Third world American not so bad..
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"The poor people get free food, housing, grants to fix their property, ssi benefits, free handouts, etc. They live good.
The only people that struggle are those with serious addictions and no support."
Do you agree with this statement?
The only people that struggle are those with serious addictions and no support."
Do you agree with this statement?
Posted by tizianiBoth.
Bad relative to the rest of the world?
Relative to the rest of the world, and stand alone.
Is third world America those districts where parents put poop in their child's hair for SSI benefits?
Posted by KimboSlicewut
Is third world America those districts where parents put poop in their child's hair for SSI benefits?
I think mental health has a lot to do with it, there is not enough support for it. It's our own governments doing with them giving people guns and telling them to shoot to kill. They should have the proper support for anyone with mental health problems, instead of just doping them up and telling them it will be ok.
Edited to add- this was just an add in to your topic. I don't agree and part of it has to do with this. I think most homeless/displaced people have mental health issues
Edited to add- this was just an add in to your topic. I don't agree and part of it has to do with this. I think most homeless/displaced people have mental health issues
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatch
America does not know what third world poverty is.
I agree
The closest I’ve seen to third world poverty here in the states was migrant workers on a dairy farm
They were living in trailers with holes in the floor; no running water or plumbing; kids were not receiving proper nutrition, health care, or education. Still probably better off than those living somewhere like Haiti, just saying. And obviously better off than they were in Mexico since they were accepting of these conditions just for a chance to be here and to make money to send home to family.
Mind you I feel a bit third world walking into a Save-a-lot so I am in no way pretending I know what third world poverty really is.
I’m just saying I don’t think anything here in the US truly compares
I’m just saying I don’t think anything here in the US truly compares
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchIt only takes one instance of that said government overstepping to keep you relying on those services though.Posted by ScheherazadePosted by MrsElleCappysnatch
America does not know what third world poverty is.
Ehhhh I would argue some areas get pretty close.
I can't agree.
If your government provides food services, shelter, water and sanitary facilities, cash benefits, employment services, etc.....
You are dealing with poor choices, not third world poverty.click to expand
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchIt's takes money to move your life elsewhere.Posted by ScheherazadePosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by ScheherazadePosted by MrsElleCappysnatch
America does not know what third world poverty is.
Ehhhh I would argue some areas get pretty close.
I can't agree.
If your government provides food services, shelter, water and sanitary facilities, cash benefits, employment services, etc.....
You are dealing with poor choices, not third world poverty.
What are your thoughts on Flint, MI?
The water situation? Deplorable.
Why people are still there while politicians and business are thriving are beyond me.click to expand
Attempting a move while living paycheck to paycheck or on a fixed income is practically impossible.
GOATS AND SODA
Posted by Unwordingpinkbird
So whose statement is that? 🙃
Posted by ItsSupes2That is a bold statement.Posted by Sith_RogenANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.click to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2You also got off easy compared to most.Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Sith_Rogen
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.
ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
That is a bold statement.
It is and it’s true.
I made bad decisions when I was younger. I turned my shit around and started doing better. Once you get the ball going in the right direction you can keep it going that wayclick to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2Posted by xy_sighPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Sith_Rogen
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.
ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
That is a bold statement.
It is and it’s true.
I made bad decisions when I was younger. I turned my shit around and started doing better. Once you get the ball going in the right direction you can keep it going that way
You don't have the same limitations as another person especially people with dark skin and whose first language is not English.
Here we go. Eventually someone was going to go down the race routeclick to expand
It's an important part of the equation..
Compared to being White:
You're 1.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Hispanic.
You're 2.0x as likely to live in poverty if you're Black.
You're 2.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Native American.
Posted by ItsSupes2Class and race are highly connected.Posted by xy_sighPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by xy_sighPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Sith_Rogen
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.
ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
That is a bold statement.
It is and it’s true.
I made bad decisions when I was younger. I turned my shit around and started doing better. Once you get the ball going in the right direction you can keep it going that way
You don't have the same limitations as another person especially people with dark skin and whose first language is not English.
Here we go. Eventually someone was going to go down the race route
So you don't think it's relevant to this thread?
Absolutely not
This is about CLASS
Not raceclick to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2How should it be worded instead?Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by xy_sighPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Sith_Rogen
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.
ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
That is a bold statement.
It is and it’s true.
I made bad decisions when I was younger. I turned my shit around and started doing better. Once you get the ball going in the right direction you can keep it going that way
You don't have the same limitations as another person especially people with dark skin and whose first language is not English.
Here we go. Eventually someone was going to go down the race route
It's an important part of the equation..
Compared to being White:
You're 1.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Hispanic.
You're 2.0x as likely to live in poverty if you're Black.
You're 2.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Native American.
Then you need to change the topic of the postclick to expand
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchHow are they different?Posted by _DazedPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by ScheherazadePosted by MrsElleCappysnatch
America does not know what third world poverty is.
Ehhhh I would argue some areas get pretty close.
I can't agree.
If your government provides food services, shelter, water and sanitary facilities, cash benefits, employment services, etc.....
You are dealing with poor choices, not third world poverty.
It only takes one instance of that said government overstepping to keep you relying on those services though.
Whose to say they don't want a certain number of population relying on them?
It is designed to keep people poor.
Poor and poverty are not the same thing though.click to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2There is a literal definition of 3rd world country.. and there is a figurative.Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by xy_sighPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Sith_Rogen
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.
ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
That is a bold statement.
It is and it’s true.
I made bad decisions when I was younger. I turned my shit around and started doing better. Once you get the ball going in the right direction you can keep it going that way
You don't have the same limitations as another person especially people with dark skin and whose first language is not English.
Here we go. Eventually someone was going to go down the race route
It's an important part of the equation..
Compared to being White:
You're 1.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Hispanic.
You're 2.0x as likely to live in poverty if you're Black.
You're 2.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Native American.
Then you need to change the topic of the post
How should it be worded instead?
You worded it and addressed it as a class. 1st,2nd and 3rd world ratings aren’t about race......it’s about success as a nation. If you want to break it down by race......then do so.
I addressed your post as it was wordedclick to expand
Posted by ItsSupes25.3% of the population—or 17.3 million people—live in deep poverty, with incomes below 50% of their poverty thresholds.Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by xy_sighPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Sith_Rogen
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.
ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
That is a bold statement.
It is and it’s true.
I made bad decisions when I was younger. I turned my shit around and started doing better. Once you get the ball going in the right direction you can keep it going that way
You don't have the same limitations as another person especially people with dark skin and whose first language is not English.
Here we go. Eventually someone was going to go down the race route
It's an important part of the equation..
Compared to being White:
You're 1.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Hispanic.
You're 2.0x as likely to live in poverty if you're Black.
You're 2.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Native American.
Then you need to change the topic of the post
How should it be worded instead?
You worded it and addressed it as a class. 1st,2nd and 3rd world ratings aren’t about race......it’s about success as a nation. If you want to break it down by race......then do so.
I addressed your post as it was worded
There is a literal definition of 3rd world country.. and there is a figurative.
There is absolutely ZERO 3rd world areas in the US.click to expand
I'm willing to bet those are 3rd world conditions.
Posted by ItsSupes2The poverty live for a single person is $ 12,784Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by xy_sighPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Sith_Rogen
In the US, you have a 90% chance of remaining in the socioeconomic class you are born into or falling to one below you. Upward mobility is a myth.
You're far more likely to advance in other countries. They do have that going for them.
ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions.
That is a bold statement.
It is and it’s true.
I made bad decisions when I was younger. I turned my shit around and started doing better. Once you get the ball going in the right direction you can keep it going that way
You don't have the same limitations as another person especially people with dark skin and whose first language is not English.
Here we go. Eventually someone was going to go down the race route
It's an important part of the equation..
Compared to being White:
You're 1.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Hispanic.
You're 2.0x as likely to live in poverty if you're Black.
You're 2.5x as likely to live in poverty if you're Native American.
Then you need to change the topic of the post
How should it be worded instead?
You worded it and addressed it as a class. 1st,2nd and 3rd world ratings aren’t about race......it’s about success as a nation. If you want to break it down by race......then do so.
I addressed your post as it was worded
There is a literal definition of 3rd world country.. and there is a figurative.
There is absolutely ZERO 3rd world areas in the US.
5.3% of the population—or 17.3 million people—live in deep poverty, with incomes below 50% of their poverty thresholds.
I'm willing to bet those are 3rd world conditions.
Negative. Not even close
That’s POOR, not povertyclick to expand
Two people: $ 16,247
Three people: $ 19,985
Now let's look at those number at 50% .
Single: $ 6,392 ( $ 532/month)
Two: $ 8,123 ( $ 676/month)
Three: $ 9,992 ( $ 832/month)
FYI.. $ 12,784 is $ 6.15/hour and $ 6,392 is $ 3.07/hour.
That is poverty my dude.
Elle and Supes keep mentioning supplemental services.
2018 Poverty rate for US: 14.1%
2018 SPM rate for the US: 12.8%
For those that do not know, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) was implemented with the intent to extend the official poverty measure by taking account of many of the government programs designed to assist low-income families and individuals that are not included in the official poverty measure.
2018 Poverty rate for US: 14.1%
2018 SPM rate for the US: 12.8%
For those that do not know, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) was implemented with the intent to extend the official poverty measure by taking account of many of the government programs designed to assist low-income families and individuals that are not included in the official poverty measure.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchMitch McConnell should be proud.
That would be like saying all white people are rich. Let me introduce you to Kentucky......
Posted by ItsSupes2From your source..Posted by _Dazed
Elle and Supes keep mentioning supplemental services.
2018 Poverty rate for US: 14.1%
2018 SPM rate for the US: 12.8%
For those that do not know, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) was implemented with the intent to extend the official poverty measure by taking account of many of the government programs designed to assist low-income families and individuals that are not included in the official poverty measure.
According to the global poverty measure.....
If you have access to education, food....etc
You ain’t in povertyclick to expand
"In the United States, 12.3% of the population, or 39.7 million people, live in poverty — with an income of less than $ 33.26 per day — according to the 2017 census."
Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Elle and Supes keep mentioning supplemental services.
2018 Poverty rate for US: 14.1%
2018 SPM rate for the US: 12.8%
For those that do not know, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) was implemented with the intent to extend the official poverty measure by taking account of many of the government programs designed to assist low-income families and individuals that are not included in the official poverty measure.
According to the global poverty measure.....
If you have access to education, food....etc
You ain’t in poverty
From your source..
"In the United States, 12.3% of the population, or 39.7 million people, live in poverty — with an income of less than $ 33.26 per day — according to the 2017 census."click to expand
Your point on education..
It's not "access to education".
It's access to QUALITY EDUCATION.
Again.. your source.
"Children living in poverty often lack access to a quality education. Sometimes it’s because there’s not enough quality schools, their parents cannot afford school fees, or because impoverished families need their children to work. Without a quality education, children grow up being unable to provide for their own children — thus the generational cycle of poverty."
"What is poverty?
Although poverty is often discussed in terms of dollar amounts, quality of life is also part of the conversation. Living in poverty means a life of struggle and deprivation.
Children living in poverty often lack access to a quality education. Sometimes it’s because there’s not enough quality schools, their parents cannot afford school fees, or because impoverished families need their children to work. Without a quality education, children grow up being unable to provide for their own children — thus the generational cycle of poverty.
Living in poverty also means not being able to afford a doctor or medical treatment. It means no electricity, limited shelter, and often little to no food on the table. For young children, improper nutrition can mean stunting and wasting that permanently impact their development. In impoverished countries where many people lack access to clean water and sanitation, poverty means the spread of preventable diseases and the unnecessary death of children.
Historically, poverty has been calculated based on a person’s income and how much he or she can buy with that income, but new multidimensional measures are more holistic."
Although poverty is often discussed in terms of dollar amounts, quality of life is also part of the conversation. Living in poverty means a life of struggle and deprivation.
Children living in poverty often lack access to a quality education. Sometimes it’s because there’s not enough quality schools, their parents cannot afford school fees, or because impoverished families need their children to work. Without a quality education, children grow up being unable to provide for their own children — thus the generational cycle of poverty.
Living in poverty also means not being able to afford a doctor or medical treatment. It means no electricity, limited shelter, and often little to no food on the table. For young children, improper nutrition can mean stunting and wasting that permanently impact their development. In impoverished countries where many people lack access to clean water and sanitation, poverty means the spread of preventable diseases and the unnecessary death of children.
Historically, poverty has been calculated based on a person’s income and how much he or she can buy with that income, but new multidimensional measures are more holistic."
"What is absolute poverty and relative poverty?
Absolute poverty is when a person cannot afford the minimum nutrition, clothing, or shelter needs in their country.Relative poverty is a household income below a certain percentage, typically 50% or 60% , of the median income of that country. This measurement takes into consideration the subjective cost of participating in everyday life. For example, plumbing is a necessity in some places; without plumbing, a person could be considered impoverished. However, in other places plumbing is a luxury. Relative poverty is useful for considering income inequality within a country."
Absolute poverty is when a person cannot afford the minimum nutrition, clothing, or shelter needs in their country.Relative poverty is a household income below a certain percentage, typically 50% or 60% , of the median income of that country. This measurement takes into consideration the subjective cost of participating in everyday life. For example, plumbing is a necessity in some places; without plumbing, a person could be considered impoverished. However, in other places plumbing is a luxury. Relative poverty is useful for considering income inequality within a country."
"What is the poverty line in the United States?
In the U.S. for a family a four, the poverty line is $ 25,100 a year. This means that families who earn less than that cannot afford rent, food, or other basic needs. For an individual in the U.S., the poverty line is $ 12,140 a year, or $ 33.26 per day. This poverty guideline is calculated based on information from the Census Bureau and is updated by evaluating recent price changes using the Consumer Price Index."
In the U.S. for a family a four, the poverty line is $ 25,100 a year. This means that families who earn less than that cannot afford rent, food, or other basic needs. For an individual in the U.S., the poverty line is $ 12,140 a year, or $ 33.26 per day. This poverty guideline is calculated based on information from the Census Bureau and is updated by evaluating recent price changes using the Consumer Price Index."
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchI'm using Supes source.. that defines poverty on an international level, and includes the US.Posted by _Dazed
"What is the poverty line in the United States?
In the U.S. for a family a four, the poverty line is $ 25,100 a year. This means that families who earn less than that cannot afford rent, food, or other basic needs. For an individual in the U.S., the poverty line is $ 12,140 a year, or $ 33.26 per day. This poverty guideline is calculated based on information from the Census Bureau and is updated by evaluating recent price changes using the Consumer Price Index."
You can keep quoting this stuff but do realise it means nothing to someone who does not believe poverty exists in America when comparing it to other countries.
There is not a link, white page, thesis or study that will get me to see it from your perspective.
Putting "shocking" numbers in US currency is downright laughable.click to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2Just using your source my dude.Posted by _DazedPosted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Elle and Supes keep mentioning supplemental services.
2018 Poverty rate for US: 14.1%
2018 SPM rate for the US: 12.8%
For those that do not know, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) was implemented with the intent to extend the official poverty measure by taking account of many of the government programs designed to assist low-income families and individuals that are not included in the official poverty measure.
According to the global poverty measure.....
If you have access to education, food....etc
You ain’t in poverty
From your source..
"In the United States, 12.3% of the population, or 39.7 million people, live in poverty — with an income of less than $ 33.26 per day — according to the 2017 census."
Your point on education..
It's not "access to education".
It's access to QUALITY EDUCATION.
Again.. your source.
"Children living in poverty often lack access to a quality education. Sometimes it’s because there’s not enough quality schools, their parents cannot afford school fees, or because impoverished families need their children to work. Without a quality education, children grow up being unable to provide for their own children — thus the generational cycle of poverty."
Education is absolute garbage in the US. We are ALL IN POVERTY THENclick to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2Not based on the decisions one makes. Point invalidated.Posted by _Dazed
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Literally the first sentence......
Poverty CAN be a trap
Thanks for validating my point budclick to expand
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Reading most of the comments here makes it clear Americans have no real clue what "poverty" actually is. Carry on
Posted by ItsSupes2Read your source.Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Literally the first sentence......
Poverty CAN be a trap
Thanks for validating my point bud
Not based on the decisions one makes. Point invalidated.
Yes, it isclick to expand
Posted by Black-MambaPosted by bumboklatt
The only way i truly understood the American life style is when i spent a couple of years abroad in a developing country.
For some people in the usa its probably even worse than in those 3rd world/developing countries
Well okay so we have running water - except our water is full of bleach -okay we have material wealth- but no happiness - no social well being -okay we have food- all that makes us sick and gives us cancer
yeah some people might not have food banks - but they eat organic food - they might not eat 8 times a day- but they don't have cardiovascular diseases
i mean we have to look at things in prespective.click to expand
Also agree
Posted by ItsSupes2Your source says otherwise.Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Literally the first sentence......
Poverty CAN be a trap
Thanks for validating my point bud
Not based on the decisions one makes. Point invalidated.
Yes, it is
Read your source.
You’re dancing in circles my dude
Many have made it out of poverty. If one can do it, all can do it. It’s NOT impossibleclick to expand
"The cycle of poverty".
Posted by ItsSupes2Put what into law?Posted by Black-MambaPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Black-MambaPosted by ScheherazadePosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Elle and Supes keep mentioning supplemental services.
2018 Poverty rate for US: 14.1%
2018 SPM rate for the US: 12.8%
For those that do not know, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) was implemented with the intent to extend the official poverty measure by taking account of many of the government programs designed to assist low-income families and individuals that are not included in the official poverty measure.
According to the global poverty measure.....
If you have access to education, food....etc
You ain’t in poverty
From your source..
"In the United States, 12.3% of the population, or 39.7 million people, live in poverty — with an inco8me of less than $ 33.26 per day — according to the 2017 census."
However, those same people have access to education, vaccines, food and govt assistance to pull them off that poverty line
It doesn’t pull them out of poverty it simply maintains them to keeps them housed and fed and clothed.
As soon as you make enough to barely get by you no longer qualify for aid in most cases. So it’s better to remain poor if you can’t make a huge leap up. In most cases that isn’t possible.
Lets say you get a job- which doesn't really cover much, but its above what you should be earning to get medicaid, what do you do, give up the job or the insurance that is saving your life
this is how america works
Yes, this is how America works and it is designed that way on purpose. Wealthy America thrives when there is a balance between classes.
That balances gets out of whack, the wealthy panic. Look at how they are scrambling now with Covid. GET BACK TO FUCKING WORK MIDDLE CLASS I DONT CARE IF HALF OF YOU DIE, WE WILL replace YOU WITH THE POOR AND BRING IN MORE POOR.
It is no different than the class system in Europe, Caste system in Asia and Tribalism in Africa.
However, still not poverty. Still.means.poor.
I get your point. its on purpose. it's disgusting.
Thanks to the Democrats who put all this into law. That’s right. Democratic law enables thisclick to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2It specifically states why folks CAN'T. Lists the reasons. If you fall into those categories, it's nearly impossible.. meaning not ALL CAN.Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Literally the first sentence......
Poverty CAN be a trap
Thanks for validating my point bud
Not based on the decisions one makes. Point invalidated.
Yes, it is
Read your source.
You’re dancing in circles my dude
Many have made it out of poverty. If one can do it, all can do it. It’s NOT impossible
Your source says otherwise.
"The cycle of poverty".
Many have made it out. If one can, all can.
Goes back to the article CANclick to expand
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchOf course.Posted by ScheherazadePosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Literally the first sentence......
Poverty CAN be a trap
Thanks for validating my point bud
Not based on the decisions one makes. Point invalidated.
Yes, it is
Read your source.
You’re dancing in circles my dude
Many have made it out of poverty. If one can do it, all can do it. It’s NOT impossible
Your source says otherwise.
"The cycle of poverty".
Many have made it out. If one can, all can.
Goes back to the article CAN
Once poor, people can experience difficulty escaping poverty because many things that would allow them to do so require money they don't have, such as:
Education and retraining with new skills
Child care which would enable a single parent or second parent to work or take classes
Transportation to a distant job
Migration to an area with better economic opportunities
Starting a new business, which might require market research, technical assistance, and startup funding
Obtaining land for subsistence farming
Cure a health condition that prevents work, including diseases of poverty which don't affect people outside of the "cycle of poverty"
According to the United States Census, in 2012 people aged 18-64 living in poverty in the country gave the reason they did not work, by category4]
31% - Ill or disabled
26% - Home or family reasons
21% - School or other
13% - Cannot find work
8% - Retired early
Some activities can also cost poor people more than wealthier people:
Rent – If unable to afford the first month's rent and security deposit for a typical apartment lease, people sometimes must live in a hotel or motel at a higher daily rate.[5]
Food
If unable to afford an apartment with a refrigerator, kitchen, and stove, people may need to spend more on prepared meals than if they could cook for themselves and store leftovers.[5]
Buying in bulk (large quantities) is usually cheaper than buying small quantities in multiple transactions, but poor people are less likely to have cash on hand to finance a large purchase of food needed for the more distant future. Poor people are less able to afford delivery or automobile transport of quantities too large to carry on public transit or bicycle.
People who live in food deserts without access to fast transportation may buy more expensive food from nearby convenience stores, and have more difficulty transporting perishable goods.
Banking – People who cannot maintain a minimum daily balance in a savings account are often charged fees by the bank, whereas people with larger amounts of wealth can earn interest on savings and substantial returns from investments. Unbanked people must use higher-cost alternative financial services services, such as check-cashing services for payroll and money orders for transferring to other people. People who have had previous credit problems, such as overdrafting an account, may not be eligible to open a checking or savings account. Major reasons for not opening a bank account include not trusting banks, being concerned about not making a payment due to a bank error or delay, not understanding how banks work, and not having enough money to qualify for a free account.[6]
Debt – People who have no net savings sometimes have to use high-interest credit cards or other loans to pay for emergency expenses or even daily needs. Interest must be paid on debt, and a lower credit score (which can result from a low income) typically results in a higher interest rate, such as for a subprime mortgage. Payday loans can have an extremely high interest rate, and other forms of debt not typically used by high-income consumers include refund anticipation loans, car title loans, and pawnshops.
Overdue payments – People who cannot afford to pay all of their bills on time, or who accidentally make a late payment due to waiting until the last possible day can incur late fees not affecting people who can simple schedule automatic payments from savings.
Furniture – If unable to afford a piece of furniture, a rent-to-own agreement can make it available without having savings, but at a higher long-term cost.
Transportation – If unable to afford a car, taking public transportation can take longer, effectively an increased cost in the form of lost time. Many poor people must live further away from work in order to find housing they can afford.
Health care – Though most industrialized countries have free universal health care, in the United States and many developing countries, people with little savings often postpone expensive medical treatment as long as possible. This can cause a relatively small medical condition to become a serious condition that costs more to treat, and possibly causing lost wages due to missed hourly work. (Though poor people may have lower overall personal medical expenses simply because illnesses and medical conditions go untreated, and on average life span is shorter.) Higher-income workers typically have medical insurance which prevents them from experiencing excessive costs and often provides free preventive care for example this reason. In addition to personal savings they can use, higher-income workers are also more likely to be salaried and get sick time that prevents them from losing wages while seeking treatment. Because no skills or experience are required, some people in poverty make money by volunteering for medical studies or donating blood plasma.[7]
Government benefits may require paperwork or attendance at mandatory classes that a job wouldn't, effectively an increased cost in the form of lost time per unit of money taken in.
Government policy, government funding, and access to financial services can play a large role in preventing one-time events from pushing people into poverty, and in overcoming barriers to escaping poverty. People who cannot work due to a disability often rely on government assistance, family members, or charities, but may also have personal savings. Many governments have programs to support the elderly, given that many have not saved enough money to last throughout their planned retirement, and that many will experience health problems that prevent them from working. Inability to work can present an insurmountable barrier to exiting poverty if external assistance is insufficient.
#Factors_maintaining_personal_poverty" data-url="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_poverty#Factors_maintaining_personal_poverty" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_poverty#Factors_maintaining_personal_poverty
I have a question, because I'm curious.
Do you think there are some poor people, if given the opportunity to be successful.....will turn it down and just accept their quality of life as it is?
Serious question. Not being snarky.
*edit - *Specifically* Anericansclick to expand
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
Posted by nikkistarI'm just using the international definition @ItsSupes2 provided.
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
Posted by Black-MambaThat's a moot question, and redundant again for the people that are posting on this site. We don't know what true poverty is anymore. We don't come from a 3rd world country. We don't have to worry where our next meal comes from.Posted by nikkistar
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
but how about not having the luxury to get medical care when you need it?click to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2What law?Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by Black-MambaPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by Black-MambaPosted by ScheherazadePosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Elle and Supes keep mentioning supplemental services.
2018 Poverty rate for US: 14.1%
2018 SPM rate for the US: 12.8%
For those that do not know, the SPM (Supplemental Poverty Measure) was implemented with the intent to extend the official poverty measure by taking account of many of the government programs designed to assist low-income families and individuals that are not included in the official poverty measure.
According to the global poverty measure.....
If you have access to education, food....etc
You ain’t in poverty
From your source..
"In the United States, 12.3% of the population, or 39.7 million people, live in poverty — with an inco8me of less than $ 33.26 per day — according to the 2017 census."
However, those same people have access to education, vaccines, food and govt assistance to pull them off that poverty line
It doesn’t pull them out of poverty it simply maintains them to keeps them housed and fed and clothed.
As soon as you make enough to barely get by you no longer qualify for aid in most cases. So it’s better to remain poor if you can’t make a huge leap up. In most cases that isn’t possible.
Lets say you get a job- which doesn't really cover much, but its above what you should be earning to get medicaid, what do you do, give up the job or the insurance that is saving your life
this is how america works
Yes, this is how America works and it is designed that way on purpose. Wealthy America thrives when there is a balance between classes.
That balances gets out of whack, the wealthy panic. Look at how they are scrambling now with Covid. GET BACK TO FUCKING WORK MIDDLE CLASS I DONT CARE IF HALF OF YOU DIE, WE WILL replace YOU WITH THE POOR AND BRING IN MORE POOR.
It is no different than the class system in Europe, Caste system in Asia and Tribalism in Africa.
However, still not poverty. Still.means.poor.
I get your point. its on purpose. it's disgusting.
Thanks to the Democrats who put all this into law. That’s right. Democratic law enables this
That is bullshit. All politicians contribute to this. It is not a one party design.
Nope. 100% Democrats and they keep trying to add to itclick to expand
Posted by ItsSupes2NEARLYPosted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Literally the first sentence......
Poverty CAN be a trap
Thanks for validating my point bud
Not based on the decisions one makes. Point invalidated.
Yes, it is
Read your source.
You’re dancing in circles my dude
Many have made it out of poverty. If one can do it, all can do it. It’s NOT impossible
Your source says otherwise.
"The cycle of poverty".
Many have made it out. If one can, all can.
Goes back to the article CAN
It specifically states why folks CAN'T. Lists the reasons. If you fall into those categories, it's nearly impossible.. meaning not ALL CAN.
Bullshit. If one can do it, then it’s not impossible. If it’s not impossible, then others can do it tooclick to expand
This isn't math.
Posted by Black-MambaWe are not discussing COVID. We are discussing poverty.Posted by nikkistarPosted by Black-MambaPosted by nikkistar
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
but how about not having the luxury to get medical care when you need it?
That's a moot question, and redundant again for the people that are posting on this site. We don't know what true poverty is anymore. We don't come from a 3rd world country. We don't have to worry where our next meal comes from.
False. There's plenty of Black people in AMerica who are dying from Covid-19 who can access the internet and have electricity yet are unable to get treatment from medical facilities.click to expand
Health care in the US is a for profit industry, that in of itself is so flawed and gross. But that is for another topic.
Posted by ItsSupes2I honestly have no idea what you're even asking me..Posted by _DazedPosted by nikkistar
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
I'm just using the international definition @ItsSupes2 provided.
Internet is pretty much free in America. What’s the excuse that it’s not included in poverty?click to expand
However, You need a smart phone/computer to access "free internet". If you don't have one, you need access to transportation so you can get to the library, IF your city/town even has one.
Posted by ItsSupes2Doesn't change the fact that your "ALL can" declaration is invalid.Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _Dazed
Supes: "ANYONE can be more successful than their parents with the right decisions."
Also Supes: "Here's my source..."
"What is the cycle of poverty?
Poverty can be a trap. For someone to get out of poverty, they need opportunities such as an education, clean water, medical facilities nearby, and financial resources. Without these basic elements, poverty becomes a cycle from one generation to the next.
If families are too poor to send their children to school, their children will have a difficult time earning an income when they grow up. If a community lacks clean water, women will spend much of their day fetching water instead of earning an income. If medical facilities are far away, a parent loses income every time they take a sick child to the doctor.
Natural disasters and conflict can add to the cycle of poverty or add people to it . When a natural disaster strikes an impoverished community without functional public institutions, families are more vulnerable and often lack basic resources to recover, thus further entrenching a community in poverty or jeopardizing one that had recently emerged."
Literally the first sentence......
Poverty CAN be a trap
Thanks for validating my point bud
Not based on the decisions one makes. Point invalidated.
Yes, it is
Read your source.
You’re dancing in circles my dude
Many have made it out of poverty. If one can do it, all can do it. It’s NOT impossible
Your source says otherwise.
"The cycle of poverty".
Many have made it out. If one can, all can.
Goes back to the article CAN
It specifically states why folks CAN'T. Lists the reasons. If you fall into those categories, it's nearly impossible.. meaning not ALL CAN.
Bullshit. If one can do it, then it’s not impossible. If it’s not impossible, then others can do it too
NEARLY
This isn't math.
Can’t and nearly are 2 very different things. Which one is it? 2 quotes ago you said they can’t. Now you say nearly. Pick one my dudeclick to expand
Posted by Black-MambaI wouldn't know what poverty is, because I have never been impoverish. That would be something my mom could relay, not I.Posted by nikkistarPosted by Black-MambaPosted by nikkistarPosted by Black-MambaPosted by nikkistar
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
but how about not having the luxury to get medical care when you need it?
That's a moot question, and redundant again for the people that are posting on this site. We don't know what true poverty is anymore. We don't come from a 3rd world country. We don't have to worry where our next meal comes from.
False. There's plenty of Black people in AMerica who are dying from Covid-19 who can access the internet and have electricity yet are unable to get treatment from medical facilities.
We are not discussing COVID. We are discussing poverty.
Health care in the US is a for profit industry, that in of itself is so flawed and gross. But that is for another topic.
What is poverty? Please explain it to me. Cause I feel i see more poverty in America than I do in my birth country., which is classified 3rd world countryclick to expand
Posted by ItsSupes214% povertyPosted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by nikkistar
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
I'm just using the international definition @ItsSupes2 provided.
Internet is pretty much free in America. What’s the excuse that it’s not included in poverty?
I honestly have no idea what you're even asking me..
However, You need a smart phone/computer to access "free internet". If you don't have one, you need access to transportation so you can get to the library, IF your city/town even has one.
Obamaphoneclick to expand
12% SPM
Only 2% get those supplements.
Posted by ItsSupes2On a scale of 1 to 10..Posted by _DazedPosted by ItsSupes2Posted by _DazedPosted by nikkistar
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
I'm just using the international definition @ItsSupes2 provided.
Internet is pretty much free in America. What’s the excuse that it’s not included in poverty?
I honestly have no idea what you're even asking me..
However, You need a smart phone/computer to access "free internet". If you don't have one, you need access to transportation so you can get to the library, IF your city/town even has one.
Quit moving your own goalposts.click to expand
Impossible is 1.
Nearly impossible is 2.
ALL CAN is 10.
Posted by nikkistarI've never been to outer space, but I know what the definition of outer space is.Posted by Black-MambaPosted by nikkistarPosted by Black-MambaPosted by nikkistarPosted by Black-MambaPosted by nikkistar
I find it redundant for a bunch of people that clearly have the luxury of the internet, electricity, and electronics to post on DXP, to be arguing about what the definition of "poverty" is.
but how about not having the luxury to get medical care when you need it?
That's a moot question, and redundant again for the people that are posting on this site. We don't know what true poverty is anymore. We don't come from a 3rd world country. We don't have to worry where our next meal comes from.
False. There's plenty of Black people in AMerica who are dying from Covid-19 who can access the internet and have electricity yet are unable to get treatment from medical facilities.
We are not discussing COVID. We are discussing poverty.
Health care in the US is a for profit industry, that in of itself is so flawed and gross. But that is for another topic.
What is poverty? Please explain it to me. Cause I feel i see more poverty in America than I do in my birth country., which is classified 3rd world country
I wouldn't know what poverty is, because I have never been impoverish. That would be something my mom could relay, not I.click to expand
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