Opinions on cosmetic surgery and Asian beauty

This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by bittersweetLemon on Sunday, March 9, 2014 and has 34 replies.
Sooo...coming to dxp back after a long break. Some of you might remember me as a Mongolian/Aqua.
Thought dxp would be a good place to discuss this stuff, I tried to sign up to some other internet forums, but they were temporarily unavailable or s.thing.
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What I have observed from this interview is Westerns have no idea what Asian beauty is, and when an asian woman gets surgery they think they want to look caucasian, which is pretty funny. Just curious to see people's opinion on this.

Posted by DonJohnson
it's pro west propaganda. plain and simple. there's no sound logic behind it.

they say the same thing for nose surgeries. when an asian person gets a nose job, then they are trying to look white. actually the nose they get are dainty and small, but just narrow. not like typical caucasian noses which is not what asian girls get.

since when did white people get monopoly over thin/straight noses anyway? it's ridiculous. plenty of Asian people with straight noses.

Same thing with double eyelids, vast majority of Asians have double eyelids.

So every time a white person gets lipo-suction they are trying to look Asian? Since the majority of Asian women are skinny. should Asian people claim monopoly over svelte figures?

or how about white people that straighten their hair?

it is in the western narrative that they must be the stereotype of everything beautiful while the other races are recognized for their flaws. ridiculous.


Yes, when a black woman straighten her hair she wants to be white even though there are other races with straight hair, when an asian gets eyelid surgery she wants to be white even though there are other races with big eyes. And what about white people dying their hair jet black, tanning, etc.? Tyra is being totally bitchy, phony and ignorant here.
what does it matter to you if Asians do that or black women do that? Beauty is beauty.
Unfortunately for alot of people, they are not born with features that would be an example of "beauty"
--if they have a flat nose == get surgery to get it higher.
--if they have grey hairs early in their 20s -- dye it to cover
--if they are going bald in their teens -- get a hair transplant
-- if they have flat lips - get them pumped.
-- hair weaves? all the day long at the hair salon perhaps....or get it cheap at the beauty hair store.
--- makeup products from Lancome to Maybelline are making a killing.....
Posted by DonJohnson
it's pro west propaganda. plain and simple. there's no sound logic behind it.
they say the same thing for nose surgeries. when an asian person gets a nose job, then they are trying to look white. actually the nose they get are dainty and small, but just narrow. not like typical caucasian noses which is not what asian girls get.
since when did white people get monopoly over thin/straight noses anyway? it's ridiculous. plenty of Asian people with straight noses.
Same thing with double eyelids, vast majority of Asians have double eyelids.
So every time a white person gets lipo-suction they are trying to look Asian? Since the majority of Asian women are skinny. should Asian people claim monopoly over svelte figures?
or how about white people that straighten their hair?

it is in the western narrative that they must be the stereotype of everything beautiful while the other races are recognized for their flaws. ridiculous.


+100
i so agree. Lots of beautiful women in every culture. They don't even NEED enhancers or need EXTRAS: surgery ect. *shrug* It is how it is.
Tyra's like "NO,I'm right. You WANT to be white". She almost raped that asian girl lol. No you want it, I know lol.
Posted by lisabethur8
what does it matter to you if Asians do that or black women do that? Beauty is beauty.
Unfortunately for alot of people, they are not born with features that would be an example of "beauty"
--if they have a flat nose == get surgery to get it higher.
--if they have grey hairs early in their 20s -- dye it to cover
--if they are going bald in their teens -- get a hair transplant
-- if they have flat lips - get them pumped.
-- hair weaves? all the day long at the hair salon perhaps....or get it cheap at the beauty hair store.
--- makeup products from Lancome to Maybelline are making a killing.....



you watch the interview by Tyra? She forced that Asian girl to believe that she wants to look white because she had double eye-lid surgery, and then she said she wants to look white, couldn't have succeeded with her natural African hair etc... and I'm pointing out that was ridiculious.
and she forgot to mention that white women also gets cosmetic surgery.
Posted by DonJohnson
Lisa with the open mind.

I just don't get it. Why is double eye-lids a white thing? Don't middle easterners have them too? Latinos? Blacks? Indians?

White media just want to monopolize everything that has to do with beauty. this is so blatantly ridiculous it can only appear on a day time talk show with that minstrel Tyra. Any critical thinker would be able to see through that BS.

Double eye-lids = white
High nose = white. let's pretend 1.3 billion Indians don't exist.


LOL


^^Exactly.
Posted by bittersweetLemon
Posted by lisabethur8
what does it matter to you if Asians do that or black women do that? Beauty is beauty.
Unfortunately for alot of people, they are not born with features that would be an example of "beauty"
--if they have a flat nose == get surgery to get it higher.
--if they have grey hairs early in their 20s -- dye it to cover
--if they are going bald in their teens -- get a hair transplant
-- if they have flat lips - get them pumped.
-- hair weaves? all the day long at the hair salon perhaps....or get it cheap at the beauty hair store.
--- makeup products from Lancome to Maybelline are making a killing.....



you watch the interview by Tyra? She forced that Asian girl to believe that she wants to look white because she had double eye-lid surgery, and then she said she wants to look white, couldn't have succeeded with her natural African hair etc... and I'm pointing out that was ridiculious.
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I dont really watch Tyra shows. But Tyra IS the boss in that show isn't she?? and she has the monopoly on BEAUTY. the producers or the higher ups didn't put her in that position so she can fiddle with her lower lip and be cross-eyed and giggle. She's there to to show them, bitch at, and put her foot down. So yeah LISTEN to that woman --- if she says what she says is good for that gal.... you better believe it, she is doing that woman a favour. lmao
Posted by DonJohnson
That Asian girl should've looked that minstrel right in her face and said, "I know your hair ain't straight. You trying to look Asian?"

Asian people have aspergers. they get stage fright.


or she just should have said to Tyra, "Yes, you want to look white and we know that" lol.
@lisa,
Nahh, I'm not listening her. I just kinda liked her ANTM show, and then discovered this.
Posted by bittersweetLemon
Posted by DonJohnson
That Asian girl should've looked that minstrel right in her face and said, "I know your hair ain't straight. You trying to look Asian?"
Asian people have aspergers. they get stage fright.


or she just should have said to Tyra, "Yes, you want to look white and we know that" lol.
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you got me curious what she looks like that she wants to look white. Tongue
meh.... i got over this when i saw some of my aunts in the past get liposurgery and face-lifts, lip enhancers.... i don't care either way. It made them really happy temporarily.
@DJ,
ah yeah she has a bigger boss. Winking
Posted by lisabethur8
Posted by bittersweetLemon
Posted by DonJohnson
That Asian girl should've looked that minstrel right in her face and said, "I know your hair ain't straight. You trying to look Asian?"
Asian people have aspergers. they get stage fright.


or she just should have said to Tyra, "Yes, you want to look white and we know that" lol.


you got me curious what she looks like that she wants to look white. Tongue
meh.... i got over this when i saw some of my aunts in the past get liposurgery and face-lifts, lip enhancers.... i don't care either way. It made them really happy temporarily.
@DJ,
ah yeah she has a bigger boss. Winking
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?
"you got me curious what she looks like that she wants to look white." - sorry, I don't get what you mean by this. She(tyra) said it herself.
when she was explaining that hair weaves thing...
No idea. only yesterday I noticed that she has a talk show. And she had this "white guys getting married to asian women" topic on her show,too. It makes me wonder why she's so much into asians lol.
Posted by aquavita
btw: the biggest hype right now in asia is getting the "triangle chin". i myself find asian people to be attractive, very.


I second that notion.
I date a viet girl as we speak.
Always been weak for long flowing dark hair but for w/e reason never connected the fact that all asian women have long dark hair ^.^
...well unless they get a boycut or something.
Posted by DonJohnson
it's all talking points for racial tension.

that is always the media troll angle....create racial tension between the different races. create sex tension in the family between the husband and the wife. create religious tension between christians, muslims and atheists.

that is all they do 24/7. none of this bs even matters. you just fill yourself with bullcrap and hatred.


That is all it really is and its sad.
If a woman is raised (upbringing) to be self confident, self love, self respect with what she was born with, no alterations, slicing/dicing would be needed.
Anyone who alters their true self should really get their heads examined to find out WHY.
Posted by bittersweetLemon
you watch the interview by Tyra? She forced that Asian girl to believe that she wants to look white because she had double eye-lid surgery, and then she said she wants to look white, couldn't have succeeded with her natural African hair etc... and I'm pointing out that was ridiculious.


I despise Tyra Banks--


I think she's unnecessarily cruel, and a lousy excuse for a human being.
Aside from being a hypocrite, of course. Big Grin
Posted by DonJohnson
it's all talking points for racial tension.

that is always the media troll angle....create racial tension between the different races. create sex tension in the family between the husband and the wife. create religious tension between christians, muslims and atheists.

that is all they do 24/7. none of this bs even matters. you just fill yourself with bullcrap and hatred.


oh yes definitely spot on.
it's the same with astrology. Who is the most eligible bachelors of the zodiac? the best? the most exotic? the hottest? the most emotional and the most loving.
Posted by LetltB
If a woman is raised (upbringing) to be self confident, self love, self respect with what she was born with, no alterations, slicing/dicing would be needed.
Anyone who alters their true self should really get their heads examined to find out WHY.


i get you, LIB
but there's alot of women out there who aren't "naturally" beautiful, so they feel they have to "one up" other women so they can get men.
in the end, it's inner confidence. And that's hard to "buy" ...and well you can't buy it.
Posted by Prince_Pisces
Who cares. I think the real question is why this E.T. looking weirdo still has a talk show LOL!



You got it.
Posted by DonJohnson
Posted by LetltB
If a woman is raised (upbringing) to be self confident, self love, self respect with what she was born with, no alterations, slicing/dicing would be needed.
Anyone who alters their true self should really get their heads examined to find out WHY.


naw i wouldn't go as far as to say it's a psychological glitch. that is way too extreme.
that very mentality leads to unbathed hippies lying on the streets in broad daylight. i just wanna be me! accept me for me! it's a lazy failure's cry of acceptance.
it's okay to be a little insecure. a girl could be a 7 with a completely flat chest. gets a boob job, her world changes. all of a sudden she's dating in a higher social circle. closing more deals. making more money. she's also having better sex because she's more self confident in her nudity.
there's 0 psychological disorder with someone like that. it was a logically sound investment.
it is what it is.
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Omg so true. lmao!!! they get to the point of "FUCK IT! Screw you world! I don't care if i'm huge and on the border of seriously failing in my health or that i don't wash my hair and look lustrious and gorgeous like those models on the cover of the mag! I don't have the money to even go to the salon! Screw it! i'm gonna just let it all hang out and be a hippy!" lmao
Chris Rock used to do a riff about phonies and liars. He had a girlfriend before he go married, he was out with the fellas, he told her he was at work. Of course, she called him a liar, etc, etc.
So, he went with (imagine Chris Rock's voice): "I'm a liar? Shee-itt, everything's a lie about women! Push up bras, make up, nylons, plastic surgeries of every form and fashion, hairdos and hair coloring and hair straightening and tanning and liposuction and airbrushing, they even got a rubber sock to hold the fat in so's ever'body don't see how FAT you are!", he named about 50 ways change themselves to make themselves more "attractive". "Everything about YOU is phoney. And then, bein' so phoney, they lace into other women for being other kinds of phoney than THEY are! Women are the biggest liars ever, and YOU gonna call ME a liar??? Sheee-itt!"
He's right, if unkind, I guess. Pity is, the greatest pressure for all the "lies" comes from Cosmo and that ilk, the ads and the rest. Shee-Itt! The women in those ADS don't look like the women in those ads. I never cared for the raccoon-eyes and excess makeup thing. My gal is my gal, no excess accoutrements necessary. While I don't hang out with obese women, I don't date wasted, skinny, finicky-at-the-table womenfolk, either. It ain't healthy. And the endless pressure put on our women is kinda gross. They even have our women worried they don't smell like chemical strawberries "down there". They REALLY pissed me off with that one.
Ah well, I'm only one guy. How yall doin, everyone having a good weekend? smile
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Posted by here4yoo
Chris Rock used to do a riff about phonies and liars. He had a girlfriend before he go married, he was out with the fellas, he told her he was at work. Of course, she called him a liar, etc, etc.
So, he went with (imagine Chris Rock's voice): "I'm a liar? Shee-itt, everything's a lie about women! Push up bras, make up, nylons, plastic surgeries of every form and fashion, hairdos and hair coloring and hair straightening and tanning and liposuction and airbrushing, they even got a rubber sock to hold the fat in so's ever'body don't see how FAT you are!", he named about 50 ways change themselves to make themselves more "attractive". "Everything about YOU is phoney. And then, bein' so phoney, they lace into other women for being other kinds of phoney than THEY are! Women are the biggest liars ever, and YOU gonna call ME a liar??? Sheee-itt!"
He's right, if unkind, I guess. Pity is, the greatest pressure for all the "lies" comes from Cosmo and that ilk, the ads and the rest. Shee-Itt! The women in those ADS don't look like the women in those ads. I never cared for the raccoon-eyes and excess makeup thing. My gal is my gal, no excess accoutrements necessary. While I don't hang out with obese women, I don't date wasted, skinny, finicky-at-the-table womenfolk, either. It ain't healthy. And the endless pressure put on our women is kinda gross. They even have our women worried they don't smell like chemical strawberries "down there". They REALLY pissed me off with that one.
Ah well, I'm only one guy. How yall doin, everyone having a good weekend? smile


Chris Rock is just having fun and joking about. He would still go for women who take care of themselves and pretty up.
Posted by DonJohnson
Posted by LetltB
If a woman is raised (upbringing) to be self confident, self love, self respect with what she was born with, no alterations, slicing/dicing would be needed.
Anyone who alters their true self should really get their heads examined to find out WHY.



naw i wouldn't go as far as to say it's a psychological glitch. that is way too extreme.

that very mentality leads to unbathed hippies lying on the streets in broad daylight. i just wanna be me! accept me for me! it's a lazy failure's cry of acceptance.

it's okay to be a little insecure. a girl could be a 7 with a completely flat chest. gets a boob job, her world changes. all of a sudden she's dating in a higher social circle. closing more deals. making more money. she's also having better sex because she's more self confident in her nudity.
there's 0 psychological disorder with someone like that. it was a logically sound investment.
it is what it is.
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Yep, I agree. A little insecurity is ok, it is even healthy if one knows how to handle it. I mean if one knows how to use that emotion as a motivation to get better.
Posted by Montgomery
Posted by bittersweetLemon
you watch the interview by Tyra? She forced that Asian girl to believe that she wants to look white because she had double eye-lid surgery, and then she said she wants to look white, couldn't have succeeded with her natural African hair etc... and I'm pointing out that was ridiculious.


I despise Tyra Banks--


I think she's unnecessarily cruel, and a lousy excuse for a human being.
Aside from being a hypocrite, of course. Big Grin
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Ah,I felt the same after I discovered/watched this talk show of her. I used to have a pretty good impression of her, when I was a teenager lol I used to watch ANTM. Didn't see any of Tyra's show since my teenage years though.
Being Asian American I'd have to say that, and this opinion I feel is only relevant to Asian Americans, is that there is a very strong pressure from the media to assimilate into the ideal western beauty. Similar to how most women feel pressured to be thin and look a certain way I feel this is even more heightened for any ethnic woman living in America.
If you look at all the magazines, tv shows... anything associated with women and "beauty" it is always portrayed by caucasian women. AND if there are any women of color they are very caucasian "like"... very rarely do you see a woman that is extremely dark or too ethnic looking. Even the Asian women portrayed either have perfect straight European noses or large doe eyes. This is not an accurate portrayal of real Asian beauty. I think what makes us Asian women beautiful is or double-lid almond shaped eyes and our small button noses. And no matter the color I think they are all beautiful.
But it is a real pressure that ethnic women feel because of the under representation in American media and culture.
The whole Asian angle on this in America is just silly when you take into consideration the cut throat competition for jobs and professionalism in places such as "Hong Kong" and "Shang Hai" are so over the top compared to America. These places the society literally is encouraging and nurturing young women to be as thin and shapely as inhumanly possible amongst many other beauty enhancements and/or cosmetic surgeries just so they can land a job for christ sake.... This topic in the context of America is just laughable, period.
Posted by NotYourAverageAquarius
The whole Asian angle on this in America is just silly when you take into consideration the cut throat competition for jobs and professionalism in places such as "Hong Kong" and "Shang Hai" are so over the top compared to America. These places the society literally is encouraging and nurturing young women to be as thin and shapely as inhumanly possible amongst many other beauty enhancements and/or cosmetic surgeries just so they can land a job for christ sake.... This topic in the context of America is just laughable, period.


Well in that frame of thinking it's just laughable in ALL cases. There are people starving around the world and all anyone can think about is the way someone looks *smh*
This doesn't really affect me as much as it might seem. I just wanted to think about something I never really thought about, it's good to think about things, and that was the best answer I could come up with. I was not born in South East Asia nor have I ever been there so I could not really ever speak for those women. But she did ask for my opinion and my opinion is based on my experience. Thats all.
Sounds like you hold a lot of resentment to to US GC based off of your story... but I don't know you so I could't say for sure. I don't take offense to you hating America (if you do and even if you just don't agree or like it)
But.
To generalize that American women are fake is really offensive. I am an American woman and I am proud to be an American woman where there is a mixed medley of races and so much diversity and completely different from what you get in any other parts of the world because these different races and ethnic background might have a name or label but to ME and MY experience I don't see that label the majority of the time I don't see someone as white or black or Mexican or Indian. I grew up with friends of all background, of course I knew their race but I never saw it that way.
I'm not trying to say my country is better than other countries, in fact we are not even comparable by a long shot because we have a lot of problems. But I love my country imperfections and all.
Just because our sense of beauty is skewd and/or different from your culture does not make it fake... just like the Korean culture... would you say it's "fake" too? For christsake they have to look good to get a job... would you consider that fake?
I think your bias draws from a bad experience in the US I don't blame you. But it doesn't make you right either.
Posted by xtina
Being Asian American I'd have to say that, and this opinion I feel is only relevant to Asian Americans, is that there is a very strong pressure from the media to assimilate into the ideal western beauty. Similar to how most women feel pressured to be thin and look a certain way I feel this is even more heightened for any ethnic woman living in America.
If you look at all the magazines, tv shows... anything associated with women and "beauty" it is always portrayed by caucasian women. AND if there are any women of color they are very caucasian "like"... very rarely do you see a woman that is extremely dark or too ethnic looking. Even the Asian women portrayed either have perfect straight European noses or large doe eyes. This is not an accurate portrayal of real Asian beauty. I think what makes us Asian women beautiful is or double-lid almond shaped eyes and our small button noses. And no matter the color I think they are all beautiful.
But it is a real pressure that ethnic women feel because of the under representation in American media and culture.


Stick with what you're doing Kiddo!

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