Police shoot and kill pregnant black mother of four who called them for help regarding a break in...
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Once again trigger happy police gun down a person of color... When will this end!!!
On Thursday, Seattle police released Lyles' 911 call and a video recording from her hallway, showing the 24 hours leading up to the shooting.
On Sunday, shortly before 9 a.m., Lyles called 911 to report a break-in and told the operator that her door was open and that "there's stuff missing," from her home. She told him that she had left about two to three hours ago and when she came back, the door was open.
The hallway video from her apartment showed Lyles leaving and entering, but didn't show anyone else going inside her unit.
Two police officers, identified as Steven McNew and Jason Anderson, responded to her call.
They arrived to her apartment knowing of a previous incident she had with police earlier in the month. She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
Three children were in the apartment at the time of the shooting, police said.
"When we call police for help, we expect protection. We expect safety. It was their responsibility to protect her and they didn't," James Bible, an attorney representing family members of Lyles, told CNN affiliate KIRO.
Both officers were equipped with less lethal force options, police said.
McNew and Anderson are currently on paid administrative leave while the shooting is under investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/seattle-police-shooting-charleena-lyles-protest/index.html
On Thursday, Seattle police released Lyles' 911 call and a video recording from her hallway, showing the 24 hours leading up to the shooting.
On Sunday, shortly before 9 a.m., Lyles called 911 to report a break-in and told the operator that her door was open and that "there's stuff missing," from her home. She told him that she had left about two to three hours ago and when she came back, the door was open.
The hallway video from her apartment showed Lyles leaving and entering, but didn't show anyone else going inside her unit.
Two police officers, identified as Steven McNew and Jason Anderson, responded to her call.
They arrived to her apartment knowing of a previous incident she had with police earlier in the month. She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
Three children were in the apartment at the time of the shooting, police said.
"When we call police for help, we expect protection. We expect safety. It was their responsibility to protect her and they didn't," James Bible, an attorney representing family members of Lyles, told CNN affiliate KIRO.
Both officers were equipped with less lethal force options, police said.
McNew and Anderson are currently on paid administrative leave while the shooting is under investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/seattle-police-shooting-charleena-lyles-protest/index.html
Posted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Fake news.
Posted by DamnataRead again hun.Posted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.click to expand
The incident with the shears was a separate incident entirely.
She called the police to investigate a possible break in. They gunned her down presumably in front of her kids. And of course the police body cam footage is missing from the released footage by the police.
Posted by Lala1393She's not American, hence the ignorance.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?click to expand
Posted by LadyNeptuneI read it well hun.Posted by DamnataRead again hun.Posted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
The incident with the shears was a separate incident entirely.
She called the police to investigate a possible break in. They gunned her down presumably in front of her kids. And of course the police body cam footage is missing from the released footage by the police.click to expand
You read again what I said.
Presumably is a good word to use because you don't even have the full details yet time to be outraged.
Posted by Lala1393I'm not American.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?click to expand
You don't know what happened, neither do I. All we know is officers tell her to back away repeatedly. We don't know how she was advancing and this is someone who advanced with metal shears before so ...what if she had a gun? But we don't know.
Not a country riot because despite proof to the contrary...majority of people in the world are still sane and have common sense.
No? Don't know what killings you are on about. Also not up for me to excuse since there are avenues for that, aka investigations into it.
According to the article, she confronted the police officers with two knives .... I'm not talking about before with the shears.
I'm talking at the time she was shot .... she advanced on the cops with knives.
It's sad when a person loses their life .. but, life would be worse without being policed.
she shouldn't have confronted cops with knives. had she practiced being sensible, then she'd probably still be alive today
I'm talking at the time she was shot .... she advanced on the cops with knives.
It's sad when a person loses their life .. but, life would be worse without being policed.
she shouldn't have confronted cops with knives. had she practiced being sensible, then she'd probably still be alive today
Posted by DamnataThe kids were in the apartment with her. All that is uncertain is if they were in the same room when she was shot.Posted by LadyNeptuneI read it well hun.Posted by DamnataRead again hun.Posted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
The incident with the shears was a separate incident entirely.
She called the police to investigate a possible break in. They gunned her down presumably in front of her kids. And of course the police body cam footage is missing from the released footage by the police.
You read again what I said.
Presumably is a good word to use because you don't even have the full details yet time to be outraged.click to expand
Either way it is disgusting that a pregnant female was shot in cold blood by the police.
When are people going to stop defending these scum??
Posted by DamnataI totally agree with you and need the facts before I make assumptions. If police are shooting without a good reason then yes, outrage is warranted - but give me the real story here first. This is all just "media hype" to me and should be banned completely. This type of thing alone is what is causing disparity in our country.Posted by Lala1393I'm not American.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?
You don't know what happened, neither do I. All we know is officers tell her to back away repeatedly. We don't know how she was advancing and this is someone who advanced with metal shears before so ...what if she had a gun? But we don't know.
Not a country riot because despite proof to the contrary...majority of people in the world are still sane and have common sense.
No? Don't know what killings you are on about. Also not up for me to excuse since there are avenues for that, aka investigations into it.click to expand
Posted by WarAngel1According to the press release that the cops put out they both were equipped with 'less lethal force options'. 0 excuses for this fuckery.Posted by LadyNeptuneI believe when the story first broke, one cop told the other to use a taser, but neither had one available. I'm willing to wait and see how this fleshes out before I give judgement.
Once again trigger happy police gun down a person of color... When will this end!!!
On Thursday, Seattle police released Lyles' 911 call and a video recording from her hallway, showing the 24 hours leading up to the shooting.
On Sunday, shortly before 9 a.m., Lyles called 911 to report a break-in and told the operator that her door was open and that "there's stuff missing," from her home. She told him that she had left about two to three hours ago and when she came back, the door was open.
The hallway video from her apartment showed Lyles leaving and entering, but didn't show anyone else going inside her unit.
Two police officers, identified as Steven McNew and Jason Anderson, responded to her call.
They arrived to her apartment knowing of a previous incident she had with police earlier in the month. She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
Three children were in the apartment at the time of the shooting, police said.
"When we call police for help, we expect protection. We expect safety. It was their responsibility to protect her and they didn't," James Bible, an attorney representing family members of Lyles, told CNN affiliate KIRO.
Both officers were equipped with less lethal force options, police said.
McNew and Anderson are currently on paid administrative leave while the shooting is under investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/seattle-police-shooting-charleena-lyles-protest/index.htmlclick to expand
Posted by tctaPeople love having their emotions riled up. No thought of long term picture on it as long as they get to feel the adrenaline.Posted by DamnataI totally agree with you and need the facts before I make assumptions. If police are shooting without a good reason then yes, outrage is warranted - but give me the real story here first. This is all just "media hype" to me and should be banned completely. This type of thing alone is what is causing disparity in our country.Posted by Lala1393I'm not American.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?
You don't know what happened, neither do I. All we know is officers tell her to back away repeatedly. We don't know how she was advancing and this is someone who advanced with metal shears before so ...what if she had a gun? But we don't know.
Not a country riot because despite proof to the contrary...majority of people in the world are still sane and have common sense.
No? Don't know what killings you are on about. Also not up for me to excuse since there are avenues for that, aka investigations into it.click to expand
Not sure why they didn't just shoot her in the leg or something to stop her from advancing with a weapon - there was no reason to kill her if she could be stopped. Now there are 2 dead and 4 children homeless.
Posted by Damnatathis need to stress and dramatize everything and get riled up is ludicrous and not conducive to helping to get this sort of thing under some sort of control in order to move forward as one in this countryPosted by tctaPeople love having their emotions riled up. No thought of long term picture on it as long as they get to feel the adrenaline.Posted by DamnataI totally agree with you and need the facts before I make assumptions. If police are shooting without a good reason then yes, outrage is warranted - but give me the real story here first. This is all just "media hype" to me and should be banned completely. This type of thing alone is what is causing disparity in our country.Posted by Lala1393I'm not American.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?
You don't know what happened, neither do I. All we know is officers tell her to back away repeatedly. We don't know how she was advancing and this is someone who advanced with metal shears before so ...what if she had a gun? But we don't know.
Not a country riot because despite proof to the contrary...majority of people in the world are still sane and have common sense.
No? Don't know what killings you are on about. Also not up for me to excuse since there are avenues for that, aka investigations into it.click to expand
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Posted by CheVirgothis world is so sick - everyone was born with a soul and everyone deserves to be equal
History proves different when it come to police and blacks in the U.S.A. I been around the world, Israel treats blacks very bad, some eastern European countries treats black people bad The U.K has a lot of subliminal racism that goes on. If you go to India the light skinned Indian treat most Dravidians which are usually darker than other Indians. I only talk about thing I witness.
If she was white this would've never happend. Js.
Posted by tctaStop her from what though???!!!
Not sure why they didn't just shoot her in the leg or something to stop her from advancing with a weapon - there was no reason to kill her if she could be stopped. Now there are 2 dead and 4 children homeless.
SHE called them for HELP. Instead they shot her dead.
Posted by CheVirgotrue that as well - idiocy and I hope they pay for their stuipidityPosted by tctalol why shoot, Asses the situation. Two cops can't handle a pregnant woman with 4 kids with out force?
Not sure why they didn't just shoot her in the leg or something to stop her from advancing with a weapon - there was no reason to kill her if she could be stopped. Now there are 2 dead and 4 children homeless.click to expand
she might have some sort of mental imbalance - not sure why she was even doing that but you are right
They shot 5 times. 5 TIMES.
I can't wrap my head around this.
I can't wrap my head around this.
Posted by LadyNeptuneHave you seen 12 angry men?
0 excuses for this fuckery.
Watch it. Might give you perspective on making such a strong statement without proof, because you're only feeling reactive.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic btw. Really good movie.
Posted by CheVirgoI know - I hate it allPosted by tctaThey won't Philandro Castro is a prime example of that. Emmit Teal a 14 year old black boy was murdered for whistling at a white woman and the lady came out and said she lied but nothing happened. It's easy to put black and brown people as savages when you look on T.V thats all you see. The media in America does the same type of brainwashing that in North Korea.Posted by CheVirgotrue that as well - idiocy and I hope they pay for their stuipidityPosted by tctalol why shoot, Asses the situation. Two cops can't handle a pregnant woman with 4 kids with out force?
Not sure why they didn't just shoot her in the leg or something to stop her from advancing with a weapon - there was no reason to kill her if she could be stopped. Now there are 2 dead and 4 children homeless.
she might have some sort of mental imbalance - not sure why she was even doing that but you are rightclick to expand
If you advance on a cop with a knife, expect to be shot.
Posted by DamnataMovie does not = real life.Posted by LadyNeptuneHave you seen 12 angry men?
0 excuses for this fuckery.
Watch it. Might give you perspective on making such a strong statement without proof, because you're only feeling reactive.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic btw. Really good movie.click to expand
Black people, men women and kids are being gun down without reason in my country.
A white terrorist can walk into a church and gun down people and be taken alive by the cops. They'll even stop at burger king to feed him on the way to booking him. But an unresistant black man will be shot in the back.
Stop making excuses for murderers.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeexactly. this isn't an issue of cops following protocol or fearing for their lives. this is racism plan and simple.Posted by Damnatathis would have never happened to a white woman.Posted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
months ago two white men escaped prison and went on a murdering and robbery spree, they were taken without any harm-it was all over the LOCAL NEWS
they could have pepper sprayed her or tazed her
you just have no understanding of the dynamics being played out here
so i would suggest you shut your romanian racist azz up
cause you know nothing of Amerikkka and our problems.click to expand
Posted by TheTinManPeople can't read.
why the fuck was she threatening the officers for? what was her reasoning for her with knives? she should know these crooked cops gone shoot her thinking their lives in danger. if that theory is true she the one had that coming.
The incident with the pruning shears is completely separate incidents. She called the cops for help. They shot her dead with her kids in the house.
Posted by TheLibraMudraYes she had a history of mental illness. Thats part of the reason she was released for the shears incident.
This happened in my area.
Mixed emotions. Yea, they didnt need to shoot her dead. Yea, she was crazy. The kids suffer the most.
Posted by CheVirgoand they are dick hicks and these are the only jobs they can do with their limited ability for education
Most cops in America have Irish and Italian heritage. Let that sink in.
Posted by WarAngel1She wasn't armed. The shears incident happened on the 5th. Read more carefully.Posted by LadyNeptuneA known crazy lady (with a weird history) coming at me with some kind of weapon is going to get two in the chest. If the investigation proves one or both are in the wrong, hang'em. Not enough information yet to get a full picture.Posted by WarAngel1According to the press release that the cops put out they both were equipped with 'less lethal force options'. 0 excuses for this fuckery.Posted by LadyNeptuneI believe when the story first broke, one cop told the other to use a taser, but neither had one available. I'm willing to wait and see how this fleshes out before I give judgement.
Once again trigger happy police gun down a person of color... When will this end!!!
On Thursday, Seattle police released Lyles' 911 call and a video recording from her hallway, showing the 24 hours leading up to the shooting.
On Sunday, shortly before 9 a.m., Lyles called 911 to report a break-in and told the operator that her door was open and that "there's stuff missing," from her home. She told him that she had left about two to three hours ago and when she came back, the door was open.
The hallway video from her apartment showed Lyles leaving and entering, but didn't show anyone else going inside her unit.
Two police officers, identified as Steven McNew and Jason Anderson, responded to her call.
They arrived to her apartment knowing of a previous incident she had with police earlier in the month. She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
Three children were in the apartment at the time of the shooting, police said.
"When we call police for help, we expect protection. We expect safety. It was their responsibility to protect her and they didn't," James Bible, an attorney representing family members of Lyles, told CNN affiliate KIRO.
Both officers were equipped with less lethal force options, police said.
McNew and Anderson are currently on paid administrative leave while the shooting is under investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/seattle-police-shooting-charleena-lyles-protest/index.html
Pregnant women are dangerous too sometimes. Time will tell.click to expand
Shooting an unarmed pregnant woman 5 times in front of her children is justified to you?? I can't think of any scenario that makes that justified...
She called them for HELP. They shot her dead. Where is the grey area here???!!!
Posted by TheTinManRead the op. Until then shut up.Posted by LadyNeptunemy question is why they shot her? did she advance them with knives? look I'm just going by what I'm reading from p Angel. I know she probably wrong and probably assuming that's what you or the press said. for now that's the only information there is to go by until I click on that link and read the whole story.Posted by TheTinManPeople can't read.
why the fuck was she threatening the officers for? what was her reasoning for her with knives? she should know these crooked cops gone shoot her thinking their lives in danger. if that theory is true she the one had that coming.
The incident with the pruning shears is completely separate incidents. She called the cops for help. They shot her dead with her kids in the house.click to expand
Posted by DamnataIt has nothing to do with being emotional or outraged for the sake of being emotional or outraged.Posted by tctaPeople love having their emotions riled up. No thought of long term picture on it as long as they get to feel the adrenaline.Posted by DamnataI totally agree with you and need the facts before I make assumptions. If police are shooting without a good reason then yes, outrage is warranted - but give me the real story here first. This is all just "media hype" to me and should be banned completely. This type of thing alone is what is causing disparity in our country.Posted by Lala1393I'm not American.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?
You don't know what happened, neither do I. All we know is officers tell her to back away repeatedly. We don't know how she was advancing and this is someone who advanced with metal shears before so ...what if she had a gun? But we don't know.
Not a country riot because despite proof to the contrary...majority of people in the world are still sane and have common sense.
No? Don't know what killings you are on about. Also not up for me to excuse since there are avenues for that, aka investigations into it.click to expand
It's a matter of distributive justice.
Or you can think of it has a matter of Kantian ethics.
Disenfranchised populations ( african american men , women , latino/a , poor whites , homeless people of all colors ) are inequitably punished and killed more than middle class to upper class white men and women
in the US.
And it's not an issue of speculation...there are so many of now recorded counts of unarmed people being killed and moreover fabrications/cover ups by police department members to dismiss any wrongdoing on their end.
We need to start asking why cops who are trained to handle high stress situations, trained to only respond with lethal force if there are no other options...are shooting and killing American citizens who are minimal threats or even not resisting and cooperating.
This is sickening.
This is sickening.
Posted by CheVirgo
People have no heart towards blacks but let France get attacked by a so called terrorist the world goes crazy. Let 2000 African girls go missing the world is quiet, let boko haram kill million of africans in terror attacks, the world don't care. "If your are black stay the fuck back if you are brown keep your ass down " thats the new slogan.
the sad reality is even when doing this you can still be killed.
Posted by LadyNeptuneI strive for sanity and truth and not going off on surface value....which is where our ways sadly part. You just want to react blindly. No valve for strong statements which should exist since you weren't there nor do you have the full details. But you probably know all because .....feelings and assumptions.Posted by DamnataMovie does not = real life.Posted by LadyNeptuneHave you seen 12 angry men?
0 excuses for this fuckery.
Watch it. Might give you perspective on making such a strong statement without proof, because you're only feeling reactive.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic btw. Really good movie.
Black people, men women and kids are being gun down without reason in my country.
A white terrorist can walk into a church and gun down people and be taken alive by the cops. They'll even stop at burger king to feed him on the way to booking him. But an unresistant black man will be shot in the back.
Stop making excuses for murderers.click to expand
I really hope some of you are never put on jury duty.
Posted by CheVirgoPeople can be racist all they want.Posted by tctaWhen I was in the military I had an Irish racist chief who told my Tibetan friend " I hope you don't eat spiders I know how you asian motherfuckers are ". I know for a fact white peole use the word nigger 10 times more than black people in public or private. It's just the way they are and wonder why some blacks or Spanish people are not attracted to them or keep their distance from them.Posted by CheVirgoand they are dick hicks and these are the only jobs they can do with their limited ability for education
Most cops in America have Irish and Italian heritage. Let that sink in.click to expand
Its when Cops whose salaries are paid by tax payers start slaughtering people of color without provocation is when we have a problem.
And the system protects them. The two officers are on paid leave (aka vacation) while this is investigated. The police are withholding the body cam footage...
No justice will be served.
Posted by P-Angelyeah which is why it seems very illogical that one would do that
If you advance on a cop with a knife, expect to be shot.
unless they were purposefully trying to kill themselves.
so let that sink in.
Posted by AdreamuponwakingIt is an issue of speculation if full details have not been provided and the investigation is under way.Posted by DamnataIt has nothing to do with being emotional or outraged for the sake of being emotional or outraged.Posted by tctaPeople love having their emotions riled up. No thought of long term picture on it as long as they get to feel the adrenaline.Posted by DamnataI totally agree with you and need the facts before I make assumptions. If police are shooting without a good reason then yes, outrage is warranted - but give me the real story here first. This is all just "media hype" to me and should be banned completely. This type of thing alone is what is causing disparity in our country.Posted by Lala1393I'm not American.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?
You don't know what happened, neither do I. All we know is officers tell her to back away repeatedly. We don't know how she was advancing and this is someone who advanced with metal shears before so ...what if she had a gun? But we don't know.
Not a country riot because despite proof to the contrary...majority of people in the world are still sane and have common sense.
No? Don't know what killings you are on about. Also not up for me to excuse since there are avenues for that, aka investigations into it.
It's a matter of distributive justice.
Or you can think of it has a matter of Kantian ethics.
Disenfranchised populations ( african american men , women , latino/a , poor whites , homeless people of all colors ) are inequitably punished and killed more than middle class to upper class white men and women
in the US.
And it's not an issue of speculation...there are so many of now recorded counts of unarmed people being killed and moreover fabrications/cover ups by police department members to dismiss any wrongdoing on their end.click to expand
Speculation is literally all it is.
I don't know why that isn't clear but stating the obvious gets boring.
Posted by CheVirgooh to live in a world with no ignorance - now that is just a dream ...Posted by tctaWhen I was in the military I had an Irish racist chief who told my Tibetan friend " I hope you don't eat spiders I know how you asian motherfuckers are ". I know for a fact white peole use the word nigger 10 times more than black people in public or private. It's just the way they are and wonder why some blacks or Spanish people are not attracted to them or keep their distance from them.Posted by CheVirgoand they are dick hicks and these are the only jobs they can do with their limited ability for education
Most cops in America have Irish and Italian heritage. Let that sink in.click to expand
Posted by DamnataStop talking to me. This has nothing to do with you.Posted by LadyNeptuneI strive for sanity and truth and not going off on surface value....which is where our ways sadly part. You just want to react blindly. No valve for strong statements which should exist since you weren't there nor do you have the full details. But you probably know all because .....feelings and assumptions.Posted by DamnataMovie does not = real life.Posted by LadyNeptuneHave you seen 12 angry men?
0 excuses for this fuckery.
Watch it. Might give you perspective on making such a strong statement without proof, because you're only feeling reactive.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic btw. Really good movie.
Black people, men women and kids are being gun down without reason in my country.
A white terrorist can walk into a church and gun down people and be taken alive by the cops. They'll even stop at burger king to feed him on the way to booking him. But an unresistant black man will be shot in the back.
Stop making excuses for murderers.
I really hope some of you are never put on jury duty.click to expand
Go back to watching movies.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeThe conservative right is all for preservation of life until it comes to color. Wheres the outrage for her unborn child??Posted by LadyNeptuneblack skin is hated so much that one can't find empathy for a small woman who can barely harm someone let alone protect herself.Posted by WarAngel1She wasn't armed. The shears incident happened on the 5th. Read more carefully.Posted by LadyNeptuneA known crazy lady (with a weird history) coming at me with some kind of weapon is going to get two in the chest. If the investigation proves one or both are in the wrong, hang'em. Not enough information yet to get a full picture.Posted by WarAngel1According to the press release that the cops put out they both were equipped with 'less lethal force options'. 0 excuses for this fuckery.Posted by LadyNeptuneI believe when the story first broke, one cop told the other to use a taser, but neither had one available. I'm willing to wait and see how this fleshes out before I give judgement.
Once again trigger happy police gun down a person of color... When will this end!!!
On Thursday, Seattle police released Lyles' 911 call and a video recording from her hallway, showing the 24 hours leading up to the shooting.
On Sunday, shortly before 9 a.m., Lyles called 911 to report a break-in and told the operator that her door was open and that "there's stuff missing," from her home. She told him that she had left about two to three hours ago and when she came back, the door was open.
The hallway video from her apartment showed Lyles leaving and entering, but didn't show anyone else going inside her unit.
Two police officers, identified as Steven McNew and Jason Anderson, responded to her call.
They arrived to her apartment knowing of a previous incident she had with police earlier in the month. She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
Three children were in the apartment at the time of the shooting, police said.
"When we call police for help, we expect protection. We expect safety. It was their responsibility to protect her and they didn't," James Bible, an attorney representing family members of Lyles, told CNN affiliate KIRO.
Both officers were equipped with less lethal force options, police said.
McNew and Anderson are currently on paid administrative leave while the shooting is under investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/seattle-police-shooting-charleena-lyles-protest/index.html
Pregnant women are dangerous too sometimes. Time will tell.
Shooting an unarmed pregnant woman 5 times in front of her children is justified to you?? I can't think of any scenario that makes that justified...
She called them for HELP. They shot her dead. Where is the grey area here???!!!
This just shows me hwo people really are and warangel disgusts me
i love these threads cause it exposes people i don't want to ever surround myself withclick to expand
Posted by LadyNeptuneYou made a topic and if you can't take replies then either ignore or not make a topic.Posted by DamnataStop talking to me. This has nothing to do with you.Posted by LadyNeptuneI strive for sanity and truth and not going off on surface value....which is where our ways sadly part. You just want to react blindly. No valve for strong statements which should exist since you weren't there nor do you have the full details. But you probably know all because .....feelings and assumptions.Posted by DamnataMovie does not = real life.Posted by LadyNeptuneHave you seen 12 angry men?
0 excuses for this fuckery.
Watch it. Might give you perspective on making such a strong statement without proof, because you're only feeling reactive.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic btw. Really good movie.
Black people, men women and kids are being gun down without reason in my country.
A white terrorist can walk into a church and gun down people and be taken alive by the cops. They'll even stop at burger king to feed him on the way to booking him. But an unresistant black man will be shot in the back.
Stop making excuses for murderers.
I really hope some of you are never put on jury duty.
Go back to watching movies.click to expand
You don't get to police people on what they can post or not. Got it? Good.
Keep spiraling in emotional throes. I'd think you'd thank me for offending you further since you enjoy that feeling so much. No gratitude, man.
Posted by DamnataHave you watched Fruitvale?Posted by LadyNeptuneHave you seen 12 angry men?
0 excuses for this fuckery.
Watch it. Might give you perspective on making such a strong statement without proof, because you're only feeling reactive.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic btw. Really good movie.click to expand
Do you know who oscar grant or treyvon martin is?
or alex nieto?
or Tamir rice?
Posted by AdreamuponwakingYep.Posted by DamnataHave you watched Fruitvale?Posted by LadyNeptuneHave you seen 12 angry men?
0 excuses for this fuckery.
Watch it. Might give you perspective on making such a strong statement without proof, because you're only feeling reactive.
I'm not being facetious or sarcastic btw. Really good movie.
Do you know who oscar grant or treyvon martin is?
or alex nieto?
or Tamir rice?click to expand
Were they in that apartment? I missed that in the article let me go look again.
(do you realize how ridiculous you are because you can't take it on a case by case basis or has it yet to dawn on you?)
Posted by WarAngel1Oh like the officer who shot Philandro Castille was found not guilty?? A jury found him not guilty. How? It boggles the mind.Posted by LadyNeptuneI did read what you've posted. My point is: give it some more time. Humans don't start pulling out of a room with a gun drawn unless they are hesitating to shoot as much as possible.Posted by WarAngel1She wasn't armed. The shears incident happened on the 5th. Read more carefully.Posted by LadyNeptuneA known crazy lady (with a weird history) coming at me with some kind of weapon is going to get two in the chest. If the investigation proves one or both are in the wrong, hang'em. Not enough information yet to get a full picture.Posted by WarAngel1According to the press release that the cops put out they both were equipped with 'less lethal force options'. 0 excuses for this fuckery.Posted by LadyNeptuneI believe when the story first broke, one cop told the other to use a taser, but neither had one available. I'm willing to wait and see how this fleshes out before I give judgement.
Once again trigger happy police gun down a person of color... When will this end!!!
On Thursday, Seattle police released Lyles' 911 call and a video recording from her hallway, showing the 24 hours leading up to the shooting.
On Sunday, shortly before 9 a.m., Lyles called 911 to report a break-in and told the operator that her door was open and that "there's stuff missing," from her home. She told him that she had left about two to three hours ago and when she came back, the door was open.
The hallway video from her apartment showed Lyles leaving and entering, but didn't show anyone else going inside her unit.
Two police officers, identified as Steven McNew and Jason Anderson, responded to her call.
They arrived to her apartment knowing of a previous incident she had with police earlier in the month. She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
Three children were in the apartment at the time of the shooting, police said.
"When we call police for help, we expect protection. We expect safety. It was their responsibility to protect her and they didn't," James Bible, an attorney representing family members of Lyles, told CNN affiliate KIRO.
Both officers were equipped with less lethal force options, police said.
McNew and Anderson are currently on paid administrative leave while the shooting is under investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/seattle-police-shooting-charleena-lyles-protest/index.html
Pregnant women are dangerous too sometimes. Time will tell.
Shooting an unarmed pregnant woman 5 times in front of her children is justified to you?? I can't think of any scenario that makes that justified...
She called them for HELP. They shot her dead. Where is the grey area here???!!!
She did call for help, but things quickly went downhill and here we are.
If it is found out that they fucked up, they will be prosecuted. A jury will decide at that point.click to expand
Watch these videos. He is shot in cold blood. He is not resisting. And yet the officer is not guilty? On what planet.
And pay attention to Castiles gf. She is calm and respectful after just watching her bf shot and killed before her eyes. A black person shows more calm and presence of mind than the fucking police.
There is no justice here.
None.
Posted by TheTinManCops are know to yell out "stay back!" or "don't move" right before they waste a person of color. Watch the video I posted of above...same shit.Posted by LadyNeptuneok so they repeatedly told her to get back and they blasted her. it is totally fucked up what they did and no they had no f'ing right to do that. still besides the point tho. she should have just obeyed them and stayed put. but nooo she had to keep coming. but still doesn't give them the right to shoot her dead especially if she was unarmed. just goes to show that cops today are a bunch of pussies to shoot and kill an unarm pregnant woman. fucking pathetic.Posted by TheTinManRead the op. Until then shut up.Posted by LadyNeptunemy question is why they shot her? did she advance them with knives? look I'm just going by what I'm reading from p Angel. I know she probably wrong and probably assuming that's what you or the press said. for now that's the only information there is to go by until I click on that link and read the whole story.Posted by TheTinManPeople can't read.
why the fuck was she threatening the officers for? what was her reasoning for her with knives? she should know these crooked cops gone shoot her thinking their lives in danger. if that theory is true she the one had that coming.
The incident with the pruning shears is completely separate incidents. She called the cops for help. They shot her dead with her kids in the house.click to expand
Posted by DamnataPolice brutality is not a fictitious concept.Posted by AdreamuponwakingIt is an issue of speculation if full details have not been provided and the investigation is under way.Posted by DamnataIt has nothing to do with being emotional or outraged for the sake of being emotional or outraged.Posted by tctaPeople love having their emotions riled up. No thought of long term picture on it as long as they get to feel the adrenaline.Posted by DamnataI totally agree with you and need the facts before I make assumptions. If police are shooting without a good reason then yes, outrage is warranted - but give me the real story here first. This is all just "media hype" to me and should be banned completely. This type of thing alone is what is causing disparity in our country.Posted by Lala1393I'm not American.Posted by DamnataPosted by LadyNeptuneSo..she harasses police with metal shears...then at the time of the shooting officers are heard saying "get back" which means she was advancing...
She had been arrested and charged with obstruction of a public officer and harassment of a law enforcement officer on June 5. That police report described Lyles as having "armed herself with a pair of extra long metal shears" and that she had been "threatening the officers." She was released conditionally June 14.
The encounter between the officers and Lyles started calmly as heard in an audio recording. But it suddenly escalated with the officers saying "get back" repeatedly. Shots were heard in the audio.
...we still don't get the full details of the case but time to assume and be outraged.
I agree..it has to stop. And by "it" I mean unfounded outrage by the public. It's embarrassing to not use mental faculties and be driven by passion.
Sorry but in my country, that is NOT a valid reason to kill a woman and her baby.
What the hell is wrong with you americans that you even find this ok ?
Why is there not a country riot ?
Are you really excusing all these killings ?
You don't know what happened, neither do I. All we know is officers tell her to back away repeatedly. We don't know how she was advancing and this is someone who advanced with metal shears before so ...what if she had a gun? But we don't know.
Not a country riot because despite proof to the contrary...majority of people in the world are still sane and have common sense.
No? Don't know what killings you are on about. Also not up for me to excuse since there are avenues for that, aka investigations into it.
It's a matter of distributive justice.
Or you can think of it has a matter of Kantian ethics.
Disenfranchised populations ( african american men , women , latino/a , poor whites , homeless people of all colors ) are inequitably punished and killed more than middle class to upper class white men and women
in the US.
And it's not an issue of speculation...there are so many of now recorded counts of unarmed people being killed and moreover fabrications/cover ups by police department members to dismiss any wrongdoing on their end.
Speculation is literally all it is.
I don't know why that isn't clear but stating the obvious gets boring.click to expand
Even in the event she had a knife
do you think she really posed a threat to multiple officers with their guns drawn that were more than an arms length away?
Did she really need to be shot at all? ..but especially 5 times?
Use your brain.
Lack of critical thinking is boring.
He couldn't be more unresistant. Still shot.
Another example of a black man shot and killed in cold blood. He was not resisting.
Listen to them talking in the helicopter. They know nothing about this dude other than he is a large black man and yet they are saying "he looks like a bad dude".
Listen to them talking in the helicopter. They know nothing about this dude other than he is a large black man and yet they are saying "he looks like a bad dude".
Posted by CheVirgoExactly my point.
Dylan Roof killed 9 black people and got Burger King after that saying good job young man, keep them negroes in place.
Violent white criminals are more times than not taken alive. But a pregnant black woman who calls the police for help is shot dead.
Posted by AdreamuponwakingLMAO.
Use your brain.
Lack of critical thinking is boring.
Alright, I'll go do that.
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