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This topic was created in the Miscellaneous forum by MrFirebird on Thursday, July 11, 2013 and has 274 replies.
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What if you were the captain of a gated community neighborhood watch where the community had constant crime. You go out one night for milk and you find someone who you don't recognize as being apart of the community there. You call law enforcement while you're following the individual in your car, but you stop following after being requested to. After you get out of your car, what would you do? I would think i would start off by saying something along the lines of what are you doing here? because trayvon might know someone in the community. Then how does that go from a simple inquiry go to a gun shot. It is suspected Trayvon didn't know Zimmerman had a gun because it was legally concealed. Would trayvon or anyone react the way he did with a gun holstered in plain sight or even drawn? Was Trayvon attacked or attacking?
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Posted by DonJohnson
Posted by brianafay
Yeah seriously,
how is something considered self defense if you picked the fight?!



everything is fine until someone starts bashing skull. you can follow someone and call them a hoe, moron, douche all day long, but if they bash your skull on concrete then you can defend yourself.
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actually you can't..harrassment is against the law
Harassment is governed by state laws, which vary by state, but is generally defined as a course of conduct which annoys, threatens, intimidates, alarms, or puts a person in fear of their safety. Harassment is unwanted, unwelcomed and uninvited behavior that demeans, threatens or offends the victim and results in a hostile environment for the victim. Harassing behavior may include, but is not limited to, epithets, derogatory comments or slurs and lewd propositions, assault, impeding or blocking movement, offensive touching or any physical interference with normal work or movement, and visual insults, such as derogatory posters or cartoons.
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Posted by DonJohnson
GET READY FOR THE RIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ghetto is going up in flames.... if you are white and live in the hood.
Hide yo wife. Hide yo kids. They raping errrrrrrrrbody out heaaaaaaa


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Posted by SUT3point0
Again, this could have been avoided had Zimmerman opted not to play Batman


Excuse me, but if Zimmerman was playing Batman he would have been wearing caped spandex outfit and a mask, utility belt and drove around in a cool car with Boy Wonder.
There is no evidence that he was playing Batman.
Emotions and Speculations are NOT facts in the eyes of the Law.
There is a lot of evidence that supports Zimmerman's story. IF you're objectively basing your opinion on
what evidence the Prosecution has presented to the Jury, then I think the Prosecution has failed to prove it's case.
On the other hand, IF the Jury decides that emotions and speculations are factual evidence, then, it would be lawful to go around killing everyone because emotion, and not rationale, is the law of the land.
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Posted by DonJohnson

This is only by physical contact, which you can't prove.
The only thing that can be proven is that when someone is screaming for you to stop they are conceding defeat. If you continue you are no longer standing your ground. Luckily this isn't in debate as Trayvon only had damage to his knuckle...indicating that he had done all the punching.



"Harassing behavior may include, but is not limited to, epithets, derogatory comments or slurs"
we don't know what,if any, words were said, but we do know zimmerman was following him(as did trayvon) & jumped out of his car to approach trayvon..and that course of conduct alone could easily annoy, threaten, intimidate, alarm, or put a person in fear of their safety


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lol @ this dummy thinking YOU CORNY! is an actual comeback.

You really are a female.


your lame attempt at a joke wasn't directed at me in the 1st place, so it actually wasn't a comeback stupid..step your jokes up, cornball..them shits is stale

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Posted by DAMEN VI
actually you can't..harrassment is against the law
Harassment is governed by state laws, which vary by state, but is generally defined as a course of conduct which annoys, threatens, intimidates, alarms, or puts a person in fear of their safety. Harassment is unwanted, unwelcomed and uninvited behavior that demeans, threatens or offends the victim and results in a hostile environment for the victim. Harassing behavior may include, but is not limited to, epithets, derogatory comments or slurs and lewd propositions, assault, impeding or blocking movement, offensive touching or any physical interference with normal work or movement, and visual insults, such as derogatory posters or cartoons.


This is only by physical contact, which you can't prove.

The only thing that can be proven is that when someone is screaming for you to stop they are conceding defeat. If you continue you are no longer standing your ground. Luckily this isn't in debate as Trayvon only had damage to his knuckle...indicating that he had done all the punching.


@Damien-- during the testimony, an HOA member testified:
"... police indicated it was acceptable to follow suspicious persons at a safe distance. He also said he signed an agreement with police to increase patrol of the area and to tow illegally parked cars."
http://www.freep.com/article/20130625/NEWS07/306250053/Trayvon-Martin-George-Zimmerman-trial-statements
@ Don
No, harassment isn't "only by physical contact."

Posted by DonJohnson
lol @ this dummy thinking YOU CORNY! is an actual comeback.

You really are a female.
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You're misogyny is showing. Winking
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Posted by DonJohnson

It's not illegal to follow someone. It only is illegal if it's repetitive.
You can't prove anything illegal still =*(
the only thing that's proven is that Trayvon's fists are marked up from pounding head against concrete. Deadly force Sad


it's proven that he called the police because he felt trayvon was "suspicious",its proven that he was told not to follow him and let the real police deal with the situation, its proven that zimmerman wasn't in any immediate danger during the phone call either..so in other words,he provoked & harrassed the victim..

Posted by DonJohnson

Do i even have to make a joke? it's a sad reality of the culture.
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your obsession with "the culture" is another sad reality too,ladyboy
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Posted by DAMEN VI
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@Damien-- during the testimony, an HOA member testified:
"... police indicated it was acceptable to follow suspicious persons at a safe distance . He also said he signed an agreement with police to increase patrol of the area and to tow illegally parked cars."
http://www.freep.com/article/20130625/NEWS07/306250053/Trayvon-Martin-George-Zimmerman-trial-statements


key words:at a safe distance..something zimmerman obviously did not do

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Ok, so...Martinez shot Trayvon because an altercation occurred and he was getting beat up.
My issue is still *why* there was a fight at all. Why didn't Martinez let the cops handle the situation? Why did someone need to die?
People are looking at this like it's a "stand your ground" issue, and it's not. I'm sorry.
No one approached Martinez's home or vehicle. He left his vehicle and pursued/approached the victim.
People get in fights all the time...but you can't just go around shooting people. :/
If people wanna bitch and cry about having gun rights, then don't be careless fucking apes with them!
If people don't see the fine line this issue is balancing on, then shits about to get a lot worse for everyone. If Zimmerman was right to shoot Trayvon...then that basically means that any licensed gun owner can approach someone on the street, start an altercation, and then shoot them, claiming "self defense."
Like are we even living in the same universe??? This is so bizarre
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Ok, so...Martinez shot Trayvon because an altercation occurred and he was getting beat up.
My issue is still *why* there was a fight at all. Why didn't Martinez let the cops handle the situation? Why did someone need to die?
People are looking at this like it's a "stand your ground" issue, and it's not. I'm sorry.
No one approached Martinez's home or vehicle. He left his vehicle and pursued/approached the victim.
People get in fights all the time...but you can't just go around shooting people. :/
If people wanna bitch and cry about having gun rights, then don't be careless fucking apes with them!
If people don't see the fine line this issue is balancing on, then shits about to get a lot worse for everyone. If Zimmerman was right to shoot Trayvon...then that basically means that any licensed gun owner can approach someone on the street, start an altercation, and then shoot them, claiming "self defense."
Like are we even living in the same universe??? This is so bizarre



its not bizarre at all..it's been like this in america since forever..it's called white privilege
and i just laugh anytime white folks try to bring up the OJ situation..they forget just how much he was loved and adored by white people before he caught that case..or that somehow that ONE case meant that racial injustices was equal or some shit,lol
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Posted by DonJohnson
Posted by MrFirebird
Posted by SUT3point0
Again, this could have been avoided had Zimmerman opted not to play Batman


Excuse me, but if Zimmerman was playing Batman he would have been wearing caped spandex outfit and a mask, utility belt and drove around in a cool car with Boy Wonder.
There is no evidence that he was playing Batman.
Emotions and Speculations are NOT facts in the eyes of the Law.
There is a lot of evidence that supports Zimmerman's story. IF you're objectively basing your opinion on
what evidence the Prosecution has presented to the Jury, then I think the Prosecution has failed to prove it's case.
On the other hand, IF the Jury decides that emotions and speculations are factual evidence, then, it would be lawful to go around killing everyone because emotion, and not rationale, is the law of the land.




All the pro trayvon people are emotional wrecks. They can't see things logically nor intellectually.
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That may be.
I was there when the riots broke out in LA.
I drove (18 wheeler) tractor-trailer trucks, hauling freight, cross country, all over the US.
We had a load out of Secaucus, New Jersey for LA when the riots broke out. The terminal manager told
us to "be careful". Our dispatcher reminded us to be extra vigilant and would re-direct if necessary.
In those days, we didn't have cell-phones. We couldn't just pick up the phone like people do, today.
My co-driver was scared. He lived in the area. He was black.
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I think everyone should watch the above before they pursue their biased arguments.
Learn from history or else repeat it at your own risk.
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Ok, we know that Zimmerman contacted police to report a suspicious person.
Next question:
Did Trayvon Martin call police?
If not, can anyone confirm or deny whether Martin contacted police to report
a suspicious person following him???

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Posted by DonJohnson
great videos btw.



I am just trying to sort through the maze of all the media spin and gossip and BS.
Unfortunately, the media is the source for most all the news - a double edged sword.
Nevertheless, my intent is to find the truth of the matter based on evidence.
It is tragic what happened to Trayvon Martin.
As for Zimmerman, was he acting in self-defense or was he as the Prosecutors case described?
According to the evidence and witnesses, I've seen, thus far, Zimmerman has a pretty solid stack of
evidence, eyewitness testimony, expert testimony, that supports his side of the story.
It is pretty hard to argue with concrete.
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Posted by DonJohnson
the part i don't get about Reginald Denny is why did he stop his 18 wheeler?

Mow those animals down.


They are not animals. Just people, in their weakness, who couldn't control their anger and rage.
"Why did he stop his rig?"
Could he have taken out a city of angry black people with that rig? You bet he could!
In fear of his life, could he have escaped the riot running over people blocking his way? You bet he could!

But why did he stop?
He didn't have a radio so he didn't know what was going on.
"One life for ten has always been a diesel driver's code."
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That describes the TRUE spirit of the best of the best. The Truck Driver just doin' his job.
here's a google find on the man who attacked Denny.
http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/damien-football-williams-who-beat-trucker-reginald-denny-in-la-riots-breaks-silence/
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Posted by brianafay
Ok, so...Martinez shot Trayvon because an altercation occurred and he was getting beat up.
My issue is still *why* there was a fight at all. Why didn't Martinez let the cops handle the situation? Why did someone need to die?
People are looking at this like it's a "stand your ground" issue, and it's not. I'm sorry.
No one approached Martinez's home or vehicle. He left his vehicle and pursued/approached the victim.
People get in fights all the time...but you can't just go around shooting people. :/
If people wanna bitch and cry about having gun rights, then don't be careless fucking apes with them!
If people don't see the fine line this issue is balancing on, then shits about to get a lot worse for everyone. If Zimmerman was right to shoot Trayvon...then that basically means that any licensed gun owner can approach someone on the street, start an altercation, and then shoot them, claiming "self defense."
Like are we even living in the same universe??? This is so bizarre



Comment noted.
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Posted by DAMEN VI
Posted by brianafay
Ok, so...Martinez shot Trayvon because an altercation occurred and he was getting beat up.
My issue is still *why* there was a fight at all. Why didn't Martinez let the cops handle the situation? Why did someone need to die?
People are looking at this like it's a "stand your ground" issue, and it's not. I'm sorry.
No one approached Martinez's home or vehicle. He left his vehicle and pursued/approached the victim.
People get in fights all the time...but you can't just go around shooting people. :/
If people wanna bitch and cry about having gun rights, then don't be careless fucking apes with them!
If people don't see the fine line this issue is balancing on, then shits about to get a lot worse for everyone. If Zimmerman was right to shoot Trayvon...then that basically means that any licensed gun owner can approach someone on the street, start an altercation, and then shoot them, claiming "self defense."
Like are we even living in the same universe??? This is so bizarre



its not bizarre at all..it's been like this in america since forever..it's called white privilege
and i just laugh anytime white folks try to bring up the OJ situation..they forget just how much he was loved and adored by white people before he caught that case..or that somehow that ONE case meant that racial injustices was equal or some shit,lol
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The above exchange of ideas and opinions is an illustrious example of what happens when people are thinking in emotional terms, rather than rational terms.
Briana, it's NOT "Martinez" it's "Zimmerman"
Care enough about the FACTS before you expose yourself as being complacent enough to not even
bother getting the Defendant's name right. Mind you, this incident occurred over a year ago.
Damen VI, I am surprised you didn't catch Briana's mistake. Why is that???

Is it rational to kill a man? Well? what would you do if your head was being beaten on the concrete?
and all you got to defend your Softie self is a gun?
Bake a Cake???? Sing "Kumbaya"? "Give Peace A Chance"? "Brahm's Lulaby"
Kids,
Again, it does NOT matter if Zimmerman was armed: He was exercising his Constitutional Right. A right all Americans have (unless those who have committed a crime that takes away that right)
It does NOT matter if he followed Martin. There is no law against it. So that argument is a dead horse.
Trayvon should have just gone home, but he chose not to.
That evens out the "Zimmerman should have stayed in his car, but he chose not to" argument.
So.... that argument is moot and pointless.



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Sorry, lol @ Martinez
I was mixing Zimmerman and Martin together.
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If you read my previous posts, you will see I know the defendant's name
I am from Florida...I knew of this case when it happened...this isn't "news" to me...I am simply participating in what seems to be the hottest topic on DXP as a distraction from my exciting weekend of life-consuming senior project. *shrugs*
I don't talk about this in RL because I am tired of hearing about it - which is probably why you sense a bit of emotion in my post - it's more frustration than anything else.
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Posted by brianafay
If you read my previous posts, you will see I know the defendant's name
I am from Florida...I knew of this case when it happened...this isn't "news" to me...I am simply participating in what seems to be the hottest topic on DXP as a distraction from my exciting weekend of life-consuming senior project. *shrugs*
I don't talk about this in RL because I am tired of hearing about it - which is probably why you sense a bit of emotion in my post - it's more frustration than anything else.



Ok, thank you. I apologize but please understand that I am taking this case very seriously.
From the standpoint of many perspectives. Not just one.
The reason why is because I see a problem and I had been attempting identify the problem more
clearly. Why? Well, it's because I believe that maybe some day, I can do or say something that
can help resolve a world of hurt.
This is NOT an isolated observational examination of this particular court case.
To try to illustrate a difficult thing to describe, An artist sees the big picture and it
is a VERY BIG picture. In fact, the picture is NOT a still shot, but rather, like a film.
It's dynamic.
I am looking at actual case details, trying to remain objective. At the same time, I am
looking at the American society. Observing It's behavior, recalling history, considering
psychology on a personal, local, state, and national level - all walks of life, all races,
ethnicities, etc. etc. At the same time, I am looking at it's laws and consider the human condition.
Fact of the matter is, no matter how compelling the evidence might be that George Zimmerman
is 100% Innocent of premeditated murder, racial and criminal profiling, not all people are not
going to accept it.


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Cont. ^^^
This is such a sticky case in that it is one that illustrates that for every argument, there is a counter-argument. (For every action, there's a reaction)
How this became an issue of race on George Zimmerman's part, doesn't make sense to me based on the
evidence, provided.
Just because someone says it was racially motivated, doesn't make it so in light of the facts.
Jose Baez didn't think this case should have gone to trial. As do a number of others.
What I think we are witnessing is a situation that falls under political pressure - This NOT the first
killing involving two people of different color. -
When Zimmerman was released it was because of they didn't have substantial evidence to conclude that
Zimmerman murdered Martin. Per Zimmerman's story and the evidence available to them, plus this "Stand Your Ground" law, they couldn't retain him. Apparently, it may have been the first time that such a scenario occurred in which the right Civil Rights attorney (Crump) was consulted and he had connections that would go all the way to the top. The White House. We then hear of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP getting involved and a special prosecutor designated to investigate the matter further.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Let's remember that when Trayvon Martin was killed, Barack Obama was campaigning for his second term. It's an election year.
It is now being discussed by Zimmerman's Attorney, Mark O'Mara. Benjamin Crump's legal partner and a few others on both sides as well as Legal experts on various panels on the major news networks and no
doubt a number radio stations and other communications venues.
The question Mark O'Mara appears to be asking, is whether or not Zimmerman's Civil Rights were violated by the state and the US Government. Maybe Crump, as well.
This is a very significant question that may contain some serious scandals all the way up to the White
House which "could" lead to Barack Obama to step down IF there is evidence that show that he, himself
had appeared partial and biased. - Very serious stuff.











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"The (Department of Justice) will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action at the conclusion of the investigation ... The department also is providing assistance to and cooperating with the state officials in their investigation into the incident. With all federal civil rights crimes, the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person acted intentionally and with the specific intent to do something which the law forbids -- the highest level of intent in criminal law. Negligence, recklessness, mistakes and accidents are not prosecutable under the federal criminal civil rights laws."
http://www.theroot.com/buzz/so-what-about-zimmerman-hate-crimes
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All of this was really great information, Firebird .. it's nice to have a person around who is able to speak impartially about topics. I hate it when people get their feelings involved, and so then cannot comprehend all the different angles of a situation.
I haven't finished reading it all yet, or watching the videos ... thanks for keeping it real smile
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All of this was really great information, Firebird .. it's nice to have a person around who is able to speak impartially about topics. I hate it when people get their feelings involved, and so then cannot comprehend all the different angles of a situation.
I haven't finished reading it all yet, or watching the videos ... thanks for keeping it real smile


Thank you, P, I am doing my best.
Intermittent commentary for notes and thoughts or in response to other members.
As for the verdict, it has yet to be handed down as of this post.
Anybody's guess. 2nd Degree? Manslaughter? 2nd deg. may be not guilty, manslaughter
stands a better chance. Not guilty on both counts?
All female Jury it could come back as a hung jury as some had speculated.
Suspicions are mounting of something a LOT bigger going on here, than meets the eye.
Along the lines of "Civil Rights Violations" that imply the Federal Government may
have violated George Zimmerman's Civil Rights.
Though I picked up on a few soundbytes, I have now heard this concept a bit more from
Defense Counsel Mark O'Mara and Ben Crump. There IS dispute. I think it has some
very serious implications in which it is possible, that such conduct could be scandalous
and the "potential" repercussions such that "could", in turn, erupt into actions on the
part of the people that "could" escalate into Second US Civil War.
A war of classes and a war of races. "A Nation Fed Up With Itself".
(Extreme speculation? Perhaps, but before 9/11, nobody believed me when I said the
US was at war.) This is very serious.
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Posted by IrresistableScorp
What if this had nothing to do with race and race is being stirred up by some attention-starved lawyers or something? I find that to be very sad.
Why must it be assumed race riots because of something like this? Its all very 1960s...


Well, the idea, as I am understanding it is that while Sanford police did not think there was sufficient evidence to arrest Zimmerman to begin with, Civil Rights Atty Crump (an emerging civil rights law superstar) thought otherwise, whom I "think" contacted the NAACP who, in turn,
pressured the Justice Department, who directed an investigation which caused this case to come to trial. Based on the "presumption" that Zimmerman engaged in racial profiling. Also, there is
"Criminal Profiling" that may be in the mix somewhere.
With that in mind, the way that all sounds Racial and Criminal Profiling laws seems to say that
we are not to identify anyone who is killing our neighbor when we call the police. Nor can we
tell the police what the killers are doing.
It's probably not ok to call the police to talk about the weather, either.
Personal opinion:
There are sooooo many loose ends in this case as well as sooooo many loose ends

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Posted by IrresistableScorp
Really Seraph or is that just sensationalism. Just asking because I personally don't know anyone with negative attitudes about race or sexual orientation. I don't think its as prevalent as our 24/7 news cycle makes it out to be. :/
You can't learn about the real US from the news. Its a load of garbage mainly--its become more opinion than hard news. Best to stick to reading hard core data/facts about the US. imho


Generally, you have to tap into a variety of sources to triangulate the truth.
There ARE fringe segments in each race in US society that skirt the edge of the law of peaciblness
in their activities. Like it or not, many white people resent the NAACP. Can't change that as
long as the NAACP appears disingenuous to white issues.
In media, we don't see the same kind of coverage of similar outrages also perpetrated against white people. Trust me, there IS discrimination against whites as well as blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Native American. You hardly ever hear about the three latter. Most people don't know that Gov. has
reduced medical service facilities due to "budget cuts" and now the disabled, sick and elderly have
to drive 200 miles to see a heart doctor. Serious problems on the Rez.



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Posted by MrFirebird

With that in mind, the way that all sounds Racial and Criminal Profiling laws seems to say that
we are not to identify anyone who is killing our neighbor when we call the police. Nor can we
tell the police what the killers are doing.




With all due respect, this sounds like censorship. Excuse me? I can identify anything I like when calling the police. Hello? First amendment. Yet another watering down of our rights and people just accept this?



That was an analogy of what they would call legal "Suspicious Person" report.
"Racial profiling is the use of an individual??s race or ethnicity by law enforcement personnel as a key factor in deciding whether to engage in enforcement (e.g. make a traffic stop or arrest)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Profiling
The more I look at what's going on, on the whole - In the US it, seems that the laws are
conflicting with each other in a tragic comedy way.
Imagine:
Motorist runs a red light -
cop pursues and stops motorist and begins to cite him for running a red light.
No problem with that.
Motorist tells the officer that the officer stopped him because he was black.
It was night time.
that's where the hang-up I am having with Zimmerman being called a racist and was profiling.







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Posted by brianafay
If you read my previous posts, you will see I know the defendant's name
I am from Florida...I knew of this case when it happened...this isn't "news" to me...I am simply participating in what seems to be the hottest topic on DXP as a distraction from my exciting weekend of life-consuming senior project. *shrugs*
I don't talk about this in RL because I am tired of hearing about it - which is probably why you sense a bit of emotion in my post - it's more frustration than anything else.



Ok, thank you. I apologize but please understand that I am taking this case very seriously.
From the standpoint of many perspectives. Not just one.
The reason why is because I see a problem and I had been attempting identify the problem more
clearly. Why? Well, it's because I believe that maybe some day, I can do or say something that
can help resolve a world of hurt.
This is NOT an isolated observational examination of this particular court case.
To try to illustrate a difficult thing to describe, An artist sees the big picture and it
is a VERY BIG picture. In fact, the picture is NOT a still shot, but rather, like a film.
It's dynamic.
I am looking at actual case details, trying to remain objective. At the same time, I am
looking at the American society. Observing It's behavior, recalling history, considering
psychology on a personal, local, state, and national level - all walks of life, all races,
ethnicities, etc. etc. At the same time, I am looking at it's laws and consider the human condition.
Fact of the matter is, no matter how compelling the evidence might be that George Zimmerman
is 100% Innocent of premeditated murder, racial and criminal profiling, not all people are not
going to accept it.



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Yeah I get what your saying...and I agree - they're out of their minds charging him with premeditated murder.
I never thought he was guilty of murder...only that he acted extremely carelessly with a firearm, which resulted in the loss of someone's life. That is manslaughter.
& yeah basically, if Trayvon were white, or Zimmerman black, we wouldn't be hearing about it at all.
That's as real as it gets. If you don't think so, pay attention.
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Posted by DonJohnson
???This time we??re doing it right??_ This time we??re not burning down our communities. This time we??re going out to Whitey??s suburbs and burning down HIS community. We??re going to make Whitey feel the pain.??

You observed from the sidelines last time.... and watched whites getting beaten half to death last time. This time, black panther hate groups have already been camping by your communities.



See, this shit is fucking ridiculous.
This is not white men vs. black men.

I feel like I can't safely leave my house this weekend :/
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Posted by everevolvingepithet
That's just silly although will probably give way to giving police/authorities more power to crack down on americans.


INTERESTING
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http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2485825
The jury at George Zimmerman's murder trial were told about his rejection letter from a Virginia police department, his course work for a class that discussed self-defense laws, and his application to do a police ride-along, Judge Debra Nelson ruled Wednesday.
"The testimony is substantive," Nelson said, overruling an objection by Zimmerman's lawyer.

Assistant State Attorney Richard Mantei said the records show Zimmerman had a continuous interest in becoming a police officer, understood police techniques, and understood criminal investigations.
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Nothing emotional about these facts...it's pretty obvious this guy knew EXACTLY what he was doing
at 1st,i thought he should just get charged with manslaughter,but he clearly deserves the 2nd degree murder charge..i see why zimmerman's lawyer wanted this info thrown out,lol
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I look at this case as two people (not a black kid shot by a white man) as everyone else should.
That's how I come to the conclusion I have. Making it a racial issue is not even productive.
On another note...I didn't even know people still used the word "cracker" lmao
& it kind of offends me that when that girl testified and said Trayvon called Zimmerman that everyone said she only said it because she was "young and emotional"
Had it been a different scenario...like someone testifying Zimmerman had used a similar racial slur for Trayvon...there would have been a fucking riot.
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Posted by DonJohnson
you can make excuses all day..... that doesn't change the culture and behavior.


Haha, have you ever been to a trailer park?
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Posted by brianafay
I look at this case as two people (not a black kid shot by a white man) as everyone else should.
That's how I come to the conclusion I have. Making it a racial issue is not even productive.
On another note...I didn't even know people still used the word "cracker" lmao
& it kind of offends me that when that girl testified and said Trayvon called Zimmerman that everyone said she only said it because she was "young and emotional"
Had it been a different scenario...like someone testifying Zimmerman had used a similar racial slur for Trayvon...there would have been a fucking riot.



Well in this case Zimmerman one upped Martin, now didn't he...
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Posted by DonJohnson
America's deadliest cities. See for yourself.....
http://www.policymic.com/articles/22686/america-s-10-deadliest-cities-2012


I really didn't see Mephis coming...and I'm surprised Camden wasn't on there
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Posted by DonJohnson
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/panthers-this-time-were-going-out-to-whiteys-suburbs-and-burning-down-his-community_07112013


^^"However, because of the widespread coverage of the case, it??s likely that should civil unrest, riots, or violence break out, it would be a nationwide phenomenon with the potential to randomly target Caucasians and Hispanics all over the United States."


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tick-tock, tick-tock....
The jurors in the George Zimmerman trial are taking a one-hour lunch break. They began deliberations shortly after 9 a.m. ET Saturday, and they deliberated for more than 3.5 hours Friday.

The jury of six women is charged with deciding whether Zimmerman is guilty of second-degree murder, guilty of manslaughter or not guilty in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed teen, in Sanford, Florida, in February 2012.
Watch live coverage on CNN TV, HLN, http://CNN.com and CNN Mobile when a verdict is reached.
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Posted by DonJohnson
don't stream it on CNN unless you want to be told what to think.



...as if Sad
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plus Zimmerman is a known woman & cop beater..he clearly has shown that he has anger issues
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Posted by SUT3point0
Posted by brianafay
Posted by DonJohnson
America's deadliest cities. See for yourself.....
http://www.policymic.com/articles/22686/america-s-10-deadliest-cities-2012


I really didn't see Mephis coming...and I'm surprised Camden wasn't on there


You from Camden? My cousin lived there, now he lives in Atlanta, but when I went down there it was like no rules it seemed like lol.
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No, I'm one of those rare native Floridians....my Libra's from Camden.
Yeah, it's pretty sketchy overall...cops don't even respond sometimes apparently. :/
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Posted by natural25
Posted by brianafay
I look at this case as two people (not a black kid shot by a white man) as everyone else should.
That's how I come to the conclusion I have. Making it a racial issue is not even productive.
On another note...I didn't even know people still used the word "cracker" lmao
& it kind of offends me that when that girl testified and said Trayvon called Zimmerman that everyone said she only said it because she was "young and emotional"
Had it been a different scenario...like someone testifying Zimmerman had used a similar racial slur for Trayvon...there would have been a fucking riot.



Well in this case Zimmerman one upped Martin, now didn't he...
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I'm sorry if you took what I said as some kind of attempt at racially one upping?
I just think it's sad how this case, and others like it, ends up being justification for racist bullshit on both sides. I don't understand why it always has to go there. Why can't it just be one person shot by another, you know?
I'm white though, so as I've been told a million times probably I wouldn't understand.
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More people are probably going to die over this. That's even more sad....
There are definitely lots of agendas at play here, anyone can see that.
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Plies already made a Trayvon track right after it happened
Not like that though
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Haha, I hate him :/
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yeppppp. real nice
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SUT - What is your points? Why did you post those songs?
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