Not too serious but...

First... the story: I met a Scorpio chick in the second half of 2011... for me, it was one of those sudden attraction...

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by David13 on Monday, April 1, 2013 and has 207 replies.
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Hi David,
I'm sorry to see you go through so much frustration with this Scorp.
Do you feel this will get better, worse or stay the same?
Perhaps you are more compatible with a delicious Crab with a fire stellium. Winking
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Yes, happy belated birthday David!
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Posted by LunarMaiden
Hi David,
I'm sorry to see you go through so much frustration with this Scorp.
Do you feel this will get better, worse or stay the same?
Perhaps you are more compatible with a delicious Crab with a fire stellium. Winking

Hard to say. I'm actaully a 'nice' guy... I hate dicks... and I hate to have to be a dick... but it will remain the same to keep being 'understanding'. It can only get better OR worse from here... either we never speak again OR she gives me some sort of indication that I have some importance in her life.
You know... her history is just more stable than this. She lost her virginity at 17... staying with that guy for 10 years. She was with her daughter's father for a number of years too (don't recall how many). Then there was another guy that lasted for 6 years... and THEN the 'year and a half' relationship that ended in November... so THAT was really her shortest one... at least of what I know.
Hmmmm... a Crab with a fire stellium... hmmmm... do you think it would be better ? Winking
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Posted by 87scorpio
I'm just speculating, only she knows the reason. I would have it out with her. Give her some shit. I think it's well deserved. Or just walk away and don't speak to her again, that'd probably piss her off more.

I tried putting myself in her shoes on this today... as if it were me to cancel like she did. The only thing that I could come up with would be the case that I WANTED the other person to break with me. I haven't heard from her... and I haven't followed up... maybe it worked out for her as she wanted it to.
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Posted by IntriguedScorp
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID!!! THANK YOU INTRIGUED !!!
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Posted by lnana04
Yes, happy belated birthday David!

THANK YOU INANA04 !!!
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Posted by everevolvingepithet
Maybe treat yourself again for your birthday away from the stress of this chick and do whatever makes you happy, then get back to her with a hopefully clearer head space?

We'll see. It might be childish of me... but I am just not sure I can forgive her for this one... though it might help if she offered some kind of apology... gave me a REAL 'what's going on in my head' update. Again... we will see.
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Posted by LunarMaiden
Hi David,
I'm sorry to see you go through so much frustration with this Scorp.
Do you feel this will get better, worse or stay the same?
Perhaps you are more compatible with a delicious Crab with a fire stellium. Winking

Hard to say. I'm actaully a 'nice' guy... I hate dicks... and I hate to have to be a dick... but it will remain the same to keep being 'understanding'. It can only get better OR worse from here... either we never speak again OR she gives me some sort of indication that I have some importance in her life.
You know...
Hmmmm... a Crab with a fire stellium... hmmmm... do you think it would be better ? Winking
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I'm not sure if a Crab with a fire stellium is better but you would certainly be balled up in the fetus position, sucking your thumb and purring like a kitten. LOL, I'm pulling your horns David, apologies for the derail....
It's so wonderful that you are a nice guy, however nice guys have to demand respect and should be respected and treated like the gold they are. I don't think setting limits makes you a dick. What are you gut instincts telling you to do?
I think you may need to show a strong arm and perhaps tie this woman up and spank her stinger.
As you can see by the comments and bondage thread, Scorpio women desire to be submissives.

She needs to respect you, and for some women being too understanding, willing to do anything for them comes off as pushover. Scorpio women need strong males who will put them in their place when need be. Her Cancer moon wants a strong male too yet sensitive and understanding. I think you should be yourself regardless, but there comes a time when you must put your foot down. Women need this. I'm not saying be a full on bastard. Even though some women love those types. I think there is a healthy mid point between good guy and jerk. I like my men to have a touch of jerk in them. Winking Like some men like their women to have a touch of bitch in them.
Many Scorpio women find themselves in relationships/marriage with Aries/Leo males. Which is interesting....
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Posted by xygeneration
^ it can go either way. Scorp and cancer relationship from what ive seen though is far from being equal in control/power.
My scorp grandma is really bossy towards my cancer grandpa.
Family friend- scorp woman bossed around by cancer man.
Lobster and crab relationship.


One will boss the other, that's for sure.
My Cancer Aunt is bossy toward my Scorpio mom.
They live together and are watching a movie together right now. LOL
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Hello, David. You have an Aries Moon and Venus, and a Sag Mars. Why do you have a problem giving her a piece of your mind? If she returns, she'll need a strong dose of honesty, aries/sag style . Also, caring for people doesn't make you a lesser person, so don't use terms such as the "rebound guy", that's just a negative stereotype. You don't have to pay with your confidence for her behaviour. You've been a gentleman, don't count that as a shortcoming.
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Posted by ellessque
David has an aries moon?
Confused


....and a Leo ascendant. Wonder why the bull isn't raging yet.
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Posted by trine
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David has an aries moon?
Confused


....and a Leo ascendant. Wonder why the bull isn't raging yet.
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David is probably either simmering (internalizing), trying to stay calm, or has learned to control his rage and show some patience.
Many Bulls are slow to anger, especially with people they have strong feelings for.
I also think he's too hurt by her actions and doesn't want to hurt her as well.
David can correct me if I'm mistaken.
However, I know a fire Bull male with a Sag moon, Aries Mercury, and Leo Mars who snapped back at me pretty quickly when we had a disagreement. And that was the first time we met in person. LOL
Having a feminine earth/water sun and masculine fire stellium doesn't always mean you will be quick to anger, it could actually make you more light hearted and laid back. But don't push it, there is fire under the cool, calm sweet exterior. Many of us have learned to control those impulses.
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This thread got very busy while I was out !
I don't know... I still have a couple personal items of hers... but the general concensus here is that I shouldn't just mail them to her ??? That I should let the metamorphosis that is Taurus out ??? You CANNOT be serious !!! It is very frightful... I stood against seven guys in a nightclub once because ONE of them grabbed my girlfriend-at-the-time's ass ! Probably lucky that a bouncer came to break it up... lucky for THEM !
I'm afraid of myself when this happens... these days... I have just prefered having my peace. I am more disappointed in her than frustrated... she never pushed my buttons precisely... my transition requires anger... which I don't have at the moment... she never threw anything in my face... THAT is what causes the snap.
I will think carefully about putting myself in such a position to let it out... everyone here seems to believe that it would only reel her in... but I cannot do it this weekend... she has her daughter... I can't make this kind of scene with her present. For now... I will count on her not having closure... if she should get angry at ME while she waits... well then the rest will come as expected... which is the UN-expected.
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Posted by David13
This thread got very busy while I was out !
I don't know... I still have a couple personal items of hers... but the general concensus here is that I shouldn't just mail them to her ??? That I should let the metamorphosis that is Taurus out ??? You CANNOT be serious !!! It is very frightful... I stood against seven guys in a nightclub once because ONE of them grabbed my girlfriend-at-the-time's ass ! Probably lucky that a bouncer came to break it up... lucky for THEM !
I'm afraid of myself when this happens... these days... I have just prefered having my peace. I am more disappointed in her than frustrated... she never pushed my buttons precisely... my transition requires anger... which I don't have at the moment... she never threw anything in my face... THAT is what causes the snap.
I will think carefully about putting myself in such a position to let it out... everyone here seems to believe that it would only reel her in... but I cannot do it this weekend... she has her daughter... I can't make this kind of scene with her present. For now... I will count on her not having closure... if she should get angry at ME while she waits... well then the rest will come as expected... which is the UN-expected.



Do you see a future if she apologizes?
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I am completely baffled WHY some of you ladies are encouraging David to loss his cool? How unhealthy is that? IMO that is just seeking drama...
My Aries Moon works similar. I have to be MOVED to anger. If someone is doing passive aggressive, stupid, self-serving behaviour... they are going to meet indifference from me. I'm sure the female in question would LOVE to receive a passionate response, perhaps to confirm feelings. It's sounds like manipulative tests to me and real emotions have to be present for that to work.
How is David supposed to have real emotions when she won't let him get close to her emotionally? she's her own worst enemy... and the saddest thing is she seems to know it and is resolved to live like this UNLESS she does't get what she wants. Maybe that will move her. Can't help someone who is not willing to help themselves...
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Posted by David13
This thread got very busy while I was out !
I don't know... I still have a couple personal items of hers... but the general concensus here is that I shouldn't just mail them to her ??? That I should let the metamorphosis that is Taurus out ??? You CANNOT be serious !!! It is very frightful... I stood against seven guys in a nightclub once because ONE of them grabbed my girlfriend-at-the-time's ass ! Probably lucky that a bouncer came to break it up... lucky for THEM !
I'm afraid of myself when this happens... these days... I have just prefered having my peace. I am more disappointed in her than frustrated... she never pushed my buttons precisely... my transition requires anger... which I don't have at the moment... she never threw anything in my face... THAT is what causes the snap.
I will think carefully about putting myself in such a position to let it out... everyone here seems to believe that it would only reel her in... but I cannot do it this weekend... she has her daughter... I can't make this kind of scene with her present. For now... I will count on her not having closure... if she should get angry at ME while she waits... well then the rest will come as expected... which is the UN-expected.



Do you see a future if she apologizes?
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Have to get passed the present moment first... I can always see a future... but I don't live there. She has always been the the one to confirm that we have no future... didn't stop her from coming around.
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Posted by David13
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This thread got very busy while I was out !
I don't know... I still have a couple personal items of hers... but the general concensus here is that I shouldn't just mail them to her ??? That I should let the metamorphosis that is Taurus out ??? You CANNOT be serious !!! It is very frightful... I stood against seven guys in a nightclub once because ONE of them grabbed my girlfriend-at-the-time's ass ! Probably lucky that a bouncer came to break it up... lucky for THEM !
I'm afraid of myself when this happens... these days... I have just prefered having my peace. I am more disappointed in her than frustrated... she never pushed my buttons precisely... my transition requires anger... which I don't have at the moment... she never threw anything in my face... THAT is what causes the snap.
I will think carefully about putting myself in such a position to let it out... everyone here seems to believe that it would only reel her in... but I cannot do it this weekend... she has her daughter... I can't make this kind of scene with her present. For now... I will count on her not having closure... if she should get angry at ME while she waits... well then the rest will come as expected... which is the UN-expected.



Do you see a future if she apologizes?

Have to get passed the present moment first... I can always see a future... but I don't live there. She has always been the the one to confirm that we have no future... didn't stop her from coming around.
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Guess you'll have to let the dust settle, then. She has to clearly know where she erred, though.
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Posted by shellshocker
I am completely baffled WHY some of you ladies are encouraging David to loss his cool? How unhealthy is that? IMO that is just seeking drama...
My Aries Moon works similar. I have to be MOVED to anger. If someone is doing passive aggressive, stupid, self-serving behaviour... they are going to meet indifference from me. I'm sure the female in question would LOVE to receive a passionate response, perhaps to confirm feelings. It's sounds like manipulative tests to me and real emotions have to be present for that to work.
How is David supposed to have real emotions when she won't let him get close to her emotionally? she's her own worst enemy... and the saddest thing is she seems to know it and is resolved to live like this UNLESS she does't get what she wants. Maybe that will move her. Can't help someone who is not willing to help themselves...



You don't need to lose your composure to let someone know you are hurting. He needs to tell her where it went wrong, in very certain terms. How he does that is up to him.
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what I'm saying is... he has had a response to the situation. He has repeated WHY he's NOT angry... WHAT makes him angry and why he personally avoids not going "there". Yet, there are comments being made for him to get it out and let loose on her and tell her this and that.
why the fuck should he? why is she deserving of that kind of emotion? jesus christ... people telling him what to do and what not to do.. projecting your own desires instead of letting him do whatever the fuck he wants to do...
he says.. "i do this"
you guys say.. "she's needs you to do this..."
fuck what she needs!
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If he was a girl... and this wasn't about a SCORPIO woman... would you still be saying to bend over backwards, try this, tell her that? Or would it be about take care of YOURSELF... instead of assuming he doesn't know himself and should adapt to how the Scorpio needs to be treated?
glaring double standards
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Posted by ellessque
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allowing her to walk all over him is utter bullshit....and NOT sticking up for himself and calling her out on her bullshit is very passive aggressive.



this doesn't even make sense *circle talk*
I"m out
do you, David!
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Seriously, I'd have to dumb it way down to contribute anymore to this thread.
I don't need to know what this lady is thinking because her actions speak volumes and paint the scene for what's to come. She's really good at tapping into emotional elements... whether it be to protect herself, gain his trust, figure herself out. She's saying one thing and meaning another. She's not being honest with him. It's really not that unique... ALL water sings can do it with perfection, intentional or not. They just all do it differently.
Anyway, fixed relationship merging is way too predictable for me. Usually ends in a stalemate but I'm sure both parties gain from the experience and that is something, right. Life experience.
David, you've always seemed like a nice guy. Enjoy!


@Intrigued... I said this on page 5 about a month ago... doesn't seem like I was too far off the mark
but if you want to pretend it's all personal for me and call me moody, have at it *shrugs*
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Hmmmm... I think I see now... not sure why I didn't see it before. I should have guessed that purposely or not... I would be misled to know what kind of person she actually is. I have known many a Scorpio in my time... experience of the past led me to believe they are all fake... the social mask being only to 'tell people what they want to hear'... because one never REALLY knows what they are thinking... even if they put it into words... as those words tend to have hidden meaning.
So... I am sitting here finding myself planning my last 'hoorah'... maybe it WILL be tomorrow. As I have said already, I still have a couple of her personal effects... these are my tickets for the show... to knock on her door uninvited... which I can throw in her direction without breaking anything... limiting the connection to her front porch... I could conjure up a demon or two on my way. Of course... these things NEVER go according to plan... anything could happen... I hope I don't find her ex there !!! Maybe she won't be there... but THIS 'meeting' must be in person for the full effect... I could go again on Sunday if need be. Today I will reflect.
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Posted by David13
Hmmmm... I think I see now... not sure why I didn't see it before. I should have guessed that purposely or not... I would be misled to know what kind of person she actually is.
So... I am sitting here finding myself planning my last 'hoorah'... maybe it WILL be tomorrow. As I have said already, I still have a couple of her personal effects... these are my tickets for the show... to knock on her door uninvited... which I can throw in her direction without breaking anything... limiting the connection to her front porch... I could conjure up a demon or two on my way. Of course... these things NEVER go according to plan... anything could happen... I hope I don't find her ex there !!! Maybe she won't be there... but THIS 'meeting' must be in person for the full effect... I could go again on Sunday if need be. Today I will reflect.


David, can you explain why you think she is pretending to be someone she isn't? What has led you to that conclusion?
Also, are you sure this final confrontation isn't just a last ditch effort to get her attention? Or else why bother, sometimes silence speaks volumes.
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Hmmmm... I think I see now... not sure why I didn't see it before. I should have guessed that purposely or not... I would be misled to know what kind of person she actually is.
So... I am sitting here finding myself planning my last 'hoorah'... maybe it WILL be tomorrow. As I have said already, I still have a couple of her personal effects... these are my tickets for the show... to knock on her door uninvited... which I can throw in her direction without breaking anything... limiting the connection to her front porch... I could conjure up a demon or two on my way. Of course... these things NEVER go according to plan... anything could happen... I hope I don't find her ex there !!! Maybe she won't be there... but THIS 'meeting' must be in person for the full effect... I could go again on Sunday if need be. Today I will reflect.

David, can you explain why you think she is pretending to be someone she isn't? What has led you to that conclusion?
Also, are you sure this final confrontation isn't just a last ditch effort to get her attention? Or else why bother, sometimes silence speaks volumes.

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I wouldnn't say she's 'pretending' to be anything... just guarded. Whenever I have seen her... she has always been in a bright mood... but maybe it is because I somehow distract her from all of her darkness. I've never seen her angry... I've never seen her sad.... but sometimes... I have seen her go somewhere in her mind... and won't say where it was that she went when I've asked.
As for the 'last ditch effort'... I agree with you that silence can be deafening... I have not heard anything from her either... I have no idea what she is thinking. It just MIGHT BE an 'attention' thing... but am I just supposed to sit here and 'assume' we are finished ? What are we ? For her not to offer any further explanation or even an apology... then I expect reason. I could still decide to let it ride out another week... I will just let it depend on how I feel in the morning.
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It's done.
I went to her house... had her stuff in my bag. I brought a notebook to write a letter in the case she wasn't there.
When I arrived, her car wasn't there... so I sat with my notebook to write. About 10 minutes later... she drove up... she seemed happy to see me as she approached me looking as though she might kiss me as usual... I put away my notebook... kept my distance as I asked her if we could talk. She said we could... telling me that her daughter was home... but it would be all right. She knocked on her door to get her daughter to open it... when her daughter came... she seemed very happy to see me... but quickly left seemingly knowing that there was a talk in order.
THE Scorpio and I sat on the sofa... she offered me a drink. She said she was going to call me... and apologixed for her silence... that she just needed to be alone. I asked her if she was done with that and she answered: "I think so, yes." I asked her what happened on my birthday... she told me what 'didn't happen'... she wasn't seeing or thinking about another guy... I told her that I didn't think she was. At one point, I asked her what she wanted... she said she didn't know... that it was complicated. Somewhere in all of this... she said that she wanted to see if she would miss me. "Well did you ?" I asked. "Of course I did" she answered... but that was probably on reflex... as was my question.
She got up 3 or 4 times while we were talking... each time sitting closer to me... then she started to hold my arm getting more and more snuggly... seemingly expecting a kiss which I would not give her... but I felt myself getting weak with her little charms.
Her daughter was hungry... so she needed to make dinner... she asked me if I wanted to eat with them. I wasn't happy with how little we actaully talked... so I told her that I would go as I put my jacket on. It was quite soon after that she found her opportunity to kiss me and took it... wrapping her arms around me. We stood there for awhile. She offered to drive me to the subway station... I told her 'no' and that her daughter was hungry. A few more words as we sat down for a moment. I told her that it was nice of her to offer to take me to the station (50 minutes by foot), but then asked her why she just didn't ask me to stay. Her answer was that she would love to have me stay, but she felt it would be dishonest, because she didn't want me to have false hope. I felt my Taurus blood start to heat.
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"Got it" I said... I stood up.
She told me again that she would drive me to the station... I refused... telling her that I WANTED to walk. I headed for the door... called her daughter downstairs... she asked "where are we going ?"... her mother answered with: "We are just going to drop him off at the station"... I said 'no'... I NEED to walk... as I proceeded to give her daughter two kisses on each of her cheeks.
I reached in my bag and took her things out that I had held onto... "here is my hope", I said as I put them in her hands... my voice raising.
I tried to open the door... but I didn't know the trick (so much for the graceful exit)... "LET me OUT of HERE !" THE Scorpio opened it for me as she insisted that she drive me to the station. STOP ASKING... I'M GOING to WALK ! Stay here, because I will just make a scene ! Her daughter was right there and I had to get out of there ! I said 'good night' and closed the door.
10 minutes later... I received an sms: "I can't let you go alone... please let me come and get you... please please please, it's important to me."
I typed "leave me alone"... but I wasn't sure if that was what I wanted to say... so I back-spaced and said nothing.
5 minutes after... her car parked on the side of the road... I chose to walk on the other side just in case she decided to follow me... making it difficult with on-coming traffic. She called my name... I looked at her and shook my head 'no' as I kept walking. I heard her say 'putain !' just after... the context is 'fuck !'
There was more... but nothing else is coming to mind at the moment. For a little bit... I thought I might get lucky... but those few words cut me... and I had to get out of there before my skin turned green... busting out of my shirt... much control because her lovely daughter was present.
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All of this took place in a time span of about 3 hours. So now I'm wondering what the fuck we have been doing for the last 4 months. Sorry... the word 'rebound' keeps popping in there... seems I was more serious about her than she was of me. The 'false hope' she spoke about was that she didn't feel we would last... which is something that she pointed out in the first month... because I was 'different' than the guys that she usually goes for. She did at least add tonight however, that none of those past reltionships lasted either.
I'm not sure why driving me to the station was so important for her... JESUS ! It seemed so completely trivial to me !
So... back to silence mode I go. Something that was hers fell out into my bag during the shuffle... I think that I will just mail it to her.
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Wow, that was sad Sad I have tears in my eyes.
All i can say is that at least you have closure David, most of us never get that and have to move on with the torment of a gazillion questions as to what happened?
You know that if deep down she was hesitant that you two weren't going to last, that's her gut instinct telling her that and she is wise to listen to it. All to many times we close our minds to that warning and let ourselves go with the now and we suffer and make others suffer more when the realisation becomes undeniable!
4 months is good, 2 years would have crushed you so much more...take time for you to heal, go do you but let all your feelings out however you need to.
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Closure... is there really such a thing ? God... how I hate the 'day after' in things such as these. Could I have said something else ? Could I have done something else ? Could I have acted a different way ? I am left haunted by all the ways that she acted that contradicted what she said.
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Posted by IntriguedScorp
David she'll be back. Trust me on that one.
Could it possibly be that your are ready to possess her and she's not ready to be possessed yet? Something as simple as that. And maybe it has nothing to do with you being rebound guy. *shrugs*
Just because you were rebound guy with that selfish Cap you were talking to doesn't mean that you will be rebound guy for the next one. Maybe you are bringing your past relationship into this one? Just a thought.
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Oh yeah... Cap chick. You know she is with 3-day Scropio guy now. I will admit that one relationship can affect the outcome of another. Cap chick taught me that when something subtilely changes... I must pay attention. As you might recall... I pushed her out the door when she wanted to stop. I always thought she might come back around... but her agenda was already written as most Caps seem to be able to do.
With Scorp chick... well... this time I let myself out... though it was not really what I wanted... I didn't feel there was a choice. If it was her intuition that told her it would eventually end... then perhaps it should just be now. Though, I cannot count how many times she has said that she loves 'making love' with me... I thought this was key to reaching her emotions... but then it would seem as though she would cut me off from seeing her after these moments... a way to stay unattached ? During these times and a day or to follow would come the I
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Intrigued, that Cap was not selfish, imo atleast, and seemed a lot easier than this chick here lol.
Anyway, acions, actions, actions....none of them spoke of indifference. I have a Scorpio venus, and NONE of my actions match my words when it comes to my Taurus friend. Two different stories are told, and I believe it stems from the Taurus more laid back approach. Imo, it can make anyone nervous. I think she is scared, and you are sitting back letting a fearful person lead this. She could have been pissed to see you on her doorstep, but she was happy to see you. Imho, that says a lot.
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Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic or a pessimist, but should it be this hard?
It seems like a lot of nail pulling to me.
I'm sorry David there is a lesson in here somewhere.
Sounds like you two are lost in communication and are not on the same page.

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Posted by 87scorpio
What a shame. Things probably would have been different if her daughter hadnt have been around. Quite surprised she jumped in the car to chase you with her tbh.
She will be back in touch. She didnt have the control she would have liked in that situation and I'm sure she's feeling pretty bad about it.

And what 'control' would THAT be ? You say here that "she will be back in touch", but for what ? To fix it ? To make me pay ?
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Posted by lnana04
Intrigued, that Cap was not selfish, imo atleast, and seemed a lot easier than this chick here lol.
Anyway, acions, actions, actions....none of them spoke of indifference. I have a Scorpio venus, and NONE of my actions match my words when it comes to my Taurus friend. Two different stories are told, and I believe it stems from the Taurus more laid back approach. Imo, it can make anyone nervous. I think she is scared, and you are sitting back letting a fearful person lead this. She could have been pissed to see you on her doorstep, but she was happy to see you. Imho, that says a lot.

Yes... but which story is the truth ? I understand that there are always shades of gray... but usually this spectrum will consist of black and white at each end SOMEWHERE !
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Posted by LunarMaiden
Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic or a pessimist, but should it be this hard?
It seems like a lot of nail pulling to me.
I'm sorry David there is a lesson in here somewhere.
Sounds like you two are lost in communication and are not on the same page.


Tell me about it ! I could be wrong, but I don't think it is me. Let her think about it on her own for awhile... maybe even forever... I can do nothing if she is unwilling to yield even a little bit.
Something trivial that I just thought of... she didn't even have a birthday gift waiting for me... it is not really important... I don't need anything... a bow on her naked body would have more than sufficed... but not even a note... something to say that she was thinking of me when she canceled my birthday.
I guess sometimes ya just gotta say 'fuck it' !
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Yes you do...no matter how much we might want someone or something from someone...you can't make them love you..if they don't
Pick yourself up and do what we all have to do, go back out there and try again and learn from this one, not in a jaded way but in a positive way...and there are positives in this I'm sure.
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Posted by 87scorpio
Also David, with the part when she said she didn't want to give you false hope..if anything she was saying she didn't want you to be the rebound guy-she must see you as more than that. It takes me a long time to recover from a failed relationship. If someone happens to come along who knocks us off our feet before we have mentally established that we are "ready" for someone new, its hard. We are a lot more caring than we let on. We don't want to hurt people. It sounds to me as though she is confused, not necessarily about her feelings, but what she does with those feelings. No doubt questioning herself as to whether she is ready to move on to see what the two of you could become.
I know its hard not to take this kind of thing personally. Scorpio women work in strange and crazy ways. But there really is method in our madness.

Everything you have said here makes sense... she IS quite sexual... she could have tried to make me stay I suppose... but those words... no... by that point, I think I would have been out the door whether her daughter was there or not.
Something else I just remembered speaking about before my exit... I told her that I felt better about her a week and a half before... when we were just making jokes via sms without seeing each other... than I did sitting next to her at that moment.
At another point, she had said again how different I was than the other guys... I asked her to tell me the differences... then I rephrased it to just one thing... she refused... saying that some things are better left unsaid. Wow... I decided it best NOT to pry any further on THAT !
So when the 'false hope' comment came... I understood that I was temporary in her scheme of things... not that she wanted anything more from me.
Now we are in THIS place... I imagine if there is to be a follow-up on her part that it will feel very awkward for her... and to me. I would listen... but that appointment is probably still a ways off. I know that she doesn't have her daughter this coming weekend... but I probably put her back into her quiet place where she will have all our conversations in her head... past and perceivable future... could be awhile.
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Happy you have enjoyed it 87scorpio ! Winking
I think failed relationships of the past have an impact on all of us... not just the Scorpio persona. Scorpios just seem to internalize it more than the rest of us... and I am not sure they ever really deal with it BECAUSE they lock it up... only to be baffled later by the walls that they have built up before the next relationship comes around... not allowing the past to remain in the past.
So... if she DOES come back around... I don't know... depends on how long it takes. Obviously, if it takes her a year... well... that's too long for me... time stands still for NO ONE. As of this moment... it is very likely that I would entertain any attempt on her part. However... I would not allow a continuation of the same 'one-step foward, five-steps back' deal that I have gotten from her... I prefer taking one step at a time... and I don't mind walking slowly... I don't mind taking baby-steps... I don't even mind taking the wrong steps... but forward... in the same direction... together... that is all I would require.

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Posted by 87scorpio
If you haven't heard in a year...I doubt you will! I know that with me, my apologies tend to come through quite quickly. Although, words are easy-its often the actions that I find most difficult. I hope she does get in touch.
I hadn't realised until browsing the scorpio board how badly we come across. Its a shame really. But it has made me see from a different perspective and I am going to make more of an effort in my future relationships not to create issues that aren't there!

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By the way... I checked out the 'Scorpio tests' thread like you suggested... it started out really well... the first page was great ! Then... well... it turned to crap... don't know if you saw that... the OP should definitely repost what he wrote... maybe it won't be hijacked the next time around.
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Six days have passed... no news... and I just miss her today. How did THAT happen ?!
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Posted by David13
Six days have passed... no news... and I just miss her today. How did THAT happen ?!



Was it not suppose to happen?
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Posted by IntriguedScorp
She's got that Leeb venus doesn't she? We can go back and forth, hot and cold for ages while getting situated into a relationship. In fact, that's where we feel the most safe--not making a decision. Its safe there. Big Grin
Secretly, however, we want someone to force us into a decision because Lord knows every angle looks good to us while we are mulling it over. Should I stay or should I go? Yep. That sounds good. Wait, let me think about it some more. Seriously. Once the bluff is called, then its decision making time. OMG a leeb having to make a decision--her head is probably spinning. Not kidding.
But her Scorp will soon rein that in and she'll come up with a position soon enough and then let you know. She'll lay it all on the line so you will have absolutely no doubt. Good luck

Yup... Venus in Libra... so what you have said here seems to fit... I know it more though as 'Analysis Paralysis'.
Bluffing ? Is that what she was realy doing ? I wasn't even aware that a bet had been placed ! But you are saying here that it is 'all or nothing' time... already ? I thought we were still just playing with chips, not collateral of any sort... just for the fun of it... the enjoyment of the other's company... the pleasure. She sabotaged it with that 'birthday' wager... THAT just wasn't fair.
What is 'soon' for you as a Scorpio with a Libra Venus ? How would she 'lay it on the line' ? To me it would seem she already has... no ?
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Posted by David13
Six days have passed... no news... and I just miss her today. How did THAT happen ?!

Was it not suppose to happen?

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NOOO ! Not yet anyway... I am supposed to be able to wait longer than SHE !
Today is 'La f?te des M?res' here... 'Mother's Day'. I've been thinking about sending her a message to acknowledge it since yesterday... weighing whether or not it would strengthen or weaken my position. I feel if I send a message... it would show that I care... which I don't know if it would be good thing. I feel if I don't send one... then she would think that I am just getting even for her canceling my birthday... but then again... it is no longer an 'obligation' right ?
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Posted by IntriguedScorp
"Bluff" was just a poker analogy. I have no idea if she has been bluffing or not, but you upped the ante and she's looking down at her cards wondering what to do. Tongue
Why do you think she's laid it all on the line? because she missed your birthday? Honest question.
To me the fact she drove after you was more like laying is on the line but what do I know?

You said: "she'll lay it all on the line so you will have absolutely no doubt." I haven't heard from her... I still have doubt. I was thinking that perhaps her silence now could be interpreted as her 'laying it on the line'... but that still leavea the doubt... maybe it is just easier for her to let her decisions be decided for her.
I didn't see the car thing as anything more than her acting out of duress.
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Posted by LunarMaiden
Posted by David13
Six days have passed... no news... and I just miss her today. How did THAT happen ?!

Was it not suppose to happen?


NOOO ! Not yet anyway... I am supposed to be able to wait longer than SHE !
Today is 'La f?te des M?res' here... 'Mother's Day'. I've been thinking about sending her a message to acknowledge it since yesterday... weighing whether or not it would strengthen or weaken my position. I feel if I send a message... it would show that I care... which I don't know if it would be good thing. I feel if I don't send one... then she would think that I am just getting even for her canceling my birthday... but then again... it is no longer an 'obligation' right ?
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Hmm, depends on what you are trying to do here.
My last impression was that you are trying to end it and she was trying to let you down easy.
Are you trying to end it?
Or are you just mad that she forgot your birthday and isn't showing strong interest and uncomplicated behavior?
Is she really interested in pursuing this with you?
Relationships are just too complicated these days.
Or do we make them complicated?
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Hey Lunar! ( waves )
Relationships are just too complicated these days.
Or do we make them complicated?
^^^ I wonder about this one too.
Hello David! I've read your story and just want to wish you luck with your situation smile
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Hi Piggy, what are you up to?
Good to see you. Your avatar is too cute.
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Posted by ellessque
if it were me, I wouldn't send her a message for 'La f?te des M?res'. Why? Because she's probably anticipating one.
if anything, NOT sending the message will help evaluate what she's done to you and the impact it had on your feelings.

I thought about what you said... um... that's not what I did... don't be mad K ?
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