Power Turns People Into Assholes
This topic was created in the Pisces forum by haffo on Tuesday, February 6, 2007 and has 18 replies.
It Isn't Just a Myth, Power Turns People Into Assholes
We have been talking a lot about leadership in my Stanford class on Organizational Behavior: An Evidence-based Approach. Last week, we had a pretty detailed discussion about how and why putting people into powerful positions seems to turn them into selfish jerks.
I am sure that there are some people who are genetically pre-disposed to be nasty and there are some people who -- perhaps as a result of emotional and/or physical abuse during childhood -- turn into assholes. But there is also strong evidence that, no matter what our "personality" is, we all can turn into assholes under the wrong conditions.
Asshole poisoning as a disease that you catch from others, and I talk a lot about that in the book. It is also something that happens -- with shocking speed and intensity -- when people are put in powerful positions. My colleague at the Stanford Business School Deborah Gurenfeld and her colleagues have been studying the effects of power on human beings for over years, and the findings are clear: power turns people into selfish and insensitive jerks, who act as if the the rules that the rest of us have to follow don't apply to them.
We have been talking a lot about leadership in my Stanford class on Organizational Behavior: An Evidence-based Approach. Last week, we had a pretty detailed discussion about how and why putting people into powerful positions seems to turn them into selfish jerks.
I am sure that there are some people who are genetically pre-disposed to be nasty and there are some people who -- perhaps as a result of emotional and/or physical abuse during childhood -- turn into assholes. But there is also strong evidence that, no matter what our "personality" is, we all can turn into assholes under the wrong conditions.
Asshole poisoning as a disease that you catch from others, and I talk a lot about that in the book. It is also something that happens -- with shocking speed and intensity -- when people are put in powerful positions. My colleague at the Stanford Business School Deborah Gurenfeld and her colleagues have been studying the effects of power on human beings for over years, and the findings are clear: power turns people into selfish and insensitive jerks, who act as if the the rules that the rest of us have to follow don't apply to them.
"Power forces people to lose their humanity."
Because those people are stupid.
Because those people are stupid.
Human nature?
Read further:
Perhaps the best quick summary of this research is an article San Francisco Chronicle last Fall called on power and its evil effects, The article summarizes this large body of research -- now hundreds of studies -- as follows:
Research documents the following characteristics of people with power: They tend to be more oblivious to what others think, more likely to pursue the satisfaction of their own appetites, poorer judges of other people's reactions, more likely to hold stereotypes, overly optimistic and more likely to take risks.
It quotes one of Gruenfeld's main conclusions:
Disinhibition is the very root of power," said Stanford Professor Deborah Gruenfeld, a social psychologist who focuses on the study of power. "For most people, what we think of as 'power plays' aren't calculated and Machiavellian -- they happen at the subconscious level. Many of those internal regulators that hold most of us back from bold or bad behavior diminish or disappear. When people feel powerful, they stop trying to 'control themselves.'
To illustrate how rapidly such dis inhibition can happen, it describes the lovely little "cookie study" done by Gruenfeld and her colleagues:
One of the simplest and yet most fascinating experiments to test the thesis is the "cookie crumbles" experiment. Researchers placed college students in groups of three and gave them an artificial assignment -- collaboration on a short policy paper about a social issue. They then randomly assigned one of the students to evaluate the other two for points that would affect their ability to win a cash bonus. Having set up this artificial power hierarchy, researchers then casually brought to working trios plates containing five cookies.
They found that not only did the disinhibited "powerful" students eat more than their share of the cookies, they were more likely to chew with their mouths open and to scatter crumbs over the table.
The story also includes the personal experience that Gruenfeld often uses to start her talks on the effects of power:
Gruenfeld offers a similar example from her career in journalism when she occasionally met with Rolling Stone publisher Jann Wenner. She recalls that he routinely would swig vodka from a bottle and eat raw onions -- without ever offering to share -- "and it never even occurred to the rest of us, because it was understood that he had the power and we did not."
Read further:
Perhaps the best quick summary of this research is an article San Francisco Chronicle last Fall called on power and its evil effects, The article summarizes this large body of research -- now hundreds of studies -- as follows:
Research documents the following characteristics of people with power: They tend to be more oblivious to what others think, more likely to pursue the satisfaction of their own appetites, poorer judges of other people's reactions, more likely to hold stereotypes, overly optimistic and more likely to take risks.
It quotes one of Gruenfeld's main conclusions:
Disinhibition is the very root of power," said Stanford Professor Deborah Gruenfeld, a social psychologist who focuses on the study of power. "For most people, what we think of as 'power plays' aren't calculated and Machiavellian -- they happen at the subconscious level. Many of those internal regulators that hold most of us back from bold or bad behavior diminish or disappear. When people feel powerful, they stop trying to 'control themselves.'
To illustrate how rapidly such dis inhibition can happen, it describes the lovely little "cookie study" done by Gruenfeld and her colleagues:
One of the simplest and yet most fascinating experiments to test the thesis is the "cookie crumbles" experiment. Researchers placed college students in groups of three and gave them an artificial assignment -- collaboration on a short policy paper about a social issue. They then randomly assigned one of the students to evaluate the other two for points that would affect their ability to win a cash bonus. Having set up this artificial power hierarchy, researchers then casually brought to working trios plates containing five cookies.
They found that not only did the disinhibited "powerful" students eat more than their share of the cookies, they were more likely to chew with their mouths open and to scatter crumbs over the table.
The story also includes the personal experience that Gruenfeld often uses to start her talks on the effects of power:
Gruenfeld offers a similar example from her career in journalism when she occasionally met with Rolling Stone publisher Jann Wenner. She recalls that he routinely would swig vodka from a bottle and eat raw onions -- without ever offering to share -- "and it never even occurred to the rest of us, because it was understood that he had the power and we did not."
The cookie study and the Rolling Stone story are just bits of evidence -- this pattern is supported by hundreds of studies. The upshot off all this research is that power turns people into insensitive and selfish jerks, so any of us who are put in position of power are at risk of asshole poisoning.
There is also an interesting twist, however, that -- if you look at Jim Collins findings about Level 5 leaders in Good to Great as well as less well-known, but more rigorous academic research -- leaders who who are able to avoid the poison, and instead focus on the needs of the people around them, are apparently more likely to lead more effective organizations.
So there are good reasons to find ways to resist such poison. Some of the best ways are to reduce status differences between people at different levels and to have as few hierarchical levels as possible. Another way is to learn how to listen more and talk less.
There is also an interesting twist, however, that -- if you look at Jim Collins findings about Level 5 leaders in Good to Great as well as less well-known, but more rigorous academic research -- leaders who who are able to avoid the poison, and instead focus on the needs of the people around them, are apparently more likely to lead more effective organizations.
So there are good reasons to find ways to resist such poison. Some of the best ways are to reduce status differences between people at different levels and to have as few hierarchical levels as possible. Another way is to learn how to listen more and talk less.
It's all about social issues. Not human nature.
Probably you right. In core, they become more human.
But it is also stupidity. Not every element of human nature is efficient. That's why we have brains. To think.
But it is also stupidity. Not every element of human nature is efficient. That's why we have brains. To think.
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And, of course, a side effect of "asshole poisoning" is that the behavior of those vicitimized by it is also poisoned. Consider how us underlings respond to the overly optimistic, risk-taking, vodka-swilling, onion eating, etc asshole boss.We let him/her rant and rage, inwardly rolling our eyes, but we are not as likely to put our ideas, suggestions, warnings forth as strongly as we would if we were working for a non-asshole. Afterwards, we mutter, moan, or laugh about bad behavior, ignore or execute stupid orders, etc. But decisions and results are unlikely to be as effective as they would be if the head person were not an asshole.
(on the other hand, as you have often observed, even a non-asshole is capable of an occasional lapse - like cookie hogging and chewing with your mouth open - but with one of these occasional assholes, you can call them on their behavior, and the atmosphere is not poisoned.)
Posted by: Maureen Rogers | January 31, 2007 at 05:37 AM
There are three factors that make it hard to stay realistic, let alone humble, as you climb the ladder of success.
The Reality Distortion Field effect. The higher you go, the more people tell you want you want to hear instead of what you need to hear. Result: You only hear "news" that agrees with you.
The Ass-Kiss Factor. People will jump to do things to please you. "The wish of the commander has the effect of an order." Result: you smallest wishes are instantly gratified.
The Competitive Advantage. Most folks who climb high on the corporate ladder are competitive by nature. Often they're too competitive and need to win all the time, even when discussing things with subordinates. Result: people don't push hard, because you have power over them and you get the idea that you're always right.
Posted by: Wally Bock | January 31, 2007 at 07:26 AM
Maureen,
I think you have nailed it. We are capable of being demeaning and of being inconsiderate pigs. Being occasional or temporary assholes, the questions are:
1. Are we in a place where people feel safe -- even obligated -- to stop us.
2. Are we the kind of person who others feel safe to send the message to?
3. Are we the kind of person who can hear and learn from the message?
Posted by: Bob Sutton | January 31, 2007 at 07:28 AM
Well as Stilgar points out the original meaning of the Fremen 'naib' is 'servant of the people'.
. We've known for a long-time what an L5 leader should do - otherwise why would Harun al-Rashid be famous for walking the streets of Baghdad ? But how to train leaders and inculcate that wisdom more frequently is an interesting problem.If anyone's interested one of the best examples of a Level 6 leader who pursued great goals but enlisted the active support of extremely strong and wilful subordinates is in 'Team of Rivals'.
Closer to home the military seems to do a better job these days by creating great leaders at all levels by emphasing the responsibilities and trusts required for coherence in stressful situations. Perhaps some lessona and techniques that could be adopted in the private sector ?
Thanks for the pointers.
Posted by: dblwyo | January 31, 2007 at 09:24 AM
It isn't just having power that can turn people into assholes - wanting power in daily relations can, too. "The Exception" by Christian Jungersen describes this brilliantly - how people supposedly acting to do good can be horribly mean to eachother. I cannot recommend it enough for this description - even though the book later on turns into a action novel.
Posted by: Anobi | February 02, 2007 at 04:30 AM
"So when people become powerful, they become more uninhibited? This means that they become more human. I can agree with this, because I do beleive that humans are inherently evil"
Branh, why do you think this? that people are inheretly evil? I believe the opposite is true. Have you read about the prison experiment that was done by Dr. Zimbardo in the early 70s? you should really check it out, if you haven't. It's a real eye-opener and delves into that type of extremity. THen tell me what you think
Branh, why do you think this? that people are inheretly evil? I believe the opposite is true. Have you read about the prison experiment that was done by Dr. Zimbardo in the early 70s? you should really check it out, if you haven't. It's a real eye-opener and delves into that type of extremity. THen tell me what you think
Piscesgrl
Try to google it up. People inherently are selfish. Not evil.
Try to google it up. People inherently are selfish. Not evil.
Haffo, I know, those weren't my written words but a quote. I was disputing that. But selfish, yes, I can believe it
Solitas
It is true. What you are talking about is what it should be not what it usually is. It is real that most people turn into assholes when power is given to them. Even kids become like this not just adults.
It is true. What you are talking about is what it should be not what it usually is. It is real that most people turn into assholes when power is given to them. Even kids become like this not just adults.
Free will is used when the person is aware of it.
Most people are not aware of it and therefore are not responsible.
Very few people know how to use their power constructively.
Most people are not aware of it and therefore are not responsible.
Very few people know how to use their power constructively.
""Free will is used when the person is aware of it."
That makes no sense whatsoever."
Very few people are aware of their responsibilities when it comes to dealing with power on their hands.
" "Very few people know how to use their power constructively."
Based on?"
Based on??? What do you mean?
That makes no sense whatsoever."
Very few people are aware of their responsibilities when it comes to dealing with power on their hands.
" "Very few people know how to use their power constructively."
Based on?"
Based on??? What do you mean?
It may sound trite, but with every bad leader, there are many good ones..'and somebody has to lead, add focus and inspiration to the team or its cause. i think leadership is (very) much needed, and yet does not always have to equate with 'power. For power is of course not absolute; leaders should have to, and always be held just as accountable, as anyone. If i were a leader, i certainly wouldn't want to be seen as powerful; only approachable, well-informed and easy to talk with; if something wasn't understood, or there was a problem. To me a good leader is encouraging, inspiring, interested in others ideas and input, and only wants what is good for all. They do not always need to be the dictators, if hopefully they are working around good people, in the first place. However, on the other hand, there are some people in the world who do not respond to kindness or fairness for whatever reasons; jealousy being one of them ..'as solitas mentioned, or just plain laziness. Thankfully most people don't mind being held up to certain standards, as paychecks have to be earned. Respect works both ways. Sometimes you do get what you give out in life...
-With that being said, cruel, bad (leaders) do certainly exist, have always existed. i see no leadership or respect given or taken, and unfortunately seniority and status is what still keeps many of them 'in power.' ..so all in all, it works both ways.
-With that being said, cruel, bad (leaders) do certainly exist, have always existed. i see no leadership or respect given or taken, and unfortunately seniority and status is what still keeps many of them 'in power.' ..so all in all, it works both ways.
It doesn't help when people continue to vote in the same leaders, who continue to lie each election, it's no wonder they believe they can do whatever they want and forget to be of service.
DC .. you like to dig. That's not relevant to the topic, I know ..
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