Zimmerman Trial Facts
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- I am still focusing on that phone call and I have a comment to make concerning it.
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IF You listened objectively, and impartially, VERY closely to the recording,
noting the "Tone" in Zimmerman's voice and exactly what he is saying
you should be able to detect a man who simply observed someone who
did not harbor any "Racial Hate" but rather provided pertinent information
to the Dispatcher.
When he curses, it is in frustration with the recent occurrences of burglaries
and such problems. That's what he was "HATEFUL" about. It's those recent crimes
that aroused his voice and choice of words, in anger, NOT Trayvon Martin.
To BETTER understand what REALLY happened, we absolutely HAVE to approach this
tragedy, objectively, impartially, methodically, articulately and precisely.
While at this time, many are nowhere near willing to do this, due to raw emotions
pent up since it began. An emotional wound upon which the hot-iron of pure seething
hate and frustration and anger was applied. Raw emotions which cannot think rationally.
Believe me, I understand.
Again... a tragically COLOSSAL misunderstanding fueled even worse by the blindness of
emotions. The whole thing is sad. But I must put my emotions aside, and view this
as objectively as I can. Because when I do this, I understand.
When you can, Try to put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, then try to put yourself in
George Zimmerman's shoes. Try to see BOTH sides, from both perspectives, forgetting
your own side, your own views and opinions.
Then try to see it from God's point of view.
This I have sought to do and I am at peace. No ill will toward anyone and compassion
toward all. I truly wish everyone could feel, what I feel, right now.
It's a hard thing. I know.
But like I said before, Peace is Greater than Victory.
I certainly don't expect every one of you to understand what I am saying, but maybe,
some day, you will, too. I certainly hope so.
noting the "Tone" in Zimmerman's voice and exactly what he is saying
you should be able to detect a man who simply observed someone who
did not harbor any "Racial Hate" but rather provided pertinent information
to the Dispatcher.
When he curses, it is in frustration with the recent occurrences of burglaries
and such problems. That's what he was "HATEFUL" about. It's those recent crimes
that aroused his voice and choice of words, in anger, NOT Trayvon Martin.
To BETTER understand what REALLY happened, we absolutely HAVE to approach this
tragedy, objectively, impartially, methodically, articulately and precisely.
While at this time, many are nowhere near willing to do this, due to raw emotions
pent up since it began. An emotional wound upon which the hot-iron of pure seething
hate and frustration and anger was applied. Raw emotions which cannot think rationally.
Believe me, I understand.
Again... a tragically COLOSSAL misunderstanding fueled even worse by the blindness of
emotions. The whole thing is sad. But I must put my emotions aside, and view this
as objectively as I can. Because when I do this, I understand.
When you can, Try to put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, then try to put yourself in
George Zimmerman's shoes. Try to see BOTH sides, from both perspectives, forgetting
your own side, your own views and opinions.
Then try to see it from God's point of view.
This I have sought to do and I am at peace. No ill will toward anyone and compassion
toward all. I truly wish everyone could feel, what I feel, right now.
It's a hard thing. I know.
But like I said before, Peace is Greater than Victory.
I certainly don't expect every one of you to understand what I am saying, but maybe,
some day, you will, too. I certainly hope so.
Ok... I guess that's it.
Carry on.
Carry on.
I guess not, I screwed up my own message.
You see??? This is why you proof read and apply proper punctuation.
I have lost my touch.
You see??? This is why you proof read and apply proper punctuation.
I have lost my touch.
Posted by MrFirebird
IMHO, the US Mainstream media may likely feel otherwise. - It would be a field day for them.
They *are* the ones who created it in the first place, so I would agree-- I would expect them to add fuel to the fire.
Peaceful streets, unfortunately, are not newsworthy.
Posted by xygeneration
But what if Zimmerman is really innocent? There are stories where people thought someone was guilty and years later more evidence show up
Yeah he's totally innocent
What else is a guy supposed to do if he decides to stalk someone and then chase them around with his gun until the person decides to be a complete asshole and fight back.
The real crime would've been if he didn't kill Trayvon Martin.
He should be given a statue in his name with eyes that overlap.
Our judicial still works, without evidence, and with reasonable doubt ..... the proper Verdict was served.
We all have to hope that if we ever find ourselves in need of justice ... that the system still works.
We all have to hope that if we ever find ourselves in need of justice ... that the system still works.
Hitler did say, "To conquer a nation, you must first disarm it's citizens" ... no?
Likely, this was set up by Obama to pull on heartstrings so that people hand over their weapons when called upon .... Sandy Hook Elem, Boston Marathon .... all of those things were likely staged for this very purpose
Likely, this was set up by Obama to pull on heartstrings so that people hand over their weapons when called upon .... Sandy Hook Elem, Boston Marathon .... all of those things were likely staged for this very purpose
Posted by everevolvingepithet
So once the riots blow over, what do you think the Americans will come up with next to cause a media furore?
Blingy, the riots are in the heart and mind of the American people .... we like to fight, we want to be right, at any/all costs.
I should think just reading in here, observing the American people ... it should become apparent how they have no clue of their arrogance, and actually BELIEVE that they are behaving correctly when they talk ghetto-ganster shit against each other.
As much as people argue with Q ... he's right, of course.
The rioting is in the heart, it's always been the desire to complain when they cannot be right .... so, even if an actual riot doesn't take place .... the heart of the purpose of the riot is the driving force of the people to keep the anger burning, for the next time
Ok, where was I?????
ok, the question of "Civil Rights Violations" by Zimmerman or Sanford Police Dept.,
as put forth by Benj. Crump, NAACP, the Justice Dept, the Special Prosecutor down to the Prosecutor.
Benjamin Kruidbos Fired
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing
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ok, the question of "Civil Rights Violations" by Zimmerman or Sanford Police Dept.,
as put forth by Benj. Crump, NAACP, the Justice Dept, the Special Prosecutor down to the Prosecutor.
Benjamin Kruidbos Fired
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing
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Posted by virgodreamzPosted by xygeneration
But what if Zimmerman is really innocent? There are stories where people thought someone was guilty and years later more evidence show up
Yeah he's totally innocent
What else is a guy supposed to do if he decides to stalk someone and then chase them around with his gun until the person decides to be a complete asshole and fight back.
The real crime would've been if he didn't kill Trayvon Martin.
He should be given a statue in his name with eyes that overlap.
click to expand
My opinion is based on a fact - nothing illegal occurred until the first swing.
Question:
We know George Zimmerman called the cops.
IF I am correct, Trayvon Martin did not.
Why not?
Anyone care to answer that question?
Posted by everevolvingepithet
Okidoke, no riots.
I guess it'll be interesting to see what stems from this in the next few days P, news-wise.
Oh, I'm sure there will be threats ... because some people are allowed to do that without repercussions.
Threats because people generally don't know what to do with their anger.
Then once everyone feels like they've screamed enough ... all will blow over.
Until the next time, someone gets their panties wadded up their ass.
I don't see how people thought this was going to go any other way. Fools.
people were so anxious to do a hanging, that they forgot to think .... because it has nothing to do with being guilty or innocent ... it has to do with what you can prove.
there will be something else ..... there always is
The jury made the right decision in their verdict.
Here's what will happen now, which is also the reason why our country cannot get past the racial problems ....
this will stew in the hearts and minds of all people who refused to see the truth of what happened, it will fester and gnaw at them .... then when something else happens (and it will) their anger will come out again, and all reasonable thought will vanish and the only thing they will be able to realize is that they want a hanging.
It's the way of people. One just needs to look in here with all these relationships threads .... the only reason these women are having problems with men, is due to them not being able to let go of past emotional injuries, and letting it fester to the point that once a boy looks at her again .... she means to project all that hurt onto him.
this will stew in the hearts and minds of all people who refused to see the truth of what happened, it will fester and gnaw at them .... then when something else happens (and it will) their anger will come out again, and all reasonable thought will vanish and the only thing they will be able to realize is that they want a hanging.
It's the way of people. One just needs to look in here with all these relationships threads .... the only reason these women are having problems with men, is due to them not being able to let go of past emotional injuries, and letting it fester to the point that once a boy looks at her again .... she means to project all that hurt onto him.
Posted by P-Angel
Hitler did say, "To conquer a nation, you must first disarm it's citizens" ... no?
Likely, this was set up by Obama to pull on heartstrings so that people hand over their weapons when called upon .... Sandy Hook Elem, Boston Marathon .... all of those things were likely staged for this very purpose
Whether Hitler said it or not, is one thing. However the point, that is the value is that you never bring a knife to a gunfight. - hate use the analogy but it's true.
Indeed, we have seen gun control and those that do not understand that tactical advantage, apparently have already forgotten what happened to Trayvon Martin.
IMHO, what happened between Zimmerman and Martin is classic example that illustrates what all skilled
warriors throughout history readily understand.
There had been some jokes about Chuck Norris and Peewee Herman in the courtroom, I think.
Chuck Norris used to say in an advertisement: The Best Defense Is Not To Offend.
I think that Norris v. Herman analogy originally concocted, didn't quite serve the
Prosecution very well.
I don't remember it but I see a bald guy bobbing up and down while he walks.
Maybe someone can clarify.
Posted by feby16aqua
Wow I can't believe that no justice has been served in the least. Fail.
Justice was served .... the system worked exactly as it was suppose to.
If people don't like the system, they could always work to change it ... but, to hope that it's going to work a different way, simply because you have certain feelings, is pretty stupid.
There were several people in here who kept trying to tell everyone how this was going to work out, but, because you got married to your own feelings, you closed your mind.
Even our resident fantasy-Judge didn't see it coming.
I raised my son in the poorest neighborhood in the community .. often referred to as The South (which to the community, The South meant ghetto)
Daily, something was happening, sometimes to him. He was taught to turn the situation around, not to back down necessarily, rather, to stop being/doing whatever it was that seemed to be in opposition of his foes. To create a sense of being in agreement with the person(s) standing in front of him, seeming threatening.
And it works.
Trayvon could have been taught that too. It doesn't really take much to teach a child how to respond in situations.
People aren't suppose to live life like a horse with blinders on, to only react as each episode comes along ... they are suppose to learn how to cope with situations.
Trayvon could have realized that he was being followed, just as he told his girlfriend that he thought he was .... and from this realization, he could have maneuvered HIS response, which took him away from confronting the other individual.
he has the option to turn the other way, and high-tail it home ... he made the choice to confront what he considered to be a foe ... when he made that choice, he also took the responsibility in suffering whatever the consequences were that followed.
Just because he died, doesn't mean he isn't liable for the part he played in his demise.
he wasn't forced to confront anyone, nobody is .... if any person for any reason, confronts another ... then that is the choice they've made, and it's their consequences to pay the price.
Daily, something was happening, sometimes to him. He was taught to turn the situation around, not to back down necessarily, rather, to stop being/doing whatever it was that seemed to be in opposition of his foes. To create a sense of being in agreement with the person(s) standing in front of him, seeming threatening.
And it works.
Trayvon could have been taught that too. It doesn't really take much to teach a child how to respond in situations.
People aren't suppose to live life like a horse with blinders on, to only react as each episode comes along ... they are suppose to learn how to cope with situations.
Trayvon could have realized that he was being followed, just as he told his girlfriend that he thought he was .... and from this realization, he could have maneuvered HIS response, which took him away from confronting the other individual.
he has the option to turn the other way, and high-tail it home ... he made the choice to confront what he considered to be a foe ... when he made that choice, he also took the responsibility in suffering whatever the consequences were that followed.
Just because he died, doesn't mean he isn't liable for the part he played in his demise.
he wasn't forced to confront anyone, nobody is .... if any person for any reason, confronts another ... then that is the choice they've made, and it's their consequences to pay the price.
Posted by P-AngelPosted by feby16aqua
Wow I can't believe that no justice has been served in the least. Fail.
Justice was served .... the system worked exactly as it was suppose to.
If people don't like the system, they could always work to change it ... but, to hope that it's going to work a different way, simply because you have certain feelings, is pretty stupid.
There were several people in here who kept trying to tell everyone how this was going to work out, but, because you got married to your own feelings, you closed your mind.
Even our resident fantasy-Judge didn't see it coming.click to expand
Ohhh CRAP!!!
I didn't see the resident fantasy judge!!! Who was that??
Sorry, I was too busy in this thread.
The only joke are you guys, really, in here spatting off at the mouth about this, because the reality is ..... when the time comes that you are accused of something in which you believe you are innocent .... you will screaming at the top of your lungs.
prove it
prove it
prove it
and you will EXPECT the system to work for you, just the way it's did with this case
You guys are talking out of both sides of your mouth .... because you know damn well, that if it had been the other way around, and Trayvon were up on charges for killing Zimmerman ..... then you would be yelling the complete opposite, and you would be jumping for joy that the system worked.
hypocrites
prove it
prove it
prove it
and you will EXPECT the system to work for you, just the way it's did with this case
You guys are talking out of both sides of your mouth .... because you know damn well, that if it had been the other way around, and Trayvon were up on charges for killing Zimmerman ..... then you would be yelling the complete opposite, and you would be jumping for joy that the system worked.
hypocrites
Posted by SUT3point0Posted by feby16aqua
someone told me that zimmerman is tied in family with judges.
You mean he has connections?
His father was a judge.
And a Jewish one
That's how Zimmerman got off the domestic violence, resisting arrest, sexual harassment etc charges.click to expand
Zimmerman does not have any Jewish identity to him.
Posted by SUT3point0
Blame the victim
got it . Delusional Neptune has taken over this morning for you
I'm not talking about blame ... I'm talking about survival.
Posted by P-Angel
I raised my son in the poorest neighborhood in the community .. often referred to as The South (which to the community, The South meant ghetto)
Daily, something was happening, sometimes to him. He was taught to turn the situation around, not to back down necessarily, rather, to stop being/doing whatever it was that seemed to be in opposition of his foes. To create a sense of being in agreement with the person(s) standing in front of him, seeming threatening.
And it works.
Trayvon could have been taught that too. It doesn't really take much to teach a child how to respond in situations.
People aren't suppose to live life like a horse with blinders on, to only react as each episode comes along ... they are suppose to learn how to cope with situations.
Trayvon could have realized that he was being followed, just as he told his girlfriend that he thought he was .... and from this realization, he could have maneuvered HIS response, which took him away from confronting the other individual.
he has the option to turn the other way, and high-tail it home ... he made the choice to confront what he considered to be a foe ... when he made that choice, he also took the responsibility in suffering whatever the consequences were that followed.
Just because he died, doesn't mean he isn't liable for the part he played in his demise.
he wasn't forced to confront anyone, nobody is .... if any person for any reason, confronts another ... then that is the choice they've made, and it's their consequences to pay the price.
Trayvon could have survived, and be alive today ... if he had made different choices.
Just like everyone else .... your life would be different if you made different choices.
If he had NOT confronted the person following him, and had gone home ... then he would be alive right now.
Posted by Piscesdream89Posted by SUT3point0Posted by feby16aqua
someone told me that zimmerman is tied in family with judges.
You mean he has connections?
His father was a judge.
And a Jewish one
That's how Zimmerman got off the domestic violence, resisting arrest, sexual harassment etc charges.
Zimmerman does not have any Jewish identity to him.click to expand
HIs father is Jewish. Hence, his last name.
Posted by xygeneration
^ Really? And he's only a neighborhood watch?
Sarcasm?
Posted by feby16aquaPosted by P-Angel
The only joke are you guys, really, in here spatting off at the mouth about this, because the reality is ..... when the time comes that you are accused of something in which you believe you are innocent .... you will screaming at the top of your lungs.
prove it
prove it
prove it
and you will EXPECT the system to work for you, just the way it's did with this case
You guys are talking out of both sides of your mouth .... because you know damn well, that if it had been the other way around, and Trayvon were up on charges for killing Zimmerman ..... then you would be yelling the complete opposite, and you would be jumping for joy that the system worked.
hypocrites
no, I wouldn't. Not with the way I see things. A family has lost a son and someone is walking off scott free. Justice is universal.click to expand
Zimmerman truly felt he was innocent or was that his plea? Lets not make assumptions.
Posted by feby16aqua
I don't think being Jewish has anything to do with this though.
It doesnt.
Posted by natural25Posted by Piscesdream89Posted by SUT3point0Posted by feby16aqua
someone told me that zimmerman is tied in family with judges.
You mean he has connections?
His father was a judge.
And a Jewish one
That's how Zimmerman got off the domestic violence, resisting arrest, sexual harassment etc charges.
Zimmerman does not have any Jewish identity to him.
HIs father is Jewish. Hence, his last name.click to expand
His father is a german white Presbyterian and his mom is mixed race catholic from Peru. Its a classic german name, not really a jewish one.
Posted by MrFirebirdPosted by P-AngelPosted by feby16aqua
Wow I can't believe that no justice has been served in the least. Fail.
Justice was served .... the system worked exactly as it was suppose to.
If people don't like the system, they could always work to change it ... but, to hope that it's going to work a different way, simply because you have certain feelings, is pretty stupid.
There were several people in here who kept trying to tell everyone how this was going to work out, but, because you got married to your own feelings, you closed your mind.
Even our resident fantasy-Judge didn't see it coming.
Ohhh CRAP!!!
I didn't see the resident fantasy judge!!! Who was that??
Sorry, I was too busy in this thread.
click to expand
However, I agree with P on her comment.
Justice was served. Just because we may not like the outcome, does NOT mean Justice wasn't served.
Zimmerman had the right to be tried by a jury - that was and remains our Constitutional Right.
And that Right was met. And he was acquitted on all charges.
People, this man's only fault is that he had taken another life - That is a VERY serious act and
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that killing someone was his motivation. Not in the least!!
It was self defense. plain and simple and everyone should recognize that common experience.
Self-defense is as universal an experience that manifests in infinite ways.
Put yourself in Zimmerman's shoes - imagine your head banging against the concrete. You cannot fight
any other way, but you have a gun.
You have only 3 choices, what do you do?
Sing Kumbaya?
Play Brahm's Lulaby?
or use the gun to defend yourself????
Which those three choices do you pick, "Mr. Softie"???
Posted by seraph
This is an example of how vigilantes can game the Stand Your Ground system and instigate (bait others into) a confrontation, and then when it doesn't go their way or they feel they can wave their gun in someone's face, they do.
GZ waived the "Stand your ground" pretrial hearing because his stance was self defense. SYG does not really apply to this case but however if it did, he could still is liable for civil damages.
Posted by feby16aquaPosted by P-Angel
The only joke are you guys, really, in here spatting off at the mouth about this, because the reality is ..... when the time comes that you are accused of something in which you believe you are innocent .... you will screaming at the top of your lungs.
prove it
prove it
prove it
and you will EXPECT the system to work for you, just the way it's did with this case
You guys are talking out of both sides of your mouth .... because you know damn well, that if it had been the other way around, and Trayvon were up on charges for killing Zimmerman ..... then you would be yelling the complete opposite, and you would be jumping for joy that the system worked.
hypocrites
no, I wouldn't. Not with the way I see things. A family has lost a son and someone is walking off scott free. Justice is universal.click to expand
OJ got off, in the minds of many.
Some might say.. Payback is a bitch.
Just sayin'
Posted by geminicandle
Zimmerman is German last name and most Germans in USA are Jewish.
It says his father is American Jew and mother is Peruvian.
This is the info I read.
Posted by xygenerationPosted by natural25Posted by xygeneration
^ Really? And he's only a neighborhood watch?
Sarcasm?
You're catching on.
Well if I had connections i'd ask for a better hookup.click to expand
Ive already caught on.
I'm not really too interested in conspiracy theories, as I don't think that had much influence on the outcome of the trial.
Posted by geminicandle
Zimmerman is German last name and most Germans in USA are Jewish.
lol ... what a dumb fuck
The issue lies in Trayvon's altercation with GZ. Being followed is not a justification of attacking someone. The state simply failed to prove that Zimmerman attacked Martin. It was the defense that pointed out the injuries that Zimmerman endured could only be supported by ZImmerman's story. Trayvon getting into a physical altercation is the key moment that sharpened the burden on him. If Martin knew Zimmerman was armed then he may of not decided to want to go one on one with GZ. If Martin decided to just talk and not fight, then their would be no defense on Zimmerman's behalf. The questioning of ZImmerman getting out of his car and following him does not make a murder case. What made the case and in this case the "Self Defense" case is simply based on a physical assault and the jury felt he was assaulted.
Something else should be of interest to all of you who are emotionally upset.
I was there when the OJ trial went down. I used to commute 125 miles to and from work every night
during that time. I drove the 405 Freeway where we see that slow White Bronco driven by OJ's pal, AC Collins. Everybody was out in the streets waiting for him and waving at him, etc. as they drove to
his Brentwood home.
When the verdict was reached after about only 4 hours, we all thought.... sheeeesh...
Why? because there was a lot of convincing evidence OJ did do it. Not because he was black.
You must remember that before Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson were killed, OJ was the JUICE!
A lot of white people didn't want to believe that OJ did it, so they convinced themselves, that
he didn't. Others were furious their football hero DID commit the crime. Still, the Jury found
him not guilty in about 4 hours.
In Zimmerman's case, the evidence points to his innocence. However, unanswered questions and
tightly held beliefs say otherwise.
But the Jury decided and we all must accept it, even though, we may not like it.
I was there when the OJ trial went down. I used to commute 125 miles to and from work every night
during that time. I drove the 405 Freeway where we see that slow White Bronco driven by OJ's pal, AC Collins. Everybody was out in the streets waiting for him and waving at him, etc. as they drove to
his Brentwood home.
When the verdict was reached after about only 4 hours, we all thought.... sheeeesh...
Why? because there was a lot of convincing evidence OJ did do it. Not because he was black.
You must remember that before Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson were killed, OJ was the JUICE!
A lot of white people didn't want to believe that OJ did it, so they convinced themselves, that
he didn't. Others were furious their football hero DID commit the crime. Still, the Jury found
him not guilty in about 4 hours.
In Zimmerman's case, the evidence points to his innocence. However, unanswered questions and
tightly held beliefs say otherwise.
But the Jury decided and we all must accept it, even though, we may not like it.
^^ that was in 1996
I think the crime occurred in 94 but the trial was in 96.
It's been awhile and I haven't thought about it in quite some time until now.
so excuse the errors.
It's been awhile and I haven't thought about it in quite some time until now.
so excuse the errors.
Posted by xygeneration
Tough call when you have
Racial issue
Gun control issue
In the mix
Wtf is the issue?
Its tough being a juror bc the fate of people is in your hands
Also, kind of surprise that gated communities don't have cameras considering that robbery was an issue before?
Well, I was surprised when the local stop and rob had better closed circuit tv cameras than the Pentagon the day the plane crashed. Just 6 still images as if they cut out several frames.
I want to see the video at the Pentagon -
PAngel is unfortunately correct. Based on the evidence/testimonies handed down to the jury they gave a verdict based on such and came to their verdict as instructed by both charges.
The way I see it...the Martin family has an open can of worms for lawsuits (civil)
Negligence on the part of the county (county sheriff's office fuck ups) which led to a series of screw ups and severe delay for a PROPER investigation AT THE TIME of the killing delaying the process of an assist by the District attorney's office.
Possibly another on the initial investigating officer for negligence and not using proper protocol and the evidence (all) being compromised and later ordered not to be heard by the jurors.
and a definite Civil lawsuit against Zimmerman.....JUSTIFIED
This is a case of injustice for the victim and his family based on those^^ facts. Regarding the verdict, it was justice served only as a result of one screw up after another unbeknownst to the jurors.
There will be interviews with some jurors, and the interviewee always reveal to the jurors what they didn't hear. Guarantee once they hear it their stomachs are going to churn, and sleep will be far fetching for some time for letting this jackass free.
The way I see it...the Martin family has an open can of worms for lawsuits (civil)
Negligence on the part of the county (county sheriff's office fuck ups) which led to a series of screw ups and severe delay for a PROPER investigation AT THE TIME of the killing delaying the process of an assist by the District attorney's office.
Possibly another on the initial investigating officer for negligence and not using proper protocol and the evidence (all) being compromised and later ordered not to be heard by the jurors.
and a definite Civil lawsuit against Zimmerman.....JUSTIFIED
This is a case of injustice for the victim and his family based on those^^ facts. Regarding the verdict, it was justice served only as a result of one screw up after another unbeknownst to the jurors.
There will be interviews with some jurors, and the interviewee always reveal to the jurors what they didn't hear. Guarantee once they hear it their stomachs are going to churn, and sleep will be far fetching for some time for letting this jackass free.
interviewee suppose to be interviewer
Posted by feby16aqua
The ambiguity lies in the lies. All of that gray area has allowed an not innocent man to be set free, and a child is dead.
Treyvon Martin was 17 years old. He was NOT a "helpless little boy" the way that phrase comes across.
I wonder how Trayvon would feel if the whole world thought him as a "Child"
I can imagine somebody dying and see him and say... Hey Trayvon! you know what everyone sayin' back on earth? They call you a CHILD! I can hear his pride force him to YELL "I AM NOT A CHILD!!!!" .
Seraph...move onto the NOW. It is what it is. As soon as that verdict came in, case closed. The good news...the Martin family's lawyers have been at their side from beginning to end and they will be the ones to serve justice for the Martin family now. Guaranteed their lawyers were up all night getting subpoenas and motions to EVERYTHING ready.
Watch the lawsuits get slapped down..and rightfully so.
Watch the lawsuits get slapped down..and rightfully so.
Posted by LetltB
PAngel is unfortunately correct. Based on the evidence/testimonies handed down to the jury they gave a verdict based on such and came to their verdict as instructed by both charges.
The way I see it...the Martin family has an open can of worms for lawsuits (civil)
Negligence on the part of the county (county sheriff's office fuck ups) which led to a series of screw ups and severe delay for a PROPER investigation AT THE TIME of the killing delaying the process of an assist by the District attorney's office.
Possibly another on the initial investigating officer for negligence and not using proper protocol and the evidence (all) being compromised and later ordered not to be heard by the jurors.
and a definite Civil lawsuit against Zimmerman.....JUSTIFIED
This is a case of injustice for the victim and his family based on those^^ facts. Regarding the verdict, it was justice served only as a result of one screw up after another unbeknownst to the jurors.
There will be interviews with some jurors, and the interviewee always reveal to the jurors what they didn't hear. Guarantee once they hear it their stomachs are going to churn, and sleep will be far fetching for some time for letting this jackass free.
LIB,
I've been trying to get the answer as to what the specific Civil Rights violation Zimmerman had committed. - On page 1 I posted a video that has the call audio. On page 2 there is the transcript for
that call. I am having trouble with seeing what rights were violated in that call.
Posted by feby16aquaPosted by Piscesdream89
The issue lies in Trayvon's altercation with GZ. Being followed is not a justification of attacking someone. The state simply failed to prove that Zimmerman attacked Martin. It was the defense that pointed out the injuries that Zimmerman endured could only be supported by ZImmerman's story. Trayvon getting into a physical altercation is the key moment that sharpened the burden on him. If Martin knew Zimmerman was armed then he may of not decided to want to go one on one with GZ. If Martin decided to just talk and not fight, then their would be no defense on Zimmerman's behalf. The questioning of ZImmerman getting out of his car and following him does not make a murder case. What made the case and in this case the "Self Defense" case is simply based on a physical assault and the jury felt he was assaulted.
Fact of the matter is that zimmerman shouldn't have even put himself in that situation. He should have just stayed in the car as he was advised to.click to expand
Neighborhood watchman can follow. Anybody can follow anybody. It will make the person uncomfortable but its not against the law. If it was repetitive it would be stalking, which is not the case in this. What the fact of the matter is Martin put his hands on Zimmerman when he had no legal right too. But at the end of the day, both men (Martin is not a boy) could of errend the situation, but instead, Martin lost his life and ZImmerman lost his. Its a messy situation.
Did trayvon play on a football team??
Posted by seraphPosted by xygeneration
Tough call when you have
Racial issue
Gun control issue
In the mix
Wtf is the issue?
It's as if you're not paying any attention at all to the discussion.
The issue *before* looking at any others, is this:
The issue is the events that led up to the confrontation, and the disturbing message it sends about vigilantism because the justice system decided, mind-bogglingly, to give it a pass.
Zimmerman was not supposed to do what he did. He had no reason to do what he did (get out of his vehicle and pursue, especially as a neighbourhood watch member, and especially as an ARMED neighbourhood watch member - a major violation, and especially when the police were on their way and advised him to not interfere.)
Apparently all THAT ^^^ is alright to just ignore.
Zimmerman decided to stalk some kid and pick a fight. He was armed. The kid was not. The fight *allegedly* (keep in mind he had MONTHS to make his bullshit sound legit) went south on him, so he decided to shoot this kid in the heart.
Apparently the only issue worth pondering here is whether Zimmerman felt threatened during the fight.
Is it not obvious to anyone with a couple of fucking brain-cells that this is sort of a problem? (and the fact that the post-trial message is that it's actually OK to do what Zimmerman did, *intentionally*)?click to expand
ZImmerman was in his right to follow anybody, regardless of his watchman status. He was allowed to be armed, and legally he was able to ask for identification of Martin. Martin decided to beat the living day lights out of ZImmerman and realized then and they're that he was armed. If Trayvon kept verbal instead of fist, maybe a different outcome would of happened? There is no evidence that Zimmerman picked a fight, wanted to fight and you or I cannot come to any conclusions as none of us were there. But the defense made its case of the threatening injuries that occurred against Zimmerman and the Jury felt otherwise.
Posted by xygeneration
^ well as far as we are told
The defense presented this case and won the hearts of the jury. The prosecution did not have a leg to stand on and played the emotional card and the skittles scheme to win sympathy.
I ask because it would establish whether or not he was physically fit. That he could run, he could tackle.
Again, I also ask, Did Trayvon call the police?? He also had a cell phone.
Again, I also ask, Did Trayvon call the police?? He also had a cell phone.
Did Miss Jeantel tell Trayvon to run??
Again, I am having trouble with what exact definition of Racial Profiling is as applied to this
case.
All I see is a man who happens to live in the gated community, happens to be a neighbor watch captain,
happens to be "soft" in the way of physical self-defense. And he called Sanford police and SPD
asked him if the person was white, black or Hispanic - it only AFTER the police dispatch asked
that question that Zimmerman answered "looks black" - at the time he said that, he wasn't exactly
sure, but shortly later, he sees Trayvon and positively identifies him.
No doubt there is a lot of heads that are going to roll - this is big stuff -
No doubt there will be civil Wrongful Death trial - Civil Rights, I am very curious about
because I simply don't know what is allowable. - I get the impression you cannot describe someone's skin color, and you cannot describe what they are doing because the law says - that's racial profiling and that is criminal profiling -
Well. Why the hell bother calling the police. Let them kill your neighbor. And if you defend yourself, you're screwed. - IF that impression is the new world reality, this nation is deep doo for stupidity.
Somebody, please, clarify.
case.
All I see is a man who happens to live in the gated community, happens to be a neighbor watch captain,
happens to be "soft" in the way of physical self-defense. And he called Sanford police and SPD
asked him if the person was white, black or Hispanic - it only AFTER the police dispatch asked
that question that Zimmerman answered "looks black" - at the time he said that, he wasn't exactly
sure, but shortly later, he sees Trayvon and positively identifies him.
No doubt there is a lot of heads that are going to roll - this is big stuff -
No doubt there will be civil Wrongful Death trial - Civil Rights, I am very curious about
because I simply don't know what is allowable. - I get the impression you cannot describe someone's skin color, and you cannot describe what they are doing because the law says - that's racial profiling and that is criminal profiling -
Well. Why the hell bother calling the police. Let them kill your neighbor. And if you defend yourself, you're screwed. - IF that impression is the new world reality, this nation is deep doo for stupidity.
Somebody, please, clarify.
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