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I'm Pisces; a stupid fish I guess? and I'll have to agree with all of you about Pisces being sweet on the outside and cold, shameless people on the inside. I'm very cold...and I DO love seeing people in pain (when I cause it) guess you could say I'm a bit twisted. Oh well. I was born a natural leader. I don't follow anyones orders. I'm head strong and very very stubborn. I'm cocky. I'm rude. I like saying shocking things that disturb people. When I think I'm right...I think I'm right, and no one can tell me otherwise. People love me when they first meet me, but soon enough; I reveal my true intentions. sometimes...just sometimes...I don't unnecessarily mean to be cold and insensitive...it comes out anyways, and hurts a lot of people. I remember the one day when my mom came crying to me that I was just a little too much for her to handle...she pleaded me to obey her and follow orders...to help her with chores. As I saw her crying, pleading face overflowing with tears. Something sparkled in me. I knew at that moment...that I enjoyed people begging at my feet. In pain...in need. I enjoyed it....continuing with the story...I started laughing at my mom...and she cried even more. I felt SORTA pained inside from seeing my mother that way, not much though. but on the outside I was laughing my head off. Why, just today I made my little brother cry, by calling him a "sissy"...and "titty boy", I can't stand how sensitive he is. So, I egg him on further... and I tell him to punch me. I let him... because I wanted to see more of that precious thing we call "anger" I wanted to see that blazing fire in him lash out at me. what I say here is true...and yes, sometimes I feel a little guilty for being this way...my true evil intentions will always be by my side :]

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Holy...I just looked up the "profile of a sociopath"....and it's so freaking utterly TRUE!
# Glibness and Superficial Charm

# Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

# Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

# Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

# Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

# Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

# Incapacity for Love

# Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

# Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

# Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

# Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

# Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dre
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Twisted doesn't come close to describing you. One day, you're going to be in need and crying at your mothers feet in anguish .... good luck with getting compassion, since it obviously isn't deserved.


#1 Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Appears charming? Not hardly.
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Why do Pisces people enjoy watching others suffer?

I haven't witnessed that in the Real World, but I have seen some Fishes play games with posters on DXP - and even take pride in it...

Each person plays to his/her strengths in dealing with others. Pisces are intuitive & sensitive, so it makes sense for them to work with the emotions of others in ways that further their own interests. But... don't Virgos do something similar? We are inclined to service, and we will make ourselves indispensible to others, and doesn't that work to our advantage in the long run?

Self interest is in the eye of the beholder...

Interpersonal relationships are a complex mix, but just sticking with the astrological components: A Water Sign is going to deal with social situations differently than an Earth Sign, and each is probably inclined to view the other with suspicion or disapproval from a lack of understanding. I've mentioned this before in a thread about Gemini & Pisces communication differences being at the root of my mistrust with these two Signs, and maybe that's part of your experience, too.
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I hate watching people suffer! It really bums me out. I have stayed with ex-boyfriends longer than I should have, just to make sure it was a better time in their life to deal with it. Perhaps there is some truth to the fact that Pisces are manipulative by nature, but perhaps that's not always a negative. We are typically a good judge of people and can often sense how to finesse certain situations to benefit us. If someone takes it to a selfish and negative place, then shame on them......but that's not how we all are.

Every sign has qualities that can be construed in a negative way. I have heard that Virgo's can be quite selfish in a relationship, and while they do take care of their lovers, they tend to make sure that they always do what THEY want to do....not what their lovers want to do.....

Some would say selfish, some might say empowering....depends on where you take it.
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hey, this is new piscean memer here. Just wanted to share...that i have had a not so pleasant experience with a virgo....who was my colleague..senior in experience, but he used to treat me like I did not know anything and could not do anything myself...and that i should treat him like a boss and do my work on his orders........that was too much and my opinion for them has changed................same is for my virgo mother...she just thinks she is too perfect and no one in the world is good enough for her.....i love her but feel sorry to say that she is one of the most selfish person i know.....Virgos are too much for the sensitive piscean...
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bijou, it's not hard to love at all .. the problem is that it's all within an illusion of what love means that how it's expressed .. all within this dream.

So, naturally, there's no possible way that any living person could measure up to be this ideal person, who is perfect in every way.

The Fish meets someone, starts to have a relationship with this person, and suddenly, they become dis-illusioned >>>> reality hits.

Pisces people love, and love and love .. completely/totally, inside of this bubble .. and it's easier than anything else in this world for us to do. But, then we have to apply this love to REAL people, and we can't because it isn't possible.

Pisces swim downstream in a relationship with a live person.
Pisces swim upstream in a relationship within the bubble.
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This is my opinion: Pisces tend to be hurt easily because of our sensitive side that is often butchered by peoples insensitivity. When a Pisces seeks revenge, in my opinion, a pisces seeks REAL revenge. I've dated a virgo befor and to say the least they're insensitive assholes who are nit-picky and do a little more then needed (not for the good, though). Pisces can be manipulative, mean, and overly emotional but alot of the time it's been provoked. Pisces aren't the type to just go after people, so to the person who's experienced negative experiences with a Pisces, 9 time outta 10, with the exception of that 1, it was your fault.
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"I've dated a virgo befor and to say the least they're insensitive assholes who are nit-picky and do a little more then needed (not for the good, though). Pisces can be manipulative, mean, and overly emotional but alot of the time it's been provoked. Pisces aren't the type to just go after people, so to the person who's experienced negative experiences with a Pisces, 9 time outta 10, with the exception of that 1, it was your fault."



I've dealt with Virgo's before, Magenta .. and have felt this very way before many times. For me, as it pertains to my sensitivity, and him being insensitive, which causes me to want to cut straight to his quick ... is based around the Virgo's oblivion to serving with care.

A Virgo will be very sensitive to a person, and caring for their feelings, and serving/accommodating profusely .. however, the problem that arises is that it's from their perspective of what you need and want, rather than from your perspective of what you need and want.

To do for another is great .. however, this doing has to be FOR the other person to enjoy or have if it's to be valued FOR the other persons benefit. Unfortunately, the Virgo will do for another according to what the Virgo, themself, deems is in your best interest, or what the Virgo thinks is right for you.


And this is where, from my experience .. the whole issue comes into play where the Virgo feels like the Pisces is mean to them and likes to see them suffer .... because from the Virgo perspective, what they do for you should be honored because it was from the heart. Whereas, from the Piscean perspective, it was being insensitive because this doing wasn't from a heart that wants to know the recievers heart = for the Virgos benefit of feeling like they gave, when in reality, they didn't give to the Pisces for the Piscean benefit ... because it was for the Virgo satisfaction of being a giver, exclusively.
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HELLO KITTY!!!

L.O.L, say that to Piscean Osama bin Laden, virguy Evan! The MOST badass of the baddies, yes..? 🙂 ..he'll have you climbing them sharp rocky mid-east hills in NO time, toute suite!!

NAAhhhh, it's gotta be them virgo librarians, mathemeticians (sp?) and accountants who are the real rowdies. 🙂 lower my taxes by 75% , then you're real BA material, too. =)

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I wouldn't describ "badass" as wonderful personalities and super cool .... but to each his own.



Pisces don't necessarily enjoy suffering .. however, we have next to zero tolerance for martyrs .. and 9 times out of 10 we will NOT run to their aid because we see it as being self-inflicted.

Martyrs are NOT victims, from our perspective.

If someone enjoys suffering .. then by all means, enjoy.

But, don't expect a Pisces to come rescue you .. for you.

If you don't want to suffer any longer, then don't allow yourself to endure something you don't have to.
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Posted by virgoheart
DCVirgs: Thetis: Thanks for not bashing me! I just think Pisces people take it to another level....the darkest, most evil and inhumane level possible. It scares the **** out of me! I always protect myself against Pisces people....you never now what is lurking behind their sweet, kind and sensitive exterior....I have never experienced such a lack of sensitivity before....please explain....



Oh come on now, don't be a drama queen..



Ditto Cathy! I can't believe someone could actually feel this way about a Pisces!!! All the Pisces I know (including myself) are way too kind in most instances (at times..doormats) and very compassionate! I would never be evil or hurt someone especially just for the sake of being mean and manipulative just to be that. In order for me even to lash out at all a person would have to do something very horrifically mean to me. I actually hate to even hurt people's feelings and I am even talking about people I hardly know! This thread just seems so odd to me but I guess maybe some Pisces are a bit more mean-spirited according to some that posted in this thread that they are. I just haven't really experienced it I guess. Anything's possible but I wouldn't just say it's Pisces but I would say you would have to look at the whole chart as well as how that person was brought up or what they have been through in their life. Just my opinion.
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As a Pisces, I know how shut down I've become over the years. When I was young I was always so tough, people would call me stuff like "a delicate flower" until they were around me, or played sports with me. I was very competitive but it all came from a deep rooted insecurity that I wasn't the best and that I was delicate and clumsy. The love of my life a Scorpio told me recently that I am the most self absorbed person he knows. It really hurt me because he of all people is someone that I've always wanted to show and tell that I love him. But I've held it in for 8 years, I never told him I loved him because I felt that he was also like me. We've both admired each others ability to be tough and not show emotions outwardly but have broken each others hearts. I just said I love you and he did too and finally I feel that I am being real.
I just want to say that a lot of Pisces are just plain scared. If they seem tough and cruel, it's because they are hurting somewhere really deep. Also, because we can be highly delusional when we are not centered we might not even realized we've turned into someone cold because in our own eyes, we are still this "delicate little flower" but to everyone else we have grown into as I've been called "a terminating transforming robot" or the like. Pisces also do a lot of "watching and waiting" we are highly aware of everything that is going on around us, for safety even though we act like we are on cloud 9. So sometimes if a Pisces catches you in a fib, it will begin to build the wall of distrust and then the axe comes down and it seems like it's out of no where.
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Another thing would be if there is a Pisces who has crossed certain milestones and overcome the stereotypes of dreamy, lazy, etc and have learned to keep things in check. We are so worried that we will fall back into bad behavior that we get really tough with anyone who exhibits these traits? Like a smoker who quits smoking and scolds everyone around for smoking or something like that.

Notes on change. I usually watch a persons behavior, being fairly in tune with people I've learned they can't be changed so I have always backed off when someone gets me mad instead of doing anything about it. I try to be sensitive to others feelings and if I feel someone is pushing me too hard and not respecting me, why would I attack them? They are the master of their ship.
But at the same time, I'm learning how to communicate and not use the power that I have to control my contact with a person (as in, my ability to not call and to back away) to manipulate them. I am learning to share my heart and express anger, frustration, hurt and the hardest of all deep love. Sometimes I have a harder time expressing deep feelings because I am worried about how they will be perceived.

All this to say, we are pretty difficult to figure out, even for ourselves. But know this. Once a Pisces trusts or finds something that a person gives them emotionally that fulfills us we will be loyal forever no matter or degenerate or difficult you are. I have a lot of Virgo friends and I have to say, but I've also had Virgos basically stalk me after I broke up with them too. That is because going in, they pretended to be tough but ended up saying they were a certain way and they weren't and I fell for the "strong individual who has his own life" not what came after when I was busy and had to work. Does this make sense? To thine own self be true and you will be loved by someone great no matter what sign.

Life is all about loving who you are with and if it doesn't work out you move on. Phew a lot of writing. But next time you talk to this "Rotten pisces" just say something like "I wish I knew how to make you put down your sword" or "I wish I knew the right way to get how you feel" if she screams "you never will" then just look at her and say "I will give you the space you need and do my own thing, but know you mean a lot to me". Be firm, kind and NOT NEEDY!!! Cheers!

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I love it when this threads comes up, for it makes me always go back and read this lady's thoughts in her threads.


And it becomes apparant that she's a pity freak. If people don't feel sorry for her, then she thinks they're mean.


It's seems very odd to me that a Virgo would stoop to such a low level ... and so it makes me wonder what has happened in her life that she thinks she needs pity to feel whole.
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I'd like to get some input on this issue here as well. I am a Gemini who is deeply in love with a Pisces woman and for the last 8 years it has been a roller coaster ride. She is an older woman and I gave her a letter expressing how I wanted to have a relationship with her. I gave her the letter around Christmas several years ago and she cried after reading it. I also had some flowers sent to work(we both worked at the same place at that time) and she told me that she figured it was me who sent them because only I would be that sweet. After reading the letter I gave her she said she would think about it and about a month later she told me that she didn't want a relationship. This was most likely due to the significant age interest. However there seemed to be some signs from her that she might have been ambivalent about her feelings. I guess it's possible that I could have misread her signals. I've heard and read that Pisces can be manipulative(I know that everybody is an individual and I don't want to generalize here but it feels like she might have taken advantage of my good nature and played me) I absolutely adore this woman and am devastated over this whole affair. I know others have been through similar or worse situations but I would love to get other peoples thoughts on this matter. I've been nursing this wound for a long time and I don't think I'll ever get over her.
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If you have been crushing on a person for 8 years, while they told you that they didn't want a relationship with you, but, you continued to give of yourself anyway due to you being powerless to stop yourself .. isn't her taking advantage of your good nature.


It's one thing to crush on someone for several months, maybe up to 7 ... but, 8 years?


Your issue has nothing to do with her ... and everything to do with you.


You seriously need to check yourself.
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Posted by virgoheart
Inquiring Virgo here! Please don't get offended, just wondering: What's up with you so-called "sensitive" Pisces? You are only sensitive to yourselves. I have seen many of you take pleasure in others' suffering! And you are so stubborn! Soft on the outside, but hard as a rock on the inside. Opposite of Virgo, hard on the outside but soft and mushy on the inside!



i do not enjoy 'watching people suffer', as you put it...even if it were someone who truly (in my opinion) deserved it...

i do, however, frequently find myself...vividly imagining (call it 'fantasize' if you will) situations where the ones i loathe encounter some type of gruesomely horrifying demise...lol

i'd never wish something like that on someone in a real sense, though...

--Jack
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Posted by EusiveSoulll
^^^^ Love the sarcasm that your post is oozing with lol


But on the serious note... thread gave me headache by the second page :/



Yeah I didn't read every post, way too negative.
It sounded like it was made from a very bitter place, blaming an entire astrological group.
I mean.. seriously?

Glad you like the sarcasm 😉
Plenty more where that came from haha.
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This thread caught my attention because I think I might be the victim of a Pisces woman. First I'd like to give a little background information. 8 years ago I fell in love with a woman who worked at the same place. She was going through some rough times and I decided to send her some flowers. At the end of the work day I asked her if she liked the flowers ans she said something along these lines-"Only you could have been that sweet" Right before Christmas I gave her some presents along with a letter expressing interest in having a relationship with her. She cried after reading it and said that she would have to think about it. Then in early February she said that she just wanted to be friends. There is a significant age difference between us(18 years) and I think that might have had something to do with it. Despite this there seem to be some indications(because of some things she said) that she might have had some romantic feelings. It's possible that I was misreading her due to the fact that I was in love with her.

She told me about some of her past relationships and that she was hurt. I've heard that Pisces can retreat into a protective shell if they've been hurt a lot and that this can last for years, but for some reason I think I might have been played. I see her sporadically from time to time but we never get a chance to talk. I absolutely adore this woman and although I'm trying to establish a relationship with another woman I can't get this out of my mind. This whole situation has devastated me and made me very sad and depressed. I'm a Gemini and I've heard conflicting things about the compatibility between Pisces and Geminis-some sites say that they're compatible and others that they're not. I was curious to know what others on this forum might have to say regarding this and if other guys have had similar experiences with Pisces women. I realize that you can't generalize with these sorts of things but I'm just wondering if this might be a pattern with this particular woman. Sorry if I'm rambling I just thought it might help to give some background info.
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I am afraid I have done something like this myself before. It is not becuase I like others to be in pain. But if someone does me wrong, and hurts me I try to hurt them too. I am sensitive, and I really do try to make people happy normally. But pisces being sensitive doesnt mean they cant be cruel. I can be mean, and hard, cold and merciless. It is not because I like to see the pain in someone else it is some kind of revenge sometimes. Or when I really dont care about someone (I normally care about everyone, and I would hate to see someone suffer I dont know, but some people just seem to deserve to feel some pain too) I dont care about them suffering. I sometimes even think it is their own fault and stupidity and I am not willing to help them. I dont know why I am like this but it jsut the way it is.
I really dont like people to suffer but sometimes I feel like they deserve it and I dont care.
That doesnt make me a bad person, or insensitive, I dont hurt people on purpose, but depending on who they are I dont care of they are hurting.

I dont know if its about being a pisces or just about being human. Fish, as we are, can be sensitive, or better we are sensitive and emotional and we dont like to hurt others in general. But the shark is a fish too, and everyone has a dark side.
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Re: piranhaparadise.

I agree with you that a lot of people do tend to read things into situations that aren't there and in my original post I did admit that due to the fact that I was in love with this woman it's possible that I could have misread her signals. It is true that she said she didn't want a relationship. But there are situations in which people say one thing and despite what they say they might feel something else.This happens all the time and for a multitude of reasons-he or she might not be sure how they really feel about a person or a situation, they're afraid of opening up because they feel vulnerable due to past hurts, or they're just not interested in the person in a romantic way, etc. As I also mentioned, there were various things that were said by her and various situations that occurred that indicated to me that she might have been ambivalent about her feelings. In other words it's not as cut and dried as you make it out to be. Also it's not unheard of for men and women to manipulate or play people. If I implied that because she remained friendly toward me that she played me, that definitely wasn't my intention. I seem to have struck a nerve here and I'm kind of curious to know why that's the case. You're also correct in saying that no one forced me to buy her gifts and that is definitely not the reason I thought I was played-I'm not superficial like that. I don't think it was fair of you to characterize me in that manner and seemed like a cheap shot to me. Anyway, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest here. I just want to make it clear that I agree with certain things that you said but I just think that in some cases there is room for some degree of doubt-many times we don't even know our own selves very well that's the reason why the mental health field is booming.
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Posted by colin68
Re: piranhaparadise.

I agree with you that a lot of people do tend to read things into situations that aren't there and in my original post I did admit that due to the fact that I was in love with this woman it's possible that I could have misread her signals. It is true that she said she didn't want a relationship. But there are situations in which people say one thing and despite what they say they might feel something else.This happens all the time and for a multitude of reasons-he or she might not be sure how they really feel about a person or a situation, they're afraid of opening up because they feel vulnerable due to past hurts, or they're just not interested in the person in a romantic way, etc. As I also mentioned, there were various things that were said by her and various situations that occurred that indicated to me that she might have been ambivalent about her feelings. In other words it's not as cut and dried as you make it out to be. Also it's not unheard of for men and women to manipulate or play people. If I implied that because she remained friendly toward me that she played me, that definitely wasn't my intention. I seem to have struck a nerve here and I'm kind of curious to know why that's the case. You're also correct in saying that no one forced me to buy her gifts and that is definitely not the reason I thought I was played-I'm not superficial like that. I don't think it was fair of you to characterize me in that manner and seemed like a cheap shot to me. Anyway, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest here. I just want to make it clear that I agree with certain things that you said but I just think that in some cases there is room for some degree of doubt-many times we don't even know our own selves very well that's the reason why the mental health field is booming.




You're stupid.

And when it's pointed out to you ... you come back and prove to everyone that you are actually stupid.
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this person to whom you have decided to be a douchebag for (Pisces woman) isn't interested, so because she isn't interested and it makes you feel stupid while deciding that you will instead turn it around and say you were being played, you carry it further into a forum in hopes that you can find another person to agree with you ....

what you describe is that you're an idiot for deciding to be giving of yourself to a person who doesnt' give a shit ... and that makes you incredibly ignorant.





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Posted by virgoheart
Inquiring Virgo here! Please don't get offended, just wondering: What's up with you so-called "sensitive" Pisces? You are only sensitive to yourselves. I have seen many of you take pleasure in others' suffering! And you are so stubborn! Soft on the outside, but hard as a rock on the inside. Opposite of Virgo, hard on the outside but soft and mushy on the inside!



I have a virgo moon so I'm gonna answer that. Pisces enjoy watching others suffer only if that person deserves it.
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I would like to add my 2 cents! 🙂 I am pisces sun cancer rising and virgo moon

Virgoheart--I do understand what you are talking about. While I am a pisces and know many kind pisces, there can always be sad, angry and manipulative pisces out there as well. I've seen in firsthand. I am not sure if it has to do with the upbringing or if rheumatic experiences impacted them in such a way as to hate the world. My uncle is this kind of pisces. Thought he was a good guy. Come to find out he had been cheating on my aunt, lying to friends and family and swindling people out of money in business. He was extremely manipulative and "used" his pisces charm in a very bad way. While most pisces are emotional and kind, sometimes they can go the other way. Also, since I have a virgo moon I understand because I am constantly at odds with myself and with my wants and needs. On one hand I am very sensitive and emotional, but then on the other I can be detached and nervous. It is hard finding a healthy balance between the two.