truth vs. myth

This topic was created in the Scorpio forum by Tiamat on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 and has 21 replies.
Scorpio
The Myth:
Scorpios, so some people would have us believe, are less than delightful folk. They stand accused of being secretive and suspicious with a tendency to nurse grudges. Scorpios are also supposedly full of anti-social habits including a tendency to be rude and to speak explicitly about taboo topics. Plus, traditionally, they are sex mad!
The Truth:
It's no wonder Scorpios are secretive. Who would want to own up to belonging to a sign with such a reputation? It is my pleasure now, to quash those stupid misconceptions and set the record straight. Scorpios don't nurse grudges. They are actually very forgiving. They just don't forget anything. They are not rude, just honest, direct and unpretentious. They don't set out to shock people, they are just shocked themselves by the prissy attitudes that some people have towards basic human functions. And as for being sex mad... Oh, gosh, I appear to have run out of space.
The Key To Success:
You may fear, if you were born under Scorpio, that you have drawn the short celestial straw. Actually though, you have hit the heavenly jackpot. Your intense sensitivity may be a trial at times but it's your greatest asset. If you trust it and nurture your sincere desire to do the best in every situation... everything in your life will yet prove perfect.

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Tiamat
They are not rude, just honest, direct and unpretentious. They don't set out to shock people, they are just shocked themselves by the prissy attitudes that some people have towards basic human functions.
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Agreed. The truth hurts sometimes, but honesty will get you everywhere. It just takes awhile to learn what level of brutal honesty others can accept...
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This is nice. Quite frankly I'll own up to having a Scorpio Sun Sign, because anyone with a negative view of Scorpios change their views once they've gotten to know me. I'm a more forgiving person than some other signs, because I won't keep grudges for the sake of drama like other signs might do from time to time. But you're damn right we don't forget things. That's the way I like it in my life. Forgiving is not forgetting, fool me twice - shame on me, yadda yad...
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Agreed. The truth hurts sometimes, but honesty will get you everywhere. It just takes awhile to learn what level of brutal honesty others can accept...hahahaha
Aint that the truth!..
Welcome back from your hols Elliotttttttt...Hope your all tanned and looking hot Winking
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Okay well it goes without saying that we are just like everyone else is. I don't believe that we try to seem 'God-like', but I believe I recognize what you're getting at. Let me ask you this Brahn - why do you think that we try to pass ourselves off as we do? And how is the Scorpio ego solely 'self-serving'?
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Well, what I think is that if Scorpio's have motivations to control things due to deep, underlying chaos and disarray, then everybody must have those same motivations and those same 'weakness' and 'insecurities'. The only reason that Scorpios may stand out as the sole offenders of controlling, overly-imposing ways is that we may just be most alive to the raw human need to maintain control in chaos and groundlessness. So you have words of criticism for the sign that strongly, and quite simply represents a condition that all humans have within themselves. Meaning 'deep down inside' you must be weak and insecure yourself. Acknowledging all of that, you would still criticize the Scorpio 'bullsh!t'?
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Besides, that pure will to 'make someone believe in you as high and mighty' is called brooding (among other things), and if you keep an eye out you'll see it in nature as a basic tendency of living, breathing beings. It isn't all a bunch of sh!t, and there really is method to madness.
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Okay well all that goes right back to what I was saying before. It's something that we all deal with. The desire to 'exploit weak minded people' or to 'be all powerful' - it's all there as a challenge for any and every one of us to deal with. The reason that I cannot comply to you saying that you don't have deep, underlying weaknesses and insecurities is that you'd basically be saying that you have perfect control. You have no such thing, and I know you'll concede to that. I don't know if any Scorpios really are seen as anything but ordinary mortals... but I do know that Scorps are praised for their 'sizzle', so to speak, while their steak is reserved for other things. I understand all of this too. You're basically saying that without the strong fronts that Scorpios can develop, they have no strength at all. I can disagree with this because I know that it takes strenth to make strength, takes power to make power. Anyways, for now, we won't get into the culture of 'rooting for the loser', lol but I have to say that I think it's a little deeper than that.
Wasn't it you who constantly reminded that some traits belonged to all people, rather than just Scorpios, but mentioned that people, in-general, are too "self-centered" to see the truth, or swallow the 'hard pill'. Well now I want to say, again, that it is not just some Scorps that 'choose not to grow and instead ride the stereotypes that they are supposedly against', it's all human beings, unfortunately, and don't ever be too anti-Scorpio to see that. Lol you really sometimes sound like a grandfather bemoaning the 'errant' ways of the world, and all the damn wretched mortals (which include Scorpions too!) who inhabit it.
"At the end of the day, Scorps are just blood pumping individuals with issues to work out."
Why is a sentence like that always your ending line? Who are you constantly trying to remind or convince? I know I'm a human. I'm sure Tia does.. Missmorals, do you? We ARE human, and like ALL humans (Lol yes you too Brahn, feeling issue-less must be an issue in itself) we have all kinds of issues to work out 24/7. But that should really go without saying. I'll be back later.
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Tiamat, all you have written are true. However it is best to keep it since a lot of individuals would not be able to accept this, but rather see it in a different way and would wish to argue even in the most unreasonable ways. It is natural for humans to intend to boast themselves and believe that they are always the best. Some people would even argue just to felt thier existant(correct me in the spelling if I were wrong) and actually try to manipulate and pull things on any possible corner just to make things up. The worst type of scorpios are self proclaiming individuals that would say "I'm not weak, insecure but rather am an eagle not a scorp" which also goes to the other sign.
This is due to the reason that each and everyone of us have thier own way of defining and seeing things on a different view.
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First and foremost, it's important that you see that I actually did disagree with you on a good half of the things you said, but if those things can be overlooked by you, then what I did and always have agreed with is that Scorpio's receive praise for the sizzle, and not neccesarily the steak. Although, that isn't to say that Scorpios are Libras (can be loved mostly for their beauty, appearances, and passive natures.) What I want you to know is that every human being has some kind of sizzle that they produce, for better or for worse, and that Scorpios who get praise for their fronts are no less deserving than one who tries to maintain a straight, no mystique, 'all out in the open' front. There are values in either and every front, and I like Scorpios whether they are with or without their 'sizzle' - in fact, I probably like both just the same. People who are annoyed by praise that goes to Scorps are common and not to be taken to heart. If you are not one, then fine.

And about my tendency to relate things to a bigger picture and stand-up for the 'We' rather than just 'Me', well I thought it might be all too obvious - that's my Libra Moon. In my life, I've done things that have made me Scorpio through'n'through - things like playing sports, breaking the pain barrier in sports (lol Missmorals am I right?), making a sport or competition out of certain other things in life - of course things like that are going to hone my Scorpio Sun. However, as soon as I began getting into arts and philosophy more, and as soon as I began reading and enjoying things written by authors like Kahlil Gibran, all of a sudden I can bring a Libra Moon and a Libra Mars to cooperate with a Scorpio Sun, so that's what I'm doing when I'm relating all the parts and pieces in my rant. I can play the Libra role quite naturally, with less pretentiousness (lol most days). Also, I think I've picked up on a few Gemini habits in my lifetime, a sign naturally inclined toward making things somewhat analogous with each other.
Let's do the 'root for the loser' thing sooner rather than later, lol but not right now.
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First and foremost, it's important that you see that I did disagree with you on a few of your points, but if those things can be overlooked by you, then what I did and always have agreed with is that Scorpio's receive praise for the sizzle, and not neccesarily the steak. Although, that isn't to say that Scorpios are Libras (can be loved mostly for their beauty, appearances, and passive natures.) What I want you to know is that every human being has some kind of sizzle that they produce, for better or for worse, and that Scorpios who get praise for their fronts are no less deserving than one who tries to maintain a straight, no mystique, 'all out in the open' front. There are values in either and every front, and I like Scorpios whether they are with or without their 'sizzle' - in fact, I probably like both just the same. People who are annoyed by praise that goes to Scorps are common and not to be taken to heart. If you are not one, then fine.

And about my tendency to relate things to a bigger picture and stand-up for the 'We' rather than just 'Me', well I thought it might be all too obvious - that's my Libra Moon. In my life, I've done things that have made me Scorpio through'n'through - things like playing sports, breaking the pain barrier in sports (lol Missmorals am I right?), making a sport or competition out of certain other things in life - of course things like that are going to hone my Scorpio Sun. However, as soon as I began getting into arts and philosophy more, and as soon as I began reading and enjoying things written by authors like Kahlil Gibran, all of a sudden I can bring a Libra Moon and a Libra Mars to cooperate with a Scorpio Sun, so that's what I'm doing when I'm relating all the parts and pieces in my rant. I can play the Libra role quite naturally, with less pretentiousness (lol most days). Also, I think I've picked up on a few Geminian habits in my lifetime, a sign naturally inclined toward making things somewhat analogous with each other.
Let's do the 'root for the loser' thing sooner rather than later, but not right now.
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Oops didn't see that it went through the first time, finally.
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What you don't realise Branh is by harping on about insecurities and deep rooted issues of others, you are actually portraying yourself as the most insecure individual on the whole board with this self-made brick wall around your inner feelings..Surely it is you who is trying to appear god-like with supposed knowledge of everything breathing?!..Mortals..plz..Everyone is secure within themselves..Just as you get trash of society, you get trash of the zodiac, don't tar us all with the same brush..
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Right Elliot..If I appear mysterious to others then surely they are at fault for thinking so..I am secretive and I have been told I am. So be it..But there is nothing mysterious about me as far as I am aware..I just tell it how it is..Although lately, I am beginning to establish an acceptable level of brutal honesty for the sake of mankind Winking
Sport is a fantastic way of relieving aggression, and I have lots of that..Anything fierce I am up for it..in fact I sometimes wish I had joined the army..
Wow Elliot, I like Kahlil Gibran too..I have sun, moon and mercury in Scorpio..Pluto in Libra..what does that mean? I am not sure..I don't give a shit..I am me..take me as I am or don't take me at all..I
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Lol Whenever I think Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Scorpio I think of Bjork lyrics.
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Bjorks a nutter!..lol
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Yes of course, you understand allll about what Earth signs can do for Scorpios, but you must not be seeing importance in that the balance involves Earth AND Water, not only an Earthly, logical take of everything. Scorpio penetrates the simple, Earthly, realism for very natural reason. Our human 'realism' is so limited to what we can see, can touch, and can be conscious of, and Scorpio is oriented toward the unconscious, it's simple like that. To rely on your own consciousness your whole life is to have your head stuck in a comfortable lie from birth to death, one that only our human 'realism' can form and shape. I believe that if ever Scorpios are seen as God-like, lol and somehow immortal figures as you say, it is because we are the very first sign to venture out into things that we don't understand, things that we fear, things that seem disastrous according to common 'consciousness'.
Those around us look at us and ask how or why. This can get Scorps into a lot of trouble, yes, but of course there is good and bad to it, because as much positivity comes out of it as negativity. Do you understand this?
As time goes by, the mystique is unraveled (this is how it should be - conscious is meant to catch up, that's the whole reason for why we venture into the unknown in the first place) and people discover how Scorpios 'did it', but also as time moves forward new mysteries are seen and ventured into by the Scorpion. This is obviously the reason that Scorpios are the most mysterious sign. We are always the ones with propositions that venture beyond human understanding. So hate us for always moving beyond a sensible, logical, take of everything, but you must not fault the value of a Scorpio's suspicion of 'realism' and penetration into the 'untouchable'. Sure, Scorpios never reach a true 'Cloud 9', but the important thing is that people don't know what it is that we reach. That's the way it is going to be until every last thing is understood. Don't fault the Scorpio role. Scorpios are the same as everyone else, but our hallmark is intense strength through fear and the unknown. Without Scorpio there would be no change - everything would be form, logic, human simplicity.
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Didn't write it,it was a sites thing starsigns and forgot the link already lol
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Missmoral, you are probably the epitome of an insecure Scorp. You are the best example of someone who cultivates a bunch of fantasies to feed into your over-sentalitionalized self-image, but you'll moan and bitch when the euphoria fades. But then again, you don't sound like you have a good grasp of logic in the first place.
Yeah Branh..Well I will just logic to you..seeing as you have soooooo much of it!..and yes if you think I am insecure so be it..everyones entitled to their opinion.
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"but you'll moan and bitch when the euphoria fades" - have you ever heard me moan about a euphoria fading..because I don't recall having done so..
Your assuming again!
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