denominator, it would be mighty nice but one can dream, no?

Tariffs pass the costs to consumers and enrich favored corporate interests.

If we are taking about new 25% tarrifs....wasnt that suspended...at least temporarily?

<>All this stuff is regressive. Where's the health care or workable job solutions? Wealth inequality? The environment? Inciting culture wars while they and their cronies steal from everyone.

Im not disagreeing that it isnt regressive, but if you actually look behind the thin, for working class shroud of the democratic party, you'd see... pot...kettle! They pretend to fight soo hard to grant us mere crumbs but it's all by design.

That's why the rest of the educated world is shaking their heads at us.

Fear not, the world has been laughing at us under both, Trump and Biden equally. But under Biden they also despised us!

In summery, dems/liberals claim Trump created a shit show in his1st term yet are all to happy implementing great deal of sad policies(I don't even list a fraction of them) so yeah, it's a real mystery why so many chose to abandon democratic party. To clarify any misconceptions, Trump didnt win becuse there was some unprecedented turnout of voters in his favor. Dems/indipendant voters ether chose to vote 3rd party or not vote at all. Accusations of voters being sexist is frankly bs coz Killery won popular vote. Occusations of rampant racsm is a anther cope coz Obama. Not to say these things don't exist, of course they do but those use either of those examles to justify the loss is just anther evidence of how far removed from reality democratic establishment really is. In truth, ppl just lost all remeenace of what once was semblence of confidence point blank period. And Bernie endorsed the shit show!

PS.didnt Bernie just vote on Tulsis confirmation (the one person who suspended her dnc co-chair to endorse his ass back in2016) but he voted in favor of Marco Rubio? A mole if there ever was one!

Oh good greif...that turned out to be an essay and here I thought I was soo good in keeping it succinct Crying

Anyway.. back to convalescing 🤧🤒🤕
@argus 👏

I agree with about 90% of what you said.

Historically Democrats are more willing to support or negotiate with Republicans than vice versa. Republicans will oppose any policies proposed by Democrats.

Trump reversed Bidens orders to “Eliminate the Use of Privately Operated Criminal Detention Facilities” which contradicts the First Step Act because it incentivizes keeping people in prison. It was never fully implemented in the first place because it lacks support and funding from Republicans. And I doubt it’s high on the list of priorities now when they’re trying to cut Medicaid and SNAP benefits.

Another thing, about Democrats not giving a rats ass about the working class. Elon is on Twitter right now referring to people as “parasite class”.

There are a couple of other things but it feels really silly to argue when it seems like we mostly want the same things, we just disagree on the path to get there.

Anyway, hope you feel better!
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