Trump Declares A National State Of Emergency Over The Coronavirus Outbreak
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Posted by LostinmyMind11Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
Posted by sagaciouscorpYep, same story here. And we have bosses who flew to Thailand (thru HK) and back just as the shit hit the fan in China. AND, they have just been to Denmark for a week and flew back on Friday to beat the European ban and I'm sure will be in the office tomorrow despite recommendations to self isolate for 2 weeks. It's a small office, so none of us are too thrilled at the prospect.Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
They are not testing
Let’s see at the end of this er visit despite telling the my coworker came from Japan n 3 have been sickclick to expand
Posted by sultrykittyIt makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.Posted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.click to expand
Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.click to expand
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
50% increase, folks.
This isn't rocket science. Basic understanding of our infrastructure tells you that that large an increase is bad. You literally see it every day during peek traffic times.
This isn't rocket science. Basic understanding of our infrastructure tells you that that large an increase is bad. You literally see it every day during peek traffic times.
Posted by sultrykittyI do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.click to expand
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.click to expand
The number of infections by weekly measurement are tracking nearly exactly to the numbers tracked in both China and Italy at the same points in their epidemics. The US is about 3-4 weeks behind Italy.
Posted by sultrykittyThat's probably why you're seeing closing of bars/restaurants except for takeout, and request for limitations on groups of more than 50 (although I'm hearing that's going down to 25). From what I've read, Italy was a little too relaxed initially and now they have a problem.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
The number of infections by weekly measurement are tracking nearly exactly to the numbers tracked in both China and Italy at the same points in their epidemics. The US is about 3-4 weeks behind Italy.click to expand
Normally I'm not a big fan of diktats, but considering instances like that guy in Kentucky refusing a self quarantine (now under mandatory quarantine), they may be next.
For the USA, just imagine all the Johnny and Jane Douchebags out there--the ones who pass merging traffic to try and squeeze in at the last minute, walk out of the bathroom without washing hands and go pullng the door handle, the goofs at a buffet actually touching food with their hands, etc.--and you'll understand why it gets imposed because there's a good chunk of people out there without an ounce of self awareness or consideration for others.
Heck, Typhoid Mary eventually had to be essentially imprisoned because she refused to acknowledge (or didn't care) she was causing others harm.
Posted by sultrykittyAnd it seems like we are taking the measures to decrease the spread but it is causing mass panic. In my state we have 5 confirmed cases... canceling sporting events, parades/celebrations and closing schools etc is the best course of action to keep it contained and the hospitals working as they should. It's the now closing stores early, closing restaurants/bars etc but yet still offering drive thru services to what next.... full lock down of cities for 5 confirmed (technically 1 due to they don't have to report to the CDC anymore) cases...imo, it's a bit much and increasing the panic. I mean...I already do my part as social distancing is my m.o. anyway and especially during our flu and cold season...I hate being sick period. I'm just saying...too much power like claiming state of emergency for 5 cases doesn't sit with me right. We shall see how it all unfolds in the next couple of weeks.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
The number of infections by weekly measurement are tracking nearly exactly to the numbers tracked in both China and Italy at the same points in their epidemics. The US is about 3-4 weeks behind Italy.click to expand
Posted by CancerOnTheCuspI'm quite libertarian, but when it comes to health emergencies, TEMPORARY measures I'm fine with. I was around during the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, before anyone really knew what it was, or how it was transmitted. I was dumbfounded at the fact that no one was being quarantined. It still may have made a difference if they had been. I don't understand how major health issues fall victim to politicization. Stuff like this affects everyone regardless, so decisions should be made solely on the scientific evidence and keeping everyone safe. At least that's my 2 cents.Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
The number of infections by weekly measurement are tracking nearly exactly to the numbers tracked in both China and Italy at the same points in their epidemics. The US is about 3-4 weeks behind Italy.
That's probably why you're seeing closing of bars/restaurants except for takeout, and request for limitations on groups of more than 50 (although I'm hearing that's going down to 25). From what I've read, Italy was a little too relaxed initially and now they have a problem.
Normally I'm not a big fan of diktats, but considering instances like that guy in Kentucky refusing a self quarantine (now under mandatory quarantine), they may be next.
For the USA, just imagine all the Johnny and Jane Douchebags out there--the ones who pass merging traffic to try and squeeze in at the last minute, walk out of the bathroom without washing hands and go pullng the door handle, the goofs at a buffet actually touching food with their hands, etc.--and you'll understand why it gets imposed because there's a good chunk of people out there without an ounce of self awareness or consideration for others.
Heck, Typhoid Mary eventually had to be essentially imprisoned because she refused to acknowledge (or didn't care) she was causing others harm.click to expand
Posted by LostinmyMind11Last week in my county there were 2. One less than a mile from where I live, the other hospitalized about 2 miled from me. Now there are 12. Statewide last week, 14. Now 39.Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
The number of infections by weekly measurement are tracking nearly exactly to the numbers tracked in both China and Italy at the same points in their epidemics. The US is about 3-4 weeks behind Italy.
And it seems like we are taking the measures to decrease the spread but it is causing mass panic. In my state we have 5 confirmed cases... canceling sporting events, parades/celebrations and closing schools etc is the best course of action to keep it contained and the hospitals working as they should. It's the now closing stores early, closing restaurants/bars etc but yet still offering drive thru services to what next.... full lock down of cities for 5 confirmed (technically 1 due to they don't have to report to the CDC anymore) cases...imo, it's a bit much and increasing the panic. I mean...I already do my part as social distancing is my m.o. anyway and especially during our flu and cold season...I hate being sick period. I'm just saying...too much power like claiming state of emergency for 5 cases doesn't sit with me right. We shall see how it all unfolds in the next couple of weeks.click to expand
Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.click to expand
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.
Posted by sultrykittyYeah I have one that about a mile from me too. They've tested 95 people so far and again we only have the 5 in the whole state...all elderly who went on trips except for a student but she was in Italy going to school when it broke out there...I'm sure it will change in the coming days but I still like my odds so far lol.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
The number of infections by weekly measurement are tracking nearly exactly to the numbers tracked in both China and Italy at the same points in their epidemics. The US is about 3-4 weeks behind Italy.
And it seems like we are taking the measures to decrease the spread but it is causing mass panic. In my state we have 5 confirmed cases... canceling sporting events, parades/celebrations and closing schools etc is the best course of action to keep it contained and the hospitals working as they should. It's the now closing stores early, closing restaurants/bars etc but yet still offering drive thru services to what next.... full lock down of cities for 5 confirmed (technically 1 due to they don't have to report to the CDC anymore) cases...imo, it's a bit much and increasing the panic. I mean...I already do my part as social distancing is my m.o. anyway and especially during our flu and cold season...I hate being sick period. I'm just saying...too much power like claiming state of emergency for 5 cases doesn't sit with me right. We shall see how it all unfolds in the next couple of weeks.
Last week in my county there were 2. One less than a mile from where I live, the other hospitalized about 2 miled from me. Now there are 12. Statewide last week, 14. Now 39.click to expand
Posted by justagirlPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.click to expand
I said it should be common sense but we can see that is severely lacking. I also didn't say it was the flu. I said we didn't care this much when the flu with a vaccine has been killing the elderly and babies for years and I can guarantee we still wouldn't care if it wasn't for the mass amounts of the elderly in other countries dying.
Until it "popped" up here...not a damn soul cared about what was happening in China or Italy for that matter...it's only when we feel threatened that's it's made a big deal.
And more and more I can see why other countries think we are selfish and entitled ...cause we are.
Posted by sagaciouscorpI'm sure they aren't but I can only go by what they are saying unfortunately.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
The number of infections by weekly measurement are tracking nearly exactly to the numbers tracked in both China and Italy at the same points in their epidemics. The US is about 3-4 weeks behind Italy.
And it seems like we are taking the measures to decrease the spread but it is causing mass panic. In my state we have 5 confirmed cases... canceling sporting events, parades/celebrations and closing schools etc is the best course of action to keep it contained and the hospitals working as they should. It's the now closing stores early, closing restaurants/bars etc but yet still offering drive thru services to what next.... full lock down of cities for 5 confirmed (technically 1 due to they don't have to report to the CDC anymore) cases...imo, it's a bit much and increasing the panic. I mean...I already do my part as social distancing is my m.o. anyway and especially during our flu and cold season...I hate being sick period. I'm just saying...too much power like claiming state of emergency for 5 cases doesn't sit with me right. We shall see how it all unfolds in the next couple of weeks.
Last week in my county there were 2. One less than a mile from where I live, the other hospitalized about 2 miled from me. Now there are 12. Statewide last week, 14. Now 39.
Yeah I have one that about a mile from me too. They've tested 95 people so far and again we only have the 5 in the whole state...all elderly who went on trips except for a student but she was in Italy going to school when it broke out there...I'm sure it will change in the coming days but I still like my odds so far lol.
They are just not testingclick to expand
Posted by LostinmyMind11You keep focusing on the mortality rate. That's not the issue. The issue is the rate of infection.Posted by justagirlPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.
I also said it should be common sense but we can see that is severely lacking. I also didn't say it was the flu. I said we didn't care this much when the flu with a vaccine has been killing the elderly and babies for years.click to expand
I get you don't work in a hospital, so it's hard for you to see the strain put on the system with an uptick in patient load.
We see an increase in patient load during flu season, but it's spread out between many months. Peak flu season is especially trying and is when facilities start to become strained. We're short on staff (this is a whole other issue not related to this discussion), short on beds, short on supplies.. just from it being flu season.
Now.. introduce a new illness with no vaccine, no cure, and an R-naught that is 50% higher than influenza. That's 50% more traffic on medical infrastructure that's already strained.
Posted by _DazedPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by justagirlPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.
I also said it should be common sense but we can see that is severely lacking. I also didn't say it was the flu. I said we didn't care this much when the flu with a vaccine has been killing the elderly and babies for years.
You keep focusing on the mortality rate. That's not the issue. The issue is the rate of infection.
I get you don't work in a hospital, so it's hard for you to see the strain put on the system with an uptick in patient load.
We see an increase in patient load during flu season, but it's spread out between many months. Peak flu season is especially trying and is when facilities start to become strained. We're short on staff (this is a whole other issue not related to this discussion), short on beds, short on supplies.. just from it being flu season.
Now.. introduce a new illness with no vaccine, no cure, and an R-naught that is 50% higher than influenza. That's 50% more traffic on medical infrastructure that's already strained.click to expand
I'm not getting why you're telling me this when I agree with the social distancing to help with the spread and keeping the hospitals working as they should. It's the taking thing away little by little and causing mass panic which then increases the rate of infected as we can see everyone piling up in stores. It's literally doing the opposite and that makes me paranoid more than the virus.
Posted by LostinmyMind11Because you keep saying we don't take this measure with the flu. I'm explaining why it's being done and not with seasonal influenza.Posted by _DazedPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by justagirlPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.
I also said it should be common sense but we can see that is severely lacking. I also didn't say it was the flu. I said we didn't care this much when the flu with a vaccine has been killing the elderly and babies for years.
You keep focusing on the mortality rate. That's not the issue. The issue is the rate of infection.
I get you don't work in a hospital, so it's hard for you to see the strain put on the system with an uptick in patient load.
We see an increase in patient load during flu season, but it's spread out between many months. Peak flu season is especially trying and is when facilities start to become strained. We're short on staff (this is a whole other issue not related to this discussion), short on beds, short on supplies.. just from it being flu season.
Now.. introduce a new illness with no vaccine, no cure, and an R-naught that is 50% higher than influenza. That's 50% more traffic on medical infrastructure that's already strained.
I'm not getting why you're telling me this when I agree with the social distancing to help with the spread and keeping the hospitals working as they should. It's the taking thing away little by little and causing mass panic which then increases the rate of infected as we can see everyone piling up in stores. That makes me paranoid more than the virus.click to expand
Also.. N1H1 had an R-Naught from around 1.4 to 1.6.
Comparable to our seasonal influenza.
Comparable to our seasonal influenza.
Posted by _DazedOk when I was talking about that I was talking about the death rate that occurs.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by _DazedPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by justagirlPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.
I also said it should be common sense but we can see that is severely lacking. I also didn't say it was the flu. I said we didn't care this much when the flu with a vaccine has been killing the elderly and babies for years.
You keep focusing on the mortality rate. That's not the issue. The issue is the rate of infection.
I get you don't work in a hospital, so it's hard for you to see the strain put on the system with an uptick in patient load.
We see an increase in patient load during flu season, but it's spread out between many months. Peak flu season is especially trying and is when facilities start to become strained. We're short on staff (this is a whole other issue not related to this discussion), short on beds, short on supplies.. just from it being flu season.
Now.. introduce a new illness with no vaccine, no cure, and an R-naught that is 50% higher than influenza. That's 50% more traffic on medical infrastructure that's already strained.
I'm not getting why you're telling me this when I agree with the social distancing to help with the spread and keeping the hospitals working as they should. It's the taking thing away little by little and causing mass panic which then increases the rate of infected as we can see everyone piling up in stores. That makes me paranoid more than the virus.
Because you keep saying we don't take this measure with the flu. I'm explaining why it's being done and not with seasonal influenza.click to expand
How many on average would you say stay in the hospital during the flu season or visit the hospital then are sent home? How many are staying in the hospital with this new virus or coming in for it? Peak flu season is about over..correct? Anyone diagnosed with the new virus aren't supposed to just show up at the ER (of course they will) but what is being done there...aren't most told to go home and self isolate if no complications are occuring. Would you agree that you'll see in uptick in hospital visits due to people panicking that they have it...I mean there's no getting around that aspect.
I'm just generally curious and not at all discrediting you as you see more than I would.
Quick update regarding ibuprofen and steroids. From Dr John Cambell (UK)
Also regarding the math of this (long post but worth the read):
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10163742243430144&id=717360143
Also regarding the math of this (long post but worth the read):
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10163742243430144&id=717360143
Posted by sultrykittyApparently hospitals in Italy are now in this unenviable position.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.click to expand
For anyone who might be interested.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/?fbclid=IwAR28K8UU3WvoJT6rLJE4u_557xSQpwBsstkxRgCwWrjAp6TK5iqgWGdOmsE
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/?fbclid=IwAR28K8UU3WvoJT6rLJE4u_557xSQpwBsstkxRgCwWrjAp6TK5iqgWGdOmsE
Posted by LoggerNobody defends it, or thinks it's odd, so I can only assume there's a plethora of morons here, with a closet or two in their apartment full of azz wipe. When you run out of food, I want pictures of you frying up that single ply TP for consumption.
I want you to stand up and admit it if you were one of the total morons that loaded up on toilet paper last two days.
If you care to explain you're logic, I'd love to hear it...asking for a friend doing a research project. You may be famous.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by SolaristicPosted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Now that he appears to be taking this serious, his supporters are too....by buying more guns.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox2detroit.com/news/coronavirus-panicked-people-rush-to-buy-survival-gear-guns.amp
These people concern me.
They are proposing shutting down bars and restaurants in my area for two weeks. Cap says the local gun range/store is fucking packed.
This is not good.
If things are shutting down, families should have guns to protect themselves because looting is a real possibility.
1 gun or all the guns and ammunition?
It's like toilet paper. They are panic buying.
I predict we are heading towards a mass shooting of some sort associated to this virus.click to expand
One person should only need one good with enough ammunition so that's sketch.
Posted by AnotherTaurusGuyReturnsPosted by SolaristicPosted by SoulPosted by xoxflutePosted by Soul
I just can't get on the same page as most people freaking out. Many people have died in situations 100 times more horrific then anything we will see from this. It will mean nothing in a few months. Just watch. Even if its not that tame and actually is a big deal, there was always people who seen worse and thats life. It isn't always fair then you die. I can't seem how this is so hard for the majority people to understand, or what there is to truly be afraid of. I'm more afraid of the fact people can't accept their fate, and calmly assess it as it comes. People rather lose their minds over nothing. People lived in the rubble of their homes after the whole fucking place was bombed into oblivion, but some random virus that isn't even as intense as a common std is making people buy mass amounts of toilet paper. It makes no fucking sense to me.
Go to your fb and tell me how many people you know are in the hospital with this virus. How many people that you know can 100% confirm they have it? Idc what country you are from, how many people do you personally know with it? You will always know more who have/ died from a disease, and will likely never know someone who died from coronavirus. Just watch.
I think we're past the point of downplaying its severity. I'm not saying to panic, but that this virus warrants caution and it's way past being just some random virus, imo.
I'm literally the type of person who would be laying in a bed coughing and dying due to an illness, and still denying the seriousness of it and acting like its nothing. People are acting like they are going to 100% die from this. Taking precautions is human nature and I honestly understand that, but the fear people are showing in general just bothers me for some reason. I honestly have no idea why it does.
I get that. And without going to drs to be exposed to more, the best course of treatment for a virus is hydrating and rest. The worry comes from the possibility of shit shutting down for a month.. people like me that have 2 babies under 2 years old have to make sure we have formula, or baby food, and items like diapers and wipes.
What drives me mad is that most these peeps drink Pepsi and sweet tea everyday but buy up all the water once an alert is out, like why? You've been living just fine on your own poisonous concoction why buy water now? And the Corona virus is RESPIRATORY, not like diarrhea and vomiting so the craze with tp is beyond me. Everyone who has ever been to the bathroom to find no to knows a rag or something will suffice if needed. People should stock up on humidifiers, and other vitamins that show to help prevent and protect like vit c. But whatever 🤷♀️✌
Know the world knows how us coastal states prepare for a hurricane. Welcome.
Diarrhoea and vomiting are minor symptoms seen in some cases apparently.click to expand
Some of the cases are considered untested possible c v and those with diarrhea probably have more NORA virus which is common around this time. Until the full complete list comes forward, and if it's TRUE, it should show major respiratory symptoms plus a cough lingering longer than 2 weeks. A lot of the "may be cases" either have more than one sickness or havent been proven clear yet.
Covid-19 is all about the lungs and bronchial tree in your chest. That's it. No shitting, vomiting or other. Just chest symptoms
Posted by SolaristicPosted by MrsElleCappysnatchPosted by SolaristicPosted by MrsElleCappysnatch
Now that he appears to be taking this serious, his supporters are too....by buying more guns.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox2detroit.com/news/coronavirus-panicked-people-rush-to-buy-survival-gear-guns.amp
These people concern me.
They are proposing shutting down bars and restaurants in my area for two weeks. Cap says the local gun range/store is fucking packed.
This is not good.
If things are shutting down, families should have guns to protect themselves because looting is a real possibility.
1 gun or all the guns and ammunition?
It's like toilet paper. They are panic buying.
I predict we are heading towards a mass shooting of some sort associated to this virus.
One person should only need one good with enough ammunition so that's sketch.click to expand
I mean I hope hordes of looters won't storm my little house for tp! I'd hate to shoot someone over to ya know? If it easy needs I can accommodate that but if its insidious, I have bullets to talk for me.
This is why I'm glad I buy in bulk way before I need things. I do it to save me from making so many trips to the store. Never thought people would lose their minds. All of this panic is truly ridiculous.
Posted by MaddestofHattersThe Wuhan eating weird animals thing was just a lie. This shit was made in a lab. That part of China is a well known virus lab. The virus was made by man.Posted by Ram416
For anyone who might be interested.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/?fbclid=IwAR28K8UU3WvoJT6rLJE4u_557xSQpwBsstkxRgCwWrjAp6TK5iqgWGdOmsE
While I admit I believe the level of panic is completely overblown and the panic within itself is causing far more lasting issues, these numbers are kinda misleading as the virus is just now picking up steam. Who knows where the numbers eventually fall in comparison - it does have a relatively fast spread rate.
If one good thing comes from all this I hope it's either we work on getting better prepared for possible outbreaks in the future.... Ooooooor, Asian countries finally stop eating stupid shit that diseases the rest of the world.. maybe we get out of a recession by building more Taco Bells worldwide. Taco bell sickness doesnt spread and only lasts a few hours.click to expand
It got out of hand and they needed someone to blame. Of course those in charge will never tell the truth. Look at how everyone is going batshit crazy. Their virus. Their lies. Too much trust in what so called elites say. Think for yourselves.
Posted by MrsElleCappysnatchI just read where you can have both at the same time...so, it's definitely a big possibility that majority of people who thought they just had the flu had this as well.Posted by LostinmyMind11Posted by _DazedPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by _DazedPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by justagirlPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11Posted by sultrykittyPosted by LostinmyMind11
I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.
I also said it should be common sense but we can see that is severely lacking. I also didn't say it was the flu. I said we didn't care this much when the flu with a vaccine has been killing the elderly and babies for years.
You keep focusing on the mortality rate. That's not the issue. The issue is the rate of infection.
I get you don't work in a hospital, so it's hard for you to see the strain put on the system with an uptick in patient load.
We see an increase in patient load during flu season, but it's spread out between many months. Peak flu season is especially trying and is when facilities start to become strained. We're short on staff (this is a whole other issue not related to this discussion), short on beds, short on supplies.. just from it being flu season.
Now.. introduce a new illness with no vaccine, no cure, and an R-naught that is 50% higher than influenza. That's 50% more traffic on medical infrastructure that's already strained.
I'm not getting why you're telling me this when I agree with the social distancing to help with the spread and keeping the hospitals working as they should. It's the taking thing away little by little and causing mass panic which then increases the rate of infected as we can see everyone piling up in stores. That makes me paranoid more than the virus.
Because you keep saying we don't take this measure with the flu. I'm explaining why it's being done and not with seasonal influenza.
Ok when I was talking about that I was talking about the death rate that occurs.
How many on average would you say stay in the hospital during the flu season or visit the hospital then are sent home? How many are staying in the hospital with this new virus or coming in for it? Peak flu season is about over..correct? Anyone diagnosed with the new virus aren't supposed to just show up at the ER (of course they will) but what is being done there...aren't most told to go home and self isolate if no complications are occuring. Would you agree that you'll see in uptick in hospital visits due to people panicking that they have it...I mean there's no getting around that aspect.
I'm just generally curious and not at all discrediting you as you see more than I would.
I think you are correct that it was already here.
Mid January I travelled from home to Jersey. The man behind me in my flight to Atlanta was a sick hot mess. Sure enough, not even 24 hours later I felt like I was hit by a bus. I typically dont get the flu. Havent in years. I probably had this and didnt know it.
There is a test for that but it's different because it tests for antibodies. But if we cant even get a test to see if we test positive, the likeliness of any other test is less than slimclick to expand
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I'm just curious how many of you think this just popped up with millions of people that traveled over the holidays.
China's what confirmed it's been going on since the beginning of Dec there and it's just now showing up everywhere...nah. I have a feeling that majority of the people have already had it when they were sick months back. Not everyone goes and gets tested for the flu or a cold and the only reason we are seeing an increase is due to the mass panic and now having tests for it. I wish the people that were fighting something like this months ago could of been tested...I bet it would come back positive.
Hell people are misdiagnosed every damn day...so to say those numbers they give are correct...meh, I'm sorry I just wouldn't rely on it. I remember a couple years ago when the flu hit my city pretty bad...I lost my voice (I have Barrett’s esophagus...losing you voice is not good sign), I was already having bad anxiety so I went to the ER where a nurse listen to my heart beat thru my coat. I didn't even see the doc but yet I was diagnosed with a severe respiratory infection. 😐. I told the nurse that I wasn't sick...I didn't feel sick. She told me that I wouldn't 😐. Turns out...I wasn't...I lost my voice due to acid reflux per a gastroenterologist.
I'm just saying...you can't believe everything that's put out there and this virus has already been here. They are creating mass hysteria for something that should be common sense when you're sick and that a vast majority of people have already went thru. But keep on with believing the same crap they push on us.... government and government agencies have never been wrong and only have ever looked out for the good of the people. 🙄.
I'm not saying "flattening the curve" is a bad thing especially to not over crowd the hospitals but I do think they are going overboard.
And to the people wishing death on someone and I don't care if you like him or not.... you're a horrible person and remember karma is a bitch.
Agree with most of this, and considering that post-mortems in the US of presumed flu deaths have tested positive for this virus instead, it pretty much proves it's been around longer. Pretty sure a coworker of mine had it, as is pretty much everyone in our office including him. The numbers coming out of China even still can't be accurate. Probably closer the numbers in South Korea and even Europe.
Still doesn't mean that it's not serious and that aggressive measures to stop or slow the spread are over reactions.
It makes it more serious due to not having a vaccine but we have one with the flu and it still kills thousands each year. While I agree we should take measures to decrease the spread...I still feel literally closing everything down is a little overkill... especially for something I believe has been here for a while. We didn't take these measure when the h1n1 hit nor with anything else and maybe this might change that mentality during our cold and flu seasons.
Actually what makes it serious isn't that it's new or incredibly deadly. It's because infection rates are exponential. meaning that the 15% who need intensive medical care also increases exponentially. There aren't enough medical beds and staff to take care of that many people at one time. That means that the 60 year old grandpa in ICU for an MI may be allowed to die in favor of a 38 year old father of 3 with CV-19 who needs the bed. Personally I don't want our health care professionals to be in that position. They might be anyway in a couple of weeks, but we DEFINITELY will be if we don't do now what other countries have done after it's too late.
I do agree with the flattening of the curve...I just think it's overkill and should be basic common sense which as we can see is severely lacking. Imo other countries are seeing a high infection rate mainly due to the way they embrace each other...take Italy for example...the kiss on both cheeks... innocent enough except when there is a new virus going around.
We also didn't care this much when the flu has been killing the elderly and babies for years ...it's because this can't be swept under the rug with the increase of death in the elderly population in other countries. If that wasn't happening...our country would treat this like it was any other day...sad to say.
Asking for common sense from people that hoard toilet paper and hand sanitizer..
Also this isn’t just like the flu.. I wish people would stop saying that. Over 300 people died in a day in Italy.. that’s not the flu.
I also said it should be common sense but we can see that is severely lacking. I also didn't say it was the flu. I said we didn't care this much when the flu with a vaccine has been killing the elderly and babies for years.
You keep focusing on the mortality rate. That's not the issue. The issue is the rate of infection.
I get you don't work in a hospital, so it's hard for you to see the strain put on the system with an uptick in patient load.
We see an increase in patient load during flu season, but it's spread out between many months. Peak flu season is especially trying and is when facilities start to become strained. We're short on staff (this is a whole other issue not related to this discussion), short on beds, short on supplies.. just from it being flu season.
Now.. introduce a new illness with no vaccine, no cure, and an R-naught that is 50% higher than influenza. That's 50% more traffic on medical infrastructure that's already strained.
I'm not getting why you're telling me this when I agree with the social distancing to help with the spread and keeping the hospitals working as they should. It's the taking thing away little by little and causing mass panic which then increases the rate of infected as we can see everyone piling up in stores. That makes me paranoid more than the virus.
Because you keep saying we don't take this measure with the flu. I'm explaining why it's being done and not with seasonal influenza.
Ok when I was talking about that I was talking about the death rate that occurs.
How many on average would you say stay in the hospital during the flu season or visit the hospital then are sent home? How many are staying in the hospital with this new virus or coming in for it? Peak flu season is about over..correct? Anyone diagnosed with the new virus aren't supposed to just show up at the ER (of course they will) but what is being done there...aren't most told to go home and self isolate if no complications are occuring. Would you agree that you'll see in uptick in hospital visits due to people panicking that they have it...I mean there's no getting around that aspect.
I'm just generally curious and not at all discrediting you as you see more than I would.click to expand
Without it being in my area yet, I can only give you estimations based on prior outbreaks and not on our actual numbers.
How many on average would you say stay in the hospital during the flu season or visit the hospital then are sent home?- I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. I'm assuming you are referring to actual flu patients. Unless you have low O2 stats (meaning you're having respiratory issues), you'll likely be treated with Oseltamivir (Tamiflu) in the ER, sent home, and told to follow up with your primary physician. If you're not having shortness of breath, syncope, etc.. most health professions will tell you to see your PCP instead of coming to the ER.
Peak flu season is about over..correct? - We are in the downhill portion, yes.
Anyone diagnosed with the new virus aren't supposed to just show up at the ER (of course they will) but what is being done there...aren't most told to go home and self isolate if no complications are occurring. - See answer to the first question.
Would you agree that you'll see in uptick in hospital visits due to people panicking that they have it...I mean there's no getting around that aspect. - Just like with flu season, the ER is going to see a major uptick in patient load, be it from panic.. or actual sickness. That part is manageable. Triage will take care of this for the most part. Medical beds on the floor and ICU beds however, will see an uptick with actual sickness. This part is not as manageable as staff, beds, and equipment is limited. And where we would normally transfer patients to another hospital that has beds available, that's not possible when every hospital in the world is in the same situation as we are.
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It’s what the people want. Democrats are literally crying for him to do something. It’s the flu for Pete’s sake! AIDS is more contagious than this shit. Measles too.
Plus, he wanted to close the borders weeks ago and y’all started with that racist shit. Now everyone losing their minds because he didn’t do it fast enough.
So you believe it to be unnecessary and overblown?
Absolutely. This is the most ridiculous shit ever
Health professionals would disagree.
I haven’t heard one yet.
The same people dying from corona are dying from the common flu.
Sarrs is far more contagious and where was the panic?
COVID-19 is more contagious than SARS. SARS had a higher mortality rate.
COVID-19 is also far more contagious than our typical influenza strains.
No, it’s not.
The flu R Rate is 1.5-1.6
Corona is 1.5-2.4
Measles is 18-26
The only people dying from corona are over 60 and have medical conditions.
99% of people live
1.7-2.4 isn't higher than 1.5-1.6?
It’s less than 5% difference. Quit being dramatic.
Again, the only people dying from corona are the same ones that would die from the common flu.
1. There is no vaccine for COVID-19 unlike influenza.
2. Not sure how you got 5% ? R-Naught is the average number of people infected from one other person. If we use the highest value of R-Naught you provided (1.6) for influenza compared to the highest possible value for COVID-19 (2.4), we get a 50% increase, not 5% .
3. Imagine adding 50% more vehicles to your daily traffic. You get stop and go traffic. Now try doing that with limited hospital beds and limited/overworked medical staff.
Is on a 0-100 scale man. Wtf
What's on a scale of 0-100?
How did you get a 5% difference? Explain your math, please.
I said it’s less than 5%
Do you know how to calculate percentage change?
Ofc. I do this shit all day
It’s 4.2% which is less than 5% .
Show your math. How are you getting a 4.2% increase in R-Naught?
It’s simple math manclick to expand
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It’s what the people want. Democrats are literally crying for him to do something. It’s the flu for Pete’s sake! AIDS is more contagious than this shit. Measles too.
Plus, he wanted to close the borders weeks ago and y’all started with that racist shit. Now everyone losing their minds because he didn’t do it fast enough.
So you believe it to be unnecessary and overblown?
Absolutely. This is the most ridiculous shit ever
Health professionals would disagree.
I haven’t heard one yet.
The same people dying from corona are dying from the common flu.
Sarrs is far more contagious and where was the panic?
COVID-19 is more contagious than SARS. SARS had a higher mortality rate.
COVID-19 is also far more contagious than our typical influenza strains.
No, it’s not.
The flu R Rate is 1.5-1.6
Corona is 1.5-2.4
Measles is 18-26
The only people dying from corona are over 60 and have medical conditions.
99% of people live
1.7-2.4 isn't higher than 1.5-1.6?
It’s less than 5% difference. Quit being dramatic.
Again, the only people dying from corona are the same ones that would die from the common flu.
1. There is no vaccine for COVID-19 unlike influenza.
2. Not sure how you got 5% ? R-Naught is the average number of people infected from one other person. If we use the highest value of R-Naught you provided (1.6) for influenza compared to the highest possible value for COVID-19 (2.4), we get a 50% increase, not 5% .
3. Imagine adding 50% more vehicles to your daily traffic. You get stop and go traffic. Now try doing that with limited hospital beds and limited/overworked medical staff.
Is on a 0-100 scale man. Wtf
What's on a scale of 0-100?
How did you get a 5% difference? Explain your math, please.
I said it’s less than 5%
Do you know how to calculate percentage change?
Ofc. I do this shit all day
It’s 4.2% which is less than 5% .
Show your math. How are you getting a 4.2% increase in R-Naught?
It’s simple math man
You didn't answer the question.
How are you getting 4.2% when other people have gotten 50% ?
Because they’re lacking basic comprehension skills.
They’re basing it on flu numbers. It doesn’t work like that. Pretending like the R value stops at 5 or something.click to expand
Posted by Onigen
It got out of hand and they needed someone to blame. Of course those in charge will never tell the truth. Look at how everyone is going batshit crazy. Their virus. Their lies. Too much trust in what so called elites say. Think for yourselves.
It's a bunch of communist dictators that LIE to their people on a daily basis. They don't care - if you step out of line, they stick a needle into the base of your brain, or shoot you, and bury you in a mass grave with the monthly kills. Sick
Another country (China) you couldn't pay me to visit with anything less than a cool million.
Posted by OnigenThat's my suspicion as well, and it got out either due to someone selling test animals in the market (this is a known practice) or by faulty biocontainment procedures.
The Wuhan eating weird animals thing was just a lie. This shit was made in a lab. That part of China is a well known virus lab. The virus was made by man.
The sticky part is if this was bioweapon research. We may never know, but by the way Bejing is acting, that wouldn't surprise me--the implications of that becoming known are bad (as in the possibility of war bad).
Things I don't understand
1: How does it takes 3 months to get to America, then in one night its in every state? Why doesn't anyone see how impossible that is? Yet everyone believes it. Also how no one on my fb knows anyone with it. In fact I bet no one actually knows anyone with this. Just what the news claims and a few celebrities. Wonder if they got paid, or if the doctors who are diagnosing it got paid.
2: Where are all the fundraisers for children and the elderly? There aren't any, because no one really has it. If this was real there would be dozens of fundraisers for children especially. Yet there isn't a single one. Kind of funny. You will 100% know someone who has or died from a disease, but will never know someone with coronavirus. Just watch.
3: The democratics 100% had votes from dead people in the past. Its been proven. They also can murder whoever they want and make it look like suicide. Because of that they can pretty much do whatever they want though the media. Why do people actually believe this is a real thing?
4: Kind of funny this thing hit the exact time people are getting sick and allergies from seasonal reasons. I guess "nature" has perfect timing.
1: How does it takes 3 months to get to America, then in one night its in every state? Why doesn't anyone see how impossible that is? Yet everyone believes it. Also how no one on my fb knows anyone with it. In fact I bet no one actually knows anyone with this. Just what the news claims and a few celebrities. Wonder if they got paid, or if the doctors who are diagnosing it got paid.
2: Where are all the fundraisers for children and the elderly? There aren't any, because no one really has it. If this was real there would be dozens of fundraisers for children especially. Yet there isn't a single one. Kind of funny. You will 100% know someone who has or died from a disease, but will never know someone with coronavirus. Just watch.
3: The democratics 100% had votes from dead people in the past. Its been proven. They also can murder whoever they want and make it look like suicide. Because of that they can pretty much do whatever they want though the media. Why do people actually believe this is a real thing?
4: Kind of funny this thing hit the exact time people are getting sick and allergies from seasonal reasons. I guess "nature" has perfect timing.
Posted by SoulSo this is a cover up for what?
Things I don't understand
1: How does it takes 3 months to get to America, then in one night its in every state? Why doesn't anyone see how impossible that is? Yet everyone believes it. Also how no one on my fb knows anyone with it. In fact I bet no one actually knows anyone with this. Just what the news claims and a few celebrities. Wonder if they got paid, or if the doctors who are diagnosing it got paid.
2: Where are all the fundraisers for children and the elderly? There aren't any, because no one really has it. If this was real there would be dozens of fundraisers for children especially. Yet there isn't a single one. Kind of funny. You will 100% know someone who has or died from a disease, but will never know someone with coronavirus. Just watch.
3: The democratics 100% had votes from dead people in the past. Its been proven. They also can murder whoever they want and make it look like suicide. Because of that they can pretty much do whatever they want though the media. Why do people actually believe this is a real thing?
Posted by _DazedThat I don't know. I might not even be a cover up at all. It could be something else entirely. I just don't believe its as intense as people are acting. I could also be 100% wrong, and once I see people around me with something more then seasonal flu/ allergies I will instantly change my tone about it.Posted by Soul
Things I don't understand
1: How does it takes 3 months to get to America, then in one night its in every state? Why doesn't anyone see how impossible that is? Yet everyone believes it. Also how no one on my fb knows anyone with it. In fact I bet no one actually knows anyone with this. Just what the news claims and a few celebrities. Wonder if they got paid, or if the doctors who are diagnosing it got paid.
2: Where are all the fundraisers for children and the elderly? There aren't any, because no one really has it. If this was real there would be dozens of fundraisers for children especially. Yet there isn't a single one. Kind of funny. You will 100% know someone who has or died from a disease, but will never know someone with coronavirus. Just watch.
3: The democratics 100% had votes from dead people in the past. Its been proven. They also can murder whoever they want and make it look like suicide. Because of that they can pretty much do whatever they want though the media. Why do people actually believe this is a real thing?
So this is a cover up for what?click to expand
Its going to get 100 times worse before it gets better, but not from the virus imo. Just wait till the stores restock and paranoid idiot's keep trying to buy a ridiculous amount of items. Normal people in my area at least are pissed and ready to fight people because of it, so expect fights and potentially deaths to occure. Again not from the virus, but from other people. Thats my prediction.
Posted by _DazedPosted by truecapPosted by _Dazed
Why is he having the Secretary of Energy buy large quantities of crude oil if we are energy dependent now?
This is not only to fill our reserves, but to help our oil field industry. This industry is suffering as Saudi Arabia and Russia and have their price war.
*praying my oilfield man keeps his job*
I don't understand a lot when it comes to this industry. Can you explain it to me like I'm 5?click to expand
OPEC (Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) sets the oil prices. Our economy has nothing to do with it.
This includes Algeria, Angola, Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Iran, Iraz, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Notice the USA is not included. These countries continuously compete with each other and will continue over producing to try to lower oil prices because they want to drive the other oil producing countries out of business (USA, Russia, etc). Or they may slow production in order to create a shortage and raise gas prices to make a profit. The basics of supply and demand.
Since so many things are made of oil (lubricants, plastic, make up, tires, rubber, cleaning products -- there's like hundreds), this indirectly affects the prices of those things as well.
Their goal is to have sovereignty over petroleum. They're basically a cartel.
Right now oil prices are low and our oilfied is suffering. Many rigs are being shut down and many people are losing their jobs. So, Trump filling up the oil reserves is kind of like a bail out for our American produced oil. We purchase it from our own country and that helps our oil companies.
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Why is he having the Secretary of Energy buy large quantities of crude oil if we are energy dependent now?
This is not only to fill our reserves, but to help our oil field industry. This industry is suffering as Saudi Arabia and Russia and have their price war.
*praying my oilfield man keeps his job*
I don't understand a lot when it comes to this industry. Can you explain it to me like I'm 5?
OPEC (Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) sets the oil prices. Our economy has nothing to do with it.
This includes Algeria, Angola, Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Iran, Iraz, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Notice the USA is not included. These countries continuously compete with each other and will continue over producing to try to lower oil prices because they want to drive the other oil producing countries out of business (USA, Russia, etc). Or they may slow production in order to create a shortage and raise gas prices to make a profit. The basics of supply and demand.
Since so many things are made of oil (lubricants, plastic, make up, tires, rubber, cleaning products -- there's like hundreds), this indirectly affects the prices of those things as well.
Their goal is to have sovereignty over petroleum. They're basically a cartel.
Right now oil prices are low and our oilfied is suffering. Many rigs are being shut down and many people are losing their jobs. So, Trump filling up the oil reserves is kind of like a bail out for our American produced oil. We purchase it from our own country and that helps our oil companies.click to expand
Posted by _DazedPosted by truecapPosted by _DazedPosted by truecapPosted by _Dazed
Why is he having the Secretary of Energy buy large quantities of crude oil if we are energy dependent now?
This is not only to fill our reserves, but to help our oil field industry. This industry is suffering as Saudi Arabia and Russia and have their price war.
*praying my oilfield man keeps his job*
I don't understand a lot when it comes to this industry. Can you explain it to me like I'm 5?
OPEC (Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) sets the oil prices. Our economy has nothing to do with it.
This includes Algeria, Angola, Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Iran, Iraz, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Notice the USA is not included. These countries continuously compete with each other and will continue over producing to try to lower oil prices because they want to drive the other oil producing countries out of business (USA, Russia, etc). Or they may slow production in order to create a shortage and raise gas prices to make a profit. The basics of supply and demand.
Since so many things are made of oil (lubricants, plastic, make up, tires, rubber, cleaning products -- there's like hundreds), this indirectly affects the prices of those things as well.
Their goal is to have sovereignty over petroleum. They're basically a cartel.
Right now oil prices are low and our oilfied is suffering. Many rigs are being shut down and many people are losing their jobs. So, Trump filling up the oil reserves is kind of like a bail out for our American produced oil. We purchase it from our own country and that helps our oil companies.
Thank you!click to expand
You're welcome. I'm by no means an expert, hope that helped.
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I was prescribed anitbotics and cough syrup for whatever this is that i have. I'm considered high risk based on what the cdc says with my diabetes and high blood pressure but when i asked about the test i was brushed off. We will see if I get better in the next few days. I have had a cough since saturday, low grade fever and shortness of breath.
Posted by justagirlHope you feel better!. BF had something similar for 3-4 days. A coworker had a "non-flu illness" also for 4 days (missed 1.5 days). Coworker didn't get tested either, even though we had bosses who had returned from Thailand the week before. It isn't that tests.aren't available, it's the (crappy) criteria they're using to screen.
I was prescribed anitbotics and cough syrup for whatever this is that i have. I'm considered high risk based on what the cdc says with my diabetes and high blood pressure but when i asked about the test i was brushed off. We will see if I get better in the next few days. I have had a cough since saturday, low grade fever and shortness of breath.
I'm going to post a long-assed post on FB by a friend who is a healthcare professional in the US. This is just a PSA on his behalf, since we have a lot of dxpers in the US.
"The picture posted is from a slide in an American Hospital Association webinar created by Dr. James Lawler, who researches emerging diseases at the University of Nebraska Medical Center and the Global Center for Health Security. I think this gives everyone a quick snapshot at what we are potentially looking at conservatively. I find numbers helpful and I think most people are having a hard time wrapping their head around what is going on because the situation is constantly evolving and will continue to evolve quickly, so this is a snapshot based on the information available now.
Further important information to know is that there is approximately 900,000 hospital beds in the U.S. (of which 100,000 are ICU). What this means is that we do not have enough beds if there is a surge in infections. When hospitals are stretched everybody has poorer outcomes regardless of age or general health because there aren’t enough beds, ventilators, healthcare professionals, supplies, etc… to effectively treat everyone who needs treatment regardless of why they need to be hospitalized. That leads to battlefield triage type situations that were seen in China and are currently being seen in Italy, meaning healthcare professionals are having to decide who gets what resources and in doing so who lives and who doesn’t. This is not a reflection on their healthcare system, but it is a reflection on the exponential growth of this virus and the strain to resources. That is why flattening the infection curve is so important. To reiterate, this isn’t just about Covid-19, people are still going to need hospitalization for other reasons and there isn’t going to be the resources available if we aren’t proactive.
This brings me to something I have been hearing a lot…well this is just like the seasonal flu (it isn’t), so what’s the big deal? The big deal is that the incubation and asymptomatic period is longer, the transmission rate is higher, it does not respond to antivirals (such as Tamiflu) like influenza does (there are potentially some antiretrovirals like Kaletra that may help, but it is to early to tell definitively) , there is no vaccine, and the mortality rate is significantly higher (for your reference the mortality rate for seasonal influenza is 0.1% )
CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019 through March 7,2020 there have been:
36 million-51 million flu illnesses
370,000-670,000 flu hospitalizations
22,000-55,000 flu deaths
Those are big numbers right? They sure are, but now compare them to the COVID-19 projections. This does not in any way diminish what is going on with the flu (that stuff is serious), but I hope it gives you an idea of the difference in scale in what we are likely looking at if we aren’t more proactive.
I know that this is a lot of information and the numbers are scary, but this isn’t to frighten you. This is to give you hopefully something that helps you wrap your head around the constantly evolving situation better. Knowledge is power! You know what else is powerful? Each and every one of us doing our part!
HOW DO WE DO THAT?
1) WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS! Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but good hand hygiene is your best defense! If you think you are washing them enough, the likely hood is you aren’t, so wash them more often. Wash for at least 20 seconds (sing the Happy Birthday song to yourself (or out loud) twice that will get you to 20 seconds, and heck if you want to, add some extra spice to the routine with some hip motion dance moves). If you can’t wash your hands use hand sanitizer that is at least 60% alcohol (the higher percentage alcohol is better!)
2) SOCIAL DISTANCING! Avoid large crowds and gatherings. Keep your hands to yourself, and resist the urge to touch your face (biggest source of transmission is through your nose, eyes, and mouth). Social distancing helps to decrease the spread of the virus, and is one of the most effective ways to flatten the infection curve so that our healthcare system can cope with Covid-19. Will this inconvenience our lives, YES, but isn’t it better to be slightly inconvenienced now then to create an untenable situation later? The only correct answer is yes. If flattening the curve is a new term for you check out this article (https://washingtonpost.com/graphi…/…/world/corona-simulator/ ) for a further explanation and some simple simulations that provides a great visual. If I have been unclear or for further information, the site(https://staythefuckhome.com ) gives a 12 step manifesto that lays the concept of social distancing out (sorry for the F word, but that is the name of the site)
3) KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF COVID-19! Fevers, chills, cough, and/or shortness of breath. Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure
4) I HAVE SYMPTOMS, NOW WHAT? First off, DO NOT PANIC and DO NOT GO DIRECTLY TO THE ER or your doctor’s office. Only go to the ER if you have chest pain or shortness of breath or other concerning symptoms. Otherwise call your doctor’s office or the nearest ER to get screened over the phone, and then you will be given appropriate directions based on your screening. This lessons the risk of exposure to you, other potential patients, and healthcare professionals.
5) WHO IS MOST AT RISK? Anyone can get it, but those that are at highest risk for poor outcomes are:
-65 years or older
-immunocompromised
-Significant respiratory hx (COPD, Asthma, Smoker, etc…)
-Heart Disease
-Diabetes
Well now what? I am not in the high risk group. Awesome for you, and I am so glad you asked.
THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU, most of us are not in the high risk group, but we have people that we love that are, and even if you don’t it is just the decent thing to do. If that doesn’t motivate you, maybe reframe it in a way that you may not care now, butif you or a non-high risk loved one need a hospitalization for something else and there isn’t resources available you are sure going to care then.Help one another, be kind, and just be better! This is everyone’s chance to do the right thing! If we do this right, we can flatten the curve, and those of you so inclined can go back to grousing about how this is nothing and an overreaction when everything is said and done, and if you are able to do that it means the rest of us did our jobs!"
"The picture posted is from a slide in an American Hospital Association webinar created by Dr. James Lawler, who researches emerging diseases at the University of Nebraska Medical Center and the Global Center for Health Security. I think this gives everyone a quick snapshot at what we are potentially looking at conservatively. I find numbers helpful and I think most people are having a hard time wrapping their head around what is going on because the situation is constantly evolving and will continue to evolve quickly, so this is a snapshot based on the information available now.
Further important information to know is that there is approximately 900,000 hospital beds in the U.S. (of which 100,000 are ICU). What this means is that we do not have enough beds if there is a surge in infections. When hospitals are stretched everybody has poorer outcomes regardless of age or general health because there aren’t enough beds, ventilators, healthcare professionals, supplies, etc… to effectively treat everyone who needs treatment regardless of why they need to be hospitalized. That leads to battlefield triage type situations that were seen in China and are currently being seen in Italy, meaning healthcare professionals are having to decide who gets what resources and in doing so who lives and who doesn’t. This is not a reflection on their healthcare system, but it is a reflection on the exponential growth of this virus and the strain to resources. That is why flattening the infection curve is so important. To reiterate, this isn’t just about Covid-19, people are still going to need hospitalization for other reasons and there isn’t going to be the resources available if we aren’t proactive.
This brings me to something I have been hearing a lot…well this is just like the seasonal flu (it isn’t), so what’s the big deal? The big deal is that the incubation and asymptomatic period is longer, the transmission rate is higher, it does not respond to antivirals (such as Tamiflu) like influenza does (there are potentially some antiretrovirals like Kaletra that may help, but it is to early to tell definitively) , there is no vaccine, and the mortality rate is significantly higher (for your reference the mortality rate for seasonal influenza is 0.1% )
CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019 through March 7,2020 there have been:
36 million-51 million flu illnesses
370,000-670,000 flu hospitalizations
22,000-55,000 flu deaths
Those are big numbers right? They sure are, but now compare them to the COVID-19 projections. This does not in any way diminish what is going on with the flu (that stuff is serious), but I hope it gives you an idea of the difference in scale in what we are likely looking at if we aren’t more proactive.
I know that this is a lot of information and the numbers are scary, but this isn’t to frighten you. This is to give you hopefully something that helps you wrap your head around the constantly evolving situation better. Knowledge is power! You know what else is powerful? Each and every one of us doing our part!
HOW DO WE DO THAT?
1) WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS! Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but good hand hygiene is your best defense! If you think you are washing them enough, the likely hood is you aren’t, so wash them more often. Wash for at least 20 seconds (sing the Happy Birthday song to yourself (or out loud) twice that will get you to 20 seconds, and heck if you want to, add some extra spice to the routine with some hip motion dance moves). If you can’t wash your hands use hand sanitizer that is at least 60% alcohol (the higher percentage alcohol is better!)
2) SOCIAL DISTANCING! Avoid large crowds and gatherings. Keep your hands to yourself, and resist the urge to touch your face (biggest source of transmission is through your nose, eyes, and mouth). Social distancing helps to decrease the spread of the virus, and is one of the most effective ways to flatten the infection curve so that our healthcare system can cope with Covid-19. Will this inconvenience our lives, YES, but isn’t it better to be slightly inconvenienced now then to create an untenable situation later? The only correct answer is yes. If flattening the curve is a new term for you check out this article (https://washingtonpost.com/graphi…/…/world/corona-simulator/ ) for a further explanation and some simple simulations that provides a great visual. If I have been unclear or for further information, the site(https://staythefuckhome.com ) gives a 12 step manifesto that lays the concept of social distancing out (sorry for the F word, but that is the name of the site)
3) KNOW THE SYMPTOMS OF COVID-19! Fevers, chills, cough, and/or shortness of breath. Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure
4) I HAVE SYMPTOMS, NOW WHAT? First off, DO NOT PANIC and DO NOT GO DIRECTLY TO THE ER or your doctor’s office. Only go to the ER if you have chest pain or shortness of breath or other concerning symptoms. Otherwise call your doctor’s office or the nearest ER to get screened over the phone, and then you will be given appropriate directions based on your screening. This lessons the risk of exposure to you, other potential patients, and healthcare professionals.
5) WHO IS MOST AT RISK? Anyone can get it, but those that are at highest risk for poor outcomes are:
-65 years or older
-immunocompromised
-Significant respiratory hx (COPD, Asthma, Smoker, etc…)
-Heart Disease
-Diabetes
Well now what? I am not in the high risk group. Awesome for you, and I am so glad you asked.
THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU, most of us are not in the high risk group, but we have people that we love that are, and even if you don’t it is just the decent thing to do. If that doesn’t motivate you, maybe reframe it in a way that you may not care now, butif you or a non-high risk loved one need a hospitalization for something else and there isn’t resources available you are sure going to care then.Help one another, be kind, and just be better! This is everyone’s chance to do the right thing! If we do this right, we can flatten the curve, and those of you so inclined can go back to grousing about how this is nothing and an overreaction when everything is said and done, and if you are able to do that it means the rest of us did our jobs!"
Posted by sagaciouscorp
The sense I got from the ER staff is who cares about testing we are treating your current symptoms as you would treat any virus.
Maybe they know we are past containment n no longer matters?
Someone mentioned in the Coronavirus thread that it's been fairly obvious for weeks that containment is no longer working.
A friend of mine who is a retired GP just informed some of us that the Ministry of Health in Singapore has started decentralizing testing sites and sending suspected carriers to GP clinics for testing. He suspects that this is because our hospitals have run out of beds and equipment to enforce isolation of carriers in hospital wards.
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