Posted by SoulI understand where you’re coming from. People can get consumed by politics and it can fuel anxiety and division. I’m not obsessed with every headline but I do like to stay informed. I was engaged at 20 years old and my fiance went to Iraq and did not come back the same person. He earned a Purple Heart. Wars just don’t start out of nowhere. Policies don’t just affect “other people”. I still focus on my family (you’ll see I mentioned my niece in my OP) and my passions, and what truly matters. I also know that being informed is part of being engaged in the world we live in. Its about balance. I also enjoy debating (Sagittarius mars) and I know that is very draining for a lot of people which is why I kept it out of the comments. If you feel it affect your well being in a negative way, by all means please step away. Your peace of mind matters more than headlines.
I think it's odd how much people focus on politics, and that none of us can change. It's actually quite depressing. All I see around is me people focused on what rich people you will never meet are doing. It's like people are stuck in a perpetual state of sadness and anxiety. I really wish people could look past all that, and focus on themselves and what actually matters in life while they still can. The news and social media is evil by nature imo, and has control over what seems like everyone at this point. Everyone today thinks they need, and even lives by a warped political opinion that was made by corrupt politicians. People care more about their meaningless political alliance then almost everything else at this point. I find it such a sad way to spend ones time here. People could be spending time with family, friends, developing to talents, or just enjoying hobbies and experiences. Instead everyone is too focused on what Elon and Trump are doing. Fuck those guys.
Posted by ArgusI think I also saw Dept of Defense which I’m interested in. But are we actually going to see anything? I still don’t understand how these saved funds are going to be reallocated. I’ve not seen anything about this money going back to taxpayers even though they keep saying “this isn’t how taxpayers want their money spent”. So it’s just going to be reabsorbed back into the federal budget for what exactly?
I can't comment much on USAID because, in the spirit of full disclosure, I do not possess enough information to cast an opinion. That being said, it appears Trump just recently announced that Pentagon will be next to which I give my wholehearted blessings seeing how trillions of dollars have vanished (unaccounted for) year after year yet congress kept inreasing their budget far beyond of what was quested. What gives?
Posted by neveHe got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol
Posted by StardustmoppedAll valid questions, answers to which I wish I had. I am highly skeptical of all our elected as well as unelected officials (got really jaded after Bernie's loss & now I feel even he sold out) but that's unfortunately neither here nor there. What I have learned over the years is that Trump has an uncanny ability to (unwittingly) slip bits and pieces of truth here & there aaaand contradict himself...all at the same time lolPosted by Argus
I can't comment much on USAID because, in the spirit of full disclosure, I do not possess enough information to cast an opinion. That being said, it appears Trump just recently announced that Pentagon will be next to which I give my wholehearted blessings seeing how trillions of dollars have vanished (unaccounted for) year after year yet congress kept inreasing their budget far beyond of what was quested. What gives?
I think I also saw Dept of Defense which I’m interested in. But are we actually going to see anything? I still don’t understand how these saved funds are going to be reallocated. I’ve not seen anything about this money going back to taxpayers even though they keep saying “this isn’t how taxpayers want their money spent”. So it’s just going to be reabsorbed back into the federal budget for what exactly?
The tariffs were supposed to lower the federal deficit so it’s not for that? Or is it? Unclear.
Just saying “we’ll use your tax dollars more efficiently” is not an answer.
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Posted by SoloPeople fell for lies.
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
Posted by Astrobynhttps://www.usaspending.gov/agency/agency-for-international-development?fy=2025
If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.
For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.
If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?
We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.
We need transparency, and we need accountability.
I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.
Posted by SoloSTFU nobody wants to talk to you.Posted by Astrobyn
If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.
For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.
If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?
We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.
We need transparency, and we need accountability.
I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.
https://www.usaspending.gov/agency/agency-for-international-development?fy=2025
or are you not gonna believe this because it's "from the gubmint"click to expand
Posted by StardustmoppedLet's be clear here. There are NO ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE IN A GOVERNMENT. THEY ARE ALL ESTABLISHMENT BY NATURE. What people like Bernie Sanders are, are people who want more accountability and reform for the general people AS IT SHOULD BE. He's literally trying to do the job that he signed up for, working for the people. He's STILL establishment. And YES, Trump supporters DO think that he's ANTI-establishment which is fucking HILARIOUS. This dude had or has a fucking gold apartment and is a purported Billionaire and they think he's exactly like them and hates the government because he eats McDonald's and talks shit about the government EVEN THOUGH HE'S THE FUCKIN' HEAD OF STATE LOL. They think that's big brain, not just making us look like fucking fools on the international stage.Posted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃
I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.click to expand
Posted by AstrobynSo you're not gonna. GodditttttttPosted by SoloPosted by Astrobyn
If agencies like USAID are the first to be dismantled, I have no complaints.
For too long, these organizations—alongside the CIA and various NGOs—have been vehicles for meddling, interference, and outright exploitation, all in service of Western business interests. This isn’t aid; it’s manipulation.
If we want to talk about immigration issues, we need to start with the root cause: these shadow operations destabilizing other countries. Look at Venezuela—why are CIA agents and high-ranking military officials getting caught up in election schemes? Who’s been pulling the strings on their economy, pushing it into hyperinflation and forcing people into desperate migration?
We deserve answers. Did taxpayer money fund Chelsea Clinton’s mansion through USAID? What kind of influence-peddling is really happening? It’s not just about the dollars spent—it’s about the power being traded and the corruption being spread.
We need transparency, and we need accountability.
I trust Elon as much as I trust any other person seeking power, including anyone at DNC or the RNC. But I will be happy to use one, to dismantle the other.
https://www.usaspending.gov/agency/agency-for-international-development?fy=2025
or are you not gonna believe this because it's "from the gubmint"
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STFU nobody wants to talk to you.click to expand
Posted by SoloIt's been quite a while I read the article so it may take time for me to locate it but here is another one that purports the earlier estimate.
@Argus can you source the 60% of manufacturing? can't find that
Posted by StardustmoppedDo you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people bannedPosted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol
He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”click to expand
Posted by ArgusThankya thankya. Much appreciated.Posted by Solo
@Argus can you source the 60% of manufacturing? can't find that
It's been quite a while I read the article so it may take time for me to locate it but here is another one that purports the earlier estimate.
https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/you-go-to-war-with-the-industrial-base-you-have-not-the-industrial-base-you-want/
If you cant be bothered reading the whole article, scroll down to just above the 2nd image
The long process of de-industrialization in the country and the development of global supply chains has allowed for the movement of more labor-intensive manufacturing jobs overseas while keeping, to a degree, finished goods manufacturing. The clearest example is the decline of manufacturing employment from 34 percent of all U.S. jobs in 1950 to roughly 9 percent today. This is reflected across the board in other key areas like forging (lost half of all businesses since 2002), foundries (lost half of businesses since 1984), or machine tools (28 percent of global market share in 1968 to 5 percent in 2019).click to expand
Posted by StardustmoppedI guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!Posted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃
I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.click to expand
Posted by ArgusOkay. I thought I remembered you posting a video or maybe just an article about Bernie’s criticisms of the Democratic Party so I might have misunderstood you to be a Bernie fan.Posted by StardustmoppedPosted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃
I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!click to expand
Posted by SoloWhat is itPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol
He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people bannedclick to expand
Posted by SoloWhat is itPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol
He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people bannedclick to expand
Posted by StardustmoppedOh no lol you understood correctly that I used to be Bernie supporter... operative word... user to. I since moved onPosted by ArgusPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃
I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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Okay. I thought I remembered you posting a video or maybe just an article about Bernie’s criticisms of the Democratic Party so I might have misunderstood you to be a Bernie fan.click to expand
Posted by Stardustmoppedjust tweeting out the word cisgender. I wonder if that's true or not, never bothered to try to fact check itPosted by SoloPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol
He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
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Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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Posted by SoloI tweeted it but I didn’t leave it up for long.Posted by StardustmoppedPosted by SoloPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol
He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
click to expand
Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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What is it
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just tweeting out the word cisgender. I wonder if that's true or not, never bothered to try to fact check itclick to expand
Posted by StardustmoppedSounds like some snowflake shit. They can't deal with consequences lmao.Posted by SoloPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by SoloPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by neve
I don't know about politics, and frankly, i don't care anymore...but can't help to wonder what kind of ridiculous features will be added to this site if Elon owns Dxpnet? Lol
He got a subreddit banned lol. So much for “free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy”
click to expand
Do you have a twitter account or know anyone that does that doesn't care about it? I'm curious about something that's said to get people banned
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What is it
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just tweeting out the word cisgender. I wonder if that's true or not, never bothered to try to fact check it
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I tweeted it but I didn’t leave it up for long.
On another note though they are on Twitter and other social media trying to lay the guilt trips already. It’s not even been a month lol. “Why are we letting politics divide us?”. *air wank*
Please. My mom is Catholic. I was forged in the fires of guilt. I am immune.click to expand
Posted by ArgusHe never sold out. He was trying to hold Elon's feet to the fire by showing Elon to be a hypocrite about Doge's aims. Same as vocally supporting Trump saying he'll cut credit card Apr's to under 10% . They won't do it as it will just be another lie. The Republicans like to grandstand on being fiscal conservatives despite the fact Trump and W ran up the debt more than any President. Go read Bernie's Instagram. He's one of the only politicians speaking out while the rest of the Democrats are conspicuously silent. He has to work within the framework just as he did when running for President. They still colluded against him but he still wields some power as he's not gone so far as to be completely ostracized. Bernie has it correct - it's not left or right, it's class. The question is whether we are going to let the wealthy turn society into a sort of modern day feudalism where they control all the levers of power. They enrich themselves while eliminating the middle class and making everyone else serfs. The corporate Democrats keep the status quo while the Republicans are the definition of greedy, power hungry psychopaths.Posted by StardustmoppedPosted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃
I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!click to expand
Posted by Nightcap-I'm not even sure why Republicans are being brought into this argument since I never mentioned them, but I'll grant the consideration that it was done so as to make a point.Posted by ArgusPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃
I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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He never sold out. He was trying to hold Elon's feet to the fire by showing Elon to be a hypocrite about Doge's aims. Same as vocally supporting Trump saying he'll cut credit card Apr's to under 10% . They won't do it as it will just be another lie. The Republicans like to grandstand on being fiscal conservatives despite the fact Trump and W ran up the debt more than any President. Go read Bernie's Instagram. He's one of the only politicians speaking out while the rest of the Democrats are conspicuously silent. He has to work within the framework just as he did when running for President. They still colluded against him but he still wields some power as he's not gone so far as to be completely ostracized. Bernie has it correct - it's not left or right, it's class. The question is whether we are going to let the wealthy turn society into a sort of modern day feudalism where they control all the levers of power. They enrich themselves while eliminating the middle class and making everyone else serfs. The corporate Democrats keep the status quo while the Republicans are the definition of greedy, power hungry psychopaths.click to expand
Posted by ArgusI was one of them. And if somebody were to do it again, I would sign as soon as I found out about it.
@Nightcap ... not sure how & if the following will be relevant to much of anything but I felt compelled to underscore that many moons ago I posted a link to movetoamend.org in hopes of folks donating their signature for a movement geared towards overturning 2010 Supreme courts decision thus removing corporate money out of politics. There was a grand total of 2 folk who signaled their support of it.
Posted by ArgusI didn't say you mentioned Republicans but that's the alternative in a 2 party system. Why wouldn't anyone vote for Biden's corpse over Trump. Progressives don't share your view because context matters when you lack choices. What platitudes? That the system is rigged in favor of the ultra wealthy and their interests to the detriment of everyone else? It is. The electorate can barely comprehend more nuance than that, given that Trump was elected. So that's the message. If that's platitudes then so be it. 'Need not be Republican to support some of their policies.' What policies? They don't have any. Getting rid of DEI as an example. That and affirmative action counterbalanced decades of racist policies where qualified minorities weren't even considered. Somehow they turned that into meaning the opposite..some anecdotal trope about knowing a black guy that isn't good at his job. Nothing like reintroducing racist policies under the guise of merit. Tariffs pass the costs to consumers and enrich favored corporate interests. All this stuff is regressive. Where's the health care or workable job solutions? Wealth inequality? The environment? Inciting culture wars while they and their cronies steal from everyone. We already saw this script last time. Anyone with half a brain should be opposing everything they do if aware of their motives. That's why the rest of the educated world is shaking their heads at us. The long term effects of this will be extreme.Posted by Nightcap-Posted by ArgusPosted by StardustmoppedPosted by Solo
BTW FUCK BERNIE FOR THAT SHIT. I was so disappointed when he went along with the DOGE shit.
Another thing, why are people saying the temp DOGE "agency" is the same as the USDS? It's not. Those are very different things.
People fell for lies.
I was with another Trump supporter friend last night. He said “I don’t know if the Republican Party will recover from this”.
The Trump supporters online act like they’re not regretful or too proud to admit it, but they are. Even if it’s just quietly to their friends and family.
Another thing I learned or kind of confirmed what I’ve seen/thought. The Trump Republicans really see themselves as anti-establishment lol. That’s how Trump positioned himself to appeal to them. I understand why Democrats are not considered anti establishment anymore. They lack a backbone and instead of pushing for bold progressive solutions, they just compromise and adopt the moderate or conservative leaning policies to avoid backlash and uphold or even expand Republican led policies. But I find it interesting that they think Trump is lol. I saw through that persona before he was even elected the last time. Bernie, who is actually anti establishment even fell for it. And now I’m getting a clearer picture of how/why other people did. Joe Rogan and Elon are/were also big anti establishment. I disagree with Argus that Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elon. He realized what was happening.
Do you know who also pretended to be anti establishment to create a new authoritarian establishment? 🙃🙃🙃
I’m looking forward to watching the History channel when I’m an old lady to see this all laid out.
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I guess I should've clarified my position in that I don't think Bernie sold out by changing his mind on Elona. I think he sold out period. Observing the progression of his movement since 2016 its like, he just fell in line like a good boy after "much ado about nothing". I can appreciate his affords, thogh, at this point, I honestly feel it's all for the show. I'm not saying he isn't genuine in his believes ... but I'm sure you get where I'm going with this. Granted, he is old(er) & I don't know how much fight is left in him, so I'll give him that!
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He never sold out. He was trying to hold Elon's feet to the fire by showing Elon to be a hypocrite about Doge's aims. Same as vocally supporting Trump saying he'll cut credit card Apr's to under 10% . They won't do it as it will just be another lie. The Republicans like to grandstand on being fiscal conservatives despite the fact Trump and W ran up the debt more than any President. Go read Bernie's Instagram. He's one of the only politicians speaking out while the rest of the Democrats are conspicuously silent. He has to work within the framework just as he did when running for President. They still colluded against him but he still wields some power as he's not gone so far as to be completely ostracized. Bernie has it correct - it's not left or right, it's class. The question is whether we are going to let the wealthy turn society into a sort of modern day feudalism where they control all the levers of power. They enrich themselves while eliminating the middle class and making everyone else serfs. The corporate Democrats keep the status quo while the Republicans are the definition of greedy, power hungry psychopaths.
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I'm not even sure why Republicans are being brought into this argument since I never mentioned them, but I'll grant the consideration that it was done so as to make a point.
In the same vein, if you've ever concerned yourself with the content of my politcial/economic beliefs, you would've also known that I never held any particularly favourable views of the systhem that strievs to reward the (ùber) wealthy & punish those of little to no means. In other words...."social support for thee, but not you and me!".
That being said, instead of lecturing me on how Bernie did not "sell out", perhaps heed your own advice & hear out overwhelming majority of progressives (including those those who ran his champaign(s)) as to why they share my view. Didn't Bernie fold & fall in line endorsing Biden when it was evident Biden had no business running again!? Why didn't he use his platform to call for the primaries or did I miss that? I am curently unsure of his position on the R.H. 6090 bill, but I also can't claim I heard much in a sense of opposition and why it is vital if one is in favor of free speech. Also, didn't Bernie just vote in favor of Marco Rubios' confirmation!? Should I go on?
I am fully cognizant of great many obstacles established framework poses & why ppl feel compelled to defend Berni. As a once fervid Bernie supporter, I am all too familiar with the lawsuit his campaign filed against DNC & the consequent judge's rulling & I gave him great many passes since. However, at this point, I am not going to pretend that all im hearing from him is nothing more than mere platitudes.
Furthermore, given how rigged our (electoral) system is, I am questioning why not more ppl, instead of expending extraordinary amounts of energy either in-fightign, fighting Republicans/MAGA or even 3rd party voters, forcus/organize around policies/measures that would effectively rectify the systhem.
By the by, I should note that one need not be a Republican to support some of their policies and one also can be someone's supporter but still call out their short comings!
Having said all of the above, it is funny (as in ironic)... here we are arguing the difference(s) even though our convictions overlap by at least 97% . Oh well...click to expand
Posted by WarAngel79That you did & I appreciated that greatly!Posted by Argus
@Nightcap ... not sure how & if the following will be relevant to much of anything but I felt compelled to underscore that many moons ago I posted a link to movetoamend.org in hopes of folks donating their signature for a movement geared towards overturning 2010 Supreme courts decision thus removing corporate money out of politics. There was a grand total of 2 folk who signaled their support of it.
I was one of them. And if somebody were to do it again, I would sign as soon as I found out about it.click to expand
Posted by ArgusI'm not arguing. No need to get offended. Just piggybacking on things that have already been said to make my points. I replied to you because I know you. Sorry to have wound you up. We'll give you a chance to recoil in the morning :pPosted by WarAngel79Posted by Argus
@Nightcap ... not sure how & if the following will be relevant to much of anything but I felt compelled to underscore that many moons ago I posted a link to movetoamend.org in hopes of folks donating their signature for a movement geared towards overturning 2010 Supreme courts decision thus removing corporate money out of politics. There was a grand total of 2 folk who signaled their support of it.
I was one of them. And if somebody were to do it again, I would sign as soon as I found out about it.
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That you did & I appreciated that greatly!
@Nightcap, so it would appear you insist on arguing for the sake of arguing? OK! I can go toe to toe but apparently not tonight as it took me several attempts to post my earlier comments.click to expand
Posted by Nightcap-Some people criticizing these programs think that the US shouldn't "fight" for influence, any money helping someone else is money that could be put into domestic programs (which they mostly don't support anyway), and that it's good that others are unsure of what we're doing, even allies.
Ahh the USAID "corruption"....
-In Sokoto, Nigeria, toddlers are starving because emergency feeding centers supported by U.S.A.I.D. have run out of the nutrient-rich paste used to save the lives of severely malnourished children. Nearby warehouses have the paste but can’t release it without a waiver from the agency. “Thousands of children can die,” said Erin Boyd, a former U.S.A.I.D. nutrition adviser who told me about the situation there.
-An Ebola outbreak in Uganda has spread to three cities. The Ugandan government has pleaded with medical staff members previously paid by U.S.A.I.D. to continue working.
-More than $ 489 million in food aid has been left in limbo and is now at risk of rotting, the U.S.A.I.D. inspector general warned.
-China has long criticized U.S.A.I.D., and the Chinese internet erupted in cheers at the agency’s demise. That’s because — as Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, observed in 2021 — agencies like U.S.A.I.D. are “strategic instruments to beat China” in a global competition for influence.
-The cutoff is causing some 130,000 women to lose access each day to contraception, according to the Guttmacher Institute (condoms are now in short supply in Zimbabwe). If the aid freeze continues for three months and family-planning access is not restored this year, there will be 4.2 million unintended pregnancies and 8,300 deaths of women in pregnancy and childbirth, the institute estimated.
But someone probably paid too much for a stapler or some inconsequential outlier that the morons can point to as justification. Yes, the scammy grifters are going to save us from corruption! You can't make this stuff up. In 3 weeks, the rest of the world has lost all confidence in the U.S. even close allies like Canada. The dummies seem to revel in the fact that people elsewhere are suffering more than them. Victory! I can't wait for the Pentagon/Military audit. I'll give you the pre-synopsis -> 'The corrupt cronies we like are doing nothing wrong but anyone that opposes our grift must be brought to justice for their waste.'