Scorpio Women

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by zosopage17 on Monday, September 10, 2012 and has 154 replies.
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Do you really want to be left alone? WTF is with the absolute SHUT down and coldness. That's hard to deal w/ ya know Winking.
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Well, in that convo people said stuff about this one, so I figured I would at least ask. Insight is always helpful - whatever it's about!
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crabapple - lol. Leave me alone smile
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LOL - I'm not dancing, it's all just a show Winking. Tell ya what - shutdown is the hardest thing I have EVER had to deal with. I'd rather be yelled at or even fucking hit instead of just complete silence. That is DEBILITATING to somebody's soul. Scorps hurt. I wish they didn't feel so good when they're on, because the whole process would be so much easier. Guess there has to be some reason to hold a stinger in your hand, eh? Winking
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Well, honestly, I want my family to be back together. I'd be lying if I said I didn't - I have two beautiful sons with this woman, and I feel a sense of destiny about her. That's about all I want to say on it...can't open up so easily about this one.
I guess I'd like to know that I matter, too.
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well - I'd be willing to invest everything. It's not reciprocated, however. I don't want to be a sap and just wait around for this woman, but Christ - I guess I kinda have to. Obviously, I'm no good for anybody else right now - so what choices are there really available for me?
Yes, I know Cancer men and Scorpio women are supposed to be great matches.
It's so hard not to text or call just say "Shit, I miss you." or "This made me think of you" or "Damn...kinda sucks w/o you". Ya know? That is NEVER reciprocated - ever. But whenever I say something about the kids, BOOM instantly. In my personal opinion, I really think this chick is done - just kinda blows my mind - which is why I was in the other forum - looking for a companion.
3 letters...FML!
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It is, and I'm grateful. She knows what's best for them, as do I.
Is it really okay to text her and be like "Miss you." or whatever happens to present itself, knowing it's not going to get a response, and knowing she probably doesn't want to hear it?
Seems desperate to me!
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is this coming from a woman? or is this coming from a scorpio? or a scorpio woman? or just somebody trying to help?
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smile I try to be humorous - you're a scorp, so we have that unspoken thing going already.... yeah, here's my chart:
Rising Sign is in 10 Degrees Scorpio
Sun is in 25 Degrees Cancer
Moon is in 08 Degrees Virgo
Mercury is in 08 Degrees Cancer
Venus is in 16 Degrees Gemini
Mars is in 01 Degrees Aries
Jupiter is in 29 Degrees Taurus
Saturn is in 27 Degrees Sagittarius
Uranus is in 27 Degrees Sagittarius
Neptune is in 08 Degrees Capricorn
Pluto is in 09 Degrees Scorpio
N. Node is in 15 Degrees Pisces

Name is Chris.
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what does that mean? What about me let you know I have Gemini in Venus? I don't understand really past Sun / Moon / Rising
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Rising Sign is in 06 Degrees Aries
Sun is in 23 Degrees Scorpio.
Moon is in 29 Degrees Gemini
Mercury is in 26 Degrees Scorpio
Venus is in 10 Degrees Capricorn
Mars is in 07 Degrees Scorpio
Jupiter is in 10 Degrees Cancer
Saturn is in 10 Degrees Capricorn
Uranus is in 03 Degrees Capricorn
Neptune is in 10 Degrees Capricorn
Pluto is in 15 Degrees Scorpio
N. Node is in 20 Degrees Aquarius
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Thanks! Cute crab...I like it smile
Is the ice a facade? I have no idea! I guess you're right, it is. How could somebody NOT appreciate somebody else saying nice things to them, and expecting nothing in return.
You scorpio women are awesome - there's no question as to why I'm attracted to them - I think there is some kind of spiritual attraction between the Crab / Scorp. I guess you just gotta find the common ground.
That's the big thing Intrigue - I don't want to look back and say "man I really wanted to say X". I guess I should just put myself out there, and deal with what happens!
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Hmmm....okay then!
Guess my Gem doesn't match her Cap smile
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Um, wow. That's actually dead accurate.
No I didn't cheat. Never touched another woman. Did I say inappropriate things, that weren't hidden from her? Yeah, unfortunately, I did.
Um, that's just a myriad of issues, however. We're both so strongwilled - we would argue over the dumbest shit all the time. I know that my words cut her VERY deep.
I uh...am actually losing my clarity here.
Ok, back. SO yeah, I understand that the things I have said to her are probably the worst enemy I could have facing me right now. You can't take back what you say to someone, and you can never change how you made them feel. I mean, if there's any person worth fighting for in my life - it has to be this girl right? She's just so unresponsive to anything I try. And it's not like she hasn't made it clear that we are over. So I'd be straight up lying if I said she was leading me on. She's not.
There's a lot of history between myself and this girl. I had her before, and lost her. I don't want to dissolve my hope into the act that "this is part of a cycle and she'll come back to me." I genuinely want her to be happy. I don't play the whole "I'm the best you ever had - or who's gonna wanna take care of my two kids blah blah blah" horseshit - because that's not helpful to anyone.
I don't know how to SHOW this girl that I really do love her. I can say it all day long - but the fact of the matter is, she has lost faith in me. That's hard to deal with - knowing somebody has lost faith in you as a human being. FML!
Thank god for the interwebs - you guys would never get this shit out of me in person smile
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LOL it's true - do you know what spot in my heart we are discussing right now? This is like the fucking Asshole that Luke shot a proton torpedo down to blow up the Death Star.

I'm amazed by the depth of personal reflection that has been shown here. TBH I don't really know what to say.
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I feel like my actions contradict myself sometimes in this aspect...It's hard not to become angry sometimes, especially when things don't go your way. I think you're right - I just need to state how I feel, be a constant presence in my kid's life, and let her see who I really am - rather than trying to force it upon her.

That's hard. Possible.
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I just sent the biggest message ever to her - just telling her how I feel about her, about our family, about everything. It felt good to send it - and it feels even better to know that I won't get a response, and that I"m not needing one. Peace.

Can't lie though - gotta wonder how she received it. Guess I"m not meant to know smile
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LOL how do you know that's my virgo moon...wtf?
It does feel good to be honest. It's enlightening.
Thanks for all the help. And all from Scorp women - I must be one lucky crab Winking
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Posted by zosopage17
I just need to state how I feel, be a constant presence in my kid's life, and let her see who I really am.


do you know how many people can't see that?
you are a step ahead of most.
it's not only possible, it's completely doable.
it's much easier to be yourself once you start to practice on a regular basis.
pretending to be something you think someone wants is way too much work and eventually your house of cards will come tumbling down.
you need to start with a foundation and build from there with real materials that have substance.
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It's hard. The fear of failure is overwhelming. I guess it will not be a failure in the sense that my children will know and love their father, and I will be a better man because of it all. But JC...halp! smile
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I don't want to just buy her stuff. That's meaningless. I believe grandiose acts are necessary and appreciated. Problem is she's now 2 hours away. With my kids.
I'm thinking one thing that I could do, to SHOW her my level of respect and commitment to her, is offer to take the kids the next time it's my weekend and don't put ANY stipulations on it. Don't text the whole "where you at who you fucking" thing. Just be a rock.
Thing is, I'll probably have to throw my phone in the dryer all weekend to make that happen.
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i find all these comments strange.
has he posted WHY she left? maybe she left because he's a woman beater and you guys are encouraging him to stalk her...good job guys!
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If you want to know why she asked - you can ask me yourself, instead of discriminantly referring to me in the third person. I'm here and actively reading this forum, ya know? Seeing as how I created the thread.
I didn't beat her. I didn't cheat on her. We fought, and it got viscous. There is a lot of negative history between us, we never had time to grow as a couple before we had kids.
Enough information to stop discrimination?
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im being serious. he posted in the virgo forum about pursuing some virgo chick. i only read his post and dont feel like reading anything else, so just wondering if he's given the circumstances of her departure and if not, how can you possible give any good advice without the deets?
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I posted in the Virgo forum about HOW to and IF I SHOULD pursue the virgo woman that caught my attention. I made it extremely clear that I was coming off of a breakup, and also made it quite evident that I wasn't just trying to get in the sack with her. Pessimism and deceit might exist in this world, but it holds no place in these threads. If you can't tell, there's a lot of personal growth and wisdom being shared...don't be mad because you're not learning from it.
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Posted by zosopage17
If you want to know why she asked - you can ask me yourself, instead of discriminantly referring to me in the third person. I'm here and actively reading this forum, ya know? Seeing as how I created the thread.
I didn't beat her. I didn't cheat on her. We fought, and it got viscous. There is a lot of negative history between us, we never had time to grow as a couple before we had kids.
Enough information to stop discrimination?



actually, NO! not in the slightest.
what i find funny is that you're asking for what she wants and you have yet to say what she has asked of you? she clearly wanted something that you were not able to give her and yet, you claim to want her back.
if you want her back, wouldn't part of getting her back be giving her what she desires?
as far as addressing you directly, given that you've been discussing this in detail without details, why should you be approached directly when you'll just side step crab?
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Posted by zosopage17
I posted in the Virgo forum about HOW to and IF I SHOULD pursue the virgo woman that caught my attention. I made it extremely clear that I was coming off of a breakup, and also made it quite evident that I wasn't just trying to get in the sack with her. Pessimism and deceit might exist in this world, but it holds no place in these threads. If you can't tell, there's a lot of personal growth and wisdom being shared...don't be mad because you're not learning from it.



what growth? that you should send the wife of your children a text message? you're growing because of that? really? mmm...kay!
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Because this crab is prepared to take any and everything you throw at him head on. I'm unique. Don't believe me? Buck it and try.
Fact of the matter is - she wants me to be nice to her. Wanted, I should say. I've already described how my tongue cut her on numerous occasions because my temper flared out of control.
As of now - she won't even respond to me. What does she want? Apparently nothing.
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lol...the wife of your children?
time for a drink!
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I have actually found a lot of comfort in the things people have said to me on here. I know that you are feeling "protective of your territory", hence your reason for jumping to come harass me on a board that had nothing to do with you. I respect your input, and value whatever you have to say about me and my decisions in my life. I wouldn't be opening up here if I wasn't expectant of some level of criticism.
Point being - I've answered the questions you asked - is there anything else you would like to discern before you pass judgement upon me?
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Posted by zosopage17
Because this crab is prepared to take any and everything you throw at him head on. I'm unique. Don't believe me? Buck it and try.
Fact of the matter is - she wants me to be nice to her. Wanted, I should say. I've already described how my tongue cut her on numerous occasions because my temper flared out of control.
As of now - she won't even respond to me. What does she want? Apparently nothing.



yeah your mars is in aries...duh! but you still have yet to answer my question WITH detail.
i was going to say when you posted your chart that your mars in aries is indeed a problem IF you're unaware of how it impacts you and those around you.
so if you're able, i think these women would be able to TRULY give you some insight if you actually gave a little more detail. you say your words were cutting. did you tell her that her macaroni taste like shit or was it much worse than that?
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Think of the worst thing you could possibly say to somebody to cripple them on an emotional level, and I've got it beat.
I'm feeling hurt, I hurt back.
Yes, I know that's wrong.
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Posted by zosopage17
I have actually found a lot of comfort in the things people have said to me on here. I know that you are feeling "protective of your territory", hence your reason for jumping to come harass me on a board that had nothing to do with you. I respect your input, and value whatever you have to say about me and my decisions in my life. I wouldn't be opening up here if I wasn't expectant of some level of criticism.
Point being - I've answered the questions you asked - is there anything else you would like to discern before you pass judgement upon me?



this thread is on the homepage and i'm bored, don't flatter yourself.
in fact, you should feel privileged to have me here and very lucky that i'm choosing to keep my mars in aries in check...for now.
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Ego vs. Ego apparently. I appreciate your CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Anything else you'd like to add? I'll tell ya whatever you wanna know!
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Posted by zosopage17
Think of the worst thing you could possibly say to somebody to cripple them on an emotional level, and I've got it beat.
I'm feeling hurt, I hurt back.
Yes, I know that's wrong.



i cant imagine anyone saying anything that would cripple me so like i said, very hard for anyone to tell you how she feels when one doesn't know what was done to her and therefore how she feels.
but hey, if generalities work for you, to each his own.
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Posted by zosopage17
Ego vs. Ego apparently. I appreciate your CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Anything else you'd like to add? I'll tell ya whatever you wanna know!



*watches the crab shuffle left and right
what was the argument that caused her to leave? what preempted her departure?
^direct enough?
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I think its irrelevant to specifically say what I said about her, her family whatever. Does that really matter? Take it for face value - sensitive people can be destroyed by harsh words.
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It wasn't one single argument. That would be rediculous. It was a continued life style of deconstructive criticism, impatientness on my part - refusal to acknowledge and DEAL with issues on hers, and a general lack for the respect of eachother when we each felt vindicated. Basically.
Couldn't ever agree on who was right about a certain thing, and it would go far - I would get pissed off and end up playing dirty - redirecting from an intellectual confrotation to emotional warfare.
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so you asked that i ask directly and said that you would answer directly and yet, when i asked you directly and you refuse to give a direct answer?
gotta love it!
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I'm not going to say "I said then she said then I said then she said". Gotta have a little respect for the privacy here. I'm not making myself out to be an angel, in fact I am assuming responsibility.
Can you not empathize a situation in which somebody said something extremely hurtful? About how your mother's a tramp and you'll turn out the same way or blah blah blah, I don't know - be creative here!
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I guess it's personal and my words would have no weight on you - so it would be hard for you to sympathize for her in this situation. I can't recreate a situation for you. All I can tell you is that we would start discussing something, both become passionate in how we felt about it, disagree, continue trying to prove eachother wrong - calmly, it would become frustrating, I would feel a lack of significance (often times it was about things I felt VERY passionately about), and in my frustration and disturbed state, would resort to verbal abuse. I guess that's what you would call it. Any possible way to break somebody down with your words. I don't know how else to describe it for you.
I hate that I feel like I've put myself on blast here - but hey, honesty is the key, right?
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i can imagine but my mars is in aries. i don't hold onto anger long. it flares, it's epic and awesome and then eh, i move on to the next shiny thing. in fact, i can scar someone emotionally and wonder why the hell they're not over it yet. with that said, i do have the ability to recognize when i hurt/how i hurt, but the depth at which i hurt them...i can dig it, but i can't. hell, even when i do get it, i may not care...i'm already over it so they should be too.
you say that you've said cutting things to her and that you get how destructive your interactions were, yet, you want her back and i can't figure out why she'd come back...because you sent a cuddly text or because she develops amnesia and forgets the past?
what im trying to say is, you're asking how to get her back and you're not getting the answer to that here...no matter how much you think you are. you're talking about the things you need to do outwardly and have yet to explain/acknowledge what you have changed inwardly. are you asking her to return to more of the same and if so, why would she do that given how cruel you've spoken to one another?
as i said in the other thread, fixed signs don't leave. if they do, they do so because they're seeking change. as long as you represent more of the same, feelings aside, she'll eventually move on and up without you.
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Posted by zosopage17
I guess it's personal and my words would have no weight on you - so it would be hard for you to sympathize for her in this situation. I can't recreate a situation for you. All I can tell you is that we would start discussing something, both become passionate in how we felt about it, disagree, continue trying to prove eachother wrong - calmly, it would become frustrating, I would feel a lack of significance (often times it was about things I felt VERY passionately about), and in my frustration and disturbed state, would resort to verbal abuse. I guess that's what you would call it. Any possible way to break somebody down with your words. I don't know how else to describe it for you.
I hate that I feel like I've put myself on blast here - but hey, honesty is the key, right?



ahh, mars in aries...a beautiful thing.
do you understand this placement?
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Good post. I've done a lot of soul searching. I know those are issues within myself, that aren't healthy for any of the parties involved. The simple issue is that I was selfish with her. Yeah I bought her stuff and made dinner did the housework took the kids blah blah blah, but when the time came - for me to SHOW her what she meant to me - I couldn't do it. I was too wrapped up in how I felt about a situation, or how I needed to come out on top.
That's a tough pill to swallow, in retrospect; I was selfish. I did not love her more than myself. Period. Ya know, that's something that I think is not innate in me, but moreso transparent when I am displeased with other areas of my life. Y'know we were in a new situation together, no family around - little money. Trying schedules. I felt like I had to FIGHT to retain any of my hobbies, or I had to FIGHT to feel like she was intimately connected with how I felt about things.
What have I changed about myself? I understand that I need to be an emotionally healthy person, in good standings and love myself before anyone else can be satisfied with me. How can you give, what you don't have? I get this. I've consciously been trying to bring my flare down. I don't want to hurt anyone anymore. I've lost a ton of people in my life because I can hurt so good!
What has changed? I'm willing to accept responsibility for who I am as a person, and acknowledge that I am the center of no-one's universe. I know that my temper has to be quelled, and CAN be done through understanding that other people's opinios and viewpoints matter as much as mine do. I understand that, together or not, I am the physical and spiritual guide for this family - and that in order for my kids not to suffer the consequences of my poor decisions, I have to grow. Accept responsibility, learn, and never make the same mistake twice.
Basically, I have to learn how to love.
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I felt like I had to FIGHT to retain any of my hobbies, or I had to FIGHT to feel like she was intimately connected with how I felt about things
what does that mean?
i'm not trying to be funny, but there's a lot in what's not said. you don't HAVE TO share, but there are some decent people on here and when they're in a good mood, they can be insightful. the more you give them, the more they give you...or they feed on you and dance around your blood carcass.

That's a tough pill to swallow, in retrospect; I was selfish. I did not love her more than myself.
you shouldn't! wtf is she? a goddamn succubus? how old is she? sounds like she's controlling?
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i meant to say bloody carcass but "blood carcass" sounds pretty damn awesome
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oh and one more thing, you're young and when i look back, i didn't understand the parts that make up who i am. in other words, i didn't understand all aspects of this astrology shit. where i don't live by my signs, i find understanding them individually opens the gateway to a better me...self-actualization. whether it's a personality test or astrology, understanding what makes YOU tick enables you to better interact with others.
so when i saw your chart, what stood out to me was the mars in aries...especially given the way you described your arguments. i think you understand how destructive mars in aries can be. despite the fact that you're clearly articulate and insightful, i don't think you know how to constructively use it...yet.
in addition, there are things about her that you have yet to share. the fact that you said you needed to love her more than yourself, that was her desire? that soooo sounds like something a young fixed sign would say. we're crazy like that.
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Just that whenever I felt passionately about something that should be handled in a certain way, it was met with contempt and disconcern. As if what I thought was right didn't matter, because she didn't agree with me. By fight, I mean extreme verbal persuasion. Nothing went over easily with her. If I wanted steak for dinner and she wanted chicken I had to fucking buy the steak, bring it home, throw the chicken out, cook that shit and serve it on the table just to make sure that what I wanted was taken care of. (Just an example, but I'm sure you get it)

As far as "loving her more than myself" you have to be willing to make compromises for people that you love. I couldn't do that for her. Maybe I felt like I had to push so hard to have my feelings understood, that I wasn't able to return that which I had asked for? IDK. No, she's not a succubus...actually...yeah, she kinda looks like one Winking. I was enticed by her every move....
Um, okay fuck it - here's an example. She was with somebody before me...actually, she was married to the guy. Long story short, she had MY child in their marriage (she wasn't married when I got to her). And I didn't get to meet my oldest son until he was 10 months old. When we got back together and she divorced him, we immediately got pregnant again, and my youngest son was born a year later. (like I said, we NEVER had time to grow as a couple before our kids were involved).
She never dissolved contact with her ex. Never. I raged SO FUCKING HARD about it all the time. She took MY son to see him, (of COURSE I went with her). She would ALWAYS talk to him on the phone despite the multiple THOUSANDS of times I told her how it made me feel. We fought about it constantly. I would snap - I had no tolerance for the situation. I'm sitting here thinking "You are with ME. The father of your children let this mother fucker go before I snap." Now, before we get into the whole "she still loves him" argument (of which I am well aware of) it was things like this that made me rage. No matter how many times I said it, with however much couth, rage, love, anger distance, aggressiveness I put it - she would NEVER lose contact with this dude. I'm sorry but it was a very tender wound for me, and she couldn't even address it. I understand that's a flaw in her - and that I was redic. for putting up with it, but it's situations like that to which I would rage SO MF'ing hard. So hard.
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oh and your moon in virgo...ick!
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Mars in Aries = something I've always known, but not known. I know I have a powerful command of language and communication, and I have used it for Evil so much. It's only recently (honestly through this situation) that I have realized how powerful I can be.
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Posted by zosopage17

Um, okay fuck it - here's an example. She was with somebody before me...actually, she was married to the guy. Long story short, she had MY child in their marriage (she wasn't married when I got to her). And I didn't get to meet my oldest son until he was 10 months old. When we got back together and she divorced him, we immediately got pregnant again, and my youngest son was born a year later. (like I said, we NEVER had time to grow as a couple before our kids were involved).
She never dissolved contact with her ex. Never. I raged SO FUCKING HARD about it all the time. She took MY son to see him, (of COURSE I went with her). She would ALWAYS talk to him on the phone despite the multiple THOUSANDS of times I told her how it made me feel. We fought about it constantly. I would snap - I had no tolerance for the situation. I'm sitting here thinking "You are with ME. The father of your children let this mother fucker go before I snap." Now, before we get into the whole "she still loves him" argument (of which I am well aware of) it was things like this that made me rage. No matter how many times I said it, with however much couth, rage, love, anger distance, aggressiveness I put it - she would NEVER lose contact with this dude. I'm sorry but it was a very tender wound for me, and she couldn't even address it. I understand that's a flaw in her - and that I was redic. for putting up with it, but it's situations like that to which I would rage SO MF'ing hard. So hard.



thank you. now the scorps can chime in.
the moon in virgo is rearing it's psychotic head by virtue of this example.
a breakup goes two ways ya know? it's not just about how you need to change, she needs to change too. it'd be foolish for you to bend and work at something when someone else is stuck. however, you know her and the more you know about you, the more you can adapt and grow accordingly. meaning, if you know that you want steak and she wants chicken. let her have the damn chicken and cook the steak tomorrow Tongue
fixed signs/scorpio in youth are very controlling...very domineering. power and control is something that scorpio knows well and as a man, not backing down was the right thing to do. you just choose the wrong way to do it.
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